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Police Departments Struggle With Critical Staffing Shortages Is A Threat To National Security ( 7/19/22 22:43 PST) (1 Viewer)

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Direct Headline: 'We need them desperately': US police departments struggle with critical staffing shortages

...Police departments from Atlanta to Kansas City to Portland are coping with critical staffing shortages and struggling to fill their ranks from patrol officers to 911 operators, as the warm weather historically portends bursts of violence in many parts of the United States...."The people (who) work here are working long hours, extra overtime to cover other shifts," said Kansas City Police Interim Chief Joseph Maybin during a recent tour of the department's 911 call center, which is experiencing longer wait times....."But we have to have someone answering the call. We have to have someone dispatching otherwise we can't get officers to people. It's critical...."

The Kansas City Police Department is down about 100 crucial non-law enforcement positions, including 911 dispatchers, mechanics and analysts, and down more than 200 officers....Atlanta, Dallas, Portland, Seattle and other cities cope with shortages...across the nation, the challenges police departments face in retaining and recruiting officers are daunting -- a staffing crisis exacerbated by retirements and resignations, as well as high-profile killings that have put policing under increased scrutiny and made it a frequent target of protests and calls for budget cuts.....

Chicago Police Department lowered its hiring standards amid staffing shortages....Other cities are looking for officers as well. The Dallas Police Department is down about 550 officers. In Portland, the department is looking to fill more than 100 officer positions.....In Seattle, a shortage of police officers recently led to fewer detectives working on sexual assaults. In a statement last month, Seattle Police Chief Adrian Diaz said he had to move detectives and support staff from other units to help. But challenges remain, the chief said, noting that the department was down to 135 detectives compared to 234 in 2019.....The superintendent said the time-off decision was made for officer safety, adding that "when that cop in a dark alley is calling for help" more officers are needed on the streets.

A June 2021 national survey found that police departments around the country .... showed a 45% increase in retirements and an 18% jump in resignations over the previous year....On average, officers spend 8 months training before they can patrol the streets alone, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics. That means it will take years to fill open jobs at departments across the country....The reasons for the recruitment and retention crisis are attributable to "multiple social, political, and economic forces," including generational differences, negative perceptions of policing and the long hiring process of many agencies....additionally, low pay and the so-called great resignation -- in which workers voluntarily left their jobs in unprecedented numbers after the pandemic -- hit policing as it did other professions....

....The effects the crisis has on cities, the survey said: "Longer wait times for calls for service, fewer crimes solved and cleared, and on-duty officers who are burned out and overworked threaten the quality of life in our communities."...Kansas City Mayor Quinton Lucas said job shortage cuts across all sectors of the government and the city is doing all it can to ensure public safety....The city is taking that recruitment message to military bases and historically Black colleges and universities -- and increasing efforts to recruit female officers, according to Lucas....

By Ryan Young, Devon M. Sayers and Ray Sanchez, CNN Tue July 19, 2022

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/19/us/police-staffing-shortages-recruitment/index.html

VIDEO: Record number of officers quitting their job | Morning in America Jun 13, 2022

Some police unions are sounding the alarm of a police officer shortage. Retired NYPD Detective Michael Alcazar joined "Morning in America" to discuss the mass police exodus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj7e0KqGRvw

VIDEO: NYPD officers quitting Jul 6, 2022

The NYPD is seeing a major exodus of officers. The department said 523 members left in June alone.

2020 : 553 Resigned / 2599 Retired

2021: 1053 Resigned/ 1654 Retired

2022 To Date: 497 Resigned/ 594 Retired

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aakhNFhbhWk

Direct Headline: Why are America’s Women Police Chiefs Resigning?

The retirement of Carmen Best, Seattle’s beleaguered police chief, is the most recent upending of the careers of women leading major city police departments. Best, who retired on August 11 after the city council shrunk her department and cut her salary by more than $100,000, is only the latest female chief to have fallen....

...Women chiefs were once seen as harbingers of systemic changes in urban police departments. But in Atlanta, Erika Shields and, in Portland, Ore., Jami Resch, each resigned within days of protests by Black Lives Matter (BLM) and allied groups. In both cities, their mayors quickly accepted their resignations....

Shields served in all ranks before becoming Atlanta’s second woman and first openly gay chief. With bachelor’s and master’s degrees, her earlier assignments included patrol, internal affairs, and accreditation. She seemed to epitomize the modern police chief, but the National Association of Colored People (NAACP) had criticized her after she fired two officers who had tased two college students during the Floyd protests....Their criticism, apparently, arose from her comments that the District Attorney’s decision to charge six officers was part of a “tsunami of political jockeying” because he was in a runoff election against his former deputy chief D.A....

