Police ambushed and killed in "start of revolution" in Vegas (1 Viewer)

[Otis]

Ban guns? Did people miss the part how these #######s were stopped?

One unconfirmed report is that the two exchanged gunfire with a citizen who was carrying a concealed weapon, and that one of the shooters was injured.

How many more innocents would have died if that civilian wasnt concealed carrying?

Sounds like one less actually.

 

[Joe Summer]

Its amazing how quickly things change when the shoe is on the other foot. Apparently the treatment of Bush by the liberal media has largely been forgotten and/or rationalized away.

Question: Of the incidents such as this where people seem to target and kill individuals (or law enforcement) whom they do not know personally, how do they vote? Where do they tend to get their news? What type of religious affiliation (if any) do they have? I can think of the number of incidents where people spouting communist/socialist political viewpoints (all democrats are communists/socialists at heart, right? - sigh) walked into a church/school/mall/restaurant/_________ and started shooting people on, well, not even one hand. AKA I cannot think of a single incident. I'm sure they exist! But I can think of dozens of incidents over the past decade where people spouting views more in-line with Right-wing politics and talking points. Why is that? Is it just that my own "blue-colored glasses" refuse to allow me to see the sins/warts of the Party I don't even call my own, since I am much more a survivor/refugee from the former Republican Party that used to have at least a few of us moderates in it?

Animal Liberation Front

Black Liberation Army

Earth Liberation Front

Symbionese Liberation Army

United Freedom Front

Weather Underground Organization

The Unabomber

All have committed acts of violence in the name of nominally left-wing causes in the United States. There are many other examples.

A.L.F. is officially nonviolent. You can claim that they've been unofficially tied to violent acts, but then that would discredit your statement that the violent acts were "in the name" of left-wing causes.

 

[ghostguy123]

Gee, another gun control thread. <_<

and it only took 6 posts in before it was hijacked by the gun control crowd! Is that a FFA record?

what do you considerate an appropriate response to these types of incidents?

More guns in the hands of people who do the right thing and pop a cap in idiots like this???

Deputize about 10 million professional/responsible Americans who would be HAPPY to carry a gun at all times (in places that guns are generally not allowed) and act in a manner that keeps people safe for free??

 

[TobiasFunke]

Its amazing how quickly things change when the shoe is on the other foot. Apparently the treatment of Bush by the liberal media has largely been forgotten and/or rationalized away.

Question: Of the incidents such as this where people seem to target and kill individuals (or law enforcement) whom they do not know personally, how do they vote? Where do they tend to get their news? What type of religious affiliation (if any) do they have? I can think of the number of incidents where people spouting communist/socialist political viewpoints (all democrats are communists/socialists at heart, right? - sigh) walked into a church/school/mall/restaurant/_________ and started shooting people on, well, not even one hand. AKA I cannot think of a single incident. I'm sure they exist! But I can think of dozens of incidents over the past decade where people spouting views more in-line with Right-wing politics and talking points. Why is that? Is it just that my own "blue-colored glasses" refuse to allow me to see the sins/warts of the Party I don't even call my own, since I am much more a survivor/refugee from the former Republican Party that used to have at least a few of us moderates in it?

Animal Liberation Front

Black Liberation Army

Earth Liberation Front

Symbionese Liberation Army

United Freedom Front

Weather Underground Organization

The Unabomber

All have committed acts of violence in the name of nominally left-wing causes in the United States. There are many other examples.

A.L.F. is officially nonviolent. You can claim that they've been unofficially tied to violent acts, but then that would discredit your statement that the violent acts were "in the name" of left-wing causes.

The Unabomber associated with "left wing causes" is really pushing the envelope. And the rest of this lot goes back well beyond the Bush II/Obama era that was being discussed. If we're going back that far we lefties should get credit for Jesus too.

 

[massraider]

They were delusional white trash. Let's not give them too much credit as political thinkers.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Its amazing how quickly things change when the shoe is on the other foot. Apparently the treatment of Bush by the liberal media has largely been forgotten and/or rationalized away.

Question: Of the incidents such as this where people seem to target and kill individuals (or law enforcement) whom they do not know personally, how do they vote? Where do they tend to get their news? What type of religious affiliation (if any) do they have? I can think of the number of incidents where people spouting communist/socialist political viewpoints (all democrats are communists/socialists at heart, right? - sigh) walked into a church/school/mall/restaurant/_________ and started shooting people on, well, not even one hand. AKA I cannot think of a single incident. I'm sure they exist! But I can think of dozens of incidents over the past decade where people spouting views more in-line with Right-wing politics and talking points. Why is that? Is it just that my own "blue-colored glasses" refuse to allow me to see the sins/warts of the Party I don't even call my own, since I am much more a survivor/refugee from the former Republican Party that used to have at least a few of us moderates in it?

Animal Liberation Front

Black Liberation Army

Earth Liberation Front

Symbionese Liberation Army

United Freedom Front

Weather Underground Organization

The Unabomber

All have committed acts of violence in the name of nominally left-wing causes in the United States. There are many other examples.

How many of these are glamorized on Msnbc or other "mainstream media" outlets?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

When an ideology wins huge (as liberalism did from 1932-1968) and then comes under challenge and starts to be rolled back (1968-1976) the true believers insist that their party become pure (instead of tacking to the middle) and the whackadoodles turn violent. That's why the names on TPW's list are old.

