Poll: Does Vincent Jackson Start OVER Malcom Floyd (1 Viewer)

[Touchdown There]

The Vincent Jackson news today has created some buzz. All the owners who have held a roster spot for him now expect production from him down the stretch. For every Vincent Jackson owner who took a chance, there is a Floyd owner who bet against him. Look how they compare to date.

NFL.com receiving stats 2010

As you can see, Floyd is #3 in receiving yards on the year. His five game totals stretched over 16 games would be: 1593 yards, 9 TDs.

NFL.com receiving stats 2009

Last year, Vincent Jackson performed at #9 on this list at 1,167 yards and 9 TDs. Both wide receivers are playing the X wide receiver role starting for the San Diego Chargers, same QB, one year apart. Right now Vincent Jackson has not signed his contract and his camp has not verified that he will. Keep in mind that if Jackson does report, it is with the intent to earn the UFA status and to promptly sign a big contract with another team when the season is over.

Let's imagine that Vincent Jackson does report and he is eligible to play in week 12. Vote on this poll as if you were Norv Turner and you had to make a coaching decision for playing time.

 

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[Road Warriors]

Opinion/speculation only.

I don't see SD forcing Floyd to the sidelines to insert Jackson if he continues to play at the level he as thus far. Jackson won't be back next year, that we know. If Floyd is producing at or near the level of Jackson in his career year, I don't see much upside for the team to pull the guy that will be back for the guy that sat 10 games and is leaving after the season.

If Floyd stops producing at a high level, maybe Jackson provides some upside if they're in the playoff hunt. The other way I see Jackson getting some meaningful snaps is if Floyd can upgrade the passing attack from one of the other receiver positions and Jackson provides no dropoff from Floyd filling the X.

My guess is Jackson doesn't see the field much at all after coming back.

 

[Touchdown There]

Going to add some measurables to make the bump worthwhile.

Measureables: Vincent Jackson 6'5" tall

Weight 40 yd 20 ss 3-cone Vert

241 lb 4.48s 4.08s 6.84[1] 39 in

Measureables: Malcom Floyd 6'5" tall

Weight 40 yd 20 ss 3-cone Vert

226 lb 4.44s 4.18s 6.66s 38 in

Weights are current, all other data is pre-draft info.

 

[kevzilla]

I think the likeliest outcome is Jackson pulls a hamstring, real or imagined, by Thanksgiving. It he so much as looks at somebody wrong, the Chargers give him the full Keyshawn treatment. Floyd keeps putting up the numbers.

 

[Debeucci]

In a perfect storm:

Jackson reports in shape

Turner backs Jackson

Teammates back Jackson

Jackson performs

Jackson resumes 1A role, and with Floyd become a potent 1A/1B duo for remainder of season

More than likely scenario:

Jackson reports

Jackson claims mystery injury

Jackson sits for the rest of the season

Jackson bolts.

 

[Touchdown There]

Are Vincent Jackson owners holding a roster spot for him to get 1A/1B timeshare production? This may be VJax best case scenario and his fantasy stats would be poo.

 

[kutta]

Are Vincent Jackson owners holding a roster spot for him to get 1A/1B timeshare production? This may be VJax best case scenario and his fantasy stats would be poo.

I own both Jackson and Floyd. I am riding Floyd until proven otherwise. I will not waive Jackson because if the possibility exists that he supplants Floyd as the #1 around FF playoff time, I can plug him in at that time.My expectation is that I will be playing Floyd each week and Jackson will not start for me the rest of the year.

 

[Mikey16x]

I don't see Jackson coming in and playing his hardest. Why risk being injured? He's clearly going through the motions to earn his accredited season. My guess is he is suspended for conduct detrimental to the team for the last few games.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Vincent hasnt lost his starting position. There is a reason he was there in the first place and he has kept himself in football shape and will get 3 weeks of practice with his team to take back that position before the first game in week 12.

 

[NinerFan49]

In a perfect storm:Jackson reports in shapeTurner backs JacksonTeammates back JacksonJackson performsJackson resumes 1A role, and with Floyd become a potent 1A/1B duo for remainder of seasonMore than likely scenario:Jackson reportsJackson claims mystery injuryJackson sits for the rest of the seasonJackson bolts.

