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Playoff pay per view? No effing way (1 Viewer)

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Per the Athletic:

"Executives at the NFL and NBC’s Peacock streaming service believe that at least a significant number of you will be interested. It’s why Peacock, first reported by The Wall Street Journal and confirmed by The Athletic, paid the NFL an estimated $110 million to air the first-ever exclusive, live-streamed NFL playoff game on Jan. 13. The Peacock wild-card game will be played in prime time and the NFL will announce the teams upon the conclusion of play this Sunday. "

Personally, I will not be paying to watch the game, and hope that a lot of people follow suit. When you consider the owners expect municipalities to pay for stadiums, and, from my understanding, every single team shows a profit year-in, year-out (link), I find this disgusting.
 
I'm out. My (fantasy) football season ends this Sunday. I can't justify pay-per-view football.
 
great thread, perhaps you can update the thread title so people know what it's about. i paid full price for sunday ticket for the first time this year and probably will again next year, but no chance i go pay per view route for any games. if they deem this successful, what's next, ppv superbowl? no thanks.
 
It reads like this will be part of the normal Peacock subscription. I don't think it's an additional charge on top of the subscription.

It's a little more annoying since it's a playoff game. But you had to have Prime TV to watch TNF. Peacock had an exclusive game earlier this season.
 
Didn't they try this with NHL back in the 80's? Playoffs were on cable channels when cable wasn't wildly distributed at the time. So it was basically pay per view playoffs. Did not work out well from what I recall even though I was a kid.
 
I won't be watching. Like, it's one thing for Amazon to put games on streaming because they don't own any broadcast channels. It's a completely different thing for NBC to not put this on NBC to try and force people to get Peacock.

I hope this is a colossal failure. If this is a success, it's only a matter of time before we need 7 different streaming apps to watch games. I'd like to avoid that dystopia.
 
I won't be watching. Like, it's one thing for Amazon to put games on streaming because they don't own any broadcast channels. It's a completely different thing for NBC to not put this on NBC to try and force people to get Peacock.

I hope this is a colossal failure. If this is a success, it's only a matter of time before we need 7 different streaming apps to watch games. I'd like to avoid that dystopia.
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I won't be watching. Like, it's one thing for Amazon to put games on streaming because they don't own any broadcast channels. It's a completely different thing for NBC to not put this on NBC to try and force people to get Peacock.

I hope this is a colossal failure. If this is a success, it's only a matter of time before we need 7 different streaming apps to watch games. I'd like to avoid that dystopia.
It all depends on the game. Are people going to be clamoring to watch Eagles at Bucs round 1 on a Monday night? Outside of those two fan bases I doubt it. But if it's Rams at Cowboys, that might draw people.
 
I love how the article explaining this also has a paywall.

So if you already have Peacock, is this an extra charge?
No, if you have Peacock you can watch it. I think people are more coming at it from the angle of paying for a network and cable streaming service like YouTube TV; part of that package being rights to NBC broadcasts. Since this is an NBC game they should be able to watch it. But NBC has decided to not include it as a network game, and instead make you subscribe to their specific streaming service to get it. Honestly it's even more of a kick in the pants to people who paid for Sunday Ticket on top of YouTube TV. It'd be like paying admission to Disney World, walking inside, and finding out one of the best rides is now an additional charge. With the way the worlds going, I guess I wouldn't be surprised if someone told me that actually was a thing now too lol.
 
It's simple greed, and greed wrecks every product it touches.

You can call it supply and demand all you want, and I used to be almost exclusively a laissez-faire guy (I used to even almost agree with people who disagreed with corporate charity or investing in causes because of utiltarian concerns and my thoughts about corporate duty to shareholders), but a fair deal at a fair price is a moral good. In addition to that, delivering a fair deal at a fair price usually doesn't result in going out of business or losing customers.

I'm really put off by this.

As stated upthread, I think inevitably this is the way it goes, screwing the middle and poorer classes that have traditionally watched and been the eyes for professional football.
 
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I won't be watching. Like, it's one thing for Amazon to put games on streaming because they don't own any broadcast channels. It's a completely different thing for NBC to not put this on NBC to try and force people to get Peacock.

