Points Per 1st Down (1 Viewer)

[brooklyn49]

Current league is .5 PPR. Setting aside that this is a 2 QB league, the configuration is 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 WR/TE and 1 Flex which I believe values WR's. To give a boost to the RB and TE positions, I am considering adding points per rushing and receiving 1st downs to the scoring. I would like to hear what you think the value for a 1st down should be. Is it wise to make it the same .5 points as receptions?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

My home league added .1/1 for FD by unanimous vote.

Everyone agreed that a 1 yard run for a 1st should be more valuable than just getting 1 yard.

So now 1 yard run is worth .1 & a 1 yard 1st down is worth .2

I wouldn’t want them to be .5, because RB also get that .5 PPR - you’d just be creating a different imbalance swinging heavier towards RB.

 

[TheWinz]

You should do some research to see how your proposed changes affect (or effect, I get those mixed up) scoring. For example, here are some leaders at RB from last year:
Henry - 105 first downs
Robinson - 102 first downs
Gibbs - 95 first downs
Barkley - 94 first downs

Compare that to a few top WR's
Chase - 79 first downs
St. Brown - 74 first downs
London - 67 first downs
Jefferson - 62 first downs

Bowers and McBride were at 63 and 64, so your new scoring would bring TE's down compared to WR's, unless you weren't giving points to WR's for first downs.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

affect

This is the correct one for this context.

• Special effects. - noun
• That [action/thing/person] had that affect on me. - verb

 

[Raging weasel]

I added 1pt for first down two years ago but it was too much so reduced it to .5
I didn't realize that no matter the distance,you get credit for a first down when you score a TD.

 

[TheWinz]

affect

This is the correct one for this context.

• Special effects. - noun
• That [action/thing/person] had that affect on me. - verb

Thanx for clearing that up. It was very affective.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

affect

This is the correct one for this context.

• Special effects. - noun
• That [action/thing/person] had that affect on me. - verb

Thanx for clearing that up. It was very affective.

 

[eighsse2]

affect

This is the correct one for this context.

• Special effects. - noun
• That [action/thing/person] had that affect on me. - verb

If I'm understand what you're saying, this isn't quite right.
Well I guess maybe you're saying the right thing, but the second example sentence doesn't make sense.

Affect is a verb that means to cause a change to something else, or whatever. (So yes, that is the correct word for the OP.)
"The movie affected me deeply."

Effect is a noun that means the change that was caused.
"The movie had a deep effect on me."

(Effect can also be a verb that you use to say something was put into place or made to happen, or something. "This law will effect a better level of safety in our city." I'm not 100% sure if that's the type of context you would use it. I never use it, rarely see it.)

 

[TheWinz]

I feel like I'm back in grade school, getting whacked with a ruler

 

[acarey50]

You should do some research to see how your proposed changes affect (or effect, I get those mixed up) scoring. For example, here are some leaders at RB from last year:
Henry - 105 first downs
Robinson - 102 first downs
Gibbs - 95 first downs
Barkley - 94 first downs

Compare that to a few top WR's
Chase - 79 first downs
St. Brown - 74 first downs
London - 67 first downs
Jefferson - 62 first downs

Bowers and McBride were at 63 and 64, so your new scoring would bring TE's down compared to WR's, unless you weren't giving points to WR's for first downs.

It won't necessarily bring TEs down - value is derived from the difference in scoring across the position, so if Bowers/McBride had 20 more first downs than the 3rd best TE, it would drive the value of those two TEs up, depending on the point value associated, compared to other TEs. Though if I read the OP right, there isn't even a mandatory TE position, unless that was omitted, so really need to be lumping WR and TE together.

Where it would push TE down overall though is in the choice to make at the flex spots, but generally in non-TE premium, there aren't many cases where starting a TE at the flex makes a lot of sense for most rosters.

There are probably more effective ways to "balance" the positions, if that is the intent, such as going TE-premium or a graduated PPR system, or changing the WR/TE flex to just be an additional flex, otherwise this is basically a 2 RB/4WR league with a flex.

As others mentioned though, you can play around with the scoring settings and see what the outcome would have been in previous seasons to see if it gets you closer to your desired outcome.

 

[titusbramble]

This sort of scoring change seems like a change for the sake of making a change

 

[brooklyn49]

In one sense you are correct. However, after playing with the same configuration and scoring for many years, a slight modification can be energizing. Of course the exceptions are those owners who complain about any change. Still, I took to heart TheWinz's advice to do some macro level research. Using NFL 2024 statistics what I discovered is virtually no change to the total amount of points scoring per team regardless of PPR or FD. The significant change is in the distribution of points across positions and therefore strategy. As alluded to previously, my league's configuration employs Jake Ciely's "best league settings" from his 2020 article. 1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 WR/TE Flex, 1 Flex (RB/WR/TE), 1 Super-Flex, 1 D/ST.

In a .5 PPR league during a standard NFL week (no bye), filling the 2 flex positions is almost always going to be another WR. If in a bye week where a team doesn't have a 2nd QB to play, then a 3rd WR is statistically the best strategy. This configuration results in 72.2% of PPR going to WR; 6.3% to TE and 20.5% to RB. Total PPR points scored would be approximately 5.6/team/week
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A .5 points/1st Down league given the same standard scenario, yields an almost identical 5.6 points/team/week. However, the distribution by position changes such that roster decisions are not so clear cut. TE's are relatively unaffected contribution .24 rather than .35 points per week. However, QB's go from contribution virtually nothing to 15.5% of points scored (i.e. .06 to .86 points per week). The most significant impact is exactly where you would expect; WR vs RB. Whereas WR contribution was 72.2% of point contribution, it is now 42% or 1.2 point/wr/wk. RB are now valued at 1.7 points/RB/wk. or 38.2% or points contributed. Suddenly that one flex position is more likely to be a RB than a WR. On weeks that a 2nd QB can't fill the SupeFflex position, a WR is no longer the obvious choice.

SO WHAT! Aside from the week to week roster lineup decisions,. we come to draft day. In an auction draft, a 2 QB (1 QB + 1 SuperFlex) with .5 FD is likely to boost premium values. A quality RB and WR is always going to cost top dollar. However, at the margins, that RB3 may now be valued higher than the WR4. I ain't sure, so I am going to let Footballguys crunch the numbers for me. To my way of thinking, if PPR was introduced to acknowledge the rise of the passing game, then 1st Downs is a way to acknowledge the rise of the running QB as well as balance the relative value of RB's, TE's and WR's.

Thoughts?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

affect

This is the correct one for this context.

• Special effects. - noun
• That [action/thing/person] had that affect on me. - verb

If I'm understand what you're saying, this isn't quite right.
Well I guess maybe you're saying the right thing, but the second example sentence doesn't make sense.

Affect is a verb that means to cause a change to something else, or whatever. (So yes, that is the correct word for the OP.)
"The movie affected me deeply."

Effect is a noun that means the change that was caused.
"The movie had a deep effect on me."

(Effect can also be a verb that you use to say something was put into place or made to happen, or something. "This law will effect a better level of safety in our city." I'm not 100% sure if that's the type of context you would use it. I never use it, rarely see it.)

Effect can also be a verb , apparently.

A Few Rare Exceptions​

There are, however, a few relatively uncommon exceptions, and these are worth knowing about.

Effect can be a verb. As a verb, effect generally means "to cause to come into being" or "accomplish."

Today I learned…

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