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This is one of those things that just makes you shake your head. Guy loses his job for literally a slip of the tongue. He was actually trying to be complimentary of one of our leaders (another mistake in this political climate, I guess).

Host, praising Rice, utters slur; fired

ST. LOUIS, Missouri (AP) -- A St. Louis radio station quickly fired a talk show host for uttering a racial epithet as he talked about Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on his morning show Wednesday.

Dave Lenihan apologized on the air immediately after making what he said was a slip of the tongue. KTRS president and general manager Tim Dorsey agreed the remark was accidental but said it was nonetheless "unacceptable, reprehensible and unforgivable."

Lenihan had been heaping praise on Rice, who has frequently said she aspires to run the NFL one day but has more recently ruled out seeking to replace retiring Commissioner Paul Tagliabue.

"She's been chancellor of Stanford," Lenihan said on the air. "She's got the patent resume of somebody that has serious skill. She loves football. She's African-American, which would kind of be a big coon. A big coon. Oh my God. I am totally, totally, totally, totally, totally sorry for that."

He said he had meant to say "coup" instead of the racial slur.

KTRS listeners soon began calling the station to complain. Twenty minutes after the utterance, Dorsey went on the air to apologize to Rice and KTRS listeners.

"There can be no excuse for what was said," Dorsey said. "Dave Lenihan has been let go. ... There is enough hate. We certainly are not going to fan those flames."

NAACP chapter president Harold Crumpton commended Dorsey for his swift action.

Reached at home, Lenihan said he was still trying to figure out what happened and was drafting a letter of apology to Rice. He said he never uses the slur he uttered and thinks Rice is "a fantastic woman."

Lenihan, formerly a drive-time host at WGNU radio in St. Louis, had been at KTRS for less than two weeks.

"It was my dream job," he said. "Ratings were going well. It kind of stinks."

 
Seems like an honest slip-up cbacked with an apology.

Perhaps he could have flipped it into a constructive discussion on whether his subconscious caused him to make the slip and whether the subconscious racism was innate or supplanted by today's culture?

 
Not nearly as good a slip up as Shep's over at Fox News Channel. He still has his job, afaik.

 
I thought shows like this had a seve nsecond delay, so they could screen out stuff like this?

What are the guy's ratings.? The station may have been looking for a chance to fire him.

 
This is one of those things that just makes you shake your head. Guy loses his job for literally a slip of the tongue. He was actually trying to be complimentary of one of our leaders (another mistake in this political climate, I guess).
so if he had said the "n" word, you would have been ok with it? what about any of the other racial epithets that are in use? what about anti-semitic? they aren't acceptable under any circumstances, i think. if he can't keep his act together while on the air then he has no business being on the air. what's silly is that you're chalking it up to political correctness. he wasn't mean spirited about the use of the word, i know, but it doesn't change the fact that it was said. the difference between he and a louis farrakhan is that he can he held accountable for his stupidity.
 
This is one of those things that just makes you shake your head.  Guy loses his job for literally a slip of the tongue.  He was actually trying to be complimentary of one of our leaders (another mistake in this political climate, I guess).
so if he had said the "n" word, you would have been ok with it? what about any of the other racial epithets that are in use? what about anti-semitic? they aren't acceptable under any circumstances, i think. if he can't keep his act together while on the air then he has no business being on the air. what's silly is that you're chalking it up to political correctness. he wasn't mean spirited about the use of the word, i know, but it doesn't change the fact that it was said. the difference between he and a louis farrakhan is that he can he held accountable for his stupidity.
If he simply misspoke the word though don't you think it's a little harsh? I mean come on.
 