I hope this is a colossal failure. If this is a success, it's only a matter of time before we need 7 different streaming apps to watch games. I'd like to avoid that dystopia.
I mean.... we are kind of there already right? I understand these boards have a wide range of age for users, but for the most part, not many people still pay for cable. Even if they do, you still need to pay for Sunday Ticket to get out of market games. If you just want to pay for Sunday Ticket but not cable, local games are blacked out. That semi takes care of Sundays. But for Monday, Thursday, and Saturday games, you still need some combination of NFL+, Amazon Prime, and ESPN to make up the rest of games. And now Peacock is having an exclusive game, so add them to the mix. We may not be at 7 total, but we are damn close. And trying to figure out what is playing where and when is not fun. We also haven't even scratched the service of the actual QUALITY of the service too. While Amazon streams have been decent, I've personally had issues with just about every other streaming provider at times with buffering, drops, and especially quality. It's 2023, nearly every TV made now is in 4K. And yet I'm watching football in 720p upscaled to 1080. I get it, first world problems. But for the prices they charge, I expect a hell of a lot more. I'm not quite "old man yelling at clouds" yet, but I'm getting close. And despite having a Peacock subscription (we share with another family for now, until they disallow it like many other streaming providers are doing), I will be watching this game by pirating it online. F-them. I will be setting up my parents to pirate the game as well. And considering the aforementioned quality and service issues with streaming services, will probably go back to pirating everything next season. I can refresh a browser window easier than I can a streaming app anyhow when it times out or freezes.
 
Honestly it's even more of a kick in the pants to people who paid for Sunday Ticket
Yes, I said something about this on the Peacock game a few weeks ago but I've had the Ticket for 24 years and one of the things I always liked about was the realization that I'd never miss a game I wanted to watch. This will now be the third game this year that does not apply. So basically the cost of the ticket keeps increasing while the value decreases.

This is why I won't pay for this game even if it's $6 and basically the price of renting a movie. Principle.

I do this a lot already so not big deal to me but I believe the game will re-air at 11:30 PM CST on NFLN. I'm just going to turn off my phone, stay off the internet and tune in at 11:30 not knowing a thing.
 
For some of us, this will be one of the few games we can watch.

NFL Sunday Ticket does not include preseason and postseason games.
 
Honestly it's even more of a kick in the pants to people who paid for Sunday Ticket
Yes, I said something about this on the Peacock game a few weeks ago but I've had the Ticket for 24 years and one of the things I always liked about was the realization that I'd never miss a game I wanted to watch. This will now be the third game this year that does not apply. So basically the cost of the ticket keeps increasing while the value decreases.

This is why I won't pay for this game even if it's $6 and basically the price of renting a movie. Principle.

I do this a lot already so not big deal to me but I believe the game will re-air at 11:30 PM CST on NFLN. I'm just going to turn off my phone, stay off the internet and tune in at 11:30 not knowing a thing.
They are quite literally "banking" on most people viewing it that way, "It's just $6, I'll just do it and cancel". Until next season when you need to do it twice, and the following year three times, etc. And I'm quite sure Peacock is banking on the fact people are busy and forgetful, and many sign up to watch this game and forget they did. Autopay and paperless billing will net them a few more months of revenue before people finally remember to cancel. It's all predatory and disgusts me.
 
It'd be like paying admission to Disney World, walking inside, and finding out one of the best rides is now an additional charge. With the way the worlds going, I guess I wouldn't be surprised if someone told me that actually was a thing now too lol
Given that the speed pass or whatever they call it costs extra and all the other add ons, that’s happening already.
The day our kids convince us to go to Disney again is the day they better all have full rides to college.
 
Honestly it's even more of a kick in the pants to people who paid for Sunday Ticket
Yes, I said something about this on the Peacock game a few weeks ago but I've had the Ticket for 24 years and one of the things I always liked about was the realization that I'd never miss a game I wanted to watch. This will now be the third game this year that does not apply. So basically the cost of the ticket keeps increasing while the value decreases.

This is why I won't pay for this game even if it's $6 and basically the price of renting a movie. Principle.

I do this a lot already so not big deal to me but I believe the game will re-air at 11:30 PM CST on NFLN. I'm just going to turn off my phone, stay off the internet and tune in at 11:30 not knowing a thing.
They are quite literally "banking" on most people viewing it that way, "It's just $6, I'll just do it and cancel". Until next season when you need to do it twice, and the following year three times, etc. And I'm quite sure Peacock is banking on the fact people are busy and forgetful, and many sign up to watch this game and forget they did. Autopay and paperless billing will net them a few more months of revenue before people finally remember to cancel. It's all predatory and disgusts me.
That, and frankly, peacock for $6/month is not a bad deal. Better than just about any other streaming service.
 
Just curious, how is this any different than having to have Prime to watch Thursday night games (other than it being a playoff game)?
 