Conservatism reigned almost unchallenged from 1980 to 2008 -- even the Democrats were moderate Republicans -- but the tide has turned now. So you've got the reverse of the late 60s/early 70s today.

So neither side is "better" or "worse" -- but today almost all of the violent political rhetoric is on the right as are most of the politically oriented shootings and killings.

 

[msommer]

When the dude who pulled out his concealed handgun moved to confront the shooters with weapon drawn, it sounded like he did everything right. Well, until they shot him to death.

I wonder if his death is going to win points for the pro-gun or the anti-gun group?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/dead-shooting-vegas-restaurant-walmart-24049592

Maybe he should have been carrying an assault rifle openly, then he would still would have been alive today #opencarrylasvegas

 

[Quez]

I watched some of the killers YouTube's and he does look like a meth head.

Crazy how these killers have YouTube's these days.

 

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When an ideology wins huge (as liberalism did from 1932-1968) and then comes under challenge and starts to be rolled back (1968-1976) the true believers insist that their party become pure (instead of tacking to the middle) and the whackadoodles turn violent. That's why the names on TPW's list are old.

Conservatism reigned almost unchallenged from 1980 to 2008 -- even the Democrats were moderate Republicans -- but the tide has turned now. So you've got the reverse of the late 60s/early 70s today.

So neither side is "better" or "worse" -- but today almost all of the violent political rhetoric is on the right as are most of the politically oriented shootings and killings.

Interesting.

 

[NCCommish]

Its amazing how quickly things change when the shoe is on the other foot. Apparently the treatment of Bush by the liberal media has largely been forgotten and/or rationalized away.

Question: Of the incidents such as this where people seem to target and kill individuals (or law enforcement) whom they do not know personally, how do they vote? Where do they tend to get their news? What type of religious affiliation (if any) do they have? I can think of the number of incidents where people spouting communist/socialist political viewpoints (all democrats are communists/socialists at heart, right? - sigh) walked into a church/school/mall/restaurant/_________ and started shooting people on, well, not even one hand. AKA I cannot think of a single incident. I'm sure they exist! But I can think of dozens of incidents over the past decade where people spouting views more in-line with Right-wing politics and talking points. Why is that? Is it just that my own "blue-colored glasses" refuse to allow me to see the sins/warts of the Party I don't even call my own, since I am much more a survivor/refugee from the former Republican Party that used to have at least a few of us moderates in it?

Animal Liberation Front

Black Liberation Army

Earth Liberation Front

Symbionese Liberation Army

United Freedom Front

Weather Underground Organization

The Unabomber

All have committed acts of violence in the name of nominally left-wing causes in the United States. There are many other examples.

A.L.F. is officially nonviolent. You can claim that they've been unofficially tied to violent acts, but then that would discredit your statement that the violent acts were "in the name" of left-wing causes.

The Unabomber associated with "left wing causes" is really pushing the envelope. And the rest of this lot goes back well beyond the Bush II/Obama era that was being discussed. If we're going back that far we lefties should get credit for Jesus too.

Yeah I think old Unabomber would be surprised to know that he went from Luddite to liberal.

In his opening and closing sections, Kaczynski addresses Leftism as a movement and analyzes the psychology of leftists, arguing that they are "True Believers in Eric Hoffer's sense" who participate in a powerful social movement to compensate for their lack of personal power. He further claims that leftism as a movement is led by a particular minority of leftists whom he calls "oversocialized":

The moral code of our society is so demanding that no one can think, feel and act in a completely moral way. [...] Some people are so highly socialized that the attempt to think, feel and act morally imposes a severe burden on them. In order to avoid feelings of guilt, they continually have to deceive themselves about their own motives and find moral explanations for feelings and actions that in reality have a non-moral origin. We use the term "oversocialized" to describe such people.[57]

 

[MaxThreshold]

It looks like they were right wing domestic terrorist KooKs. Sad, but they are popping up all over.

So how do you explain Elliot Rodgers, genius?

 

[Norman Paperman]

"He was carrying a concealed weapon, and he immediately and heroically moved towards the position of Jerad Miller. Upon completing that action, he did not realize that Amanda Miller was with Jerad Miller," McMahill told reporters.

He continued: "As soon as he began to confront Jerad Miller with his firearm, Amanda Miller removed her firearm and shot him one time in the ribs area where he immediately collapsed."

Let this be a lesson to you gun-toting heroes - confronting armed criminals is a bad idea. Evacuation is your friend.

 

[NCCommish]

It looks like they were right wing domestic terrorist KooKs. Sad, but they are popping up all over.

So how do you explain Elliot Rodgers, genius?

This Elliot Rogers?

On one online forum, he stated that he opposed interracial dating and made several racist posts regarding African American, Hispanic, South Asian, and East Asian peoples, stating that seeing men of these ethnic groups socializing with white women "makes you want to quit life."

 

[NCCommish]

Or maybe you meant this elliot Rogers:

In Rodger's self-proclaimed ideal world, he imagined that he would "quarantine all [women] in concentration camps. At these camps, the vast majority of the female population will be deliberately starved to death. That would be an efficient and fitting way to kill them all of of... I would have an enormous tower built just for myself... and gleefully watch them all die.