This is one of those things that just makes you shake your head. Guy loses his job for literally a slip of the tongue. He was actually trying to be complimentary of one of our leaders (another mistake in this political climate, I guess).
so if he had said the "n" word, you would have been ok with it? what about any of the other racial epithets that are in use? what about anti-semitic? they aren't acceptable under any circumstances, i think. if he can't keep his act together while on the air then he has no business being on the air. what's silly is that you're chalking it up to political correctness. he wasn't mean spirited about the use of the word, i know, but it doesn't change the fact that it was said. the difference between he and a louis farrakhan is that he can he held accountable for his stupidity.
Name something in that sentence that rhymes with the "n" word that he could easily slip up and say.And no, I wouldn't get upset at anyone who makes a slip of the tongue, immediately apologizes for it knowing he made a simple mistake. Content really doesn't matter, since he obviously didn't mean it.

That is as silly as me banning you from FBG for your terrible grammar.

 
This is one of those things that just makes you shake your head. Guy loses his job for literally a slip of the tongue. He was actually trying to be complimentary of one of our leaders (another mistake in this political climate, I guess).
so if he had said the "n" word, you would have been ok with it? what about any of the other racial epithets that are in use? what about anti-semitic? they aren't acceptable under any circumstances, i think. if he can't keep his act together while on the air then he has no business being on the air. what's silly is that you're chalking it up to political correctness. he wasn't mean spirited about the use of the word, i know, but it doesn't change the fact that it was said. the difference between he and a louis farrakhan is that he can he held accountable for his stupidity.
If he simply misspoke the word though don't you think it's a little harsh? I mean come on.
it's not like he's never going to work again. he misspoke, which i understand, but that doesn't make it ok. seriously, you think it's ok for him to use the n word? how about any other racial or ethnic slur? it's a zero tolerance thing for me. none of them are acceptable. he's not a victim but instead an idiot.
 
This is one of those things that just makes you shake your head.  Guy loses his job for literally a slip of the tongue.  He was actually trying to be complimentary of one of our leaders (another mistake in this political climate, I guess).
so if he had said the "n" word, you would have been ok with it? what about any of the other racial epithets that are in use? what about anti-semitic? they aren't acceptable under any circumstances, i think. if he can't keep his act together while on the air then he has no business being on the air. what's silly is that you're chalking it up to political correctness. he wasn't mean spirited about the use of the word, i know, but it doesn't change the fact that it was said. the difference between he and a louis farrakhan is that he can he held accountable for his stupidity.
If he simply misspoke the word though don't you think it's a little harsh? I mean come on.
it's not like he's never going to work again. he misspoke, which i understand, but that doesn't make it ok. seriously, you think it's ok for him to use the n word? how about any other racial or ethnic slur? it's a zero tolerance thing for me. none of them are acceptable. he's not a victim but instead an idiot.
but if he used the N word there'd be no misstaking what he said and his intent. In this case, it seems he meant to say coup and coon came out. If this is the case I have a hard time firing him, especially after he apologized so quickly.
 
This is one of those things that just makes you shake your head.  Guy loses his job for literally a slip of the tongue.  He was actually trying to be complimentary of one of our leaders (another mistake in this political climate, I guess).
so if he had said the "n" word, you would have been ok with it? what about any of the other racial epithets that are in use? what about anti-semitic? they aren't acceptable under any circumstances, i think. if he can't keep his act together while on the air then he has no business being on the air. what's silly is that you're chalking it up to political correctness. he wasn't mean spirited about the use of the word, i know, but it doesn't change the fact that it was said. the difference between he and a louis farrakhan is that he can he held accountable for his stupidity.
In this case it was an overreaction and a pretty silly one. It's called a mistake and let the first one here who hasn't made one sit in judgement. It is obvious the guy was mortified and he tripped all over himself to apologize immediately. Big difference between this and the intentional hate speech Farrakan is known for.
 
but if he used the N word there'd be no misstaking what he said and his intent. In this case, it seems he meant to say coup and coon came out. If this is the case I have a hard time firing him, especially after he apologized so quickly.
you're focussing on that one word, which is hardly the point. great the "n" word doesn't sound like lots of other words. what if he'd used a slur derived from another ethnic, racial or sexuality? he misspoke, which happens, but that doesn't mean there aren't consequences for stupidity. if you did the same in a business presentation, you'd find yourself in a heap of trouble in all likelihood..
 