Across the country, in Portland, Ore., Jami Resch also resigned after barely six months as chief ....A 21-year veteran of the Portland Police Bureau (the police department), Resch, like Shields, pledged to work with the community. At her swearing in she promised to be a “collaborative chief.”...But also like Shields, there were calls for Resch’s resignation from within the black community....In what Portland’s daily newspaper, The Oregonian called a “caustic letter,” Resch was criticized for her “all-white leadership team” and for having replaced a departing Asian-American assistant chief with a white male without community input....

....Violence also continues nightly in Seattle since Chief Best was ordered by Mayor Jenny Durkan on June 8 to abandon the East Precinct police station when BLM protestors and various hangers-on moved into a six-block area they called the Capital Hill Occupation Protest (CHOP)....Best warned then that police were unable to respond to calls about “rapes, robberies and all sorts of violent act that have been occurring in the area.” But Durkan, elected in 2017, likened the area to San Francisco’s “summer of love” in 1967, when about 100,000 people turned Haight-Asbury into a park fueled largely by sex, drugs, and rock and roll.....After armed gangs took over the area and two African-American male teenagers were shot dead, Durkan advised protesters that: “It’s time for people to go home.”.... Despite vast media coverage, Durkan had little to say and she rarely spoke about the chief. Best, on the other hand, was often the city’s spokesperson, presenting an upbeat message despite the nightly violence. She generally demurred when asked about her plans to remain as chief.....Finally, in the face of the city council’s votes to shrink the department and to reduce her salary, Best announced her retirement after 28 years with the department......former King County Executive Ron Sims, who is black, said he found the council’s treatment of the chief “incredibly offensive” and “humiliating” to city’s first African-American woman chief...

...Right now, the odds don’t look favorable for women chiefs anywhere. Ironically, not so long ago, reformers and feminists advocated for more women in law enforcement, particularly at the senior ranks. The goal was to move policing from a warrior culture to a community-based model and in the process heal troubled departments....But these kinds of women leaders are now being felled by weak mayoral support and protester vitriol towards the police.....

By Dorothy Schulz August 13, 2020

https://thecrimereport.org/2020/08/13/why-are-americas-women-police-chiefs-resigning/

Direct Headline: ‘Why would anyone want to be a cop today?’

There is a potential law enforcement crisis getting ready to manifest itself in the next few years. The crisis doesn’t have anything to do with crime, police violence or civil unrest, but is at least partially a direct consequence of all three.

Who wants to be a cop?

After several years of repeated societal upheavals including political divisiveness, civil unrest, and even the COVID-19 pandemic, the question is, who would want to be a police officer now? Across the country, thousands of police departments are trying to persuade people to consider a career in law enforcement....The No. 1 reason for the influx of funding is increased crime and fear of lawlessness....

...Years of negative branding, a shrinking labor pool, prolonged adolescence, and even the great resignation have had an impact on people considering law enforcement as a good career choice. Even cops don’t seem to want their children getting into the profession. A survey by Calibre Press and Police1 of over 10,000 officers found that only 7 percent would recommend the profession to their children.

In response, police departments have had to aggressively pursue marketing strategies that include engaging social media posts, career fairs, and live-streaming question and answer sessions with police recruiters.....At a time when departments are the most challenged, they have to be exceedingly diligent when hiring. After years of negative public sentiment, police departments need to be especially careful during the selection process. To get good cops you need quantity. If you have a lot of applicants, you can usually screen through and find good applicants that rise to the top. Astonishingly it’s not unusual to see only single digit numbers hired for every 100 applicants who go through the process....For departments that need to hire large numbers that means processing thousands of applicants. The trouble is every agency is fishing in the same pond. In California alone there are over 500 law enforcement agencies and pretty much all of them are hiring....

Departments are now in a competition to get prospective applicants to choose them....Even monetary incentives are being utilized now. It’s common to see $5,000, $10,000, and $20,000 signing bonuses. In December, an Oakland City Council member even proposed upping the ante to $50,000. Of course, the bonuses would be paid out over the course of years with officers paid an amount for every year they stayed with department....The staggered payout is necessary because one of the ways departments get officers is by wooing officers from other departments. Cash incentives, better job opportunities, and supportive communities are just some of the ways officers are convinced to make the move to another department....