I am going to go with explaining them both as racist lunatics. What you got?

 

[MaxThreshold]

Its amazing how quickly things change when the shoe is on the other foot. Apparently the treatment of Bush by the liberal media has largely been forgotten and/or rationalized away.

Question: Of the incidents such as this where people seem to target and kill individuals (or law enforcement) whom they do not know personally, how do they vote? Where do they tend to get their news? What type of religious affiliation (if any) do they have? I can think of the number of incidents where people spouting communist/socialist political viewpoints (all democrats are communists/socialists at heart, right? - sigh) walked into a church/school/mall/restaurant/_________ and started shooting people on, well, not even one hand. AKA I cannot think of a single incident. I'm sure they exist! But I can think of dozens of incidents over the past decade where people spouting views more in-line with Right-wing politics and talking points. Why is that? Is it just that my own "blue-colored glasses" refuse to allow me to see the sins/warts of the Party I don't even call my own, since I am much more a survivor/refugee from the former Republican Party that used to have at least a few of us moderates in it?

Animal Liberation Front

Black Liberation Army

Earth Liberation Front

Symbionese Liberation Army

United Freedom Front

Weather Underground Organization

The Unabomber

All have committed acts of violence in the name of nominally left-wing causes in the United States. There are many other examples.

A.L.F. is officially nonviolent. You can claim that they've been unofficially tied to violent acts, but then that would discredit your statement that the violent acts were "in the name" of left-wing causes.

The Unabomber associated with "left wing causes" is really pushing the envelope. And the rest of this lot goes back well beyond the Bush II/Obama era that was being discussed. If we're going back that far we lefties should get credit for Jesus too.

Elliot Rodgers ring a bell?

 

[BigJohn]

Has anybody referenced Elliot Rdgers yet? Seems like he would be mentioned by now.

 

[Jackstraw]

Its amazing how quickly things change when the shoe is on the other foot. Apparently the treatment of Bush by the liberal media has largely been forgotten and/or rationalized away.

Question: Of the incidents such as this where people seem to target and kill individuals (or law enforcement) whom they do not know personally, how do they vote? Where do they tend to get their news? What type of religious affiliation (if any) do they have? I can think of the number of incidents where people spouting communist/socialist political viewpoints (all democrats are communists/socialists at heart, right? - sigh) walked into a church/school/mall/restaurant/_________ and started shooting people on, well, not even one hand. AKA I cannot think of a single incident. I'm sure they exist! But I can think of dozens of incidents over the past decade where people spouting views more in-line with Right-wing politics and talking points. Why is that? Is it just that my own "blue-colored glasses" refuse to allow me to see the sins/warts of the Party I don't even call my own, since I am much more a survivor/refugee from the former Republican Party that used to have at least a few of us moderates in it?

Animal Liberation Front

Black Liberation Army

Earth Liberation Front

Symbionese Liberation Army

United Freedom Front

Weather Underground Organization

The Unabomber

All have committed acts of violence in the name of nominally left-wing causes in the United States. There are many other examples.

A.L.F. is officially nonviolent. You can claim that they've been unofficially tied to violent acts, but then that would discredit your statement that the violent acts were "in the name" of left-wing causes.

The Unabomber associated with "left wing causes" is really pushing the envelope. And the rest of this lot goes back well beyond the Bush II/Obama era that was being discussed. If we're going back that far we lefties should get credit for Jesus too.

Elliot Rodgers ring a bell?

I wikipedia'ed him. Doesn't seem to be much on there about being a leftie. Have the fever swamps on the right managed to draw a connection or something?

Seemed like another run of the mill gun nut, racist mysoginist.

Go ahead Hammer. Enlighten us. I'm sure this will change EVERYTHING.

 

[NCCommish]

Its amazing how quickly things change when the shoe is on the other foot. Apparently the treatment of Bush by the liberal media has largely been forgotten and/or rationalized away.

Question: Of the incidents such as this where people seem to target and kill individuals (or law enforcement) whom they do not know personally, how do they vote? Where do they tend to get their news? What type of religious affiliation (if any) do they have? I can think of the number of incidents where people spouting communist/socialist political viewpoints (all democrats are communists/socialists at heart, right? - sigh) walked into a church/school/mall/restaurant/_________ and started shooting people on, well, not even one hand. AKA I cannot think of a single incident. I'm sure they exist! But I can think of dozens of incidents over the past decade where people spouting views more in-line with Right-wing politics and talking points. Why is that? Is it just that my own "blue-colored glasses" refuse to allow me to see the sins/warts of the Party I don't even call my own, since I am much more a survivor/refugee from the former Republican Party that used to have at least a few of us moderates in it?

Animal Liberation Front

Black Liberation Army

Earth Liberation Front

Symbionese Liberation Army

United Freedom Front

Weather Underground Organization

The Unabomber

All have committed acts of violence in the name of nominally left-wing causes in the United States. There are many other examples.

A.L.F. is officially nonviolent. You can claim that they've been unofficially tied to violent acts, but then that would discredit your statement that the violent acts were "in the name" of left-wing causes.