1. It's possible that Jackson's contract has incentives that he can only reach by playing well (number of passes caught, number of games he starts, etc).2. If Jackson wants his next contract to be a good one, faking an injury isn't a good idea, something his agent is likely to point out.

 

[Hugonel]

How is Jackson actually better?

If Floyd is playing well, why replace him? It appears their physical tools are nearly identical (scary).

Does one player have bad hands compared to the other?

Run poor routes?

 

[Road Warriors]

In a perfect storm:

Jackson reports in shape

Turner backs Jackson

Teammates back Jackson

Jackson performs

Jackson resumes 1A role, and with Floyd become a potent 1A/1B duo for remainder of season

More than likely scenario:

Jackson reports

Jackson claims mystery injury

Jackson sits for the rest of the season

Jackson bolts.

1. It's possible that Jackson's contract has incentives that he can only reach by playing well (number of passes caught, number of games he starts, etc).2. If Jackson wants his next contract to be a good one, faking an injury isn't a good idea, something his agent is likely to point out.

With regards to #2... I'd suggest that sitting out wasn't a good idea for getting a good next contract. Someone may give him a top-tier WR contract after this, but I'm not convinced he'll play up to it. And sitting out will take a number of teams out of the running for him as a free agent.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Vincent hasnt lost his starting position. There is a reason he was there in the first place and he has kept himself in football shape and will get 3 weeks of practice with his team to take back that position before the first game in week 12.

Is anyone paying attention to the Revis situation?

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

My guess is he is suspended for conduct detrimental to the team for the last few games.

If I'm the Chargers and he doesn't give 100% that is exactly what I'd do the first time he so much as parks with a tire touching a line.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

When Vjax reports, Both him and FLoyd will be starting, just like last year.

The X spot however will probably be Vjax.

 

[Road Warriors]

When Vjax reports, Both him and FLoyd will be starting, just like last year.The X spot however will probably be Vjax.

Opinion or other inside info? Do you think VJax coming off a 10 week layoff will make this offense better? I have my doubts, but I'm interested in hearing a homer opinion of how he fits, if there's any chatter about the team, coaches, etc and lingering animosity due to the holdout and likely departure at the end of the year.From the outside, it looks like the offense is clicking quite well with Floyd and Gates, among the league leaders in yards and scoring. I wonder if disrupting what they've done through 5 weeks and will build upon for the next 5 weeks, that is having success, to add in a player that will be leaving at the end of the season is the direction the Chargers will take.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

When Vjax reports, Both him and FLoyd will be starting, just like last year.The X spot however will probably be Vjax.

Opinion or other inside info? Do you think VJax coming off a 10 week layoff will make this offense better? I have my doubts, but I'm interested in hearing a homer opinion of how he fits, if there's any chatter about the team, coaches, etc and lingering animosity due to the holdout and likely departure at the end of the year.From the outside, it looks like the offense is clicking quite well with Floyd and Gates, among the league leaders in yards and scoring. I wonder if disrupting what they've done through 5 weeks and will build upon for the next 5 weeks, that is having success, to add in a player that will be leaving at the end of the season is the direction the Chargers will take.

you play to win the games. Vjax is better than Floyd, he is. Norv, Rivers the team wants to make a playoff run. The X WR spot is Vajx's. now will he play hard? will he work hard? If he dont I doubt he plays much. Its a business and jobs are on the line, I highly doubt Norv doesnt play him if he is healthy and working hard.

 

[Sweet Love]

How is Jackson actually better?If Floyd is playing well, why replace him? It appears their physical tools are nearly identical (scary). Does one player have bad hands compared to the other?Run poor routes?

I have to admit, I am surprised at what Floyd has done thus far. While I realize Gates has been there and was the #1 receiving target and when LT was there they were a running team, even now, I can't get my mind around the fact that it took Floyd 7 years to finally break out. It is not like he had a Harrison AND Wayne in front of him all that time. Even jackson was drafted a year after him and floyd could not secure the #2 WR spot. Chambers was in that spot the last couple of years, but the reason they traded for him was due to the fact that Floyd never got it together.I stared down Floyd in all my drafts and took a lesser receiver in every one of them. I am not bitter about it, just shocked. Part of me is waiting for the wheels to come off, but kudos to him, I don't think it will happen.

 

[craxie]

1. It's possible that Jackson's contract has incentives that he can only reach by playing well (number of passes caught, number of games he starts, etc).