Hiring, training, and deploying a police officer is nearly a year-long process. In the meantime, natural attrition is occurring as well, as officers leave for any number of reasons including job dissatisfaction, physical injury and even termination. For some agencies, additional budgeted positions must also be filled....More funding doesn’t automatically translate to more bodies on the street....What happens when law enforcement can’t hire enough bodies? For many departments this requires restructuring. In other words, agencies have to decide what they will stop doing in order to continue answering the 911 calls and investigating crimes....If departments can’t hire officers they have to be creative in making sure their patrol deployments are not impacted. So now investigators and detectives are reassigned one or two days a month to patrol duties — which means less time available for following up on reports and arresting bad guys....

....Fear of crime and disorder necessitate a response by law enforcement. For that, police departments need boots on the ground. When departments can’t get enough people interested in the job, the pressure to compromise standards can become overwhelming. Agency leaders just hope the pressure to hire, and compromised standards, don’t result in problems further down the road....

Like a lot of veteran cops are saying, “Who would want to be a cop today?”

By Joe Vargas May 12, 2022

https://behindthebadge.com/why-would-anyone-want-to-be-a-cop-today/

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The average police officer in America is not a racist.  They are not a bigot. They are mostly every day working class Americans with a very tough and complicated career path. Most are just trying to do the best they can each day, serve their community and put food on the table for their children. Like any profession, there are some that are elite at what they do and are a credit to their profession.  There is a larger wide segment that are in the middle of the pack and as Parcells would say - Just Another Guy.  Then there are some that are idiots and corrupt and shouldn't have a badge. And as Michael Alcazar points out - Those who can get to early retirement aren't going to risk hanging on, getting caught up in some current anti law enforcement sentiment infused political "red ball" and face losing their pension. And that many who aren't even near retirement are weighing out what are the long term risks to their life, their finances and their freedom if they stay on in a culture that is progressively more hostile to them.

You can't maintain a high quality widespread type of community policing if you keep demonizing the entire collective over the actions of a few. And you can't effectively maintain basic civil order if you keep demonizing the entire profession because it's politically expedient for Team Blue to do so to hold onto the black vote and the radical vote.

If you tell a specific profession constantly that you want to defund them, that they are all secretly a cabal of racists, bigots and White Nationalists, that they must endure modern "bail reform" and enabled lawlessness from their City Councils, Mayors and Governors, that they will never be supported even if they do their jobs right, that they should endure countless months of rioting and looting and be the focal point of the blame,  and that those that remain should simply be overworked as many of their ranks are retiring and resigning in droves, then what is the practical benefit of being a police officer in modern American society?

Consider the irony in that the hard push for "social justice" ended up with a black female police chief, Carmen Best, resigning. Much in part because Best opposed her then sitting mayor's efforts to defund her entire department, amidst endless rioting and looting,  and gave her orders to actually abandon an entire police station to the lawless and career criminals. And multiple other female police chiefs across the nation resigned as well. Did anyone want to ask about the many women who were rank and file officers that retired or resigned in the past few years due to this kind of open stupidity? And the shortages means fewer officers to respond to calls for domestic abuse and rape where women are disproportionately impacted. Also fewer detectives to investigate crimes like sexual assault and rape in general.  So when predominately black communities call for help, then who is there to help them when staffing shortages means there is a longer wait ( which could mean the difference between life and death) and less overall coverage? Is the price of "woke" here causing more harm to women and minorities in general?

Team Blue can't demand better quality of overall community policing when all their public policy is built around enabling criminals and lawlessness, sabotaging their own police departments as scapegoats for personal political gain, demonizing officers in general as bigots, racists and the true representation of the enforcer arm of "systemic racism", defund them and slash their budgets and then setting a pathway where only the most mediocre recruits with constantly degrading standards will even want the job.

That's just plain stupid.

On top of that, there is a consistent hard push, like in New York, to try to take everyone's guns from them. Newsflash for the Democratic Party, if you incentivize criminals over tax paying citizens and if you kneecap your law enforcement agencies then you will naturally corner many every day people into seeing buying a gun as their only option to keep themselves and their families safe.  You can't abandon civil order and then demand the working class to be left out as prey to be hunted down by the career criminals you let out while you use the tax dollars of good honest people to surround yourself with highly trained armed security.

That too is just plain stupid. And toxic. And it will drive away voters in droves.

Intentionally crippling basic civil order across the entire country is a clear national security crisis.

My viewpoint? The price of Identity Politics means it's simply more politically expedient to make it easier for America's children to die. Your children's future is being cashed in for Woke Points. And you are told that you need to be happy with being abandoned to be a future victim lest you be called a bigot and a racist.

Some of you voted for this, so ask yourself what that vote might cost you and your loved ones if you need the police and you end up waiting endlessly for help in the most critical moments.

I'll leave this here for others to discuss.

 
Surprised this hasn't been discussed before.  Of course its on point also.  Hope this helps people understand why more people are buying guns for protection.  