The Unabomber associated with "left wing causes" is really pushing the envelope. And the rest of this lot goes back well beyond the Bush II/Obama era that was being discussed. If we're going back that far we lefties should get credit for Jesus too.

Elliot Rodgers ring a bell?

You keep saying that but subscribing to the Young Turks Youtube channel doesn't make him liberal any more than my occasional listens to Rush make me conservative. How about we deal with what he wrote and published? That isn't very left wing.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Or maybe you meant this elliot Rogers:

In Rodger's self-proclaimed ideal world, he imagined that he would "quarantine all [women] in concentration camps. At these camps, the vast majority of the female population will be deliberately starved to death. That would be an efficient and fitting way to kill them all of of... I would have an enormous tower built just for myself... and gleefully watch them all die.

I am going to go with explaining them both as racist lunatics. What you got?

rodgers came from a liberal family, with liberal values and a frequent viewer of Cenk Uygur's "Young Turks" channel - and a former MSNBC host I might add..

Those of you so quick to blame this current killing on conservatives didn't say a word about Rodgers when he went on his killing spree.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Its amazing how quickly things change when the shoe is on the other foot. Apparently the treatment of Bush by the liberal media has largely been forgotten and/or rationalized away.

Question: Of the incidents such as this where people seem to target and kill individuals (or law enforcement) whom they do not know personally, how do they vote? Where do they tend to get their news? What type of religious affiliation (if any) do they have? I can think of the number of incidents where people spouting communist/socialist political viewpoints (all democrats are communists/socialists at heart, right? - sigh) walked into a church/school/mall/restaurant/_________ and started shooting people on, well, not even one hand. AKA I cannot think of a single incident. I'm sure they exist! But I can think of dozens of incidents over the past decade where people spouting views more in-line with Right-wing politics and talking points. Why is that? Is it just that my own "blue-colored glasses" refuse to allow me to see the sins/warts of the Party I don't even call my own, since I am much more a survivor/refugee from the former Republican Party that used to have at least a few of us moderates in it?

Animal Liberation Front

Black Liberation Army

Earth Liberation Front

Symbionese Liberation Army

United Freedom Front

Weather Underground Organization

The Unabomber

All have committed acts of violence in the name of nominally left-wing causes in the United States. There are many other examples.

A.L.F. is officially nonviolent. You can claim that they've been unofficially tied to violent acts, but then that would discredit your statement that the violent acts were "in the name" of left-wing causes.

The Unabomber associated with "left wing causes" is really pushing the envelope. And the rest of this lot goes back well beyond the Bush II/Obama era that was being discussed. If we're going back that far we lefties should get credit for Jesus too.

Elliot Rodgers ring a bell?

You keep saying that but subscribing to the Young Turks Youtube channel doesn't make him liberal any more than my occasional listens to Rush make me conservative. How about we deal with what he wrote and published? That isn't very left wing.

Sure he isn't. Whatever you have to tell yourself to keep up the delusion.

 

[Freelove]

Its amazing how quickly things change when the shoe is on the other foot. Apparently the treatment of Bush by the liberal media has largely been forgotten and/or rationalized away.

Question: Of the incidents such as this where people seem to target and kill individuals (or law enforcement) whom they do not know personally, how do they vote? Where do they tend to get their news? What type of religious affiliation (if any) do they have? I can think of the number of incidents where people spouting communist/socialist political viewpoints (all democrats are communists/socialists at heart, right? - sigh) walked into a church/school/mall/restaurant/_________ and started shooting people on, well, not even one hand. AKA I cannot think of a single incident. I'm sure they exist! But I can think of dozens of incidents over the past decade where people spouting views more in-line with Right-wing politics and talking points. Why is that? Is it just that my own "blue-colored glasses" refuse to allow me to see the sins/warts of the Party I don't even call my own, since I am much more a survivor/refugee from the former Republican Party that used to have at least a few of us moderates in it?

Animal Liberation Front

Black Liberation Army

Earth Liberation Front

Symbionese Liberation Army

United Freedom Front

Weather Underground Organization

The Unabomber

All have committed acts of violence in the name of nominally left-wing causes in the United States. There are many other examples.

A.L.F. is officially nonviolent. You can claim that they've been unofficially tied to violent acts, but then that would discredit your statement that the violent acts were "in the name" of left-wing causes.

The Unabomber associated with "left wing causes" is really pushing the envelope. And the rest of this lot goes back well beyond the Bush II/Obama era that was being discussed. If we're going back that far we lefties should get credit for Jesus too.

Elliot Rodgers ring a bell?

The one who hated everyone he perceived as different from himself, and set about rectifying society's wrongs with guns? That Elliot Rodger?

 

[NCCommish]

Or maybe you meant this elliot Rogers:

In Rodger's self-proclaimed ideal world, he imagined that he would "quarantine all [women] in concentration camps. At these camps, the vast majority of the female population will be deliberately starved to death. That would be an efficient and fitting way to kill them all of of... I would have an enormous tower built just for myself... and gleefully watch them all die.

I am going to go with explaining them both as racist lunatics. What you got?

rodgers came from a liberal family, with liberal values and a frequent viewer of Cenk Uygur's "Young Turks" channel - and a former MSNBC host I might add..

