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fantasycurse42

fantasycurse42

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As August of next year rolls around and we all get ready to begin our drafts again, the excitement overtakes the previous years frustration. While 2013 is still fresh in everyone's mind, we should have a list of guys to avoid and why, NO MATTER HOW EXCITED WE GET ABOUT A FEW PRESEASON RUNS, CATCHES, OR THROWS!

Dear 2014 FC42,

You need to avoid the following players!!

Ray Rice - Pierce will be taking on more of the load in 2014... On top of that, combining these two guys equals one RB2. He should not be more than anyone's flex. Avoid Pierce as well.

Trent Richardson - There will def be a lot of excitement about him next year, it is almost guaranteed! He will prob report to camp "in better shape than ever & hungry to prove himself." Don't listen, just keep the fact that Donald Brown is ahead of him in 2013 fresh in your mind!

Julio Jones - While predicting injury is impossible, avoiding people with chronic conditions helps limit the odds - His foot has now become this. Which brings me to...

Rob Gronkowski - I'm sure he will be rehabbing and running as fluid as people have seen him. While he is certainly one of the most freakish and talented guys in the NFL, he has now missed the fantasy playoffs in back to back seasons!! He broke his forearm on an PAT! Please please please don't do it to yourself again no matter how tempted you are!

CJ Spiller - Another guy everyone will probably be all gung-ho about! He needs to be avoided - Let someone else use a first rounder on him... He is not worth it!!

I am sure there are a lot others, but this for me will be a reminder of guys I should not draft in 2014 no matter how tempted I might be & no matter how quickly they reclimb the rankings...

Please add to this list while it is still fresh in your mind!

 
Darren McFadden on whatever new team is foolish enough to sign him.

Arian Foster - He is used and washed up.

Hakeem Nicks - See McFadden.

Marques Colston - Does this every year it seems. He will start off slow again and piss you off.

 
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lod01 said:
Darren McFadden on whatever new team is foolish enough to sign him.

Arian Foster - He is used and washed up.
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Yes DMC is a good one... There will be a lot of excitement for whatever team signs him, lets just remember he can't make it through a season and should be avoided.

 
Foster was a DND for me this year. Too many red flags.

Gore is a guy I probably won't touch next year. Love his work ethic and he's still putting up decent numbers, but there is little upside anymore. The wall is coming, and it's going to be swift and decisive when he hits it.

Ridley I'd be wary of as well.

 
Jonathan Stewart- Enough with this guy already. He's nothing more than a roster squatter. As soon as you think he's going to get to work and pay some rent, he's out again doing his best George Thorogood impression. One Bourbon, One Scotch and One Beer.

 
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lol at the Gronk thing....I saw you made a similar comment in the Gronk thread....I guess when I think injury "prone" it's more like DMC or Miles Austin and his hammies......mostly those nagging things.....Gronk's forearm and latest knee injury are mostly unlucky and would happen to any player that gets hit like that in those situations.....now if you wanted to talk about his back, thats another story....

I guess what I am saying is yeah, it sucks he has missed the playoffs two years in a row for you.....but it doesn't mean he should be avoided....at some point he still has value....and it's a lot of value.....had TJ not made that hit....a hit that would take out any human being, you'd be riding the Gronk train through your playoffs.....

I don't think you can just flat out avoid him.....it's better to take a look at where he's at next year in his rehab and how he is doing and make an assessment on his value, because he will have some at some point....quite honestly it's attitudes like this that allow other players to swoop in and gobble up value....

 
fantasycurse42 said:
As August of next year rolls around and we all get ready to begin our drafts again, the excitement overtakes the previous years frustration. While 2013 is still fresh in everyone's mind, we should have a list of guys to avoid and why, NO MATTER HOW EXCITED WE GET ABOUT A FEW PRESEASON RUNS, CATCHES, OR THROWS!

Dear 2014 FC42,

You need to avoid the following players!!

Ray Rice - Pierce will be taking on more of the load in 2014... On top of that, combining these two guys equals one RB2. He should not be more than anyone's flex. Avoid Pierce as well.

Trent Richardson - There will def be a lot of excitement about him next year, it is almost guaranteed! He will prob report to camp "in better shape than ever & hungry to prove himself." Don't listen, just keep the fact that Donald Brown is ahead of him in 2013 fresh in your mind!

Julio Jones - While predicting injury is impossible, avoiding people with chronic conditions helps limit the odds - His foot has now become this. Which brings me to...

