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PlayStation 3 Delayed, Over $800? (1 Viewer)

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The analysis cited reports that the launch of PS3 could be delayed by between 6 and 12 months, with the result being an autumn launch in Japan and a late 2006 or early 2007 launch in the U.S.
Overall, as the BOM [bill of material] below indicates, we think that PS3 will cost about $900 to maufacture.
 
Cost to manufacture and retail price are two different things. They took a loss on the ps2 systems in hopes that software sales would shore up the difference.

 
Cost to manufacture and retail price are two different things. They took a loss on the ps2 systems in hopes that software sales would shore up the difference.
Right, but do you think taking a $500 loss per console is normal?
 
wow if it sells anywhere over 500 then I dont know if the PS3 can hold of the 360 or Revolution.

 
They'd have to drop the ball on this pretty badly to allow Nintendo even a portion of their market share back.

I believe we have a Sony insider on the board. Waiting to hear what he has to say.

:blackdot:

 
I dont know if the new DVD tech is enough to save the market as it would only benefit those with HD TVs.

I don't know the statistics, but I doubt that there will be enough HD TVs in households to warrant a purchase of the PS3.

 
Sooo . . . Slashdot is reporting that WhiteFlame is writing that CNet is reporting that Merril Lynch is suggesting that an analyst is proposing that Sony is making it look like the company might not meet its goal of getting PS3s out this year.

:TakesBreath:

Seriously, this is a plausible rumor and if its true, then very good news for Microsoft and Xbox.

 
I dont know if the new DVD tech is enough to save the market as it would only benefit those with HD TVs.

I don't know the statistics, but I doubt that there will be enough HD TVs in households to warrant a purchase of the PS3.
Those DVD players (Blue-Rays, I believe), are supposed to cost *more* than the PS3 retails for.So, they're hoping that will significantly increase market share on its own.

Plus, in a couple of years, more people will own HDTVs than *don't*.

 
wow if it sells anywhere over 500 then I dont know if the PS3 can hold of the 360 or Revolution.
Because it has the next technology of DVD players.
I'm not so sure about this. Sony is committed to BluRay and several other vendors are backing HD-DVD which will be on the shelves soon.My guess is that there'll be enough market for both formats just as theres a big enough market (and growing) for both the PS3 and the Xbox 360.

 
wow if it sells anywhere over 500 then I dont know if the PS3 can hold of the 360 or Revolution.
Because it has the next technology of DVD players.
I'm not so sure about this. Sony is committed to BluRay and several other vendors are backing HD-DVD which will be on the shelves soon.My guess is that there'll be enough market for both formats just as theres a big enough market (and growing) for both the PS3 and the Xbox 360.
I might be wrong, but I disagree with the second part.Everything I'm hearing is that we'll have the next VHS/Beta battle on our hands.

 
wow if it sells anywhere over 500 then I dont know if the PS3 can hold of the 360 or Revolution.
Because it has the next technology of DVD players.
I'm not so sure about this. Sony is committed to BluRay and several other vendors are backing HD-DVD which will be on the shelves soon.My guess is that there'll be enough market for both formats just as theres a big enough market (and growing) for both the PS3 and the Xbox 360.
I might be wrong, but I disagree with the second part.Everything I'm hearing is that we'll have the next VHS/Beta battle on our hands.
You're probably right. Except there weren't any popular game consoles based on either beta or vhs. The PS3 alone will make BluRay a presence in the DVD format war. Plus I'd read somewhere that Sony is going to modify how it licenses titles so someone purchasing a film in BluRay can get the same title for their PSP (UMD format) for free. Either way, the next format war could possibly be the last. This next generation may be the last physical media we have.
 
You're probably right. Except there weren't any popular game consoles based on either beta or vhs. The PS3 alone will make BluRay a presence in the DVD format war. Plus I'd read somewhere that Sony is going to modify how it licenses titles so someone purchasing a film in BluRay can get the same title for their PSP (UMD format) for free. Either way, the next format war could possibly be the last. This next generation may be the last physical media we have.
And that's what makes this so different...and why your opinion is as valid as mine here.I *really* agree with the last part, though. Then again, who knows where the world will be in 10 years. It could be even crazier than that.

But as for the DVD wars...I think it all hinges on how fast Sony can get the PS3 into the market. If it's more than a year after HD-DVD comes out, game over. (no pun intended)

Being first in a market is a solid, solid foundation. That's hard to make up.