Those of you so quick to blame this current killing on conservatives didn't say a word about Rodgers when he went on his killing spree.

I didn't blame conservatives and a I mentioned above we have no idea what his politics were. Even the more level headed conservative sites admit that. I know people that listen to Rush who just do it because the loon makes them laugh. I occasionally listen myself. Am I a conservative you think?

 

[NCCommish]

Its amazing how quickly things change when the shoe is on the other foot. Apparently the treatment of Bush by the liberal media has largely been forgotten and/or rationalized away.

Question: Of the incidents such as this where people seem to target and kill individuals (or law enforcement) whom they do not know personally, how do they vote? Where do they tend to get their news? What type of religious affiliation (if any) do they have? I can think of the number of incidents where people spouting communist/socialist political viewpoints (all democrats are communists/socialists at heart, right? - sigh) walked into a church/school/mall/restaurant/_________ and started shooting people on, well, not even one hand. AKA I cannot think of a single incident. I'm sure they exist! But I can think of dozens of incidents over the past decade where people spouting views more in-line with Right-wing politics and talking points. Why is that? Is it just that my own "blue-colored glasses" refuse to allow me to see the sins/warts of the Party I don't even call my own, since I am much more a survivor/refugee from the former Republican Party that used to have at least a few of us moderates in it?

Animal Liberation Front

Black Liberation Army

Earth Liberation Front

Symbionese Liberation Army

United Freedom Front

Weather Underground Organization

The Unabomber

All have committed acts of violence in the name of nominally left-wing causes in the United States. There are many other examples.

A.L.F. is officially nonviolent. You can claim that they've been unofficially tied to violent acts, but then that would discredit your statement that the violent acts were "in the name" of left-wing causes.

The Unabomber associated with "left wing causes" is really pushing the envelope. And the rest of this lot goes back well beyond the Bush II/Obama era that was being discussed. If we're going back that far we lefties should get credit for Jesus too.

Elliot Rodgers ring a bell?

You keep saying that but subscribing to the Young Turks Youtube channel doesn't make him liberal any more than my occasional listens to Rush make me conservative. How about we deal with what he wrote and published? That isn't very left wing.

Sure he isn't. Whatever you have to tell yourself to keep up the delusion.

Unintentional irony thick here.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Its amazing how quickly things change when the shoe is on the other foot. Apparently the treatment of Bush by the liberal media has largely been forgotten and/or rationalized away.

Question: Of the incidents such as this where people seem to target and kill individuals (or law enforcement) whom they do not know personally, how do they vote? Where do they tend to get their news? What type of religious affiliation (if any) do they have? I can think of the number of incidents where people spouting communist/socialist political viewpoints (all democrats are communists/socialists at heart, right? - sigh) walked into a church/school/mall/restaurant/_________ and started shooting people on, well, not even one hand. AKA I cannot think of a single incident. I'm sure they exist! But I can think of dozens of incidents over the past decade where people spouting views more in-line with Right-wing politics and talking points. Why is that? Is it just that my own "blue-colored glasses" refuse to allow me to see the sins/warts of the Party I don't even call my own, since I am much more a survivor/refugee from the former Republican Party that used to have at least a few of us moderates in it?

Animal Liberation Front

Black Liberation Army

Earth Liberation Front

Symbionese Liberation Army

United Freedom Front

Weather Underground Organization

The Unabomber

All have committed acts of violence in the name of nominally left-wing causes in the United States. There are many other examples.

A.L.F. is officially nonviolent. You can claim that they've been unofficially tied to violent acts, but then that would discredit your statement that the violent acts were "in the name" of left-wing causes.

The Unabomber associated with "left wing causes" is really pushing the envelope. And the rest of this lot goes back well beyond the Bush II/Obama era that was being discussed. If we're going back that far we lefties should get credit for Jesus too.

Elliot Rodgers ring a bell?

The one who hated everyone he perceived as different from himself, and set about rectifying society's wrongs with guns? That Elliot Rodger?

Why is it so hard to believe he was a liberal? Jesus H. Christ, The Occupy Wall Street Crowd were raping chicks left and right. You guys act like you have some kind of moral high ground and you simply don't.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Or maybe you meant this elliot Rogers:

In Rodger's self-proclaimed ideal world, he imagined that he would "quarantine all [women] in concentration camps. At these camps, the vast majority of the female population will be deliberately starved to death. That would be an efficient and fitting way to kill them all of of... I would have an enormous tower built just for myself... and gleefully watch them all die.

I am going to go with explaining them both as racist lunatics. What you got?

rodgers came from a liberal family, with liberal values and a frequent viewer of Cenk Uygur's "Young Turks" channel - and a former MSNBC host I might add..

Those of you so quick to blame this current killing on conservatives didn't say a word about Rodgers when he went on his killing spree.

I didn't blame conservatives and a I mentioned above we have no idea what his politics were. Even the more level headed conservative sites admit that. I know people that listen to Rush who just do it because the loon makes them laugh. I occasionally listen myself. Am I a conservative you think?

Maybe YOU'RE not blaming conservatives, but several of your kind are.

 

[Joe Summer]

Why is it so hard to believe he was a liberal?

Why are you so desperate to label him as one?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Its amazing how quickly things change when the shoe is on the other foot. Apparently the treatment of Bush by the liberal media has largely been forgotten and/or rationalized away.