VJ's 'contract' is the reduced tender and he will never get anything else from the chargersSo no incentives of any sortNot to mention he was willing to sit out the entire season for $3 million, so any incentives would have to be ridiculously high to change his mind

 

[Tau837]

How is Jackson actually better?If Floyd is playing well, why replace him? It appears their physical tools are nearly identical (scary). Does one player have bad hands compared to the other?Run poor routes?

I have to admit, I am surprised at what Floyd has done thus far. While I realize Gates has been there and was the #1 receiving target and when LT was there they were a running team, even now, I can't get my mind around the fact that it took Floyd 7 years to finally break out. It is not like he had a Harrison AND Wayne in front of him all that time. Even jackson was drafted a year after him and floyd could not secure the #2 WR spot. Chambers was in that spot the last couple of years, but the reason they traded for him was due to the fact that Floyd never got it together.I stared down Floyd in all my drafts and took a lesser receiver in every one of them. I am not bitter about it, just shocked. Part of me is waiting for the wheels to come off, but kudos to him, I don't think it will happen.

Floyd had a great stretch in 2008 in which he was WR26 over a several week span before getting injured and knocked out for the season. Then in 2009 the team traded Chambers away midseason to make room for Floyd, and he played well as a starter. That included a great game when Jackson sat out week 17 last year, which showed what he could do with a large number of targets. All the signs were there, as I posted many times during the offseason/preseason.

 

[Touchdown There]

Opinion/speculation only.

I don't see SD forcing Floyd to the sidelines to insert Jackson if he continues to play at the level he as thus far. Jackson won't be back next year, that we know. If Floyd is producing at or near the level of Jackson in his career year, I don't see much upside for the team to pull the guy that will be back for the guy that sat 10 games and is leaving after the season.

Road Warrior used a key word in just the third post of this thread: upside. There is no upside to inserting Vincent Jackson at the X. In a case where two players seem equal, you always go with the guy that will be on the squad next year. In this "business" players are more sensitive than you think. Demoting Floyd would be an emotional pimp slap to his self-esteem. There would be no reason to do this to a player who is producing as good or better as the player incoming for just a few games.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Vincent hasnt lost his starting position. There is a reason he was there in the first place and he has kept himself in football shape and will get 3 weeks of practice with his team to take back that position before the first game in week 12.

Is anyone paying attention to the Revis situation?

Revis situation?

 

[BallparkFrank]

Vincent hasnt lost his starting position. There is a reason he was there in the first place and he has kept himself in football shape and will get 3 weeks of practice with his team to take back that position before the first game in week 12.

Is anyone paying attention to the Revis situation?

Revis situation?

Guy sits out over a contract, misses practices leading up to the season and then when he finally signs and suits up, he immediately gets injured likely due to missing so much time.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Opinion/speculation only.

I don't see SD forcing Floyd to the sidelines to insert Jackson if he continues to play at the level he as thus far. Jackson won't be back next year, that we know. If Floyd is producing at or near the level of Jackson in his career year, I don't see much upside for the team to pull the guy that will be back for the guy that sat 10 games and is leaving after the season.

Road Warrior used a key word in just the third post of this thread: upside. There is no upside to inserting Vincent Jackson at the X. In a case where two players seem equal, you always go with the guy that will be on the squad next year. In this "business" players are more sensitive than you think. Demoting Floyd would be an emotional pimp slap to his self-esteem. There would be no reason to do this to a player who is producing as good or better as the player incoming for just a few games.

There is no certainty that VJAX will not be a charger next year. He hasnt been traded for high round picks and I doubt AJ lets him just walk next year as a free agent and settling for a 3rd or 4th round compensatory pick. There is always the franchise tag. Whether or not that is what plays out, the Chargers will put the best player at the position that gives them a chance to win this year. Coaches and players could care less about AJ and the business side of this drama they have always been on good terms with Vincent Jackson and I imagine they are exuberant that he will be returning in time to help them with the playoffs. I agree with other posters that both Jackson and Floyd will be the starters week 12 onward and the X spot will return to Jackson who is the more talented and physical receiver. The Schedule has helped Floyd imo, he is good but not VJ good.