Traditional tv's highest rated current shows are mostly pro and college football games. Big numbers that bring in big ad revenue. They have to find a way to outbid the Peacocks of the world for these games or they will be left with squat.
 
It reads like this will be part of the normal Peacock subscription. I don't think it's an additional charge on top of the subscription.

It's a little more annoying since it's a playoff game. But you had to have Prime TV to watch TNF. Peacock had an exclusive game earlier this season.
Amazon Prime has 167M US subscribers. Peacock has 28M. That makes this infinitely more annoying.

I get not wanting to pay on principle, but if it's a Lions game I will find a way to watch it. There are also rebates for customers of a couple different brands -- AmEx and JetBlue are two that I know about -- where you can get the first month refunded, so if you remember to cancel, it won't cost you anything. And of course the game will be on broadcast in the local markets
 
Just curious, how is this any different than having to have Prime to watch Thursday night games (other than it being a playoff game)?

I dont know how it's any different, but its more the precedent it sets. It opens the door for multiple NFL/playoff games all being on some different streaming service. Then you'll have the Superbowl on another, oh but then maybe you'll have to switch to another for the halftime show. And for the most part they're all streaming services you wouldnt really watch anything else on. There are so many of them now, everything is so diluted. Having to sign up and cancel each time the one show you want to watch has a new season gets tiresome.
 
Just curious, how is this any different than having to have Prime to watch Thursday night games (other than it being a playoff game)?

I dont know how it's any different, but its more the precedent it sets. It opens the door for multiple NFL/playoff games all being on some different streaming service. Then you'll have the Superbowl on another, oh but then maybe you'll have to switch to another for the halftime show. And for the most part they're all streaming services you wouldnt really watch anything else on. There are so many of them now, everything is so diluted. Having to sign up and cancel each time the one show you want to watch has a new season gets tiresome.
This really isn't that complicated. The league will do whatever brings in the most money. If that means having every playoff game on a different network or streaming service, at some point they'll do that.
 
Just curious, how is this any different than having to have Prime to watch Thursday night games (other than it being a playoff game)?
How is this any different than when they moved MNF to ESPN? You had to get cable to watch MNF all season, which most Americans at the time did not have, and cable is waaaay more expensive than Peacock. The NFL is a moneygrab, and a great one at that.
 
Just curious, how is this any different than having to have Prime to watch Thursday night games (other than it being a playoff game)?

I dont know how it's any different, but its more the precedent it sets. It opens the door for multiple NFL/playoff games all being on some different streaming service. Then you'll have the Superbowl on another, oh but then maybe you'll have to switch to another for the halftime show. And for the most part they're all streaming services you wouldnt really watch anything else on. There are so many of them now, everything is so diluted. Having to sign up and cancel each time the one show you want to watch has a new season gets tiresome.
This really isn't that complicated. The league will do whatever brings in the most money. If that means having every playoff game on a different network or streaming service, at some point they'll do that.
Yep. Sucks for fans. Why would the NFL sell a used car for 10 grand when it can strip it down for parts and sell for 15 grand. Once again, it sucks for fans, but I see it getting worse before it gets better.
 
Honestly it's even more of a kick in the pants to people who paid for Sunday Ticket
Yes, I said something about this on the Peacock game a few weeks ago but I've had the Ticket for 24 years and one of the things I always liked about was the realization that I'd never miss a game I wanted to watch. This will now be the third game this year that does not apply. So basically the cost of the ticket keeps increasing while the value decreases.

This is why I won't pay for this game even if it's $6 and basically the price of renting a movie. Principle.

I do this a lot already so not big deal to me but I believe the game will re-air at 11:30 PM CST on NFLN. I'm just going to turn off my phone, stay off the internet and tune in at 11:30 not knowing a thing.
They are quite literally "banking" on most people viewing it that way, "It's just $6, I'll just do it and cancel". Until next season when you need to do it twice, and the following year three times, etc. And I'm quite sure Peacock is banking on the fact people are busy and forgetful, and many sign up to watch this game and forget they did. Autopay and paperless billing will net them a few more months of revenue before people finally remember to cancel. It's all predatory and disgusts me.
That, and frankly, peacock for $6/month is not a bad deal. Better than just about any other streaming service.
Sounds like blind pessimism, but looking at the trends of the other streaming services, I'm comfortable predicting that price will rise. They are one of the newer kids on the block and are building a userbase. Disney plus went from $80 a year to (I believe) $140 a year over the course of about 18 months. YouTube TV saw similar price hikes. Cord cutting initially was a cost saver, but in another year or two comparable combinations of streaming packages to get the same programming will be just as expensive, if not more so. And this definitely IS blind pessimism, but I swear the commercials are more frequent than cable ever was, and so damn repetitive I want to scream lol. It's like the same 3 every break for months. I could ramble off the full litany of side effects for Jardiance right now for you from watching the Office to fall asleep every night. Like did you know taking it could cause a potentially life threatening necrotizing fasciitis in my perineum? (that's a flesh eating infection on your taint btw) Just something lovely to visualize while eating your dinner tonight haha. But yeah for now, Peacock isn't terribly priced for the base plan, hence why it's one of the few I still have.
 