 
Cost to manufacture and retail price are two different things. They took a loss on the ps2 systems in hopes that software sales would shore up the difference.
All console manufacturers have taken a loss, at least dating back 15 years, and make it back in licensing fees on game sales.I doubt this thing will end up costing 900 bucks a pop to manufacture. But I would not be suprised if it cost 100-200 dollars more to make than they end up selling it for.

I used to work in the video game industry, the cut that MS, Nintendo and Sony take from 3rd party publishers of each game sold is ~50%

So, figure games are 50 bucks, probably 60 bucks now and for the next few years. Their average consumer would have to buy maybe 6 games for them to break even. Granted there are tons of other costs and also profits coming in from other sources, licensing, movies, ad tie-ins, etc... And I'm sure they have it figured out over the lifespan of the console, so that when manufacturing costs come down, as they always do, their margins go way up. Sony was still making bank on PS1 games well into the life of the PS2.

 
Cost to manufacture and retail price are two different things. They took a loss on the ps2 systems in hopes that software sales would shore up the difference.
All console manufacturers have taken a loss, at least dating back 15 years, and make it back in licensing fees on game sales.I doubt this thing will end up costing 900 bucks a pop to manufacture. But I would not be suprised if it cost 100-200 dollars more to make than they end up selling it for.

I used to work in the video game industry, the cut that MS, Nintendo and Sony take from 3rd party publishers of each game sold is ~50%

So, figure games are 50 bucks, probably 60 bucks now and for the next few years. Their average consumer would have to buy maybe 6 games for them to break even. Granted there are tons of other costs and also profits coming in from other sources, licensing, movies, ad tie-ins, etc... And I'm sure they have it figured out over the lifespan of the console, so that when manufacturing costs come down, as they always do, their margins go way up. Sony was still making bank on PS1 games well into the life of the PS2.
Good stuff here. Thanks.
 
But as for the DVD wars...I think it all hinges on how fast Sony can get the PS3 into the market. If it's more than a year after HD-DVD comes out, game over. (no pun intended)

Being first in a market is a solid, solid foundation. That's hard to make up.
Yeah - if it's more than a year then things could really get ugly for Sony.I wonder if there are any Sony executives having nightmares over a possible scenario where they would need to retool the PS3 to support HD-DVD. BluRay already has a huge imaginary strike against it because HD-DVD just sounds automatically more compatible with HD technology.

Link to original article.

Either way - very interesting year ahead :popcorn:

 
I used to work in the video game industry, the cut that MS, Nintendo and Sony take from 3rd party publishers of each game sold is ~50%
Not totally true. The hardware manufacturers do take a large cut, but it's not 50%. It's much closer to 20% of the retail price.
 
Disclaimer - with 4 kids, we own Xbox, PS2 and Game cube so I'm pretty impartial.

This is shaping up to be a fascinating battle. Throwing in the DVD format component is a great twist.

I took heat from the Sony fans back when I said they shouldn't be laughing off Xbox as the next Dream Cast. I don't see near the smugness from the Sony camp now. MS is in this thing to play for keeps and they're making huge strides.

The more I read about Ken Kutaragi at Sony, I pull for the "underdog" Peter Moore at MS.

Should be fun.

J

 
I love my Ps2 and I hope 1 format of dvd shakes out. Sony needs a bloody nose after sitting on the Ps2 so long. Now it looks the the Ps3 has no hard drive, bad idea.

MS has the cash to take a beating until it makes something people want.

 
Isn't this part far worse news than the delay?

The official report (pdf) would also seem to indicate that the console will be somewhere in the neighborhood of $900 when it launches.
J
 
Isn't this part far worse news than the delay?

The official report (pdf) would also seem to indicate that the console will be somewhere in the neighborhood of $900 when it launches.
J
If it includes BluRay, I have no problem with that price.That's going to alienate a lot of other people, though...and no way Playstation is 225% the price of the XBox.

 
BluRay already has a huge imaginary strike against it because HD-DVD just sounds automatically more compatible with HD technology.
:goodposting: I think it might be just you and I saying this NB, but this is a huge point.

Blu Ray is a terrible name compared to HD-DVD. Just awful.

I'd call this nearly 2 strikes against Sony.

J

 
Isn't this part far worse news than the delay?

