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Deamon

Deamon

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So here's the issue...

In one of my leagues we stop all waivers at beginning of week 13 (Playoffs start week 14). No players may be added or dropped after this date, and this has always been the rule in this league. One owner in one of the semifinals has RODGERS and MCNABB as his qbs, and just realized tonight that he had no qb to start and is upset about it and wanting to make an exception.

So the question is, does the commissioner give him a qb, or must he play the week without a qb. I'm not asking to debate whether or not stopping waivers at week 13 is a good rule or not... just what should be done about this situation. Thanks!

 
In my league, if we ever run into a situation where through bye weeks and/or injuries, you cannot start a player at a position, you are allowed to pick one up for a minimum of a $5 faab bid and drop someone to make room.

That said, this would NOT fall under our rule because he DOES have an active QB he can start in McNabb. Doesn't matter if he's the backup, just that he's active.

 
Not really anything to debate. It is a bummer, but they are the rules. You might want to think about changing your rules in the offseason, but as for this weekend - he is out of luck.

 
I get the rules, but that is kind of harsh. I have always found that most people like the spirit of the battle. With that in mind, I would send something out to the league asking if it acceptable. You may be surprised if everyone is okay with it. If I were in your league, I would say pick up a QB.. even if I was playing a guy. I certainly wouldn't want to win over a technicality like not having a QB...

As a commish I tend to toss things to my league to vote on. Avoids being a dictator and most people like that.

 
The rules are the rules; no pickups after week 13. McNabb getting benched was predictable, so it's his own fault for failing to pick up Grossman or one of the half-dozen starting QBs who must be on the waiver wire.

 
Deamon said:
So here's the issue...In one of my leagues we stop all waivers at beginning of week 13 (Playoffs start week 14). No players may be added or dropped after this date, and this has always been the rule in this league. One owner in one of the semifinals has RODGERS and MCNABB as his qbs, and just realized tonight that he had no qb to start and is upset about it and wanting to make an exception.So the question is, does the commissioner give him a qb, or must he play the week without a qb. I'm not asking to debate whether or not stopping waivers at week 13 is a good rule or not... just what should be done about this situation. Thanks!
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My league has the exact same rules. No pickups starting week 13. I have McNabb and Rodgers and picked up Flynn just in case. My opponent decided to roll into the playoffs with just one PK, Prater. I would not be happy if my commish says he gets to pick up another kicker. My strategy would have been completely different if we can make pickups if we lose players.
 
Probably one of the worst rules I have ever seen, but THE RULES ARE THE RULES. Change them for next year, after the season is over.

Deamon said:
So here's the issue...

In one of my leagues we stop all waivers at beginning of week 13 (Playoffs start week 14). No players may be added or dropped after this date, and this has always been the rule in this league. One owner in one of the semifinals has RODGERS and MCNABB as his qbs, and just realized tonight that he had no qb to start and is upset about it and wanting to make an exception.

So the question is, does the commissioner give him a qb, or must he play the week without a qb. I'm not asking to debate whether or not stopping waivers at week 13 is a good rule or not... just what should be done about this situation. Thanks!
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I don't love the rule, but if you know what it is you make plans accordingly. There were rumors McNabb would get benched earlier in the year. I think, knowing that, you make room for Flynn or Grossman just in case. That owner didn't, so they suffer.

It's not like the rule was put in place last week. No reason to try and accommodate their need when they ignored the possibility earlier.

 
Lesson learned by the owner. I have been playing a long time, only in the last few years have I realized that the thinking, I am okay at QB (or insert any position here), I don't need to pick up the fine looking waiver wire player. In other words, be prepared, I would be Kerry Collins was available to him or someone else. Whoops...

 
IMO, the only way to change a rule mid-season is with 100% agreement. If every owner agreed to let him get a new QB, I say let him. It's your league. But, otherwise the rule is clear. sorry 'bro.

 
Saint said:
As a commish I tend to toss things to my league to vote on. Avoids being a dictator and most people like that.
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I have found it's much better to do this in the off season. Apart from a "once in a decade" calamity (which this incident isn't), we ride the rules/settings we have until the season is over. Then we do the tweaking before the next season starts.
 
What good are rules if you're not going to follow them? Tough break for that particular owner, but dem's the breaks. If you don't like the rules vote to change them NEXT YEAR.

 
Deamon said:
So here's the issue...In one of my leagues we stop all waivers at beginning of week 13 (Playoffs start week 14). No players may be added or dropped after this date, and this has always been the rule in this league. One owner in one of the semifinals has RODGERS and MCNABB as his qbs, and just realized tonight that he had no qb to start and is upset about it and wanting to make an exception.So the question is, does the commissioner give him a qb, or must he play the week without a qb. I'm not asking to debate whether or not stopping waivers at week 13 is a good rule or not... just what should be done about this situation. Thanks!
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No way he gets to add a QB.
 
