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Seems like I start a thread like this every year. This year I have many issues. I am an accountant but not a CPA and I do not handle complex tax issues. I will deal with it on my own again if need be but it seems like it is such a grey area, I never know if what I am doing is 100% correct.

First off I am not trying to avoid paying any taxes that are owed. But knowing what I can legally deduct from winnings seems to be an issue. Second is that it seems to be that it might be in my best interest to set up a company to handle this. But again I am not sure. Does anyone have experience with this or do you know an accountant well versed in this area. Any help will be appreciated.

 
My understanding is if you get a W2-G (or maybe it's a 1099-G or Misc) you need to claim it and can claim losses up to that amount

Beyond that :shrug:

NOTE: Not A CPA

 
Seems like I start a thread like this every year. This year I have many issues. I am an accountant but not a CPA and I do not handle complex tax issues. I will deal with it on my own again if need be but it seems like it is such a grey area, I never know if what I am doing is 100% correct.

First off I am not trying to avoid paying any taxes that are owed. But knowing what I can legally deduct from winnings seems to be an issue. Second is that it seems to be that it might be in my best interest to set up a company to handle this. But again I am not sure. Does anyone have experience with this or do you know an accountant well versed in this area. Any help will be appreciated.
What kind of winnings? If you have a full time job besides gambling prepare to bend over. If you're a full time gambler you can deduct a lot.

 
Seems like I start a thread like this every year. This year I have many issues. I am an accountant but not a CPA and I do not handle complex tax issues. I will deal with it on my own again if need be but it seems like it is such a grey area, I never know if what I am doing is 100% correct.

First off I am not trying to avoid paying any taxes that are owed. But knowing what I can legally deduct from winnings seems to be an issue. Second is that it seems to be that it might be in my best interest to set up a company to handle this. But again I am not sure. Does anyone have experience with this or do you know an accountant well versed in this area. Any help will be appreciated.
What kind of winnings? If you have a full time job besides gambling prepare to bend over. If you're a full time gambler you can deduct a lot.
Yes I have a full time job, that is why I asked about opening a company for my poker/fantasy sports.

 
I will let one of the FFA CPAs handle this... Jackrod, et. al. are much more qualified to handle this type of question than I. :rolleyes:

 
My trip to Cherokee earlier this month. Got 140th in a tourney and made around 750, got 5th in a HORSE made about 2K no forms no big deal. Plus I lost on poker for the trip. Hit a 2700 jackpot on a slot, 1$ machine, 24$ a spin. Got a W2-G for 2700. Had 600 in it when it hit and blew 200 more before I left. (I did have them take the taxes out of the jackpot, it was over 600 in taxes)

 
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It's a hobby. Report it as income and deduct the expenses on Schedule A.
That is what I been doing but it is getting messed up? I spent 12K on FF this year in 2014, I will not get paid my 20K + until 2015, now what?
you spent 12k on fantasy football? Jesus Christ - are you going to fly to Utah and hunt Mike down personally?
No, FFPC 1350.00 (have 3K banked) 4 teams, Yahoo 600.00, 3 teams (1800 banked), Masters 10500.00, 70 teams (10500 banked) at this point. Plus the local leagues.

 
It's a hobby. Report it as income and deduct the expenses on Schedule A.
That is what I been doing but it is getting messed up? I spent 12K on FF this year in 2014, I will not get paid my 20K + until 2015, now what?
That's why people try to say it's a business and not a hobby. Hobby losses can't be carried forward but business losses can. If you are comfortable that it's a business if you get audited then do it that way.

The Internal Revenue Service reminds taxpayers to follow appropriate guidelines when determining whether an activity is a business or a hobby, an activity not engaged in for profit. In order to educate taxpayers regarding their filing obligations, this fact sheet, the eleventh in a series, explains the rules for determining if an activity qualifies as a business and what limitations apply if the activity is not a business. Incorrect deduction of hobby expenses account for a portion of the overstated adjustments, deductions, exemptions and credits that add up to $30 billion per year in unpaid taxes, according to IRS estimates. In general, taxpayers may deduct ordinary and necessary expenses for conducting a trade or business. An ordinary expense is an expense that is common and accepted in the taxpayer’s trade or business. A necessary expense is one that is appropriate for the business. Generally, an activity qualifies as a business if it is carried on with the reasonable expectation of earning a profit. In order to make this determination, taxpayers should consider the following factors:

  • Does the time and effort put into the activity indicate an intention to make a profit?
  • Does the taxpayer depend on income from the activity?
  • If there are losses, are they due to circumstances beyond the taxpayer’s control or did they occur in the start-up phase of the business?
  • Has the taxpayer changed methods of operation to improve profitability?
  • Does the taxpayer or his/her advisors have the knowledge needed to carry on the activity as a successful business?
  • Has the taxpayer made a profit in similar activities in the past?
  • Does the activity make a profit in some years?
  • Can the taxpayer expect to make a profit in the future from the appreciation of assets used in the activity?
The IRS presumes that an activity is carried on for profit if it makes a profit during at least three of the last five tax years, including the current year — at least two of the last seven years for activities that consist primarily of breeding, showing, training or racing horses.

