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Please let Barry break the record tonight.... (1 Viewer)
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The Man from Laramie
Footballguy
I will be at the Padres game Saturday. I wouldn't mind seeing history*.
It would also be fun to lead the boo birds.
It would also be fun to lead the boo birds.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
If it happens at an away stadium, I would love to see the fans turn their backs and remain silent when he trots the bases.
JaxBill
Footballguy
With a day game Sunday, which game will he sit out?
And that will never happen. Even in LA everyone is standing and taking pictures. History matters no matter how you think a person gets there. yes there will be boos but I am willing to bet that the crowd will also clap for seeing history
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
dparker713
Footballguy
If he isnt going to have a catastrophic injury that would prevent him from ever playing again, or get indicted, than I too would prefer this happen sooner rather than later.
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
Congrats on seeing history. Too bad the boo birds were drowned out by the roar of the crowd when he hit it. You could hear a few boos when he rounded third...but you would have thought he was in San Fran for the first 20 seconds of that shot. Crack....Whooaaa!! Yeeeaaaahhh!!! Woooo!!!! Oh, wait. Ummm, boooo? Nah....Yeeeaaahhh!!!!If there were boos...they were totally drowned out for all but about 5 seconds in between the huge roar at first and the applause that followed the HR.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
ESPN2 feed. They replayed it about 800 times.EDIT: To add that I thought the crowd reacted perfectly. A big roar at first. Excited to see the shot. Then some boos when they realized that it was Bonds they were cheering. Then some applause and some boos at the end. Completed by the dozens of * signs in left when he went back out to the field. Perfect.What game were you watching?
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
I think your interpretation of how the crowd reacted is juuuuu-u-u-st a bit of a reach. That was as underwhelming and mixed a reaction as you'll ever get from this kind of a record being broken. Anyone else under any other circumstances, and it would've been an absolute zoo.ESPN2 feed. They replayed it about 800 times.
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
LOL at the shot of Bud Selig they just showed. Hands in his pockets. No smile. Classic.
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
Exactly what you expected, no? Not the "complete embarrassment" that some were predicting.I think your interpretation of how the crowd reacted is juuuuu-u-u-st a bit of a reach. That was as underwhelming and mixed a reaction as you'll ever get from this kind of a record being broken. Anyone else under any other circumstances, and it would've been an absolute zoo.ESPN2 feed. They replayed it about 800 times.What game were you watching?
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Nice steroid commercial there.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Precisely what was expected, I think, by most. Which is why I don't understand what makes you all giddy about their reaction. Pretty underwhelming/unmemorable, if you ask me.Exactly what you expected, no? Not the "complete embarrassment" that some were predicting.I think your interpretation of how the crowd reacted is juuuuu-u-u-st a bit of a reach. That was as underwhelming and mixed a reaction as you'll ever get from this kind of a record being broken. Anyone else under any other circumstances, and it would've been an absolute zoo.ESPN2 feed. They replayed it about 800 times.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Bud is a ### and he just proved it. How can you be the commish of the era and then not understand the greatness of a player whom just tied a record? To me Bud is going to be the one who is looked at that did not have class when the Bonds homerun was hit. San Diego fans acted with class to bad the commish could not do the same.
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
History was made by one of the greatest players of all-time. The crowd reacted appropriately. I'm excited. Can't wait for 756.Precisely what was expected, I think, by most. Which is why I don't understand what makes you all giddy about their reaction. Pretty underwhelming/unmemorable, if you ask me.Exactly what you expected, no? Not the "complete embarrassment" that some were predicting.I think your interpretation of how the crowd reacted is juuuuu-u-u-st a bit of a reach. That was as underwhelming and mixed a reaction as you'll ever get from this kind of a record being broken. Anyone else under any other circumstances, and it would've been an absolute zoo.ESPN2 feed. They replayed it about 800 times.What game were you watching?
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
Say what you want about Bonds...Bud and Hank Aaron have handled this terribly in my mind. Hank comes off as a bitter old man that doesn't want "his" record broken. And Bud is as guilty as any of the players for the 'steroid era'. Come down from your high horse, guys. It's a number. It doesn't diminish what Aaron did.