Deamon said:
So here's the issue...In one of my leagues we stop all waivers at beginning of week 13 (Playoffs start week 14). No players may be added or dropped after this date, and this has always been the rule in this league. One owner in one of the semifinals has RODGERS and MCNABB as his qbs, and just realized tonight that he had no qb to start and is upset about it and wanting to make an exception.So the question is, does the commissioner give him a qb, or must he play the week without a qb. I'm not asking to debate whether or not stopping waivers at week 13 is a good rule or not... just what should be done about this situation. Thanks!
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Sorry, but I think he has to play with no QB. Rules are the rules, he should have prepared.
 
Deamon said:
So here's the issue...In one of my leagues we stop all waivers at beginning of week 13 (Playoffs start week 14). No players may be added or dropped after this date, and this has always been the rule in this league. One owner in one of the semifinals has RODGERS and MCNABB as his qbs, and just realized tonight that he had no qb to start and is upset about it and wanting to make an exception.So the question is, does the commissioner give him a qb, or must he play the week without a qb. I'm not asking to debate whether or not stopping waivers at week 13 is a good rule or not... just what should be done about this situation. Thanks!
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The guy got an advantage at another position by having an extra roster spot for an extra RB/WR and had one of those guys go down he could have leveraged that advantage. A week 13 pick up rule is pretty generous and allows you to pretty much streamline your team to where you are just CYA. The guy has only himself and Shanahan to blame.
 
if you can look at this situation and say its fair and sleep with yourself at night and the other guy he's playing can do that then you have your answer and its all about what hammurabi would do to be evenhanded and fair but if his opponent is ok with him picking up a qb for the game then you should let it go in the spirit of christmas and the season.

 
habsfan said:
Saint said:
As a commish I tend to toss things to my league to vote on. Avoids being a dictator and most people like that.
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I have found it's much better to do this in the off season. Apart from a "once in a decade" calamity (which this incident isn't), we ride the rules/settings we have until the season is over. Then we do the tweaking before the next season starts.
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This is probably the first time in the league history where a guy's 2 QBs go down in the same week... One is a benching that came as a surprise move. Now if you had known this had happened, you would probably already have it in the rules, but to say nah nah too bad and not even give it up to a league vote, that would bite to lose on a technicality that was never thought of. I agree rule changes should be in the off season, but when something unexpected that had never happened before in league history, well I think you need to allow the league to make the call and not be overly rigid. I never understood the whole locking of waivers at a certain week. Injuries can happen anywhere. Just seems pointless.
 
FUBAR said:
IMO, the only way to change a rule mid-season is with 100% agreement. If every owner agreed to let him get a new QB, I say let him. It's your league. But, otherwise the rule is clear. sorry 'bro.
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Yea. This.It's not even as though this was completely out of the blue. How do you NOT at least pick up Flynn this week?
 
He cannot pick up a QB.

On a related note, all 4 of my QBs in the FBG contest are hurt/benched this week. Can I pick up another. ;)

 
He doesn't have to play without a QB. He has to play with McNabb as his QB. McNabb is listed as the backup this week and if something should happen to Grossman then McNabb will be in there.

As others have said, it's too late to change it now but for next year either expand the rosters or allow pickups during the post season. Maybe only allow pickups for injured players so if he would want to pick up a QB he'd have to drop Rodgers. That's his penalty for not being prepared.

 
Utter Chaos said:
He doesn't have to play without a QB. He has to play with McNabb as his QB. McNabb is listed as the backup this week and if something should happen to Grossman then McNabb will be in there.As others have said, it's too late to change it now but for next year either expand the rosters or allow pickups during the post season. Maybe only allow pickups for injured players so if he would want to pick up a QB he'd have to drop Rodgers. That's his penalty for not being prepared.
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Actually looks like McNabb is going to be the emergency QB.........still doesn't matter here. Play the guys who are on your roster.
 
Utter Chaos said:
He doesn't have to play without a QB. He has to play with McNabb as his QB. McNabb is listed as the backup this week and if something should happen to Grossman then McNabb will be in there.

As others have said, it's too late to change it now but for next year either expand the rosters or allow pickups during the post season. Maybe only allow pickups for injured players so if he would want to pick up a QB he'd have to drop Rodgers. That's his penalty for not being prepared.
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This is what we are allowed to do in our League; drop an injured player after roster lock going into the playoffs. This at least gives an owner an option in the case of injury. Seems to me if he wants to drop Rodgers (if this is a Dynasty League) then maybe there could be an exception with a penalty (the loss of Rodgers); otherwise he plays McNabb as stated above.How nice would it be to have the 1st pick in the 2011 rookie/FA draft if that was the case?