Rob Gronkowski - I'm sure he will be rehabbing and running as fluid as people have seen him. While he is certainly one of the most freakish and talented guys in the NFL, he has now missed the fantasy playoffs in back to back seasons!! He broke his forearm on an PAT! Please please please don't do it to yourself again no matter how tempted you are!

CJ Spiller - Another guy everyone will probably be all gung-ho about! He needs to be avoided - Let someone else use a first rounder on him... He is not worth it!!

I am sure there are a lot others, but this for me will be a reminder of guys I should not draft in 2014 no matter how tempted I might be & no matter how quickly they reclimb the rankings...

Please add to this list while it is still fresh in your mind!
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I'm buying low on all these guys except for Julio.

 
Arian Foster will be fine. The year off to get the lower body right will do wonders for him. He will have the same type of impact for teams that ADP did last year when he slid.

Justin Blackmon-Should be a lot of buzz but he's a ticking time bomb. DOn't do it.

The rest of the list seems straight forward. I imagine DMAC is the type who has been on the list for a while for some of us.

 
Andy Dalton - Technically he qualifies as a QB1...and you'll look at his year-end stats this off-season and feel like he'll be a starting option. But it feels like he is turning into a feast or famine option and it will be tough to maintain confidence in him during his 'lulls'.

Nick Foles - He's the new QB kid on the block...with the exception of Russell Wilson who has a Top 5 RB and DEF to help him, it seems like DC's do something in the off-season to get a better handle on how to deal with successful 1st year starting QB's when they come back for their 2nd season.

Harry Douglas - With Julio Jones out, he's had his best season statistically. And logic would dictate with Gonzalez retiring...there will be production to be had here. Just don't overdraft. Seems to come up short consistently in clutch situations and a healthy Roddy/Julio combination probably relegates him back to secondary option.

Percy Harvin - You will hear how much more explosive he looks in August compared to now. And in SEA's offense, they'll truly be able to unleash Russell Wilson. But Harvin has now been proven to be a slow healer, SEA hasn't missed him at all and his style of play leads to him getting nicked up.

 
TheDirtyWord said:
Percy Harvin - You will hear how much more explosive he looks in August compared to now. And in SEA's offense, they'll truly be able to unleash Russell Wilson. But Harvin has now been proven to be a slow healer, SEA hasn't missed him at all and his style of play leads to him getting nicked up.
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Like this call. Plus with a ton 4 o'clock starts.

Def will be a ton of hype around Percy next year.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
TheDirtyWord said:
Percy Harvin - You will hear how much more explosive he looks in August compared to now. And in SEA's offense, they'll truly be able to unleash Russell Wilson. But Harvin has now been proven to be a slow healer, SEA hasn't missed him at all and his style of play leads to him getting nicked up.
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Like this call. Plus with a ton 4 o'clock starts.

Def will be a ton of hype around Percy next year.
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True, west coast players with game time decisions do present an extra problem to deal with. As do players on teams that will be scheduled prime time a lot.

 
Dear 2014 Mr. Irrelevant,

Enough with drafting mediocre #1 WRs on teams with bad QBs and/or bad OCs simply because "someone has to catch the ball". You will see Dwayne Bowe still sitting there in the 8th round or Santonio Holmes in the 10th and think, "Wow, I can snag a team's #1 receiving option for next to nothing right here! What value!" Do not be tempted.

Elite WRs will produce numbers no matter who is throwing them the ball (see: Gordon, Josh). Average ones will put up 4/41/0 week after week after week, saving their two 9/123/2 weeks for (a) the first week after you bench them and (b) the first week after you drop them.

Also, under no circumstances should you draft any Oakland wideout, at any point, for any reason, ever. This even extends to former Oakland wideouts, if their names happen to be "Darrius Heyward-Bey".

 
Chris Johnson

Next year, we are going to look at the overall rankings and see that he was around RB 10-20 at the end of the year. I think I had him benched for his two huge games this year. He was borderline droppable at some point this season. He doesn't get goalline touches and it drives me insane every time I see someone like Shonne Greene vulture a touchdown from CJ. I say this every year, but a play in preseason always gets me excited. I thought the improved line would help. Nope. Nope. Nope. I can't draft him again.

