Players that do well against specific teams (1 Viewer)

[sholditch]

Who are the players out there that have rivalries against other teams that typically perform above their average when playing them.

examples from the past:

TO against the Niners (now the Eagles?)

Favre against the Bears (before last season)

I think if we populate this list it could be a useful WDIS reference when picking between two similar players. Also could be a good FBG article but I prolly don't have the time or resources to compile it all.

I'll compile a list here and try to update it regularly:

Arrington should play well against WAS

McGahee has torched the Jets in the past

LT against the Raiders

Brady vs. the Colts

Tony G against SD (mine: 04—104, 115; 05—97, 59)

Dom D against Indy (28-98-1 1-17-0; 23-128-1 6-73-0; 31-98-2 7-54-0; 20-99-2 6-35-0; 25-109-2 7-27-0)

Edge against TEN and HOU (mine: gamelogs)

Westy vs. NYG (see below for stats)

Tiki vs. PHI

CJ vs. BAL (mine: 99, 161 & 2, 91, 88 & 1)

Thomas Jones vs. DET and GB

Rod Smith vs. PATs (I'd add KC here too)

Kennison vs. DEN (from other forum, and this one, so two diff forums came up with this)

Foster vs. ATL (echoed in other thread)

Favre vs MIN

Driver vs. MIN (from other thread)

THous vs. BAL

Carr vs JAX (for him at least)

Marty Booker vs. NE

 

[houndirish]

I'm not high on Lavar Arrington as a NY Giant but I feel particularly confident that he'll have 2 very good games against his former employers. Just my

 

[Winning IS Everything]

Just off the top of my head as a McGahee owner in a dynasty league, McGahee torches the Jets each time he faces them. Then again, many RB's do the same against the Jets.

Edit to add his last three against the Jets (the 4th he was backup to Henry and only had 9 carries):

29-143-1 3-24-0

22-123-0 2-22-0

37-132-1 2-11-0

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

LT against the Raiders. Actually LT vs everyone so that is not out of the ordinary, but the Raider game he seems to really get up for.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Tom Brady vs. the Colts

 

[Winning IS Everything]

Here is a surprising one in my mind. Here are a certain RB's stats against the Colts the last few years.

28-98-1 1-17-0

23-128-1 6-73-0

31-98-2 7-54-0

20-99-2 6-35-0

25-109-2 7-27-0

The name of that RB? DOMANICK DAVIS! He is a historical must start against Indy.

 

[Demian]

Westbrook seems to do really well vs. the Giants:

RSH   YD  |  RECYD | TD15    67  |    11  |  1  9     48  |    60  |  317   119  |    42  |  018    74  |    53  |  216    66  |    57  |  0

 

[Polish Hammer]

Don't have time to dig up the stats, but as a counterpoint to Westbrook being effective against the Giants, it seems my beloved Eagles can never stop Tiki Barber.

He rushed for over 100 yards in 5 of his last 6 regular season games against PHI. He also caught 21 passes for 229 yards.

The Eagles' only saving grace is they have limited him to 3 TDs in that span.

 

[sholditch]

bump

 

[thesurfshop19]

Rod Smith generally performs well against the Patriots:

1997 week 6 - 5/130/0 (13 pts)

1998 week 1 - 6/57/0 (5 pts)

1999 week 7 - 3/44/1 (10 pts)

2000 week 5 - 13/160/0 (16 pts)

2001 week 7 - 6/159/1 (21 pts)

2002 week 8 - 7/54/0 (5 pts)

2003 week 9 - 4/58/0 (5 pts)

2005 week 6 - 6/123/1 (18 pts)

2005 afc div - 6/96/1 (15 pts)

Averages - 6.2/98/0.4 (12 pts)

That's above his average regular season clip (since 1997) of 5.5/74/0.4.

Not a killer difference, although Belichick has called him a Patriot-killer.