JaxBill
Footballguy
I can't stand Bonds but I agree with you about Selig. He had to make up his mind coming into this season what he would do about Bonds and he never seems to have done that. Bud, either the record's real or it's not, pi$$ or get off the pot. As far as Aaron, I dunno. He went thru so much off-field stuff, I have to give him the benefit of the doubt. Yeah, he's a bitter old man. But I think that has more to do with life in general than Bonds.
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bostonfred
Footballguy
I'm not only not watching Giants games, I'm not watching ESPN until this #### is over. #### bonds.
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
cobalt_27
Footballguy
You find a lot of validation in thinking this, don't you?Awesome. It takes a great, GREAT player to bring out those reactions.
I am sure he feels no more of a validation than you do? You have your thoughts on it and while I disagree with you, its great to see the passion that people have towards baseball.You find a lot of validation in thinking this, don't you?
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
Validation of what? I've hated 3 athletes in my lifetime. Guess what? They are all going to the hall of fame no matter how big of douchebags or cheaters I think they were. Same with Bonds. You don't hate a guy that's no good. I think the overreaction that people have about Bonds is hysterical. It's baseball. It's a number. It's a record. He didn't have sex with your wife. He didn't hit your kid in the face. He's a baseball player. Get over it.You find a lot of validation in thinking this, don't you?Awesome. It takes a great, GREAT player to bring out those reactions.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Umm...I don't know where you come up with this. Off the top of my head, I hate these guys who aren't all that good...John RockerYou don't hate a guy that's no good.You find a lot of validation in thinking this, don't you?Awesome. It takes a great, GREAT player to bring out those reactions.
Albert Haynesworth
Chris Simon
Darius Kasparaitis
A. J. Pierzynski
Elijah Dukes
Adam Jones
Guys I totally admire:
Marvin Harrison
Peyton Manning
Tiger Woods
Ladanian Tomlinson
Etc., etc...
Hating on Bonds has nothing to do with his talent. It has everything to do with the fact that he's a first-grade ###hole and the record he will hold soon is a total fraud (much like Caminiti's MVP; same with Giambi). But, let's not get too carried away with your pop psychology theory on why we hate Bonds. It has nothing to do with being good.
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
I think you need to scale back on the hate a little bit. It's entertainment. They aren't after your job or your wife. Well, maybe Pierzynski is...cobalt_27 said:Umm...I don't know where you come up with this. Off the top of my head, I hate these guys who aren't all that good...John RockerTough As Nails said:You don't hate a guy that's no good.cobalt_27 said:You find a lot of validation in thinking this, don't you?Tough As Nails said:bostonfred said:Awesome. It takes a great, GREAT player to bring out those reactions.
Albert Haynesworth
Chris Simon
Darius Kasparaitis
A. J. Pierzynski
Elijah Dukes
Adam Jones
Guys I totally admire:
Marvin Harrison
Peyton Manning
Tiger Woods
Ladanian Tomlinson
Etc., etc...
Hating on Bonds has nothing to do with his talent. It has everything to do with the fact that he's a first-grade ###hole and the record he will hold soon is a total fraud (much like Caminiti's MVP; same with Giambi). But, let's not get too carried away with your pop psychology theory on why we hate Bonds. It has nothing to do with being good.
The Man from Laramie
Footballguy
This is a fairly accurate depiction of what it was like. There were tons of Giants fans there. And not to ruffle any feathers, but the Padres fans as a whole weren't exactly hardcore (after the game, one guy was holding up his asterisk sign and I heard someone at a bar say "I keep seeing those. Is that some kind of Yankees thing?"When he hit it, I wound up not booing. I kind of froze, and thought about how much less that record means now, and saw Aaron rounding the bases being congratulated by two Atlanta fans in my head. Thought about what I would have thought when I was 8 years old if you told me I would one day see the HR that tied Hank Aaron's record. Not quite the moment I would have imagined.