 
ScottyDog said:
Probably one of the worst rules I have ever seen, but THE RULES ARE THE RULES. Change them for next year, after the season is over.

Deamon said:
So here's the issue...

In one of my leagues we stop all waivers at beginning of week 13 (Playoffs start week 14). No players may be added or dropped after this date, and this has always been the rule in this league. One owner in one of the semifinals has RODGERS and MCNABB as his qbs, and just realized tonight that he had no qb to start and is upset about it and wanting to make an exception.

So the question is, does the commissioner give him a qb, or must he play the week without a qb. I'm not asking to debate whether or not stopping waivers at week 13 is a good rule or not... just what should be done about this situation. Thanks!
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:goodposting:
 
What's the point of even having this dumb rule if you're not going to enforce it in this exact situation?

 
Deamon said:
So here's the issue...In one of my leagues we stop all waivers at beginning of week 13 (Playoffs start week 14). No players may be added or dropped after this date, and this has always been the rule in this league. One owner in one of the semifinals has RODGERS and MCNABB as his qbs, and just realized tonight that he had no qb to start and is upset about it and wanting to make an exception.So the question is, does the commissioner give him a qb, or must he play the week without a qb. I'm not asking to debate whether or not stopping waivers at week 13 is a good rule or not... just what should be done about this situation. Thanks!
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This is why closing FA is dumb. Should at least have an injury caveat.
 
Our league has this rule and I once lost 2 Kickers for the semifinal. I still made it to the final but lost when Vanderjagt had 6 FG's and I still had no kicker.

It SUCKED but I never asked for an exemption. I did propose a rules change in the offseason which was shot down. We still have this stupid rule but you have to prepare your roster for it.

 
Philo said:
What's the point of even having this dumb rule if you're not going to enforce it in this exact situation?
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It's possible that no one ever knew this rule existed before. In that case it's quite reasonable to say "Hey, this makes no sense. Lets overrule it." Then if all the owners agree, you overturn it midseason.I doubt that's the case here, but it would be a case where overturning the rule makes sense. I'm sure there are a lot of rules that many owners dont even know about in their own leagues until they take affect.
 
Deamon said:
So here's the issue...In one of my leagues we stop all waivers at beginning of week 13 (Playoffs start week 14). No players may be added or dropped after this date, and this has always been the rule in this league. One owner in one of the semifinals has RODGERS and MCNABB as his qbs, and just realized tonight that he had no qb to start and is upset about it and wanting to make an exception.So the question is, does the commissioner give him a qb, or must he play the week without a qb. I'm not asking to debate whether or not stopping waivers at week 13 is a good rule or not... just what should be done about this situation. Thanks!
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Knowing the rules, he should have picked up a third QB before week 13 to be safe. It's on him. He took a chance and he lost.
 
just another case of people not looking ahead . . .

McNabb has been criticized by Shanahan and your other QB can always get hurt . . .

yes it's a silly rule but its a rule - deal with it and plan accordingly, and don't be so shortsighted and then ask for an exception . . .

 
He didn't exactly go unprepared; dood had 2 starting QBs on his roster when he tripped past the deadline. Without knowing how many roster spots there are, I'm not sure I'd say he was unprepared.

OTOH, I do think that's one of the dumbest rules I've seen.

Given that he'd already asked, I would have put it up for a league vote. It'd have to 100% to allow, but it's not unreasonable to vote on something like that.

Now, I have heard guys talk about leagues with lots of roster spots and NO roster changes - you have to play who you drafted the entire year. That's a different animal, though, IMO.

 
MikeHeel said:
He didn't exactly go unprepared; dood had 2 starting QBs on his roster when he tripped past the deadline. Without knowing how many roster spots there are, I'm not sure I'd say he was unprepared. OTOH, I do think that's one of the dumbest rules I've seen. Given that he'd already asked, I would have put it up for a league vote. It'd have to 100% to allow, but it's not unreasonable to vote on something like that. Now, I have heard guys talk about leagues with lots of roster spots and NO roster changes - you have to play who you drafted the entire year. That's a different animal, though, IMO.
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we can agree to disagree - Mcnabb was a candidate to be pulled at any time, he shouldve gotten rid of him and replaced him with a guy with a firmer hold on the position - it's tough given the restrictions that the rule applies but it can be done . . .even if your argument is that he was 'prepared' he still shouldnt ask for an exception to the rule midseason . . . deal with the rule now and change it in the offseason . . .
 
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