The official report (pdf) would also seem to indicate that the console will be somewhere in the neighborhood of $900 when it launches.
J
If it includes BluRay, I have no problem with that price.That's going to alienate a lot of other people, though...and no way Playstation is 225% the price of the XBox.
That's a lot of coin to shell out for a technology that hasn't even shown it will be the standard.
 
Isn't this part far worse news than the delay?

The official report (pdf) would also seem to indicate that the console will be somewhere in the neighborhood of $900 when it launches.
J
If it includes BluRay, I have no problem with that price.That's going to alienate a lot of other people, though...and no way Playstation is 225% the price of the XBox.
That's a lot of coin to shell out for a technology that hasn't even shown it will be the standard.
Exactly foos. It's not like they're saying, "hey you get the next standard of DVD player thrown in." They're saying, "Hey, we're going to charge you a ton more for this PS3 and for that extra money, we're going to have a DVD player format that we think will be the next standard and really hope is not the next Beta"

J

 
Isn't this part far worse news than the delay?

The official report (pdf) would also seem to indicate that the console will be somewhere in the neighborhood of $900 when it launches.
J
If it includes BluRay, I have no problem with that price.That's going to alienate a lot of other people, though...and no way Playstation is 225% the price of the XBox.
That's a lot of coin to shell out for a technology that hasn't even shown it will be the standard.
Exactly foos. It's not like they're saying, "hey you get the next standard of DVD player thrown in." They're saying, "Hey, we're going to charge you a ton more for this PS3 and for that extra money, we're going to have a DVD player format that we think will be the next standard and really hope is not the next Beta"

J
What a nightmare. I'll be buying and Xbox or playing my PS2 for the next couple years. I refuse to buy two or more consoles. How many movies games are going to take advantage of this dvd technology in the next year or two?
 
It may or may not cost them $900 to make it, but there's no way they will sell it for that much.

They will match the price of the 360 and take a loss on the hardware. MS did this with the initial Xbox. Microsoft still loses $100+ on each original Xbox sold... which is why they've completely stopped supporting the platform now that the 360 is out.

Sony has already had disappointing results with the PSP, because it's roughly twice the price of the Nintendo DS. They won't make the same mistake on the PS3.

As they improve their manufacturing and gain economies of scale, the manufacturing cost will come down. Until then, Sony will make their money back on Software royalties.

 
Isn't this part far worse news than the delay?

The official report (pdf) would also seem to indicate that the console will be somewhere in the neighborhood of $900 when it launches.
J
If it includes BluRay, I have no problem with that price.That's going to alienate a lot of other people, though...and no way Playstation is 225% the price of the XBox.
That's a lot of coin to shell out for a technology that hasn't even shown it will be the standard.
Exactly foos. It's not like they're saying, "hey you get the next standard of DVD player thrown in." They're saying, "Hey, we're going to charge you a ton more for this PS3 and for that extra money, we're going to have a DVD player format that we think will be the next standard and really hope is not the next Beta"

J
What a nightmare. I'll be buying and Xbox or playing my PS2 for the next couple years. I refuse to buy two or more consoles. How many movies games are going to take advantage of this dvd technology in the next year or two?
The way they are pricing and going about these things, I think this is going to be more and more the prevailing attitude of people.Sure, there will always be the rush to get the next new thing, but parents are going to start balking on fronting that kind of money for a gaming system.

 
Isn't this part far worse news than the delay?

The official report (pdf) would also seem to indicate that the console will be somewhere in the neighborhood of $900 when it launches.
J
If it includes BluRay, I have no problem with that price.That's going to alienate a lot of other people, though...and no way Playstation is 225% the price of the XBox.
That's a lot of coin to shell out for a technology that hasn't even shown it will be the standard.
Exactly foos. It's not like they're saying, "hey you get the next standard of DVD player thrown in." They're saying, "Hey, we're going to charge you a ton more for this PS3 and for that extra money, we're going to have a DVD player format that we think will be the next standard and really hope is not the next Beta"

J
I think you're WAY overestimating HD-DVD's name. Yes, it's a slight advantage, but people have shown that they're smart enough in the past to realize that BluRay and HD-DVD are the two technologies that do the same thing.There are two types of buyers in this market:

1: The buyers who immediately make a purchase: If you're buying right away, you're going to research both technologies a fair bit, because at that price, it's a massive purchase. If you're making this purchase, you at least have the internet, which will tell you pretty quickly that there are competitors, who they are, and what the differences are.

2. If you're NOT buying right away: The buzz around them both has been pretty high, and you know they're the same technology.