If an activity is not for profit, losses from that activity may not be used to offset other income. An activity produces a loss when related expenses exceed income. The limit on not-for-profit losses applies to individuals, partnerships, estates, trusts, and S corporations. It does not apply to corporations other than S corporations.
 
Also, I think you have to look at the gambling separate from the fantasy sports. The gambling is straightforward. Winnings = Income. Losses go to Schedule A but are limited to winnings. And something about a 2% floor.

 
My trip to Cherokee earlier this month. Got 140th in a tourney and made around 750, got 5th in a HORSE made about 2K no forms no big deal. Plus I lost on poker for the trip. Hit a 2700 jackpot on a slot, 1$ machine, 24$ a spin. Got a W2-G for 2700. Had 600 in it when it hit and blew 200 more before I left. (I did have them take the taxes out of the jackpot, it was over 600 in taxes)
Do you have a casino "Players Club" card or something similar?

If so, you can get your whole won/loss statement to help verify losses to offset the reported $2700 win on the the W2-G.
IRS does not accept casino statements. It makes sense why.

 
My trip to Cherokee earlier this month. Got 140th in a tourney and made around 750, got 5th in a HORSE made about 2K no forms no big deal. Plus I lost on poker for the trip. Hit a 2700 jackpot on a slot, 1$ machine, 24$ a spin. Got a W2-G for 2700. Had 600 in it when it hit and blew 200 more before I left. (I did have them take the taxes out of the jackpot, it was over 600 in taxes)
Do you have a casino "Players Club" card or something similar?

If so, you can get your whole won/loss statement to help verify losses to offset the reported $2700 win on the the W2-G.
IRS does not accept casino statements. It makes sense why.
Weird. They'll accept a diary you create, though, based on that statement apparently.

http://www.irs.gov/publications/p529/ar02.html#en_US_2013_publink100026911

Diary of winnings and losses. You must keep an accurate diary or similar record of your losses and winnings.

Your diary should contain at least the following information.

  • The date and type of your specific wager or wagering activity.
  • The name and address or location of the gambling establishment.
  • The names of other persons present with you at the gambling establishment.
  • The amount(s) you won or lost.
Proof of winnings and losses. In addition to your diary, you should also have other documentation. You can generally prove your winnings and losses through Form W-2G, Certain Gambling Winnings, Form 5754, Statement by Person(s) Receiving Gambling Winnings, wagering tickets, canceled checks, substitute checks, credit records, bank withdrawals, and statements of actual winnings or payment slips provided to you by the gambling establishment.
I can give you an example why.

 
When I was in Cherokee, I started with 500............I lost my 500 and left the table after a few hours. I had 1200 in my pocket from playing. They didn't know.

I take all my double down and BJ winning and put them in my pocket.

 
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Topic 419 - Gambling Income and Losses

The following rules apply to casual gamblers. Gambling winnings are fully taxable and must be reported on your tax return. Gambling income includes, but is not limited to, winnings from lotteries, raffles, horse races, and casinos. It includes cash winnings and also the fair market value of prizes such as cars and trips. For additional information, refer to Publication 525, Taxable and Nontaxable Income.

A payer is required to issue you a Form W-2G (PDF), Certain Gambling Winnings, if you receive certain gambling winnings or if you have any gambling winnings subject to federal income tax withholding. All gambling winnings must be reported on your Form 1040 (PDF) as "Other Income" (line 21), including winnings that are not subject to withholding. In addition, you may be required to pay an estimated tax on your gambling winnings. For information on withholding on gambling winnings, refer to Publication 505, Tax Withholding and Estimated Tax.

You may deduct gambling losses only if you itemize deductions. However, the amount of losses you deduct may not be more than the amount of gambling income reported on your return. Claim your gambling losses on Form 1040, Schedule A (PDF) as an "Other Miscellaneous Deductions" (line 28) that is not subject to the 2% limit. A nonresident alien of the United States cannot deduct gambling losses on Schedule A of Form 1040NR (PDF).

It is important to keep an accurate diary or similar record of your gambling winnings and losses. To deduct your losses, you must be able to provide receipts, tickets, statements or other records that show the amount of both your winnings and losses. Refer to Publication 529, Miscellaneous Deductions, for more information.
With respect to your ingenius "I'll incorporate my hobby!", not happening for a variety of reasons.

You're not a professional gambler.

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