 

[az_prof]

Opinion/speculation only.I don't see SD forcing Floyd to the sidelines to insert Jackson if he continues to play at the level he as thus far. Jackson won't be back next year, that we know. If Floyd is producing at or near the level of Jackson in his career year, I don't see much upside for the team to pull the guy that will be back for the guy that sat 10 games and is leaving after the season.If Floyd stops producing at a high level, maybe Jackson provides some upside if they're in the playoff hunt. The other way I see Jackson getting some meaningful snaps is if Floyd can upgrade the passing attack from one of the other receiver positions and Jackson provides no dropoff from Floyd filling the X. My guess is Jackson doesn't see the field much at all after coming back.

Why would you sit the guy who showed up and played and replace him with a guy who has been holding out, causing the team bad publicity, and who will be gone in a few weeks? Plus, what kind of shape is he in? Unless Floyd plays badly, Jackson will probably come in on three WR sets.

 

[IronMen]

So most on this thread feel FLoyd is the man in SD - even after the return of the VJax....I hope apposing D's feel the same a double cover Mr Floyd leaving Vjax in one on one coverage thru the FF playoffs at least....

Own Rivers and VJax.

 

[NinerFan49]

1. It's possible that Jackson's contract has incentives that he can only reach by playing well (number of passes caught, number of games he starts, etc).

VJ's 'contract' is the reduced tender and he will never get anything else from the chargersSo no incentives of any sortNot to mention he was willing to sit out the entire season for $3 million, so any incentives would have to be ridiculously high to change his mind

you're right. I stand corrected on the "incentives" comment.but... I still think it's silly to think VJax will fake an injury or do anything to avoid playing as well as he can. this contract holdout has hurt his image enough... so if he wants his next contract to be a good one, he needs to be on his best behavior for the rest of the season. being a malingerer on a team that is in the late stages of a playoff run (which the chargers should be) is clearly not in his best interest...

 

[NinerFan49]

Why would you sit the guy who showed up and played and replace him with a guy who has been holding out, causing the team bad publicity, and who will be gone in a few weeks?

why does VJax have to replace Floyd? why can't they both start? are there two receivers on the team better than VJax?

 

[Gr00vus]

you play to win the games. Vjax is better than Floyd, he is. Norv, Rivers the team wants to make a playoff run. The X WR spot is Vajx's. now will he play hard? will he work hard? If he dont I doubt he plays much. Its a business and jobs are on the line, I highly doubt Norv doesnt play him if he is healthy and working hard.

If/when Jackson comes back I think he'll get most of his reps at X. It's what he's accustomed too and he's not going to have a ton of lead time to get used to playing the other spots. Floyd has played the other spots regularly up until this season so it'll be less of an adjustment for him. If they get both guys on the field and Matthews healthy it'll be hell on earth for opposing defenses. I'd expect the targets for Jackson and Floyd to be roughly equal in that situation. And like BSS says, if Jackson dogs it he'll end up inactive on game days. At the price he'll be playing for that's really no skin off the Chargers' nose.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

and BTW everyone just because Vjax goes to the X spot, doesnt mean that he will out produce Floyd once he comes back.

Floyd Vjax and Gates will all be on the field at the same time with Naanee/Crayton at the slot. Buster davis will be, well buster daivs

 

[Touchdown There]

Why would you sit the guy who showed up and played and replace him with a guy who has been holding out, causing the team bad publicity, and who will be gone in a few weeks?

why does VJax have to replace Floyd? why can't they both start? are there two receivers on the team better than VJax?

The replacement issue is at the X position, which has direct fantasy football implications. Yes, both players can start for the Chargers. This thread is about fantasy. The last few years have shown that the player in the X role outproduces the Z. Of course Gates is the #1 target, with the X WR the next best producer. Right now would you rather start Naanee (Z) or Floyd (X)? I took both players in most fantasy drafts, because it was not clear who was going to get the X role before the start of the season.Many people think that Jackson is better because he outproduced Floyd last year. Floyd played the Z last year. If he is bumped out of the X, he is almost certain to earn fewer fantasy points and everyone in this thread will say "See! I told you Jackson was better". There is a very direct impact on fantasy stats that cannot be ignored. Jackson and Floyd have a similar skill set best fit at the X. Even if Floyd retains the X and does better statistically than Jackson at the end of the year (if he comes back) it will not be because he is clearly better or worse as a football player. It is because he has been given the X WR role, which is a golden ticket on the Chargers offense with Rivers at the helm.I will run the poll again if Vincent Jackson does return sometime later in the year, but I fully expect Floyd to do well and retain the X. I can see now that 50% agree with this notion and the other half do not. We will see.