People aren't going to flock to HD-DVD solely because of the name.

And, what I think is more important...at first...*it doesn't matter which one you purchase*.

As the market's shown with Beta/VHS in the past, and like-competitions, even the "losing" format will be out for a few years. 5-10 years, even. In 5-10 years, most Americans will replace the technology *anyway*. So, if you're in early enough, it probably doesn't matter *which* one you buy.

 
:pickle: glad I got a 360

Got it a few weeks ago while keeping an eye on http://xbox.clambert.org/ I happened to find the site just as Sears had them in stock, so I got lucky.

Also, last week MS announced it will have an HD-DVD accesory possibly as early as this year. It's the competitor to Blue-Ray, and expected to be cheaper and available earlier.

Get a 360. MS has alot in store for this system, and Vista should go very nice with it. :thumbup:

 
Those DVD players (Blue-Rays, I believe), are supposed to cost *more* than the PS3 retails for.

So, they're hoping that will significantly increase market share on its own.
Yes,... HOWEVER, this was the case with the first CD and DVD players. PROBLEM: The acceptance curve for new audio/video equipment s usually very shallow for the first few years of the technology...and is tyically only adopted early on by by video-/audiophiles.These people are NOT the type of people who are going to buy a PS3 in an effort to save money on the first generation of a new technology.

This will only be compounded due to the intial format war between HD-DVD and BluRay. This will stagnate growth during the first couple of quarters muchin the way that all the DVD-R/RW/+R/etc formats slowed growth of the recordable DVD marketl.

The XBOX and PS2 both play DVDs but I'd venture to guess that at least 80-90% of the people who own these systems do not use them as their primary DVD playback devices.

IMHO the impact of Bluray will be negligble on on the intial sales of PS3.

Plus, in a couple of years, more people will own HDTVs than *don't*.
Yes.... HOWEVER, in a fewyears BluRay DVD players will have passe the early adoption stage and will have fallen in price to the point where people will want standalone players (like they have DVD players now). IF the SRP is above 600 Sony is going to have some serious issues with this console.... particularly since Microsoft will likely time a flurry of new product/game launches around the same time to steal their thunder. Why Sony's PS3 WILL survive? Japanese market.

My guess is the PS3 comes out at two price points much like the 360... %499 and $599 with sony losing 3-400 bucks per first-generation unit. The sales will be sluggish in the states, with Sony losing close to 10% of their market share in America over the next 2 years. However, the PS3 will do VERY well in Japan enabling them to hold on nicely.

 
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Isn't this part far worse news than the delay?

The official report (pdf) would also seem to indicate that the console will be somewhere in the neighborhood of $900 when it launches.
J
If it includes BluRay, I have no problem with that price.That's going to alienate a lot of other people, though...and no way Playstation is 225% the price of the XBox.
That's a lot of coin to shell out for a technology that hasn't even shown it will be the standard.
Exactly foos. It's not like they're saying, "hey you get the next standard of DVD player thrown in." They're saying, "Hey, we're going to charge you a ton more for this PS3 and for that extra money, we're going to have a DVD player format that we think will be the next standard and really hope is not the next Beta"

J
I think you're WAY overestimating HD-DVD's name. Yes, it's a slight advantage, but people have shown that they're smart enough in the past to realize that BluRay and HD-DVD are the two technologies that do the same thing.There are two types of buyers in this market:

1: The buyers who immediately make a purchase: If you're buying right away, you're going to research both technologies a fair bit, because at that price, it's a massive purchase. If you're making this purchase, you at least have the internet, which will tell you pretty quickly that there are competitors, who they are, and what the differences are.

2. If you're NOT buying right away: The buzz around them both has been pretty high, and you know they're the same technology.

People aren't going to flock to HD-DVD solely because of the name.

And, what I think is more important...at first...*it doesn't matter which one you purchase*.

As the market's shown with Beta/VHS in the past, and like-competitions, even the "losing" format will be out for a few years. 5-10 years, even. In 5-10 years, most Americans will replace the technology *anyway*. So, if you're in early enough, it probably doesn't matter *which* one you buy.
Hi Keys,Sorry but disagree with just about everything you said.

If both formats do the same thing, the one that sounds like what it is will win.

HD-DVD is the next progression of HDTV. It just makes perfect sense.

Secondly, I'd ask any of the guys sitting on Betamax machines over the last 15 years if they thought it made any difference.