Question: Of the incidents such as this where people seem to target and kill individuals (or law enforcement) whom they do not know personally, how do they vote? Where do they tend to get their news? What type of religious affiliation (if any) do they have? I can think of the number of incidents where people spouting communist/socialist political viewpoints (all democrats are communists/socialists at heart, right? - sigh) walked into a church/school/mall/restaurant/_________ and started shooting people on, well, not even one hand. AKA I cannot think of a single incident. I'm sure they exist! But I can think of dozens of incidents over the past decade where people spouting views more in-line with Right-wing politics and talking points. Why is that? Is it just that my own "blue-colored glasses" refuse to allow me to see the sins/warts of the Party I don't even call my own, since I am much more a survivor/refugee from the former Republican Party that used to have at least a few of us moderates in it?

Animal Liberation Front

Black Liberation Army

Earth Liberation Front

Symbionese Liberation Army

United Freedom Front

Weather Underground Organization

The Unabomber

All have committed acts of violence in the name of nominally left-wing causes in the United States. There are many other examples.

A.L.F. is officially nonviolent. You can claim that they've been unofficially tied to violent acts, but then that would discredit your statement that the violent acts were "in the name" of left-wing causes.

The Unabomber associated with "left wing causes" is really pushing the envelope. And the rest of this lot goes back well beyond the Bush II/Obama era that was being discussed. If we're going back that far we lefties should get credit for Jesus too.

Elliot Rodgers ring a bell?

The one who hated everyone he perceived as different from himself, and set about rectifying society's wrongs with guns? That Elliot Rodger?

Why is it so hard to believe he was a liberal? Jesus H. Christ, The Occupy Wall Street Crowd were raping chicks left and right. You guys act like you have some kind of moral high ground and you simply don't.

Because people are being reasonable about what information they have. "Believing" is left at the door.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Why is it so hard to believe he was a liberal?

Why are you so desperate to label him as one?

It's simply to point out to those that are so ardent on blaming conservative ideology for this killing. Crazy is crazy but there are those who want to pin this on everything conservative and it's simply a delusion.

 

[Freelove]

I don't think anything about Rodger labeled him particularly partisan in one direction or the other. He just seemed like a lunatic more than anything.

But if I were desperate to draw attention away from the more nutso members of the radical right, and the way modern mainstream rhetoric feeds into their revenge/power fantasies, I don't think a point-by-point breakdown of what we know about Elliot Rodger would be a very intelligent way to go about it.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Its amazing how quickly things change when the shoe is on the other foot. Apparently the treatment of Bush by the liberal media has largely been forgotten and/or rationalized away.

Question: Of the incidents such as this where people seem to target and kill individuals (or law enforcement) whom they do not know personally, how do they vote? Where do they tend to get their news? What type of religious affiliation (if any) do they have? I can think of the number of incidents where people spouting communist/socialist political viewpoints (all democrats are communists/socialists at heart, right? - sigh) walked into a church/school/mall/restaurant/_________ and started shooting people on, well, not even one hand. AKA I cannot think of a single incident. I'm sure they exist! But I can think of dozens of incidents over the past decade where people spouting views more in-line with Right-wing politics and talking points. Why is that? Is it just that my own "blue-colored glasses" refuse to allow me to see the sins/warts of the Party I don't even call my own, since I am much more a survivor/refugee from the former Republican Party that used to have at least a few of us moderates in it?

Animal Liberation Front

Black Liberation Army

Earth Liberation Front

Symbionese Liberation Army

United Freedom Front

Weather Underground Organization

The Unabomber

All have committed acts of violence in the name of nominally left-wing causes in the United States. There are many other examples.

A.L.F. is officially nonviolent. You can claim that they've been unofficially tied to violent acts, but then that would discredit your statement that the violent acts were "in the name" of left-wing causes.

The Unabomber associated with "left wing causes" is really pushing the envelope. And the rest of this lot goes back well beyond the Bush II/Obama era that was being discussed. If we're going back that far we lefties should get credit for Jesus too.

Elliot Rodgers ring a bell?

The one who hated everyone he perceived as different from himself, and set about rectifying society's wrongs with guns? That Elliot Rodger?

Why is it so hard to believe he was a liberal? Jesus H. Christ, The Occupy Wall Street Crowd were raping chicks left and right. You guys act like you have some kind of moral high ground and you simply don't.

Because people are being reasonable about what information they have. "Believing" is left at the door.

Well, if we're going to have any discussion about being "reasonable", that pretty much leaves you out.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Its amazing how quickly things change when the shoe is on the other foot. Apparently the treatment of Bush by the liberal media has largely been forgotten and/or rationalized away.

Question: Of the incidents such as this where people seem to target and kill individuals (or law enforcement) whom they do not know personally, how do they vote? Where do they tend to get their news? What type of religious affiliation (if any) do they have? I can think of the number of incidents where people spouting communist/socialist political viewpoints (all democrats are communists/socialists at heart, right? - sigh) walked into a church/school/mall/restaurant/_________ and started shooting people on, well, not even one hand. AKA I cannot think of a single incident. I'm sure they exist! But I can think of dozens of incidents over the past decade where people spouting views more in-line with Right-wing politics and talking points. Why is that? Is it just that my own "blue-colored glasses" refuse to allow me to see the sins/warts of the Party I don't even call my own, since I am much more a survivor/refugee from the former Republican Party that used to have at least a few of us moderates in it?