 
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Huge problem, exacerbated by a tight labor market but in typical fashion while wanting to drive well intended change we’ve created an environment where policing is not a profession people want to enter.  The unintended consequence is more crime, more murders, more suffering.

 
Huge problem, exacerbated by a tight labor market but in typical fashion while wanting to drive well intended change we’ve created an environment where policing is not a profession people want to enter.  The unintended consequence is more crime, more murders, more suffering.
The lawmakers will not experience this problem though.

 
Democratic candidate Val Demings, a black former police chief of Orlando, and current US Representative and candidate for Marco Rubio's senate seat has made her position clear:

Val Demings ad: ‘Defunding the police: That’s just crazy’

It's still desirable to be a cop in cities like Miami and  Miami Beach with good pay and retirement benefits. And lots of overtime due to special events has many making 6 figures and some close to $200,000. The cop experience in an aging city like New Haven might be different, as they also deal with budget concerns and cops choose to work in more affluent nearby suburbs.

AI might help some with the shortage. I wonder how obesity factors in for new recruits, like was mentioned in the military recruitment thread. I see lots of very heavy older cops on the beat.

 
Direct Headline: Bellevue councilwoman arrested charged with assaulting officer responding to domestic situation

A woman was arrested and charged for allegedly assaulting a police officer responding to a domestic situation in Bellevue this weekend...Sabreena Miller, 29, faces charges of aggravated assault and resisting arrest...A former colleague of Miller's confirmed to Pittsburgh's Action News 4 that Miller currently serves on Bellevue Borough Council.The solicitor for Bellevue Borough Council said the council can’t comment on ongoing and/or pending criminal investigations.

According to a criminal complaint, police were called to a home along Sumner Avenue early Saturday morning for a man who had stabbed himself in the leg.On scene, officers found a man identified as Miller's husband, John...Moments later, police said they found Miller with fresh scratches and red marks on her neck and explained to her that they were investigating her husband’s injury.

Police allege that she began to push an officer and yell, then allegedly punched the officer in the back of the head...The complaint says Miller and the officer struggled before she was handcuffed and put under arrest.

WTAE 7:49 AM EDT Jul 18, 2022

https://www.wtae.com/article/woman-arrested-charged-with-assaulting-officer-responding-to-domestic-situation/40634184

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Sabreena Miller is a member of the Democratic Party in Pennsylvania.

So apparently it's not enough to defund the police and enable career criminals to be released to hunt down innocent people, I guess cops have to worry about Democrats in power and in office PUNCHING THEM IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD because they are trying to figure out if said Democrat actually stabbed her husband with a knife in a domestic dispute.

But Miller is a minority woman and a Democrat, so apparently, it's just going to be (D)ifferent.

Does anyone actually believe Miller is going to get treated like everyone else? She might have gotten away with it to start, except for the entire PUNCHING A COP IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD bit.

 
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Direct Headline/AUDIO: Chicago police supervisor orders cops to stop chasing a carload of murder suspects (audio)

A Chicago Police Department supervisor on Saturday ordered patrol units to stop pursuing a car that officers saw being used by three gunmen in a murder just minutes earlier....After being told to stop pursuing the car, a stunned officer responded, “The car wanted for the murder?”...“This department’s a joke,” another said.

The pursuit of the four men, three of whom were reportedly captured on video firing shots by a CPD surveillance camera, came just one day after the Sun-Times reported that violent crime arrests in the city are at historic lows...It began at 4:51 p.m. An officer assigned to the local police district’s technology center reported that ShotSpotter had detected 10 shots fired at 615 South California. The officer went on to describe a white Dodge Charger with a black hood that three men exited from to open fire....Moments later, the technology center broadcast physical descriptions of the three gunmen, who returned to the car. An officer who arrived at the scene said it appeared the victim was dead....

Just three minutes after the shooting, another CPD technology center provided the Charger’s license plate number and said the car had been reported stolen. Upon hearing that, other officers noted that a similar car was involved in a “shots fired” incident earlier in the day ...Then, a 4:59 p.m., eight minutes after the shooting, a patrol unit spotted the Charger bearing the suspected license plate number. They engaged the vehicle....For another two minutes, cops went after the suspected shooters’ car. During this time, officers confirmed that the shooting on California would be a “0110,” which is a code number for murder....

.....A Chicago police supervisor immediately terminated the chase, leading to a series of outbursts from officers who disagreed with the decision not to go after a carload of possible murderers.....The shooting victim, a 56-year-old man, died after being shot in the head at 614 South California, officials said. His name has not been released. Police have announced no arrests in the case....The Chicago Police Department introduced a new vehicle pursuit policy in August 2020. The order provides officers with 11 pages of instructions that they must consider when deciding if a vehicle should be pursued. It specifically states that CPD will not discipline any member for ending a motor vehicle pursuit....