This is a huge battle brewing and I think there will absolutely be big winners and losers.

J

 
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If both formats do the same thing, the one that sounds like what it is will win.
I gave reasons that showed that assumption isn't true. It's a logical assumption, but for the two types of buyers involved, it only slightly will influence behavior. Go back and look at the argument...I understand why you think this, but it just doesn't seem this will actually be true in the marketplace.And my point about the losing technology was that even while losing, it would be a valid format for 5-10 years. You'd replace it anyway by then, most likely.

 
I gave reasons that showed that assumption isn't true.
:lmao: You gave some opinions why you think that isn't true. I just think you're wrong.

We'll see though. Should be fun.

J
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Keys basically said that people will have access to information on both formats.. that is it. The winning format will be decided based on factors COMPLETELY independent of the PS3... and please remember that Sony is NOTORIOUS for being on the losing end of Format wars (Betamax, MiniDisc, MemoryStick, etc)

I agree with Joe, but I only think HD-DVD will have a SMALL advantage due to the name... the format war will be won based on availabilty of content, availabilty of recordable media... pricing/availabiltiy of hardware (which will depend on several factors).

Keys, please address my post too.. just curious what your thoughts were....

Not attacking BTW... good discussion :thumbup:

 
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]I agree with Joe, but I only think HD-DVD will have a SMALL advantage due to the name...
That's what I've been saying this whole time.I'm honestly just getting frustrated in this, because I'm trying to explain the reasons (or opinions, whatever), I think the way I do, and they're getting glossed over with a laughing smiley and "you're wrong". That kind of discussion doesn't work for me. :shrug:

As for YOUR argument...

I don't disagree that BluRay will be negligable on sales of PS3. I've never argued otherwise. I'm just saying that's a reason *I'd* buy it. That's all. If we're talking about the impact of sales on PS3, that's a *whole* different discussion, IMO.

I think the price is going to be a HUGE issue. If the XBox is cheaper, and it's more well known, since it's been out longer, then it'll win in a landslide. PS3 has recognizability and its brand name going for it, but that's not going to last very long if these problems keep happening.

 
,Feb 20 2006, 09:11 AM]I agree with Joe, but I only think HD-DVD will have a SMALL advantage due to the name...
That's what I've been saying this whole time.I'm honestly just getting frustrated in this, because I'm trying to explain the reasons (or opinions, whatever), I think the way I do, and they're getting glossed over with a laughing smiley and "you're wrong". That kind of discussion doesn't work for me. :shrug:
Hi Keys,I think you're mistaking "glossing over" for thinking you're wrong.

J

 
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]IF the SRP is above 600 Sony is going to have some serious issues with this console.... particularly since Microsoft will likely time a flurry of new product/game launches around the same time to steal their thunder. Why Sony's PS3 WILL survive? Japanese market.

My guess is the PS3 comes out at two price points much like the 360... %499 and $599 with sony losing 3-400 bucks per first-generation unit. The sales will be sluggish in the states, with Sony losing close to 10% of their market share in America over the next 2 years. However, the PS3 will do VERY well in Japan enabling them to hold on nicely.
I think you are severely underestimating Sony and the Playstation name here in the U.S. I can see Microsoft gaining some market share with a year head start, but once the hype machine begins rolling for the PS3 there will be a frenzy and they'll sell out every machine. Even this past Christmas, the PS2 was #1 in console sales. Not the 360. The Playstation name is synonymous with video games, and people will buy it. Microsoft needs more killer apps than just Halo if they are to take the lead in this race.The video game market has histirically shown that there is only room for two main players. Nintendo is going to be the one left on the outside again this generation.

 
Even this past Christmas, the PS2 was #1 in console sales. Not the 360.
Hi goon,Of course it did. But that's more a factor of the 360 being impossible to find this Christmas. A huge error on MS's part.

J

 
The video game market has histirically shown that there is only room for two main players. Nintendo is going to be the one left on the outside again this generation.
Nintendo is niching itself as the console to have for younger kids.
 
The video game market has histirically shown that there is only room for two main players. Nintendo is going to be the one left on the outside again this generation.
Nintendo is niching itself as the console to have for younger kids.
And for that niche, I think they rule. On the Quality over Quantity angle, they smoke both Sony and MS.

It just seems like they are so good at that niche that they can't break out of it. I dunno.