 
Shutout said:
Arian Foster will be fine. The year off to get the lower body right will do wonders for him. He will have the same type of impact for teams that ADP did last year when he slid.
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Disagree. If Kubiak was still in Houston then maybe I could see it but we need to see who becomes the head coach in Houston before making any sort of definitive statements about Foster. He was a perfect fit for the one cut and run zone blocking system that Kubiak brought to Houston but I am not so confident that 1) he has ever been the type of player that will thrive in any blocking scheme or 2) the new coaching staff will be committed to running with a high-mileage guy they didn't draft coming off a season ending back injury.

 
Future Self, don't feel forced to take 2 running backs in the first few rounds. Every year, someone gets hurt, just work the waiver wire. Also, make sure you can log in to your league quick and help yourself out and get up early on Sunday to watch pregame and Twitter. You'll eventually find a starter.

 
I likely won't own any Cowboys next season as players will get taken earlier than I care to. Unless there is a coaching change, especially the OC

 
Mr. Irrelevant said:
Also, under no circumstances should you draft any Oakland wideout, at any point, for any reason, ever. This even extends to former Oakland wideouts, if their names happen to be "Darrius Heyward-Bey".
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I don't think there were any Raider WR's that were highly drafted in 2013. Maybe D Moore, and even then you could get him into the 12th round. And for where he went, on a PPG basis, wasn't a disappointment. If anything he was value. I don't understand the dissappointment here. Was this "not overdrafting Raiders WR's" a lesson not already learned from 2012?

 
Late225 said:
Chris Johnson

Next year, we are going to look at the overall rankings and see that he was around RB 10-20 at the end of the year. I think I had him benched for his two huge games this year. He was borderline droppable at some point this season. He doesn't get goalline touches and it drives me insane every time I see someone like Shonne Greene vulture a touchdown from CJ. I say this every year, but a play in preseason always gets me excited. I thought the improved line would help. Nope. Nope. Nope. I can't draft him again.
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The guy is RB7. How bad can it really be?
 
Mr. Irrelevant said:
Dear 2014 Mr. Irrelevant,

Enough with drafting mediocre #1 WRs on teams with bad QBs and/or bad OCs simply because "someone has to catch the ball". You will see Dwayne Bowe still sitting there in the 8th round or Santonio Holmes in the 10th and think, "Wow, I can snag a team's #1 receiving option for next to nothing right here! What value!" Do not be tempted.
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2014 Mr. Irrelevant, if you're still in need of further convincing, consider that we're two weeks away from Christmas and the Jets are hoping to soon have a 400-yard receiver.

 
Adam Harstad said:
Mr. Irrelevant said:
Dear 2014 Mr. Irrelevant,

Enough with drafting mediocre #1 WRs on teams with bad QBs and/or bad OCs simply because "someone has to catch the ball". You will see Dwayne Bowe still sitting there in the 8th round or Santonio Holmes in the 10th and think, "Wow, I can snag a team's #1 receiving option for next to nothing right here! What value!" Do not be tempted.
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2014 Mr. Irrelevant, if you're still in need of further convincing, consider that we're two weeks away from Christmas and the Jets are hoping to soon have a 400-yard receiver.
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& with Geno Smith's help, they'll get that 400 yard receiver :)

 
fantasycurse42 said:
Adam Harstad said:
Mr. Irrelevant said:
Dear 2014 Mr. Irrelevant,

Enough with drafting mediocre #1 WRs on teams with bad QBs and/or bad OCs simply because "someone has to catch the ball". You will see Dwayne Bowe still sitting there in the 8th round or Santonio Holmes in the 10th and think, "Wow, I can snag a team's #1 receiving option for next to nothing right here! What value!" Do not be tempted.
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2014 Mr. Irrelevant, if you're still in need of further convincing, consider that we're two weeks away from Christmas and the Jets are hoping to soon have a 400-yard receiver.
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& with Geno Smith's help, they'll get that 400 yard receiver :)
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But if Geno has anything to do with it, it will be the wrong receiver

 
jurb26 said:
Late225 said:
Chris Johnson

Next year, we are going to look at the overall rankings and see that he was around RB 10-20 at the end of the year. I think I had him benched for his two huge games this year. He was borderline droppable at some point this season. He doesn't get goalline touches and it drives me insane every time I see someone like Shonne Greene vulture a touchdown from CJ. I say this every year, but a play in preseason always gets me excited. I thought the improved line would help. Nope. Nope. Nope. I can't draft him again.
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The guy is RB7. How bad can it really be?
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I've never made the playoffs on a team with Chris Johnson. This may be a cumulative effect, but its not fun with him on your team.