After Bonds crossed home plate he grabbed someone his son and just bear hugged him, picking him up off the ground, it looked like with one arm. I guess that's the perfect juxtaposition: Aaron congratulated by fans, and Bonds letting out his emotions with another player his son in uniform. Bonds doesn't know what it's like to be a fan because his father was a player, so he's always been on the inside. He's made comments before about steroids or the strike or something that were like "there will always be people there to watch baseball games." He just isn't able to put into context why fans react the way they do to his antics, writing it off as jealousy and traditionalism. Maybe one thing that irks us so about Bonds is that he reminds us that the players are really in their own fantasy world, and to some degree most of them are probably unlikeable and don't understand the fans' feelings towards the game. They're high school athletes who have never had to grow up, and Bonds is the most egregious of all.
Oh well. I'm glad I was there, but it was a bit on the weird side.
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It was his son that he hugged...
The Man from Laramie
Footballguy
True... Was just correcting this minor mistake in a quality response...
Probably the best article that sums up how I feel.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/stories...en.34a679f.html
Buck Harvey: A milestone - When Bonds gets a break
Web Posted: 08/06/2007 05:01 PM CDT
Buck Harvey
San Antonio Express-News
Bud Selig didn't know what to do Saturday night. The baseball rose toward left field, and Selig froze as if he had been, well, injected with something.
Cameras were on him, and he knew that. But Selig didn't clap, he didn't smile, he didn't nod. With an awkward pose, Selig reacted as if Barry Bonds had done something for the first time instead of the 755th.
Selig didn't have a plan, which is fitting. Selig and baseball didn't have one when it came to steroids, either. The sport let this happen, when track and field had a bead on illegal drugs two decades ago, and that's why Bonds isn't the villain so many say he is.
Bonds simply did what baseball players have done for generations. He used an available edge.
Make no mistake. It's almost certain Bonds took a series of enhancements stronger than flaxseed oil, and it's obvious without a lab test that he's been a jerk. Some athletes try to hide the sour side; Bonds sometimes flaunts his.
It's this combination that has made it so easy to turn him into pure evil. He "pierces the soul of baseball," as one sportswriter put it recently, and others use more common words. "Cheat" and "liar" are among them, and they are not inaccurate.
But somewhere in this morality play a few things get lost. One is Bonds the ballplayer. Right or wrong, just or unjust, he is one of the best dozen players in the game's history.
These last few weeks only add to that. He didn't have to endure the raw prejudice that Hank Aaron faced. But to play under these conditions — with Selig, Aaron and so many cool to him — says something about his own mental toughness.
He's the premier player of this era, as tainted as this era may be. And that's why the San Diego crowd got it right Saturday. The fans acknowledged something special had happened.
Should Bonds be one swing from the record? No one thinks that, given the visual and statistical evidence. Still, every era comes with an asterisk.
Few hit homers in the dead-ball era, and no black man hit home runs in the Babe Ruth era. Night games changed the sport, as did greenies used to get up the next day. The slider is a modern invention, as is the middle reliever, set-up man and closer.
Aaron had something else on his side. He played about half of his career in an Atlanta ballpark nicknamed "The Launching Pad." He didn't cause this, but he used the edge nonetheless.
How much? In 1971, Aaron hit the most homers of his career, and 31 came at home and only 16 on the road.
Just as telling was 1973. Then, four National League players hit 40 or more home runs. Three of them were Braves. Aaron, in his final season of high home-run productivity, was only third on his team.
The Atlanta leader was Davey Johnson, a future manager with San Antonio roots. He hit 43 home runs and set a major-league record for second basemen. In his previous eight seasons with another team, Johnson had hit a combined 66.
Bonds, in contrast, plays in a ballpark that works against him. But few point this out because no one wants to give Bonds a break right now.
Bonds absorbs all negativity, and Alex Rodriguez proves that. He's been targeted in the tabloids for everything from infidelity to screaming behind opposing infielders on pop-ups. Yet now, after hitting 500 home runs faster than anyone in history, he gets a pass.
Is it coincidence he's on pace to pass Bonds when it took someone 33 years to catch Aaron? Most just want A-Rod to do it.
A-Rod may be clean, no matter what Jose Canseco suggests, but the era isn't. After all, the pitcher who gave up No. 755 to Bonds was suspended for using performance-enhancing substances while in the minor leagues in 2005.
Yet Bonds is still singled out, as if he's the only one, when he's just the best one. And if he hits 756 tonight, those outside of San Francisco will turn away and not acknowledge his greatness.