 

[Winning IS Everything]

Thomas Jones has had a good two year stretch against two teams:

Detroit

22-72-0 3-25-0

20-139-2 2-19-0

22-109-0 4-34-0

21-67-2 6-38-0

Green Bay

25-105-1 1-1-0

19-93-0 0-0-0

26-108-2 3-4-0

23-152-1 1-7-0

Not all pro numbers, but I am leaving out the obvious names like LT, LJ, Alexander etc as they will be in lineups regardless.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

I'm not high on Lavar Arrington as a NY Giant but I feel particularly confident that he'll have 2 very good games against his former employers. Just my

Personally, I think Joe Gibbs & co. will know just how to exploit his overpursuit, get him out of position and take advantage of it.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

Thomas Jones has had a good two year stretch against two teams:

Detroit

22-72-0 3-25-0

20-139-2 2-19-0

22-109-0 4-34-0

21-67-2 6-38-0

Green Bay

25-105-1 1-1-0

19-93-0 0-0-0

26-108-2 3-4-0

23-152-1 1-7-0

Not all pro numbers, but I am leaving out the obvious names like LT, LJ, Alexander etc as they will be in lineups regardless.

Aren't those pretty normal numbers for those defenses to give up? (j/k )

 

[Winning IS Everything]

Thomas Jones has had a good two year stretch against two teams:

Detroit

22-72-0    3-25-0

20-139-2  2-19-0

22-109-0  4-34-0

21-67-2  6-38-0

Green Bay

25-105-1  1-1-0

19-93-0  0-0-0

26-108-2  3-4-0

23-152-1  1-7-0

Not all pro numbers, but I am leaving out the obvious names like LT, LJ, Alexander etc as they will be in lineups regardless.

Aren't those pretty normal numbers for those defenses to give up? (j/k )

LOL I know what you mean. That is like my McGahee vs. the Jets stats above.

 

[The Jacket]

Eddie Kennison is putting together a nice run against his former team, the Denver Broncos.

3 83 | 1

6 101 | 0

7 101 | 2

8 112 | 0

4 108 | 0

As always, however, the touchdowns are going to non-WRs.

 

[sholditch]

As long asd a player is consistently outperforming his per game average against a specific team, throw it up there, no matter how crappy the teams may be. All we're looking for is maximum value from a start.

 

[DawnBTVS]

Brett Favre vs. Minnesota

8 games (2002-2005)

187/285 (66%) for 2,095 yards with 19 TD vs. 12 INT.

Average: 23/36 (64%) for 262 yards with 2 TD vs. 1 or 2 INT. Comes out to 19.48 FPPG (1/25, 6 for TD, -3 for 1 INT) or 16.48 (1/25, 6 for TD, -3 for 2 INT).

 

[Captain Spaulding]

Excellent topic guys! Keep digging stuff up. Great for figuring out what weeks to start #2 RB's (if you don't have a stud #2 but several lower tier RB's whom are tough to choose from week to week.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I'm not high on Lavar Arrington as a NY Giant but I feel particularly confident that he'll have 2 very good games against his former employers. Just my

Personally, I think Joe Gibbs & co. will know just how to exploit his overpursuit, get him out of position and take advantage of it.

That will put him on a small list with 31 other coaching staffs.

 

[purestrength]

DeShaun Foster had two very good games against Atlanta last year:

Week 13: 24/131/1 rushing, 3/49/1 receiving

Week 17: 18/165/1 rushing, 0/0/0 receiving

 

[sholditch]

If this gets long enough could we get this pinned. If we get enough contributions this could be very useful during the season, and it would be interesting to see how well these trends hold up in 06.

 

[videoguy505]

NOT Brady vs. the Dolphins.

 

[sholditch]

NOT Brady vs. the Dolphins.

That would make a good separate thread" players who consistently choke against certain teams. I'll leave that one up to you

 

[DawnBTVS]

Interesting to see how consistent Carr is against Jacksonville (despite being on the 'low' side).