This is one of those things that just makes you shake your head. Guy loses his job for literally a slip of the tongue. He was actually trying to be complimentary of one of our leaders (another mistake in this political climate, I guess).
so if he had said the "n" word, you would have been ok with it? what about any of the other racial epithets that are in use? what about anti-semitic? they aren't acceptable under any circumstances, i think. if he can't keep his act together while on the air then he has no business being on the air. what's silly is that you're chalking it up to political correctness. he wasn't mean spirited about the use of the word, i know, but it doesn't change the fact that it was said. the difference between he and a louis farrakhan is that he can he held accountable for his stupidity.
If he simply misspoke the word though don't you think it's a little harsh? I mean come on.
it's not like he's never going to work again. he misspoke, which i understand, but that doesn't make it ok. seriously, you think it's ok for him to use the n word? how about any other racial or ethnic slur? it's a zero tolerance thing for me. none of them are acceptable. he's not a victim but instead an idiot.
He's a victim of the station being idiots for not having a delay. People mispeak all the time, if there is truly zero tolerance for something going out on the air, the proper safeguards should be in place to make sure it doesn't happen.
 
Political-correctness will kill this country one day. It was a honest slip up. I'm sure Rice is rolling her eyes over the guy being fired for this.

 
In this case it was an overreaction and a pretty silly one. It's called a mistake and let the first one here who hasn't made one sit in judgement. It is obvious the guy was mortified and he tripped all over himself to apologize immediately. Big difference between this and the intentional hate speech Farrakan is known for.
:hey:
 
I think the word he was trying for was coup, and the article points this out. I do not think he should have been fired and feel that there is something more here than meets the eye.

 
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In this case it was an overreaction and a pretty silly one. It's called a mistake and let the first one here who hasn't made one sit in judgement. It is obvious the guy was mortified and he tripped all over himself to apologize immediately. Big difference between this and the intentional hate speech Farrakan is known for.
:hey:
Color me dubious.
 
you're focussing on that one word, which is hardly the point. great the "n" word doesn't sound like lots of other words. what if he'd used a slur derived from another ethnic, racial or sexuality? he misspoke, which happens, but that doesn't mean there aren't consequences for stupidity. if you did the same in a business presentation, you'd find yourself in a heap of trouble in all likelihood..
Or I'd apologize profusely like he did and the intelligent people that I deal with would recognize the simple mistake and we'd move on.And if you honestly equate stupidity with a slip of the tongue, then you really need to get out and talk to folks more often.

 
but if he used the N word there'd be no misstaking what he said and his intent. In this case, it seems he meant to say coup and coon came out. If this is the case I have a hard time firing him, especially after he apologized so quickly.
you're focussing on that one word, which is hardly the point. great the "n" word doesn't sound like lots of other words. what if he'd used a slur derived from another ethnic, racial or sexuality? he misspoke, which happens, but that doesn't mean there aren't consequences for stupidity. if you did the same in a business presentation, you'd find yourself in a heap of trouble in all likelihood..
So you'd fire Shep?
 
In this case it was an overreaction and a pretty silly one. It's called a mistake and let the first one here who hasn't made one sit in judgement. It is obvious the guy was mortified and he tripped all over himself to apologize immediately. Big difference between this and the intentional hate speech Farrakan is known for.
:hey:
I agree - true crazy talk here. Morals applied to modern society? Puhlease.
 
but if he used the N word there'd be no misstaking what he said and his intent. In this case, it seems he meant to say coup and coon came out. If this is the case I have a hard time firing him, especially after he apologized so quickly.
you're focussing on that one word, which is hardly the point. great the "n" word doesn't sound like lots of other words. what if he'd used a slur derived from another ethnic, racial or sexuality? he misspoke, which happens, but that doesn't mean there aren't consequences for stupidity. if you did the same in a business presentation, you'd find yourself in a heap of trouble in all likelihood..
The guy slipped up, apologized immediately, and was fired. Way too big a punishment. Fine if you don't agree, but I think this is ridiculous (unless there's more to the story).
 