Selig, ever unsure, won't try to correct that. It's easier than admitting the truth.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/stories...en.34a679f.html
Buck Harvey: A milestone - When Bonds gets a break
Web Posted: 08/06/2007 05:01 PM CDT
Buck Harvey
San Antonio Express-News
Bud Selig didn't know what to do Saturday night. The baseball rose toward left field, and Selig froze as if he had been, well, injected with something.
Cameras were on him, and he knew that. But Selig didn't clap, he didn't smile, he didn't nod. With an awkward pose, Selig reacted as if Barry Bonds had done something for the first time instead of the 755th.
Selig didn't have a plan, which is fitting. Selig and baseball didn't have one when it came to steroids, either. The sport let this happen, when track and field had a bead on illegal drugs two decades ago, and that's why Bonds isn't the villain so many say he is.
Bonds simply did what baseball players have done for generations. He used an available edge.
Make no mistake. It's almost certain Bonds took a series of enhancements stronger than flaxseed oil, and it's obvious without a lab test that he's been a jerk. Some athletes try to hide the sour side; Bonds sometimes flaunts his.
It's this combination that has made it so easy to turn him into pure evil. He "pierces the soul of baseball," as one sportswriter put it recently, and others use more common words. "Cheat" and "liar" are among them, and they are not inaccurate.
But somewhere in this morality play a few things get lost. One is Bonds the ballplayer. Right or wrong, just or unjust, he is one of the best dozen players in the game's history.
These last few weeks only add to that. He didn't have to endure the raw prejudice that Hank Aaron faced. But to play under these conditions — with Selig, Aaron and so many cool to him — says something about his own mental toughness.
He's the premier player of this era, as tainted as this era may be. And that's why the San Diego crowd got it right Saturday. The fans acknowledged something special had happened.
Should Bonds be one swing from the record? No one thinks that, given the visual and statistical evidence. Still, every era comes with an asterisk.
Few hit homers in the dead-ball era, and no black man hit home runs in the Babe Ruth era. Night games changed the sport, as did greenies used to get up the next day. The slider is a modern invention, as is the middle reliever, set-up man and closer.
Aaron had something else on his side. He played about half of his career in an Atlanta ballpark nicknamed "The Launching Pad." He didn't cause this, but he used the edge nonetheless.
How much? In 1971, Aaron hit the most homers of his career, and 31 came at home and only 16 on the road.
Just as telling was 1973. Then, four National League players hit 40 or more home runs. Three of them were Braves. Aaron, in his final season of high home-run productivity, was only third on his team.
The Atlanta leader was Davey Johnson, a future manager with San Antonio roots. He hit 43 home runs and set a major-league record for second basemen. In his previous eight seasons with another team, Johnson had hit a combined 66.
Bonds, in contrast, plays in a ballpark that works against him. But few point this out because no one wants to give Bonds a break right now.
Bonds absorbs all negativity, and Alex Rodriguez proves that. He's been targeted in the tabloids for everything from infidelity to screaming behind opposing infielders on pop-ups. Yet now, after hitting 500 home runs faster than anyone in history, he gets a pass.
Is it coincidence he's on pace to pass Bonds when it took someone 33 years to catch Aaron? Most just want A-Rod to do it.
A-Rod may be clean, no matter what Jose Canseco suggests, but the era isn't. After all, the pitcher who gave up No. 755 to Bonds was suspended for using performance-enhancing substances while in the minor leagues in 2005.
Yet Bonds is still singled out, as if he's the only one, when he's just the best one. And if he hits 756 tonight, those outside of San Francisco will turn away and not acknowledge his greatness.
Selig, ever unsure, won't try to correct that. It's easier than admitting the truth.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Bonds might have been a great player without the steroids. We'll never know. As it is now, he's nothing but the face on the advertisement of a great chemist. Bonds himself has earned nothing in his career. We'll never know if he hit a single ball without cheating, and because he chose the dishonorable route of lying about it, we have no choice but to assume the worst. He's a liar and a cheat and a dislikable human being who accused my whole town of racism. Great? The guy's a turd. I wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire.Awesome. It takes a great, GREAT player to bring out those reactions.
Good article...