CWBChicago Citywide July 18, 2022

https://cwbchicago.com/2022/07/chicago-police-supervisor-orders-cops-to-stop-chasing-a-carload-of-murder-suspects-audio.html

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What's a good way to let police officers know it's a good time to resign or retire because clearly their local government and City Council and Mayor have no desire to stop the lawlessness and the relentless outbreak of violence and shootings?

Tell them to stop chasing criminals when they have them bracketed.

You cannot demonize all police officers, keep knee capping them from actually doing their jobs and try to soak them in fear that actually maintaining civil order will only end in the loss of their careers and possible later legal action against them. You can't ask cops to stand by and watch their city burn to the ground and be abandoned. That's exactly what happened in 2020.

 
This nation is literally falling apart thanks to Woke policies. When will the Woke wake up?

What say you, FBG Democrats? Do you actually identify with these lunatics? Why don't I see you denouncing them more?

 
I knew just from reading the thread title that the OP would blame the Democrats and "defunding the police" for these "critical staffing shortages" (despite the fact I don't think any police department has been defunded outside of having some monies diverted to try some alternative non-traditional approaches to law enforcement). 

After reading this multiple post rant and diatribe, I am not really sure what point GG is trying to make since he has been all over map on this one.

 
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This nation is literally falling apart thanks to Woke policies. When will the Woke wake up?

What say you, FBG Democrats? Do you actually identify with these lunatics? Why don't I see you denouncing them more?


When you refer to most democrats, you're not referring to the woke progressive fringes.  I literally don't know anyone that agrees with these policies.  

We're starting to see a backlash here.   We adopted stupid state policies that prevent police from doing their jobs.   Basically they have to witness a crime in order to detain anyone, and even then if the suspect runs they can't chase them.   That legislation got rolled back in May, but now there's no clarity on what the police can and can't do.   We need to fix it, and make it absolutely clear that LEOs can actually do the jobs they were hired and trained for.

Seattle is increasing recruitment efforts and plans to hire 500 more police officers in the next year.   Who knows where they are supposed to come from.   

The ridiculous overreaction is now swinging back the other way, but it can't happen soon enough.

Full disclosure:  I have GG on ignore, so I have no idea what his rant is about.

 
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Direct Headline/AUDIO: Chicago police supervisor orders cops to stop chasing a carload of murder suspects (audio)

A Chicago Police Department supervisor on Saturday ordered patrol units to stop pursuing a car that officers saw being used by three gunmen in a murder just minutes earlier....After being told to stop pursuing the car, a stunned officer responded, “The car wanted for the murder?”...“This department’s a joke,” another said.

The pursuit of the four men, three of whom were reportedly captured on video firing shots by a CPD surveillance camera, came just one day after the Sun-Times reported that violent crime arrests in the city are at historic lows...It began at 4:51 p.m. An officer assigned to the local police district’s technology center reported that ShotSpotter had detected 10 shots fired at 615 South California. The officer went on to describe a white Dodge Charger with a black hood that three men exited from to open fire....Moments later, the technology center broadcast physical descriptions of the three gunmen, who returned to the car. An officer who arrived at the scene said it appeared the victim was dead....

Just three minutes after the shooting, another CPD technology center provided the Charger’s license plate number and said the car had been reported stolen. Upon hearing that, other officers noted that a similar car was involved in a “shots fired” incident earlier in the day ...Then, a 4:59 p.m., eight minutes after the shooting, a patrol unit spotted the Charger bearing the suspected license plate number. They engaged the vehicle....For another two minutes, cops went after the suspected shooters’ car. During this time, officers confirmed that the shooting on California would be a “0110,” which is a code number for murder....

.....A Chicago police supervisor immediately terminated the chase, leading to a series of outbursts from officers who disagreed with the decision not to go after a carload of possible murderers.....The shooting victim, a 56-year-old man, died after being shot in the head at 614 South California, officials said. His name has not been released. Police have announced no arrests in the case....The Chicago Police Department introduced a new vehicle pursuit policy in August 2020. The order provides officers with 11 pages of instructions that they must consider when deciding if a vehicle should be pursued. It specifically states that CPD will not discipline any member for ending a motor vehicle pursuit....

CWBChicago Citywide July 18, 2022

https://cwbchicago.com/2022/07/chicago-police-supervisor-orders-cops-to-stop-chasing-a-carload-of-murder-suspects-audio.html

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What's a good way to let police officers know it's a good time to resign or retire because clearly their local government and City Council and Mayor have no desire to stop the lawlessness and the relentless outbreak of violence and shootings?