Animal Liberation Front

Black Liberation Army

Earth Liberation Front

Symbionese Liberation Army

United Freedom Front

Weather Underground Organization

The Unabomber

All have committed acts of violence in the name of nominally left-wing causes in the United States. There are many other examples.

A.L.F. is officially nonviolent. You can claim that they've been unofficially tied to violent acts, but then that would discredit your statement that the violent acts were "in the name" of left-wing causes.

The Unabomber associated with "left wing causes" is really pushing the envelope. And the rest of this lot goes back well beyond the Bush II/Obama era that was being discussed. If we're going back that far we lefties should get credit for Jesus too.

Elliot Rodgers ring a bell?

The one who hated everyone he perceived as different from himself, and set about rectifying society's wrongs with guns? That Elliot Rodger?

Why is it so hard to believe he was a liberal? Jesus H. Christ, The Occupy Wall Street Crowd were raping chicks left and right. You guys act like you have some kind of moral high ground and you simply don't.

Because people are being reasonable about what information they have. "Believing" is left at the door.

Well, if we're going to have any discussion about being "reasonable", that pretty much leaves you out.

Hey, its everyone versus you in this lack-of-logic-hissyfit you are experiencing right now.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Hey, its everyone versus you in this lack-of-logic-hissyfit you are experiencing right now.

So...it's the far left nuts vs me? I'm honored. Thanks.

And the only one throwing hissy fits are you guys droning on about conservative ideology causing this killing. And banning guns. Happens every time with you guys - it's like clockwork.

I'm simply pointing out that you far left nuts have plenty of killers who align with your ideology and rhetoric. Taking some kind of moral high ground like you guys are is probably not a good idea.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Why is it so hard to believe he was a liberal?

Why are you so desperate to label him as one?

It's simply to point out to those that are so ardent on blaming conservative ideology for this killing. Crazy is crazy but there are those who want to pin this on everything conservative and it's simply a delusion.

The couple that was at the support rally for the conservative hero Clive Bundy.

That couple? That seems unreasonable to label them because of it (and other actual strances)?

And you having to make false equivalencies to try and excuse the conservative back drop... sounds like ardent defending that goes against the facts.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Hey, its everyone versus you in this lack-of-logic-hissyfit you are experiencing right now.

So...it's the far left nuts vs me? I'm honored. Thanks.

And the only one throwing hissy fits are you guys droning on about conservative ideology causing this killing. And banning guns. Happens every time with you guys - it's like clockwork.

I'm simply pointing out that you far left nuts have plenty of killers who align with your ideology and rhetoric. Taking some kind of moral high ground like you guys are is probably not a good idea.

Yeah, well they want to remove the guns from those crazy lefties also. But using Elliot Rogers was a flat mistake by you.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Hey, its everyone versus you in this lack-of-logic-hissyfit you are experiencing right now.

So...it's the far left nuts vs me? I'm honored. Thanks.

And the only one throwing hissy fits are you guys droning on about conservative ideology causing this killing. And banning guns. Happens every time with you guys - it's like clockwork.

I'm simply pointing out that you far left nuts have plenty of killers who align with your ideology and rhetoric. Taking some kind of moral high ground like you guys are is probably not a good idea.

Yeah, well they want to remove the guns from those crazy lefties also. But using Elliot Rogers was a flat mistake by you.

Negative. he's yours - own him.

 

[Politician Spock]

Is there a lost and found here at FBG?

I think I lost an IQ point while reading this thread.

 

[Widbil83]

Have the Democrats tried to blame Republicans yet?

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Max is so wonderful.

 

[top dog]

"He was carrying a concealed weapon, and he immediately and heroically moved towards the position of Jerad Miller. Upon completing that action, he did not realize that Amanda Miller was with Jerad Miller," McMahill told reporters.

He continued: "As soon as he began to confront Jerad Miller with his firearm, Amanda Miller removed her firearm and shot him one time in the ribs area where he immediately collapsed."

Let this be a lesson to you gun-toting heroes - confronting armed criminals is a bad idea. Evacuation is your friend.

I recognize the sarcasm in your post here but you make a very, very valid point. As a CCW holder myself I can attest that this is exactly what was taught to me in my training. Having a permit to carry do NOT make you a law enforcement personnel. If at all possible retreat and get out alive. Use the weapon only as a last resort. You should have no intention of being a vigilantly. The instructor used the term "Be a great witness" over and over again to reiterate the fact that engaging when you have other choices is a poor plan.

 

[joffer]

Max is so wonderful.

Much more entertaining than TPW11

 

[Norman Paperman]

"He was carrying a concealed weapon, and he immediately and heroically moved towards the position of Jerad Miller. Upon completing that action, he did not realize that Amanda Miller was with Jerad Miller," McMahill told reporters.

He continued: "As soon as he began to confront Jerad Miller with his firearm, Amanda Miller removed her firearm and shot him one time in the ribs area where he immediately collapsed."