TJ Houshmandzadeh

Baltimore Ravens

2003 Week 13: 4/35/1 (9.50 FP)

2004 Week 3: 7/116/0 (11.6 FP)

2004 Week 13: 10/171/1 (23.10 FP)

2005 Week 12: 9/147/1 (20.70 FP)

Marty Booker

New England Patriots

2004 Week 5: 7/123/0 (12.30 FP)

2004 Week 15: 4/35/0 (3.50 FP)

2005 Week 10: 5/102/0 (10.20 FP)

2005 Week 17: 7/86/1 (14.60 FP)

David Carr

Jacksonville Jaguars

2002 Week 8: 11/18 for 184 with 1 vs. 0 (13.36 FP)

2002 Week 11: 22/30 for 228 with 1 vs. 1 (12.12 FP)

2003 Week 4: 23/36 for 234 with 1 vs. 1 (12.36 FP)

2004 Week 8: 26/34 for 276 with 1 vs. 0 (17.04 FP)

2004 Week 16: 13/19 for 131 with 1 vs. 2 (5.24 FP)

2005 Week 9: 22/30 for 219 with 1 vs. 0 (14.76 FP)

2005 Week 16: 19/29 for 295 with 2 vs. 1 (20.80 FP)

 

[Doug Drinen]

Here is a raw data dump that might be of some use to those who think this kind of info might be useful. For what it's worth, I advise extreme caution in attributing any meaning to these kinds of splits. This won't enter my decsision-making process, even as a last tiebreaker.

But it's a fun database query. I computed every player's fantasy point average for all games from 2002--2005. Then I computed their average against each team and I found the player-team combinations with the largest difference. Minimum four games against the team.

On some of these, you'll notice that it's only a byproduct of the player's uneven playing time. For example, Thomas Jones shows up against Green Bay, Detroit, and Minnesota. That is largely because those are the teams the Bears play and Jones didn't start producing until he was a Bear. Jones' average against Minnesota, for instance, isn't much higher than his 2-year average. But it looks higher than his 4-year average because his Cards and Bucs years dilute the 4-year average.

I want to make sure I'm on record: this is strictly for fun and has no value whatsoever IMO.

[There used to be an enormo-table here. I took it out because it was unreasonably long. I put it here]

 

[David Yudkin]

Clinton Portis vs. kan

Overall: 60 games,  16.8 PPGvs. kan:  5 games,  31.0 PPG 2002  15     0 pass, 130 rush,  75 rec, 4 tot TDs 2002   7     0 pass,  70 rush,  14 rec, 1 tot TDs 2003  14     0 pass, 218 rush,  36 rec, 5 tot TDs 2003   5     0 pass, 141 rush,  79 rec, 1 tot TDs 2005   6     0 pass,  77 rush,  51 rec, 0 tot TDs

Doug posted the one that immediately came to mind.

 

[Doug Drinen]

And here is the flip side: players who have performed worse than their overall average against a particular team.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

And here is the flip side: players who have performed worse than their overall average against a particular team.

Drew Brees vs. den         Overall: 58 games,  16.2 PPGvs. den:  7 games,  10.1 PPG  2002  13   217 pass,   0 rush,   0 rec, 0 tot TDs  2002   5   235 pass,   7 rush,   0 rec, 1 tot TDs  2003   2   182 pass,   0 rush,   0 rec, 1 tot TDs  2004  13   106 pass,   2 rush,   0 rec, 0 tot TDs  2004   3   121 pass,  16 rush,  38 rec, 1 tot TDs  2005  17    68 pass,   0 rush,   0 rec, 0 tot TDs  2005   2   175 pass,   0 rush,   0 rec, 0 tot TDs

The Broncos' blitz has been very effective against the Chargers in recent years. Sapp and Lynch opine a bit on why that is here and here.

 

[sholditch]

I want to make sure I'm on record:  this is strictly for fun and has no value whatsoever IMO.