Tell them to stop chasing criminals when they have them bracketed.

You cannot demonize all police officers, keep knee capping them from actually doing their jobs and try to soak them in fear that actually maintaining civil order will only end in the loss of their careers and possible later legal action against them. You can't ask cops to stand by and watch their city burn to the ground and be abandoned. That's exactly what happened in 2020.
It’s a common occurrence in Chicago.  One week she throws the cops under the bus, the next week she wants to get tough on crime.   She has destroyed the city.   She’s not that upset not to have 70 cops to protect her on taxpayer dime though.  

 
I knew just from reading the thread title that the OP would blame the Democrats and "defunding the police" for these "critical staffing shortages" (despite the fact I don't think any police department has been defunded outside of having some monies diverted to try some alternative non-traditional approaches to law enforcement). 

After reading this multiple post rant and diatribe, I am not really sure what point GG is trying since he has been all over map on this one.
We’ve proven this point over and over that cities have.  

 
I knew just from reading the thread title that the OP would blame the Democrats and "defunding the police" for these "critical staffing shortages" (despite the fact I don't think any police department has been defunded outside of having some monies diverted to try some alternative non-traditional approaches to law enforcement). 

After reading this multiple post rant and diatribe, I am not really sure what point GG is trying to make since he has been all over map on this one.
So what's your theory on why there are staffing shortages?

 
So what's your theory on why there are staffing shortages?


It could be due to a variety of factors...maybe with the economy recovering and more jobs available people have safer and less stressful employment options that pay just as well as those in law enforcement. I have seen no proven correlation between the staffing shortages and "defunding the police" in those jurisdictions. 

 
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So what's your theory on why there are staffing shortages?
I don't know where you live or work, but are you not experiencing a labor shortage? Or is it just not directly affecting you? Police departments aren't exempt from the overall shortage of labor in the US. Especially when you factor in all the other bs cops have to deal with.

 
I don't know where you live or work, but are you not experiencing a labor shortage? Or is it just not directly affecting you? Police departments aren't exempt from the overall shortage of labor in the US. Especially when you factor in all the other bs cops have to deal with.
I think this is the biggest reason for the shortage. 

 
“Liberals hate police and are soft on crime” is an endless meme for conservative politicians, and as demonstrated by some of the comments in this thread it works every time. Its lazy and stupid, but that’s where we seem to be as a society. 

 
“Liberals hate police and are soft on crime” is an endless meme for conservative politicians, and as demonstrated by some of the comments in this thread it works every time. Its lazy and stupid, but that’s where we seem to be as a society. 
Says the guy that has spent almost 20 years here screaming racism whenever someone non-white is criticized, sexism whenever a woman gets criticized, etc....

 
When you refer to most democrats, you're not referring to the woke progressive fringes.  I literally don't know anyone that agrees with these policies.  

We're starting to see a backlash here.   We adopted stupid state policies that prevent police from doing their jobs.   Basically they have to witness a crime in order to detain anyone, and even then if the suspect runs they can't chase them.   That legislation got rolled back in May, but now there's no clarity on what the police can and can't do.   We need to fix it, and make it absolutely clear that LEOs can actually do the jobs they were hired and trained for.

Seattle is increasing recruitment efforts and plans to hire 500 more police officers in the next year.   Who knows where they are supposed to come from.   

The ridiculous overreaction is now swinging back the other way, but it can't happen soon enough.

Full disclosure:  I have GG on ignore, so I have no idea what his rant is about.
Fish how did the stupid state policies you’re referring to get approved?  Things don’t get approved without proponents and support. If you have enough proponents and support…then it’s hard to consider that “fringe”.

 
“Liberals hate police and are soft on crime” is an endless meme for conservative politicians, and as demonstrated by some of the comments in this thread it works every time. Its lazy and stupid, but that’s where we seem to be as a society. 
Your constant use of lazy and stupid to things you don’t agree with are ……lazy and stupid.   I’ll congratulate you on your post about how everyone should aspire to be like California.  Kalamazoo agrees and will not arrest people for public urination and crapping in the streets.

 
“Liberals hate police and are soft on crime” is an endless meme for conservative politicians, and as demonstrated by some of the comments in this thread it works every time. Its lazy and stupid, but that’s where we seem to be as a society. 
You have an extremely short memory.  ACAB was garden-variety left-of-center boilerplate this time two years ago.  Remember when cash bail was racist, so we needed to let all the violent criminals loose on ROR?  That was the summer of 2020.