J

 
ps3 is going to retail for about $420 in the us

link:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11458047/page/2/

Sakurai estimated that Sony could charge at most 50,000 yen ($420) for the console.
The PS3 is so far beyond the 360 it is not even funny. The graphics this has been demod to do are unbelieveable.The 360 was designed to compete with current technology against the PS2. The major upgrade it had was HDTV, but they had to rip that out of them because it wasn't working.

I'll dig up the links on the graphics but when the PS3 hits the shelves 360 will be blown away.

 
The video game market has histirically shown that there is only room for two main players. Nintendo is going to be the one left on the outside again this generation.
Nintendo is niching itself as the console to have for younger kids.
And for that niche, I think they rule. On the Quality over Quantity angle, they smoke both Sony and MS.

It just seems like they are so good at that niche that they can't break out of it. I dunno.

J
It's a great position to have if they could just exploit it a bit more. They get the kids, and the parents, when they are young. If they could make some more age appropriate content for the next and the next steps up then they could be a real player.The problem becomes that they'll lose their kid friendly image if they start making a bunch of blood and gore games. Catch-22.

 
The video game market has histirically shown that there is only room for two main players. Nintendo is going to be the one left on the outside again this generation.
Nintendo is niching itself as the console to have for younger kids.
And for that niche, I think they rule. On the Quality over Quantity angle, they smoke both Sony and MS.

It just seems like they are so good at that niche that they can't break out of it. I dunno.

J
It's a great position to have if they could just exploit it a bit more. They get the kids, and the parents, when they are young. If they could make some more age appropriate content for the next and the next steps up then they could be a real player.The problem becomes that they'll lose their kid friendly image if they start making a bunch of blood and gore games. Catch-22.
I think that's exactly it, foos.You'd think there would be the "comfort" factor as it's what the kids grow up with. What I see instead though is that it becomes less "cool" for the 10 year old to like a system that the 5 year old likes.

And same for the parents. They like it as it's pretty safe. But if GTA was on Game Cube, they lose some of that. On the flip side, they'd gain a lot of GTA fans maybe. Interesting choices these companies have to make.

J

 
wow if it sells anywhere over 500 then I dont know if the PS3 can hold of the 360 or Revolution.
Because it has the next technology of DVD players.
I'm not so sure about this. Sony is committed to BluRay and several other vendors are backing HD-DVD which will be on the shelves soon.My guess is that there'll be enough market for both formats just as theres a big enough market (and growing) for both the PS3 and the Xbox 360.
I might be wrong, but I disagree with the second part.Everything I'm hearing is that we'll have the next VHS/Beta battle on our hands.
You're probably right. Except there weren't any popular game consoles based on either beta or vhs. The PS3 alone will make BluRay a presence in the DVD format war. Plus I'd read somewhere that Sony is going to modify how it licenses titles so someone purchasing a film in BluRay can get the same title for their PSP (UMD format) for free. Either way, the next format war could possibly be the last. This next generation may be the last physical media we have.
This one need to go in the time capsule.
 
wow if it sells anywhere over 500 then I dont know if the PS3 can hold of the 360 or Revolution.
Because it has the next technology of DVD players.
I'm not so sure about this. Sony is committed to BluRay and several other vendors are backing HD-DVD which will be on the shelves soon.My guess is that there'll be enough market for both formats just as theres a big enough market (and growing) for both the PS3 and the Xbox 360.
I might be wrong, but I disagree with the second part.Everything I'm hearing is that we'll have the next VHS/Beta battle on our hands.
You're probably right. Except there weren't any popular game consoles based on either beta or vhs. The PS3 alone will make BluRay a presence in the DVD format war. Plus I'd read somewhere that Sony is going to modify how it licenses titles so someone purchasing a film in BluRay can get the same title for their PSP (UMD format) for free. Either way, the next format war could possibly be the last. This next generation may be the last physical media we have.
This one need to go in the time capsule.
Agreed. There will always be the need for some kind of physical media.
 
Even this past Christmas, the PS2 was #1 in console sales. Not the 360.
Hi goon,Of course it did. But that's more a factor of the 360 being impossible to find this Christmas. A huge error on MS's part.

J
Agreed, but it's that many more people that won't necessarily jump ship on Sony in the next year. I guess my point is that there is a huge and ever-growing installed base of consumers that already have a loyalty to the Playstation name. To assume that Microsoft's year head start on the PS3 is enough to push them ahead of Sony is wrong, IMO.
 

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