[There used to be an enormo-table here.  I took it out because it was unreasonably long.  I put it here]

Not even when trying to decide between two roughly equal players in WDIS decisions? I would never factor anything like this into a drafting decision. I read your article and I get the point, that it can look like it means something when it means nothing. But singling out a single team doesn't seem quite as random, plus you hear it discussed often that a certain player does really well against a certain defense.Here's an example of how this could be useful: I was in a league last year with a very shallow bench and a very active WW. I picked up Evans based on his potential but he put together a string of really bad games. The week before he played Miami I dropped him for JoeJ who was playing really well with Djax out. Had I had this info, I likely would have held on for one more game and reaped the rewards of his 3-TD explosion:

Lee Evans vs. mia

Overall: 31 games, 8.6 PPG

vs. mia: 4 games, 15.6 PPG

2004 13 0 pass, 0 rush, 110 rec, 2 tot TDs

2004 6 0 pass, 0 rush, 32 rec, 0 tot TDs

2005 13 0 pass, 0 rush, 117 rec, 3 tot TDs

2005 5 0 pass, 0 rush, 65 rec, 0 tot TDs

 

[MLBrandow]

I've got a great stat for you.

look up the past few years of WR2 v. NE.

You'll be amazed (unless you knew of it already).

 

[Chase Stuart]

I've got a great stat for you.

look up the past few years of WR2 v. NE.

You'll be amazed (unless you knew of it already).

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/wordpress/?p=73

+====== WR1 ======+====== WR2 ======+TM    YR  DIFF |   G   R  YD  TD |   G   R  YD  TD |nwe	2005	|	0.3	|	16	72	1165	13	|	15	66	1028	3	|hou	2005	|	-0.5	|	16	80	1108	11	|	14	66	992	5	|den	2005	|	-1.7	|	16	85	1250	4	|	16	82	928	6	|sfo	2005	|	-0.3	|	16	86	1387	7	|	16	69	912	6	|nyg	2005	|	3	|	14	73	1104	12	|	15	66	886	2	|was	2005	|	-5.7	|	14	51	720	2	|	14	61	851	6	|stl	2005	|	-0.8	|	15	74	1109	8	|	13	62	840	7	|car	2005	|	-0.2	|	15	75	957	7	|	16	64	832	3	|pit	2005	|	-1.8	|	16	69	969	3	|	14	54	764	2	|sdg	2005	|	-1.4	|	16	79	992	7	|	14	61	752	3	|ten	2005	|	-1.9	|	16	73	1003	10	|	15	51	747	10	|jax	2005	|	-2.2	|	14	60	786	6	|	13	50	737	5	|buf	2005	|	0.3	|	16	86	1270	6	|	13	47	693	2	|min	2005	|	-1.7	|	15	74	1023	6	|	16	55	638	6	|phi	2005	|	1.7	|	16	66	998	9	|	15	51	580	3	|kan	2005	|	3.8	|	16	85	1314	11	|	15	49	577	3	|cin	2005	|	1.4	|	16	78	1079	6	|	15	46	574	2	|mia	2005	|	4	|	16	82	1144	13	|	12	40	567	1	|bal	2005	|	-0.3	|	16	70	965	4	|	13	41	556	1	|tam	2005	|	-4.4	|	16	53	788	1	|	14	36	544	5	|nyj	2005	|	-3.1	|	16	54	647	3	|	16	43	527	5	|dal	2005	|	1.7	|	15	67	1141	8	|	14	35	504	3	|ind	2005	|	2.7	|	15	71	968	6	|	15	41	503	1	|cle	2005	|	0.3	|	13	67	869	5	|	16	46	496	4	|sea	2005	|	3.4	|	13	75	1077	8	|	13	46	473	4	|atl	2005	|	0.3	|	16	87	1058	5	|	16	39	468	1	|ari	2005	|	2.3	|	14	79	968	9	|	13	41	449	3	|oak	2005	|	0.6	|	15	69	993	5	|	12	28	441	2	|det	2005	|	1.1	|	16	69	982	6	|	15	39	416	2	|nor	2005	|	1.5	|	15	58	846	10	|	14	24	390	3	|gnb	2005	|	-3.1	|	15	44	528	5	|	13	24	378	4	|chi	2005	|	3.9	|	15	75	1140	8	|	12	30	305	0	|

 

[MLBrandow]

Yup.