Edit: Wait a second.  Two years ago, your tribe was telling the rest of us that yes, they do want to literally defund the police.  We were listening.    

 
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Yes, hiring is a challenge for lots of professions. We all get that and most of us know why. 

But this is different.

I have four adult children in their 20's. They're all in that stage of life where they're figuring out what kind of work they'd like to do.

I think it's pretty telling that given society today, I can't think of many careers I'd rather them NOT pursue than trying to be a police officer. 

As a citizen, that seems like a bad thing. 

 
Yes, hiring is a challenge for lots of professions. We all get that and most of us know why. 

But this is different.

I have four adult children in their 20's. They're all in that stage of life where they're figuring out what kind of work they'd like to do.

I think it's pretty telling that given society today, I can't think of many careers I'd rather them NOT pursue than trying to be a police officer. 

As a citizen, that seems like a bad thing. 
Would your opinion have been different 10 or 20 years ago? 

 
Would your opinion have been different 10 or 20 years ago? 


And to be more clear, the reason I think this is based on how much of society views police officers.

I have no doubt forces are struggling to fill jobs. Given the way much of society views them, I can't imagine anyone wanting that job. As I said, I'd discourage my kids from going anywhere near that kind of job.

Which at scale is only going to make things worse as the qualified candidates go elsewhere to a profession where they're not despised.

I don't think I've ever seen a time in my life when voicing support for the local police or sheriff's department was seen as a negative.

 
This nation is literally falling apart thanks to Woke policies. When will the Woke wake up?

What say you, FBG Democrats? Do you actually identify with these lunatics? Why don't I see you denouncing them more?
It’s sad times we are in. This is what you get when a significant portion of your population isn’t smart enough to understand that being against the police and “defunding” them is woke BS. 

 
And to be more clear, the reason I think this is based on how much of society views police officers.

I have no doubt forces are struggling to fill jobs. Given the way much of society views them, I can't imagine anyone wanting that job. As I said, I'd discourage my kids from going anywhere near that kind of job.

Which at scale is only going to make things worse as the qualified candidates go elsewhere to a profession where they're not despised.

I don't think I've ever seen a time in my life when voicing support for the local police or sheriff's department was seen as a negative.
Thanks for answering. You got me thinking about the perception of police over the years and looking for polling about that. I found this Gallup article interesting and thought you might too. 

 
And to be more clear, the reason I think this is based on how much of society views police officers.

I have no doubt forces are struggling to fill jobs. Given the way much of society views them, I can't imagine anyone wanting that job. As I said, I'd discourage my kids from going anywhere near that kind of job.

Which at scale is only going to make things worse as the qualified candidates go elsewhere to a profession where they're not despised.

I don't think I've ever seen a time in my life when voicing support for the local police or sheriff's department was seen as a negative.
Cities will pay a big price for this also.  Look at the number of cops who chose early retirement.  I would too If my superiors didn’t have my back.   Who wants to get shot at for $20/hour in a small town?

 
Thanks for answering. You got me thinking about the perception of police over the years and looking for polling about that. I found this Gallup article interesting and thought you might too. 
Good link.  People in bad areas are discovering they are getting less policing now. It sucks because they need it more.  When there were cuts and “reimagining”, police wanted to be in better areas.

 
It could be due to a variety of factors...maybe with the economy recovering and more jobs available people have safer and less stressful employment options that pay just as well as those in law enforcement. I have seen no proven correlation between the staffing shortages and "defunding the police" in those jurisdictions. 
Of course you haven’t.  

 
You have an extremely short memory.  ACAB was garden-variety left-of-center boilerplate this time two years ago.  Remember when cash bail was racist, so we needed to let all the violent criminals loose on ROR?  That was the summer of 2020.

Edit: Wait a second.  Two years ago, your tribe was telling the rest of us that yes, they do want to literally defund the police.  We were listening.    
I don’t have a tribe. If I did, anyone who wanted to defund police wouldn’t be a member. 

 
Easy fix to this problem- have the cops stop doing traffic enforcement. Make it a civil regulatory matter handled by the state Department of Transportation.

There is absolutely no reason we need police officers to be the ones handing out speeding tickets. It basically just functions as a department fundraiser and a thin pretense for conducting otherwise unlawful searches. If someone is driving a criminal manner we can call the cops at that point, just like we do if someone is doing any other activity in a criminal manner.  Imagine how silly it would sound if we decided we needed tons of cops policing our malls because people sometimes shoplift or whatever.

 
Yes, hiring is a challenge for lots of professions. We all get that and most of us know why. 

But this is different.

I have four adult children in their 20's. They're all in that stage of life where they're figuring out what kind of work they'd like to do.