Let this be a lesson to you gun-toting heroes - confronting armed criminals is a bad idea. Evacuation is your friend.

I recognize the sarcasm in your post here but you make a very, very valid point. As a CCW holder myself I can attest that this is exactly what was taught to me in my training. Having a permit to carry do NOT make you a law enforcement personnel. If at all possible retreat and get out alive. Use the weapon only as a last resort. You should have no intention of being a vigilantly. The instructor used the term "Be a great witness" over and over again to reiterate the fact that engaging when you have other choices is a poor plan.

This is the right course of action, but so many iToughguys will tell you they would stick it out and engage the perpetrator in a gun battle - something for which 99% of gun owners are ill-prepared for - as, unfortunately, this guy was.

Firing a weapon at a range is not the same thing as finding yourself in a situation where someone is firing back at you, or in this case, when you don't have enough intel to know there is a second shooter.

 

[Joe Summer]

"He was carrying a concealed weapon, and he immediately and heroically moved towards the position of Jerad Miller. Upon completing that action, he did not realize that Amanda Miller was with Jerad Miller," McMahill told reporters.

He continued: "As soon as he began to confront Jerad Miller with his firearm, Amanda Miller removed her firearm and shot him one time in the ribs area where he immediately collapsed."

Let this be a lesson to you gun-toting heroes - confronting armed criminals is a bad idea. Evacuation is your friend.

I recognize the sarcasm in your post here but you make a very, very valid point. As a CCW holder myself I can attest that this is exactly what was taught to me in my training. Having a permit to carry do NOT make you a law enforcement personnel. If at all possible retreat and get out alive. Use the weapon only as a last resort. You should have no intention of being a vigilantly. The instructor used the term "Be a great witness" over and over again to reiterate the fact that engaging when you have other choices is a poor plan.

The description of the scene reminds me of the episode of "The West Wing" with Mark Harmon.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Why is it so hard to believe he was a liberal?

Why are you so desperate to label him as one?

It's simply to point out to those that are so ardent on blaming conservative ideology for this killing. Crazy is crazy but there are those who want to pin this on everything conservative and it's simply a delusion.

Why are you trying to disavow your brother and sister KooKs?

 

[urbanhack]

Hey, its everyone versus you in this lack-of-logic-hissyfit you are experiencing right now.

So...it's the far left nuts vs me? I'm honored. Thanks.

And the only one throwing hissy fits are you guys droning on about conservative ideology causing this killing. And banning guns. Happens every time with you guys - it's like clockwork.

I'm simply pointing out that you far left nuts have plenty of killers who align with your ideology and rhetoric. Taking some kind of moral high ground like you guys are is probably not a good idea.

Yeah, well they want to remove the guns from those crazy lefties also. But using Elliot Rogers was a flat mistake by you.

Negative. he's yours - own him.

Serious question - did you graduate from high school or are you still in high school??

 

[datonn]

Hey, its everyone versus you in this lack-of-logic-hissyfit you are experiencing right now.

So...it's the far left nuts vs me? I'm honored. Thanks.

And the only one throwing hissy fits are you guys droning on about conservative ideology causing this killing. And banning guns. Happens every time with you guys - it's like clockwork.

I'm simply pointing out that you far left nuts have plenty of killers who align with your ideology and rhetoric. Taking some kind of moral high ground like you guys are is probably not a good idea.

Yeah, well they want to remove the guns from those crazy lefties also. But using Elliot Rogers was a flat mistake by you.

Negative. he's yours - own him.

Serious question - did you graduate from high school or are you still in high school??

[sarcasm] Well, being a hard-Right conservative, there's probably a solid chance that he never actually went to high school or any school at all...and got the equivalent of a G.E.D. after being home-schooled and learning all-about how the Earth is 6,000 years old and how the Sun orbits us in "science" class. How Noah and his kids used to ride dinosaurs as pets. [/sarcasm]

(that's some stinky bait, I know...)

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Don't tread on me flag=24 less pages than Al Qaeda flag

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Don't tread on me flag=24 less pages than Al Qaeda flag

I hate how the nutjobs have that as their thing now. I like the don't tread on me flag. We need to take it back.

 

[fatness]

The Las Vegas Sun says these are Jerad Miller's youtube videos.

Walking tour of his house.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Hey, its everyone versus you in this lack-of-logic-hissyfit you are experiencing right now.

So...it's the far left nuts vs me? I'm honored. Thanks.

And the only one throwing hissy fits are you guys droning on about conservative ideology causing this killing. And banning guns. Happens every time with you guys - it's like clockwork.

I'm simply pointing out that you far left nuts have plenty of killers who align with your ideology and rhetoric. Taking some kind of moral high ground like you guys are is probably not a good idea.

Yeah, well they want to remove the guns from those crazy lefties also. But using Elliot Rogers was a flat mistake by you.

Negative. he's yours - own him.

Serious question - did you graduate from high school or are you still in high school??

[sarcasm] Well, being a hard-Right conservative, there's probably a solid chance that he never actually went to high school or any school at all...and got the equivalent of a G.E.D. after being home-schooled and learning all-about how the Earth is 6,000 years old and how the Sun orbits us in "science" class. How Noah and his kids used to ride dinosaurs as pets. [/sarcasm] (that's some stinky bait, I know...)