 
Late225 said:
Future Self, don't feel forced to take 2 running backs in the first few rounds. Every year, someone gets hurt, just work the waiver wire. Also, make sure you can log in to your league quick and help yourself out and get up early on Sunday to watch pregame and Twitter. You'll eventually find a starter.
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I worked the wire this year in a redraft. Eventually I ended up with Donald Brown, Andre Brown and Shane Vereen.

Also ended up with the 2nd most points scored and out of the playoffs. :wall:

 
Late225 said:
jurb26 said:
Late225 said:
Chris Johnson

Next year, we are going to look at the overall rankings and see that he was around RB 10-20 at the end of the year. I think I had him benched for his two huge games this year. He was borderline droppable at some point this season. He doesn't get goalline touches and it drives me insane every time I see someone like Shonne Greene vulture a touchdown from CJ. I say this every year, but a play in preseason always gets me excited. I thought the improved line would help. Nope. Nope. Nope. I can't draft him again.
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The guy is RB7. How bad can it really be?
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I've never made the playoffs on a team with Chris Johnson. This may be a cumulative effect, but its not fun with him on your team.
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I've got him in 2 leagues this year. Made the playoffs in both. Got to the second round of both as well. :shrug:

 
always follow VBD tenets. avoid no one. everyone has value. rank those you would prefer to avoid appropriately, and you will most likely avoid them anyway. don't follow the crowds on the preseason hype trains. identify a few sleepers you are targeting and bump them up your VBD list and snare them early. let the draft come to you. watch others panic on positional runs as you start a new one. don't be discouraged by your draft, you will have many opportunities to work the wire and deal to a position of strength. always play nice during trade talks. you never know when a too-good-to-be-true deal falls into your lap. follow the golden rule, and you'll be rewarded.

 
Redraft-

TY Hilton- roller coaster

Marshawn Lynch- too much Turbin plus Harvin

Giants receivers not named Cruz

more later...

 
pizzatyme said:
Redraft-

TY Hilton- roller coaster

Marshawn Lynch- too much Turbin plus Harvin

Giants receivers not named Cruz

more later...
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TY isn't a #1. Got me a whopping .7 points yesterday. He should be a good low-end #2 most weeks next season.

I love Rueben Randle for next year and beyond. Nicks will probably be playing elsewhere.

Lynch is nearing the end. Extremely physical backs don't last as long. He should still be good next year, but his value will be less than his draft spot.

 
Mr. Irrelevant said:
Enough with drafting mediocre #1 WRs on teams with bad QBs and/or bad OCs simply because "someone has to catch the ball". You will see Dwayne Bowe still sitting there in the 8th round or Santonio Holmes in the 10th and think, "Wow, I can snag a team's #1 receiving option for next to nothing right here! What value!" Do not be tempted.
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By that same token, if the Vikes go out and get themselves a real QB, I am buying Cordarelle Patterson big time.

 
The Carolina Panthers do not have running backs. They have a conglomerate of bodies that Cam is obligated to give the ball to 5 to 10 times a game.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
As August of next year rolls around and we all get ready to begin our drafts again, the excitement overtakes the previous years frustration. While 2013 is still fresh in everyone's mind, we should have a list of guys to avoid and why, NO MATTER HOW EXCITED WE GET ABOUT A FEW PRESEASON RUNS, CATCHES, OR THROWS!

Dear 2014 FC42,

You need to avoid the following players!!

Ray Rice - Pierce will be taking on more of the load in 2014... On top of that, combining these two guys equals one RB2. He should not be more than anyone's flex. Avoid Pierce as well.

Trent Richardson - There will def be a lot of excitement about him next year, it is almost guaranteed! He will prob report to camp "in better shape than ever & hungry to prove himself." Don't listen, just keep the fact that Donald Brown is ahead of him in 2013 fresh in your mind!

Julio Jones - While predicting injury is impossible, avoiding people with chronic conditions helps limit the odds - His foot has now become this. Which brings me to...

Rob Gronkowski - I'm sure he will be rehabbing and running as fluid as people have seen him. While he is certainly one of the most freakish and talented guys in the NFL, he has now missed the fantasy playoffs in back to back seasons!! He broke his forearm on an PAT! Please please please don't do it to yourself again no matter how tempted you are!

CJ Spiller - Another guy everyone will probably be all gung-ho about! He needs to be avoided - Let someone else use a first rounder on him... He is not worth it!!