 

[California]

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but Vjax reporting back to the Chargers is probably the 2nd worst thing that could have happened. Worst being he sits out all year.

I own both Vjax and Floyd. I was really hoping Vjax got traded. I don't know what to expect back on the Chargers. I'm hoping his head is screwed on right but I don't know. It's not like the Chargers really missed him in terms of offensive performance. Rivers is averaging 350 yards and 2 tds per game. Gates is playing like a Greek God and Floyd is on pace to have a better year than Vjax had last year. Chargers aren't losing because of Vjax.

I'm actively trying to move Vjax now to an excited owner. In leagues where I don't have Floyd, the news make it hopefully easier to lower the buy price to acquire him.

 

[Tau837]

you play to win the games. Vjax is better than Floyd, he is. Norv, Rivers the team wants to make a playoff run. The X WR spot is Vajx's. now will he play hard? will he work hard? If he dont I doubt he plays much. Its a business and jobs are on the line, I highly doubt Norv doesnt play him if he is healthy and working hard.

If/when Jackson comes back I think he'll get most of his reps at X. It's what he's accustomed too and he's not going to have a ton of lead time to get used to playing the other spots. Floyd has played the other spots regularly up until this season so it'll be less of an adjustment for him. If they get both guys on the field and Matthews healthy it'll be hell on earth for opposing defenses. I'd expect the targets for Jackson and Floyd to be roughly equal in that situation. And like BSS says, if Jackson dogs it he'll end up inactive on game days. At the price he'll be playing for that's really no skin off the Chargers' nose.

 

[Raider Nation]

This is really a fascinating situation. I grabbed VJ last night. No harm in stashing him on the bench for a while. The main reason I picked him up was a quote I saw last night - which I can't find at the moment - from one of the Chargers beat guys (Acee maybe?) which indicated that Norv wants to get Jackson back into the mix immediately as soon as he is eligible to play. Probably no shock there. Turner doesn't seem like the spiteful type.

If I can find the quote, I'll post it.

 

[Touchdown There]

Would love to see the quote. Starting or not, he will definitely be "in the mix".

 

[Breesisdaman]

Why would you sit the guy who showed up and played and replace him with a guy who has been holding out, causing the team bad publicity, and who will be gone in a few weeks?

why does VJax have to replace Floyd? why can't they both start? are there two receivers on the team better than VJax?

The replacement issue is at the X position, which has direct fantasy football implications. Yes, both players can start for the Chargers. This thread is about fantasy. The last few years have shown that the player in the X role outproduces the Z. Of course Gates is the #1 target, with the X WR the next best producer. Right now would you rather start Naanee (Z) or Floyd (X)? I took both players in most fantasy drafts, because it was not clear who was going to get the X role before the start of the season.Many people think that Jackson is better because he outproduced Floyd last year. Floyd played the Z last year. If he is bumped out of the X, he is almost certain to earn fewer fantasy points and everyone in this thread will say "See! I told you Jackson was better". There is a very direct impact on fantasy stats that cannot be ignored. Jackson and Floyd have a similar skill set best fit at the X. Even if Floyd retains the X and does better statistically than Jackson at the end of the year (if he comes back) it will not be because he is clearly better or worse as a football player. It is because he has been given the X WR role, which is a golden ticket on the Chargers offense with Rivers at the helm.

I will run the poll again if Vincent Jackson does return sometime later in the year, but I fully expect Floyd to do well and retain the X. I can see now that 50% agree with this notion and the other half do not. We will see.

It sounds like you really wanted that Chargers x position and even went to lengths to draft both Chargers Wr's to cover that and now VJ is throwing a wrench into the works for you. If I were you I would trade for VJ right now in all your leagues where you have done this. You have a lot at stake and have invested a lot there so right now is the time to get VJ before he is on the field and his value goes up.

 

[Touchdown There]

Why would you sit the guy who showed up and played and replace him with a guy who has been holding out, causing the team bad publicity, and who will be gone in a few weeks?

why does VJax have to replace Floyd? why can't they both start? are there two receivers on the team better than VJax?