While NE loves to habitually contain/shut down WR1s, they usually leave the WR2 to get the big plays.

Take a look at some games from the last few years, I remember in '04 like half the WR2s that played them had their best games of the season against NE.

In other words, despite being one of the best defenses in the league over the past few years at doing what they do, they are also the easiest against the WR2, which is very handy around midseason when those bye-week blues swing in.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Yup.

While NE loves to habitually contain/shut down WR1s, they usually leave the WR2 to get the big plays.

Take a look at some games from the last few years, I remember in '04 like half the WR2s that played them had their best games of the season against NE.

In other words, despite being one of the best defenses in the league over the past few years at doing what they do, they are also the easiest against the WR2, which is very handy around midseason when those bye-week blues swing in.

That's not what happenned last year though. The Patriots allowed the 7th most fantasy points to WR2s, but the 2nd most fantasy points to WR1s. Of course NE also allowed the most combined FPs to WR1s and WR2s.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Here's an example of how this could be useful: I was in a league last year with a very shallow bench and a very active WW. I picked up Evans based on his potential but he put together a string of really bad games. The week before he played Miami I dropped him for JoeJ who was playing really well with Djax out. Had I had this info, I likely would have held on for one more game and reaped the rewards of his 3-TD explosion:

Lee Evans vs. mia

Overall: 31 games, 8.6 PPG

vs. mia: 4 games, 15.6 PPG

2004 13 0 pass, 0 rush, 110 rec, 2 tot TDs

2004 6 0 pass, 0 rush, 32 rec, 0 tot TDs

2005 13 0 pass, 0 rush, 117 rec, 3 tot TDs

2005 5 0 pass, 0 rush, 65 rec, 0 tot TDs

If you'd had the 2005 info, you definitely would have started Evans in his second game against Miami last year. But, of course, info for that game was unavailable before it was played.In the three previous games against Miami, Evans averaged 10.9 PPG, which wasn't all that much higher than his overall PPG of 8.6.

 

[sholditch]

right, but there was that second game against them in 04 to look at that was one TD away from being identical. Of course the 05 game would have made it a trend and not before, but I was basically flipping a coin when I made the call, and that game might have changed my mind. I'm just saying that this info can't be completely useless in all FF decisions.

 

[Chase Stuart]

right, but there was that second game against them in 04 to look at that was one TD away from being identical. Of course the 05 game would have made it a trend and not before, but I was basically flipping a coin when I made the call, and that game might have changed my mind. I'm just saying that this info can't be completely useless in all FF decisions.

If the information tells you the guy is 50% likely to do better than you expect, that's going to be completely useless. I agree with Doug that there's really very little to no value with this information.

 

[sholditch]

fair enough. Still, if the trends we have (and Doug has) listed hold true for 06, I'll give them a passing glance when making WDIS decisions.

 

[rascal]

And here is the flip side: players who have performed worse than their overall average against a particular team.

Denver is probably the best, if not top 5 most definetly, at defending the TE. They routinely shut down Gates and Gonzo. And no it's not because they put champ bailey against them, although they do that occasionally but not primarily.Yes I'm a Bronco homer. GO BRONCOS!!!

 

[jurb26]

I'm not high on Lavar Arrington as a NY Giant but I feel particularly confident that he'll have 2 very good games against his former employers. Just my

I would not count on it. Arrignton is known to be a loose cannon who lets emotion get in the way of practicality and scheme on the field. This is clearly going to be the game in which he possesses the most emotion and I forsee several blown assignments. Even if he does have a few big plays or nice hits, at what cost did they come?