I think it's pretty telling that given society today, I can't think of many careers I'd rather them NOT pursue than trying to be a police officer. 

As a citizen, that seems like a bad thing. 
It’s true. And it’s sad. 

But this thread is suggesting that it’s the fault of liberal attitudes rather than the fault of police. And that’s simply false IMO. Police have created this themselves by always rushing to defend the bad apples among them rather than quickly punishing them. 

 
Easy fix to this problem- have the cops stop doing traffic enforcement. Make it a civil regulatory matter handled by the state Department of Transportation.

There is absolutely no reason we need police officers to be the ones handing out speeding tickets. It basically just functions as a department fundraiser and a thin pretense for conducting otherwise unlawful searches. If someone is driving a criminal manner we can call the cops at that point, just like we do if someone is doing any other activity in a criminal manner.  Imagine how silly it would sound if we decided we needed tons of cops policing our malls because people sometimes shoplift or whatever.
This makes a ton of sense and it will never happen. 

 
Perhaps mistrust of police has risen due to the increased use of body cams. Police used to be able to deny wrong doings but now everything's on video. Remember, Travis and Greg McMichael were only brought to justice because the video of the shooting was made public. The police covered for them until they couldn't.

Just my  :2cents:

 
Democratic candidate Val Demings, a black former police chief of Orlando, and current US Representative and candidate for Marco Rubio's senate seat has made her position clear:

Val Demings ad: ‘Defunding the police: That’s just crazy’

It's still desirable to be a cop in cities like Miami and  Miami Beach with good pay and retirement benefits. And lots of overtime due to special events has many making 6 figures and some close to $200,000. The cop experience in an aging city like New Haven might be different, as they also deal with budget concerns and cops choose to work in more affluent nearby suburbs.

AI might help some with the shortage. I wonder how obesity factors in for new recruits, like was mentioned in the military recruitment thread. I see lots of very heavy older cops on the beat.
I wonder why she didn't speak out when all this defund the police nonsense started. I mean she was ex police it seems to me she shouldn't have waited till now.

 
People like me were proposing this exact idea in 2020.  We were shouted down by the people who wanted to defund the police and paint BLM murals on public streets.   
You weren’t shouted down by me. 
Also I like BLM and I love the murals. Not in favor of defund the police. Please don’t conflate the two. 

 
Perhaps mistrust of police has risen due to the increased use of body cams. Police used to be able to deny wrong doings but now everything's on video. Remember, Travis and Greg McMichael were only brought to justice because the video of the shooting was made public. The police covered for them until they couldn't.

Just my  :2cents:
This is 100% accurate IMO. Actually even more than body cams, it’s simply cellphone technology having cameras. Before that, there would be a “Rodney King” like incident exposed every few years. After cellphones started having cameras, there would be such an incident every few months. The truth therefore is pretty clear: this sort of stuff was happening all along, but mostly hidden from public view. Once it was exposed, the public attitude towards police changed for the negative. It has nothing to do with liberal rhetoric. 

 
This is 100% accurate IMO. Actually even more than body cams, it’s simply cellphone technology having cameras. Before that, there would be a “Rodney King” like incident exposed every few years. After cellphones started having cameras, there would be such an incident every few months. The truth therefore is pretty clear: this sort of stuff was happening all along, but mostly hidden from public view. Once it was exposed, the public attitude towards police changed for the negative. It has nothing to do with liberal rhetoric. 
"Funny how once everyone started carrying video cameras 24 hours a day, people stopped seeing aliens, and the cops turned racist"

 
This is 100% accurate IMO. Actually even more than body cams, it’s simply cellphone technology having cameras. Before that, there would be a “Rodney King” like incident exposed every few years. After cellphones started having cameras, there would be such an incident every few months. The truth therefore is pretty clear: this sort of stuff was happening all along, but mostly hidden from public view. Once it was exposed, the public attitude towards police changed for the negative. It has nothing to do with liberal rhetoric. 
Police used to just be able to band together behind a story that put them in the best light. We just saw it in Uvalde. The gov held a press conference the day after praising the heroic efforts of law enforcement. I have no doubt if the videos hadn't surfaced, that would have been the narrative. But now we know better.

As we should.

 
I wonder why she didn't speak out when all this defund the police nonsense started. I mean she was ex police it seems to me she shouldn't have waited till now.
Demings co-sponsored a Bipartisan legislation to enhance federal penalties for targeting law enforcement officers in 2018.

With George Floyd, she rightly criticized the police involved and supported the Floyd act. Police unions are super unaccountable, far worse than teacher unions. It's almost impossible to get a cop fired.

She's a strong candidate, but it'll be hard to unseat Rubio.

 

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