The replacement issue is at the X position, which has direct fantasy football implications. Yes, both players can start for the Chargers. This thread is about fantasy. The last few years have shown that the player in the X role outproduces the Z. Of course Gates is the #1 target, with the X WR the next best producer. Right now would you rather start Naanee (Z) or Floyd (X)? I took both players in most fantasy drafts, because it was not clear who was going to get the X role before the start of the season.Many people think that Jackson is better because he outproduced Floyd last year. Floyd played the Z last year. If he is bumped out of the X, he is almost certain to earn fewer fantasy points and everyone in this thread will say "See! I told you Jackson was better". There is a very direct impact on fantasy stats that cannot be ignored. Jackson and Floyd have a similar skill set best fit at the X. Even if Floyd retains the X and does better statistically than Jackson at the end of the year (if he comes back) it will not be because he is clearly better or worse as a football player. It is because he has been given the X WR role, which is a golden ticket on the Chargers offense with Rivers at the helm.

I will run the poll again if Vincent Jackson does return sometime later in the year, but I fully expect Floyd to do well and retain the X. I can see now that 50% agree with this notion and the other half do not. We will see.

It sounds like you really wanted that Chargers x position and even went to lengths to draft both Chargers Wr's to cover that and now VJ is throwing a wrench into the works for you. If I were you I would trade for VJ right now in all your leagues where you have done this. You have a lot at stake and have invested a lot there so right now is the time to get VJ before he is on the field and his value goes up.

VJ has not signed yet and he is not the starting X WR for the Chargers. I did draft for the Chargers X position. However, this thread is about whether or not it makes sense for the Chargers to insert VJ into the lineup for just a few weeks (if he even signs) and demote Floyd. The poll gives you one vote.As much as this thread is about Floyd, VJ and coaching decisions, you seem to like to make things personal and antagonize. It is childish. This is a forum to debate all things NFL and people will have different opinions. You can also see from the poll results that your opinion is in the minority. Please stop hounding me personally and let things play out on the field.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Not intended that way and I'm sorry if it came across as such. I have very little invested in this situation and own Nicks, AJ, Jennings,Owens and Harvin so I'm covered if my waiver grab of VJ doesnt pay off. You on the other hand went out of your way to draft both Naanee and Floyd to get this spot so following that logic it makes perfect sense to go out and get a Pro Bowl WR that has a much greater chance at that position than Naanee ever did. I am being serious about this and it is not to antagonize. Look at what you have on your rosters and make a play for VJ. It is advise based on what you have said so take it or leave it for what that advise is worth. Maybe VJ doesnt take the X Wr spot but then again maybe he does and if so your gamble has paid off once again. I wouldn't let the results of a poll on a forum sway your thinking either the simple fact is these are all opinions mostly influenced by what players are on the voters roster. It will be a nice thread to bump once we actually do know what happens in week 12. But please don't think I have something personal against you or am antagonizing you because I read through the lines of your posts and see that what you really want is information that will help you make an informed move in your situation. I just cut to the chase and gave you my best opinion of the matter so nothing personal against you here.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I don't know what the Chargers will do, but if I were Norv, I'd put Jackson at the X and move Floyd back to the Z. I think lining up a yard off the line of scrimmage will make a bigger difference to Floyd than it will to Jackson. Jackson is more physical in his release, and the extra yard of space doesn't mean as much to him. (Either guy can play either spot just fine, though.)

In terms of production, I don't think the X versus Z thing makes a huge difference. Floyd was very productive at the Z spot last year after displacing Chambers as the starter. He was lacking in touchdowns, but that's hit-or-miss. He did rack up a decent number of catches and yards.

It is easier to draw single man-to-man coverage from the X spot. But the Z has the advantage of getting to run combination routes with Antonio Gates, which is also a good way to get open. With Jackson, Gates, and Floyd all on the field together, none of them will get Roddy White-level targets. Jackson's presence will make Gates and Floyd a bit less valuable in fantasy terms, but Rivers owners should be very happy.

 

[Touchdown There]

One of the reasons I posted this poll, Maurile, is because I read your thoughts on VJ in the original buzz thread a few days back. My opinion was different than yours, so I posted the poll to see if my logic was way off base. Looks to be a pretty even split on how this could play out, but I expect that to change as Floyd continues to produce. If he does not, the job will likely go to VJ. When a player is in the midst of a career year, it would be an odd decision to knock him out of his groove.