I am sure there are a lot others, but this for me will be a reminder of guys I should not draft in 2014 no matter how tempted I might be & no matter how quickly they reclimb the rankings...

Please add to this list while it is still fresh in your mind!
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+ David Wilson, Kaepernick, Victor Cruz (barring QB change), etc

I think more than anything as far as what I want to remember is that if you want to win and not just compete, you absolutely have to focus on the true difference makers at their position. Guys like Brees, Calvin, McCoy, Peterson, Graham are the guys that will win your league. Overdraft them. Take them earlier than anyone ever would. Accept bad value. I took Brees third overall in a league and got laughed at. I got a bye and am the highest scoring team in the league going into round 2.

Every year, "value" is by far the most overvalued aspect of fantasy success. Getting some unremarkable player in round 9 isn't going to win you anything.

 
Clifford said:
fantasycurse42 said:
As August of next year rolls around and we all get ready to begin our drafts again, the excitement overtakes the previous years frustration. While 2013 is still fresh in everyone's mind, we should have a list of guys to avoid and why, NO MATTER HOW EXCITED WE GET ABOUT A FEW PRESEASON RUNS, CATCHES, OR THROWS!

Dear 2014 FC42,

You need to avoid the following players!!

Ray Rice - Pierce will be taking on more of the load in 2014... On top of that, combining these two guys equals one RB2. He should not be more than anyone's flex. Avoid Pierce as well.

Trent Richardson - There will def be a lot of excitement about him next year, it is almost guaranteed! He will prob report to camp "in better shape than ever & hungry to prove himself." Don't listen, just keep the fact that Donald Brown is ahead of him in 2013 fresh in your mind!

Julio Jones - While predicting injury is impossible, avoiding people with chronic conditions helps limit the odds - His foot has now become this. Which brings me to...

Rob Gronkowski - I'm sure he will be rehabbing and running as fluid as people have seen him. While he is certainly one of the most freakish and talented guys in the NFL, he has now missed the fantasy playoffs in back to back seasons!! He broke his forearm on an PAT! Please please please don't do it to yourself again no matter how tempted you are!

CJ Spiller - Another guy everyone will probably be all gung-ho about! He needs to be avoided - Let someone else use a first rounder on him... He is not worth it!!

I am sure there are a lot others, but this for me will be a reminder of guys I should not draft in 2014 no matter how tempted I might be & no matter how quickly they reclimb the rankings...

Please add to this list while it is still fresh in your mind!
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+ David Wilson, Kaepernick, Victor Cruz (barring QB change), etc

I think more than anything as far as what I want to remember is that if you want to win and not just compete, you absolutely have to focus on the true difference makers at their position. Guys like Brees, Calvin, McCoy, Peterson, Graham are the guys that will win your league. Overdraft them. Take them earlier than anyone ever would. Accept bad value. I took Brees third overall in a league and got laughed at. I got a bye and am the highest scoring team in the league going into round 2.

Every year, "value" is by far the most overvalued aspect of fantasy success. Getting some unremarkable player in round 9 isn't going to win you anything.
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agreed i saw someone say o well i'd take t-rich in round 9... t-rich in round 9 would still be putting up a brutal stat line

 
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Raiderfan32904 said:
always follow VBD tenets. avoid no one. everyone has value. rank those you would prefer to avoid appropriately, and you will most likely avoid them anyway. don't follow the crowds on the preseason hype trains. identify a few sleepers you are targeting and bump them up your VBD list and snare them early. let the draft come to you. watch others panic on positional runs as you start a new one. don't be discouraged by your draft, you will have many opportunities to work the wire and deal to a position of strength. always play nice during trade talks. you never know when a too-good-to-be-true deal falls into your lap. follow the golden rule, and you'll be rewarded.
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No one has value during the draft. Everyone has perceived value. Whoever gets the perceived value closest to actual value when drafting usually wins.

 
Dear Mr. 2014 FUBAR,

Remember to differentiate between your best-ball and normal leagues draft lists. Big play guys are fine in best-ball but create heartache in normal leagues.

Your friend,

2013 FUBAR

 
Kenny Britt - he'll end up with a new team and you'll hear reports out of camp that he's "looking like his old self" and "really turning heads" and maybe even "catching most passes", but don't believe it. He's not a sleeper pick. He's still Kenny Britt. Avoid.

 
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