but if he used the N word there'd be no misstaking what he said and his intent. In this case, it seems he meant to say coup and coon came out. If this is the case I have a hard time firing him, especially after he apologized so quickly.
you're focussing on that one word, which is hardly the point. great the "n" word doesn't sound like lots of other words. what if he'd used a slur derived from another ethnic, racial or sexuality? he misspoke, which happens, but that doesn't mean there aren't consequences for stupidity. if you did the same in a business presentation, you'd find yourself in a heap of trouble in all likelihood..
So you'd fire Shep?
i'm hoping he got a fine from the FCC. i'm not entirely sure what he was saying with they'd "give her a curb job..." though. they're angry with Lopez?
 
but if he used the N word there'd be no misstaking what he said and his intent. In this case, it seems he meant to say coup and coon came out. If this is the case I have a hard time firing him, especially after he apologized so quickly.
you're focussing on that one word, which is hardly the point. great the "n" word doesn't sound like lots of other words. what if he'd used a slur derived from another ethnic, racial or sexuality? he misspoke, which happens, but that doesn't mean there aren't consequences for stupidity. if you did the same in a business presentation, you'd find yourself in a heap of trouble in all likelihood..
So you'd fire Shep?
Of course not. Coon is obviously much, much more aggregious than talking about blow jobs.Funny thing is I have never heard coon as a slur toward African Americans. Cajuns, yes (coon-###).

 
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but if he used the N word there'd be no misstaking what he said and his intent. In this case, it seems he meant to say coup and coon came out. If this is the case I have a hard time firing him, especially after he apologized so quickly.
you're focussing on that one word, which is hardly the point. great the "n" word doesn't sound like lots of other words. what if he'd used a slur derived from another ethnic, racial or sexuality? he misspoke, which happens, but that doesn't mean there aren't consequences for stupidity. if you did the same in a business presentation, you'd find yourself in a heap of trouble in all likelihood..
The guy slipped up, apologized immediately, and was fired. Way too big a punishment. Fine if you don't agree, but I think this is ridiculous (unless there's more to the story).
He'd been on the air for 2 weeks. No station is going to risk the bad pub to stand up for a new employee that makes this mistake. His job is speaking on the air, 2 weeks in he screws it up and uses a racial slur. Too bad so sad, hit the road.
 
but if he used the N word there'd be no misstaking what he said and his intent. In this case, it seems he meant to say coup and coon came out. If this is the case I have a hard time firing him, especially after he apologized so quickly.
you're focussing on that one word, which is hardly the point. great the "n" word doesn't sound like lots of other words. what if he'd used a slur derived from another ethnic, racial or sexuality? he misspoke, which happens, but that doesn't mean there aren't consequences for stupidity. if you did the same in a business presentation, you'd find yourself in a heap of trouble in all likelihood..
So you'd fire Shep?
Of course not. Coon is obviously much, much more aggregious than talking about blow jobs.Funny thing is I have never heard coon as a slur toward African Americans. Cajuns, yes (coon-###).
you don't get out to the hinterland in the south much, huh? growing up in tennessee and north carolina, i have seen more than my share of this.
 