Just curious, how is this any different than having to have Prime to watch Thursday night games (other than it being a playoff game)?
Peacock has 1/6 the subscribers. And obviously, lots of people get benefits from Prime that go way beyond the NFL or any other streaming options
 
Just curious, how is this any different than having to have Prime to watch Thursday night games (other than it being a playoff game)?
How is this any different than when they moved MNF to ESPN? You had to get cable to watch MNF all season, which most Americans at the time did not have, and cable is waaaay more expensive than Peacock. The NFL is a moneygrab, and a great one at that.
IIRC at the time there were like 100M American households and 80%+ of them had cable
 
Traditional tv's highest rated current shows are mostly pro and college football games. Big numbers that bring in big ad revenue. They have to find a way to outbid the Peacocks of the world for these games or they will be left with squat.
Interestingly, they've said they are going to have no commercial breaks during the 4th quarter. I'd imagine that means they'll just reduce the size of the game cast to surround it with banner ads like redzone does. But I'd also assume they'll still lose some ad revenue doing this.
 
I did find it interesting that they are putting the primetime game on Peacock and the afternoon one on NBC. Saturday afternoon is by far the worst timeslot, and I would have figured they would put the Peacock game there as an experiment. If they end up with a headline team like Dallas, Philly, or KC, there could be a much bigger backlash
 
I did find it interesting that they are putting the primetime game on Peacock and the afternoon one on NBC. Saturday afternoon is by far the worst timeslot, and I would have figured they would put the Peacock game there as an experiment. If they end up with a headline team like Dallas, Philly, or KC, there could be a much bigger backlash
They will.

As a matter of fact, I would almost bet $100 the Chiefs will be in that spot. They are probably one and done in this playoffs, so may as well try it out on them.
 
Traditional tv's highest rated current shows are mostly pro and college football games. Big numbers that bring in big ad revenue. They have to find a way to outbid the Peacocks of the world for these games or they will be left with squat.
Interestingly, they've said they are going to have no commercial breaks during the 4th quarter. I'd imagine that means they'll just reduce the size of the game cast to surround it with banner ads like redzone does. But I'd also assume they'll still lose some ad revenue doing this.

The cynic in me assumes they're just going to front-load more TV timeouts into the 3rd quarter.
 
I did find it interesting that they are putting the primetime game on Peacock and the afternoon one on NBC. Saturday afternoon is by far the worst timeslot, and I would have figured they would put the Peacock game there as an experiment. If they end up with a headline team like Dallas, Philly, or KC, there could be a much bigger backlash
They will.

As a matter of fact, I would almost bet $100 the Chiefs will be in that spot. They are probably one and done in this playoffs, so may as well try it out on them.
Which would be interesting, because there's a decent chance they're playing the Bills.

I remember back when NFLN first started getting exclusive games in '07, there was a big backlash when a Packers-Cowboys game was on TNF. Then in Week 17, when the Giants were playing a Pats team going for 16-0, the NFL caved and made the game available on broadcast
 
I did find it interesting that they are putting the primetime game on Peacock and the afternoon one on NBC. Saturday afternoon is by far the worst timeslot, and I would have figured they would put the Peacock game there as an experiment. If they end up with a headline team like Dallas, Philly, or KC, there could be a much bigger backlash
They will.

As a matter of fact, I would almost bet $100 the Chiefs will be in that spot. They are probably one and done in this playoffs, so may as well try it out on them.
How many times have you been right with this strategy?
 
Just curious, how is this any different than having to have Prime to watch Thursday night games (other than it being a playoff game)?
How is this any different than when they moved MNF to ESPN? You had to get cable to watch MNF all season, which most Americans at the time did not have, and cable is waaaay more expensive than Peacock. The NFL is a moneygrab, and a great one at that.
You're thinking of Sunday night football. That started in 1987. MNF didn't start on ESPN until 2006.
 

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