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
bostonfred said:Bonds might have been a great player without the steroids. We'll never know. As it is now, he's nothing but the face on the advertisement of a great chemist. Bonds himself has earned nothing in his career. We'll never know if he hit a single ball without cheating, and because he chose the dishonorable route of lying about it, we have no choice but to assume the worst. He's a liar and a cheat and a dislikable human being who accused my whole town of racism. Great? The guy's a turd. I wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire.Awesome. It takes a great, GREAT player to bring out those reactions.
He's one of about 500 athletes who have made that insinuation. It's not exactly an uncommon thing. It was just in the news AGAIN with the whole Garnett/Marion thing a few weeks back. You forgave Garnett pretty quickly I'll bet. To use that as a reason to hate Bonds is ridiculous. The liar/cheat/dislikable thing you can run with. I won't argue that. He probably is those things. He freaking fun to watch though. And it's fun to watch the reactions he brings out too. Oh...and he's a great baseball player. You can't argue it. It's fact. You can put an asterisk after it or follow that with a giant BUT... however, there's just no disputing that he's a great, great player.
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dparker713
Footballguy
He WAS a great great player. He is currently a shell of his former self that has absolutely no business playing in the field everyday.bostonfred said:Bonds might have been a great player without the steroids. We'll never know. As it is now, he's nothing but the face on the advertisement of a great chemist. Bonds himself has earned nothing in his career. We'll never know if he hit a single ball without cheating, and because he chose the dishonorable route of lying about it, we have no choice but to assume the worst. He's a liar and a cheat and a dislikable human being who accused my whole town of racism. Great? The guy's a turd. I wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire.
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
No major disagreement there. Though I would argue that putting him in left field as one of the bottom 5 defensive outfielders in the league isn't a problem considering he leads the league in OBP. He's still brings a lot more to the table than anybody else they'd stick out there. He's still a great hitter. Does that make him a great PLAYER? I don't know. I think so, but I'd listen to arguments on both sides. David Ortiz is a great player and he doesn't play the field. I think that makes Bonds a great player too.He WAS a great great player. He is currently a shell of his former self that has absolutely no business playing in the field everyday.bostonfred said:Bonds might have been a great player without the steroids. We'll never know. As it is now, he's nothing but the face on the advertisement of a great chemist. Bonds himself has earned nothing in his career. We'll never know if he hit a single ball without cheating, and because he chose the dishonorable route of lying about it, we have no choice but to assume the worst. He's a liar and a cheat and a dislikable human being who accused my whole town of racism. Great? The guy's a turd. I wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire.Awesome. It takes a great, GREAT player to bring out those reactions.
cheese
Footballguy
This is just rediculous. I'm not Bonds apologist, but seriously, you don't know if he hit a single ball without cheating? The guy was an MVP player with barely an ounce of muscle on his body. Even once everyone got on steroids, why was he so much more successful than everyone else who was on steroids? Bonds is a jerk. We all hate him. You don't need to sound foolish by questioning his baseball skills.If you are going to discredit everyone who ever cheated at all in the steroid era of baseball, good luck finding someone whos stats/ability you don't question.bostonfred said:Bonds might have been a great player without the steroids. We'll never know. As it is now, he's nothing but the face on the advertisement of a great chemist. Bonds himself has earned nothing in his career. We'll never know if he hit a single ball without cheating, and because he chose the dishonorable route of lying about it, we have no choice but to assume the worst. He's a liar and a cheat and a dislikable human being who accused my whole town of racism. Great? The guy's a turd. I wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire.Awesome. It takes a great, GREAT player to bring out those reactions.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
His WARP-1 this year is 5.4. That includes defense. Any player that can give you five wins by himself is pretty damn good. For comparison, A-Rod is at 7.2. Jeter is 5.7. David Ortiz is 4.9. Remember, Barry plays less games than these guys, so he contributes less wins--if he was on the field every day, he probably would be around A-Rod's level.Yeah, his FRAA is -7. But, obviously, that's included in WARP, and he's still among the best. I'll give up seven runs all day to get his level of offense.
Is Barry still the best player in baseball? Debatable...when he plays, he's among the best, that's for sure. To say he has absolutely no business playing in the field when he contributes that much is ludicrous. You just put him where he can do the least damage, and that's left field.