I suspect that the decision wasn't motivated by political correctness, but rather was based on the conclusion that firing the guy would cause less damage to the station's ratings and advertising revenues than keeping him on the air and dealing with the backlash. Of course, I'm pretty liberal when it comes to regulating or restricting corporate behavior, so I think the firing was a travesty, notwithstanding the fact that it likely made sense from a business perspective.

 
but if he used the N word there'd be no misstaking what he said and his intent. In this case, it seems he meant to say coup and coon came out. If this is the case I have a hard time firing him, especially after he apologized so quickly.
you're focussing on that one word, which is hardly the point. great the "n" word doesn't sound like lots of other words. what if he'd used a slur derived from another ethnic, racial or sexuality? he misspoke, which happens, but that doesn't mean there aren't consequences for stupidity. if you did the same in a business presentation, you'd find yourself in a heap of trouble in all likelihood..
So you'd fire Shep?
i'm hoping he got a fine from the FCC. i'm not entirely sure what he was saying with they'd "give her a curb job..." though. they're angry with Lopez?
He was saying that the people from the Bronx aren't too fond of her. I'll look for the video.Sound didn't work for me for some reason, maybe it's a setting locally:

Search for "Shep" - about half way down: http://www.apechild.com/2005/07/

 
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If you actually heard the tape you would know that there wasn't any way whatsoever he was speaking of CR in a derogatory manner.

I don't know how much was because of PC or if it was because they didn't want the usual suspects showing up in town picketing.

On the other hand the AD at Missouri, Mike Alden referred to white people as "crackers" (as in stay away from those) to one of his black players and he gets a free pass. Now that's wrong IMO.

Now, having said all of that, I have listened to his show and it was horrible. He wouldn't have been around long anyway.

 
I suspect that the decision wasn't motivated by political correctness, but rather was based on the conclusion that firing the guy would cause less damage to the station's ratings and advertising revenues than keeping him on the air and dealing with the backlash. Of course, I'm pretty liberal when it comes to regulating or restricting corporate behavior, so I think the firing was a travesty, notwithstanding the fact that it likely made sense from a business perspective.
Exactly. They fired him right away because it was just easier.
 
but if he used the N word there'd be no misstaking what he said and his intent. In this case, it seems he meant to say coup and coon came out. If this is the case I have a hard time firing him, especially after he apologized so quickly.
you're focussing on that one word, which is hardly the point. great the "n" word doesn't sound like lots of other words. what if he'd used a slur derived from another ethnic, racial or sexuality? he misspoke, which happens, but that doesn't mean there aren't consequences for stupidity. if you did the same in a business presentation, you'd find yourself in a heap of trouble in all likelihood..
So you'd fire Shep?
i'm hoping he got a fine from the FCC. i'm not entirely sure what he was saying with they'd "give her a curb job..." though. they're angry with Lopez?
He was saying that the people from the Bronx aren't too fond of her. I'll look for the video.Sound didn't work for me for some reason, maybe it's a setting locally: http://www.apechild.com/videos/jlobj.wmv
Just watched this last week. Here you go.
 
Two things don't sit right with me...

First, as mentioned before, the show should have been on a delay, and there's no way that should have made it on the air. I listen to a local morning radio show that makes liberal use of the buzzer when guest comedians forget that they can't say certain things on the radio. It's not uncommon, and frankly, IMO the producer of the show should be held as accountable as the DJ for allowing the word to slip onto the air.

Second, even the word "coup" doesn't really fit the context of this sentence? How would it be a "coup" if an African American were to be appointed as the commissioner of the NFL? I didn't realize that African Americans were attempting to overthrow the NFL? How does that even apply?

Personally it all sounds fishy too me. Especially from a guy who's been on the air less than a month... this has publicity stunt written all over it. He and his producer thought it might be a good way to get some exposure fast - so he says it, the producer lets it slip thru - and then they backpeddle, apologize, and wait for ratings to increase from the publicity. (no such thing as "bad" publicity)

Kudos to the station manager for seeing thru a very poor plan and canning this guy quickly.