Btw, I first thought your icon was a Jesus fish variant. Then I Googled "Tinky Winky" from your icon and now I am really confused.

 

[two_dollars]

After the whole week of buzz about this guy, these were the guys picked up in my 10 man start 3 wr PPR: Steve Johnson, Deion Branch, Kenny Britt. NOT picked up: Vincent Jackson. Given the people in my league, I think this speaks volume about his outlook.

 

[Breesisdaman]

After the whole week of buzz about this guy, these were the guys picked up in my 10 man start 3 wr PPR: Steve Johnson, Deion Branch, Kenny Britt. NOT picked up: Vincent Jackson. Given the people in my league, I think this speaks volume about his outlook.

VJ isnt going to be available for people to plug in to their line ups until week 12. You are really kind of voiding a roster spot by carrying him for that long. Some FF teams cant afford to do that and need immediate help. If you can afford the roster spot for VJ then I think it is a wise move. For example this week I could have had Beanie Wells, Kenny Britt and VJ. I have Foster, Sjax, McCoy, FredJax/ AJ, Jennings , Nicks, Harvin, and T.O., I didnt see where Wells or Brit would ever make it to my starting roster. VJ could however if things go a certain way in San Deigo. It is really the kind of information that doesnt correlate to VJax's real FF value. He will be available for 3 regular FF games and two playoff games if your team makes it that far so that really makes him an unneeded luxury for a lot of owners. Every FF team's needs are different.

 

[NinerFan49]

Thanks for that detailed answer, velveta22. My take is that there's a good chance that VJ will be a starter after he returns so I'm going to hold on to him.

 

[nysportsfan]

Btw, I first thought your icon was a Jesus fish variant. Then I Googled "Tinky Winky" from your icon and now I am really confused.

It's actually for a board member that passed way too young, hence for Shining Path. Dude was a good guy and contributed greatly. SOme of the all time threads were due to his witty, intelligent, humor.

 

[Raider Nation]

Would love to see the quote. Starting or not, he will definitely be "in the mix".

I found it. Looks like it was more speculation on the part of the writer rather than something Norv said.

ESPN.com's Bill Williamson believes coach Norv Turner "will not hesitate" to mix Vincent Jackson into the offense as soon as he's eligible to play.

"As long as he is in uniform, expect him to play well and further make his case for a big contract in free agency," writes Williamson. Jackson's relationship with GM A.J. Smith is irreparably damaged, but there's too much money on the line for him to give less than full effort in the final six games.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...6074&spln=1

 

[Dizzy]

I voted YES for Jackson's full takeover as Option 1 in the passing game!

My reasoning... I'm playing against a Floyd owner this week (I'm so ashamed).

 

[da_budman]

I voted YES for Jackson's full takeover as Option 1 in the passing game!

My reasoning... I'm playing against a Floyd owner this week (I'm so ashamed).

I think you are going to be sadly disappointed in Jackson's production this week. In fact I would go so far as to say benching DJax would be a pretty good idea.

 

[wudaben]

Jackson will be the X and Floyd will be the Z because Jackson already knows the playbook for the X and Floyd the Z! It's not like Floyd has been playing for years at the X and replacing him will disrupt the offense, he is most likely just more recently familiar with the Z and Jackson the X.

 

[Touchdown There]

V. Jackson to report next week

News: Vincent Jackson's agent says he's told the San Diego Chargers that the WR will report next week and sign his contract tender. By reporting Oct. 29, Jackson will be able to serve a three-game, team-imposed suspension on the roster exempt list, then play in the final six games to accrue his sixth season toward unrestricted free agency. Jackson and Schwartz said earlier this fall that the receiver likely wouldn't play this year. However, Schwartz says that with the current labor uncertainty, it would be best to accrue a sixth season and become an unrestricted free agent. Jackson has refused to report because he's unhappy at not getting a long-term deal.

Analysis: Jackson had to report to Chargers camp by Oct. 31 in order to earn an accrued season and thus be an unrestricted free agent in 2011, so this news doesn't come as anything too surprising. A multi-game suspension is also awaiting Jackson if he does indeed end up signing a tender, so who knows how much he will play this season. If you can afford to stash Jackson away at the bottom of your bench for at least another month or so, then go ahead and do so.