 
How cool would it be if Rice called the radio station to get the guy's job back. :thumbup:

Anyone who thinks he should have been fired needs to turn the senstivity way, WAY down. :thumbdown:

 
I suspect that the decision wasn't motivated by political correctness, but rather was based on the conclusion that firing the guy would cause less damage to the station's ratings and advertising revenues than keeping him on the air and dealing with the backlash. Of course, I'm pretty liberal when it comes to regulating or restricting corporate behavior, so I think the firing was a travesty, notwithstanding the fact that it likely made sense from a business perspective.
The station just fired everyone with the exception of one show on 1/1/06. This guy was only on the air 8 days after taking over for the new replacements since then.

Their ratings could only go up. ;)

 
I suspect that the decision wasn't motivated by political correctness, but rather was based on the conclusion that firing the guy would cause less damage to the station's ratings and advertising revenues than keeping him on the air and dealing with the backlash.  Of course, I'm pretty liberal when it comes to regulating or restricting corporate behavior, so I think the firing was a travesty, notwithstanding the fact that it likely made sense from a business perspective.
Exactly. They fired him right away because it was just easier.
And since they already "did the right thing" all of the negative publicity is just free advertising.
 
How cool would it be if Rice called the radio station to get the guy's job back. :thumbup:

Anyone who thinks he should have been fired needs to turn the senstivity way, WAY down. :thumbdown:
If she did I would have a new found respect for her.
 
Two things don't sit right with me...

First, as mentioned before, the show should have been on a delay
Apparently it's pretty common pratice in the radio industry to not have a delay at certain times of the day so that they can "catch up" and do weather reports etc. That's why it made it out.
be a "coup" if an African American were to be appointed as the commissioner of the NFL? I didn't realize that African Americans were attempting to overthrow the NFL? How does that even apply?
:rolleyes: Yeah, it wouldn't be a big deal at all for a black woman to run the most successful and profitable sports league made up of all white male owners with the exception of Georgia who is despised because of her gender.

 
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This is one of those things that just makes you shake your head.  Guy loses his job for literally a slip of the tongue.  He was actually trying to be complimentary of one of our leaders (another mistake in this political climate, I guess).
so if he had said the "n" word, you would have been ok with it? what about any of the other racial epithets that are in use? what about anti-semitic? they aren't acceptable under any circumstances, i think. if he can't keep his act together while on the air then he has no business being on the air. what's silly is that you're chalking it up to political correctness. he wasn't mean spirited about the use of the word, i know, but it doesn't change the fact that it was said. the difference between he and a louis farrakhan is that he can he held accountable for his stupidity.
If he simply misspoke the word though don't you think it's a little harsh? I mean come on.
it's not like he's never going to work again. he misspoke, which i understand, but that doesn't make it ok. seriously, you think it's ok for him to use the n word? how about any other racial or ethnic slur? it's a zero tolerance thing for me. none of them are acceptable. he's not a victim but instead an idiot.
if he was talking about "Winnie the Pooh" and accidentally made an "n" sound instead of a "t" sound in "Tigger" and immediately apologized for saying it realizing that he just misspoke a word, I would have no problem with the station not firing him and would probably never listen to that station again if they did fire him...
 
NAACP chapter president Harold Crumpton commended Dorsey for his swift action.
:rolleyes: What a joke
:goodposting: I don't see a single thing here that was anything close to cause for dismissal.

Gutless PC-phobes afraid of certain political backlash. Will someone, anyone, in power one day stand up to such ridiculousness? No chance.

 
be a "coup" if an African American were to be appointed as the commissioner of the NFL? I didn't realize that African Americans were attempting to overthrow the NFL? How does that even apply?
:rolleyes: Yeah, it wouldn't be a big deal at all for a black woman to run the most successful and profitable sports league made up of all white male owners with the exception of Georgia who is despised because of her gender.
I'm not saying it wouldn't be a big deal - you're right, it would be a HUGE deal.But to call it a "coup"...? That's probably the last word I would think of in that situation. When I read the story I honestly had NO idea what he meant to say instead of "coon" until it was pointed out.

 
you don't get out to the hinterland in the south much, huh? growing up in tennessee and north carolina, i have seen more than my share of this.
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