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http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/06/19/...oblem-for-zorn/I am a huge Portis fan but I hadn't heard what Riggins said about the situation until just now. This isn't good. But Snyder and Portis have more pull than the coaches it sounds like. hmm
Riggins has detested Portis for years, badmouthed him for years. After games where Portis has played hurt and played well, Riggins has minimized it and found fault with him. On his radio show he'd regularly go off on anti-Portis tangents, and none of his guests or co-hosts would follow. It was kind of embarrassing radio --- you could hear that Riggins really has it in for the guy. I don't know the cause of it; my guess would be because Portis is a flamboyant RB like Riggins and he broke Riggins' team rushing record. But he's been saying this crap for years and all it reveals is "John hates Clinton".
Uhh... he is the head coach.
This, plus Florio's muckraking, is what led to this article. It's a non-story that appears to be manufactured.Well then maybe, just maybe, Zorn should act like he knows what the **** he's doing.
I see you belong to the "give respect because I tell you to" school of thought.
Who has to actually do something to earn it?Zorn hasn't shown to be a good coach yet. Like I said though, Portis should respect him, but he also should earn it.
did you ever play sports?I see you belong to the "give respect because I tell you to" school of thought.Who has to actually do something to earn it?Zorn hasn't shown to be a good coach yet. Like I said though, Portis should respect him, but he also should earn it.
My coaches were able to earn our respect. We gave it to them initially just because they were the coach, they kept it. Zorn appears to have failed in this.did you ever play sports?I see you belong to the "give respect because I tell you to" school of thought.
I'm not entirely sure he was ever put in a good position to earn it. I mean, it's still on him to earn that respect, sort of, but nonetheless it's never seemed like he was put into a good situation. He bears part blame and I'm sure he'll be the scapegoat if things go poorly, but there's a lot of blame to spread beyond just him.
makes it out to be.
It is about respecting Zorn's authority and not about respecting Zorn himself. Zorn does have to earn that.I see you belong to the "give respect because I tell you to" school of thought.
It is about respecting Zorn's authority and not about respecting Zorn himself. Zorn does have to earn that.I see you belong to the "give respect because I tell you to" school of thought.Who has to actually do something to earn it?Zorn hasn't shown to be a good coach yet. Like I said though, Portis should respect him, but he also should earn it.
This is the correct answer
To a large degree, I agree with you. However (and I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong) I don't recall Portis having issues with previous coaches. Of course, his previous coaches all had earned respect. When I look at Zorn's career, it isn't impressive. His owner didn't even want him to be the Head Coach at first. I've been around plenty of people whose positions deserved respect but they didn't personally. It doesn't usually work well for anyone. The position only gets you so far, it's what you do personally that counts after the first few minutes. There's a reason Tomlin doesn't have this issue.It is about respecting Zorn's authority and not about respecting Zorn himself. Zorn does have to earn that.I see you belong to the "give respect because I tell you to" school of thought.Who has to actually do something to earn it?Zorn hasn't shown to be a good coach yet. Like I said though, Portis should respect him, but he also should earn it.
They're really rolling with it, though, aren't they?A quote from John Riggins (who has an axe to grind). A quote from January.Doesn't take much.
There's been no whiff of this being true.
Well you and Tbell are definitly know more about the situation than me. Like I said I was suprised.It isn't a good thing for Portis opportunity when he is having a power struggle with the coaching staff. This may partialy explain why his carries tapered off later in the season. Although I am mostly sure it was more due to the defense. I wonder if there may be issues over Portis getting the ball this year because the coaches hate him.
CP was upset in the later part of last season because he felt that they didn't stay with the run as much. He attributed it to Zorn and that is where the tension got built up. It's not a full out disrespect as it is being portrayed in the article. CP is just like any of the other star players in that their ego needs stroking and as mentioned before CP has always been a bit petulant. As mentioned previously also, this a very old story for Redskins nation and surprisingly PFT has stored in moth balls and brought it out for an off-season breaking news. All of these antics come with the territory of star players, so nothing to really see here.Also, Ripley stated previously that Riggo is one to talk because off the field you never knew what you got with his drunken butt. The ONLY reason he lasted with Gibbs is for the fact on gameday...he performed as the diesel and ran over boddies on a regular basis. Riggo might not have been the same type of ego maniac as CP, but he had plenty of issues...so, hearing anything from him is like the pot calling the kettle black.To a large degree, I agree with you. However (and I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong) I don't recall Portis having issues with previous coaches. Of course, his previous coaches all had earned respect. When I look at Zorn's career, it isn't impressive. His owner didn't even want him to be the Head Coach at first. I've been around plenty of people whose positions deserved respect but they didn't personally. It doesn't usually work well for anyone. The position only gets you so far, it's what you do personally that counts after the first few minutes. There's a reason Tomlin doesn't have this issue.It is about respecting Zorn's authority and not about respecting Zorn himself. Zorn does have to earn that.I see you belong to the "give respect because I tell you to" school of thought.
Their first 7 games include the Lions, Rams, and Chiefs.
How do you know? Were you in the locker room?Portis is just sooky about his lack of carries when he was benched last season."I go out there and give it everything I've got. If I can run through the week I'd practice, if I can't then I ain't. And I'm not gonna force myself to go onto a field and do something crazy, and then all of the sudden I'm out. What I need to be around for is Sundays and that's what I try to be around for. So I mean, if you've got a problem with me not practicing and can't do it that way, maybe you feel like you need to sever ties, split ties with me? Split ties with me. But don't sit here and throw me out like I don't pay attention, like I don't know what's going on, like I'm making mistakes, I'm the problem. You know, so, it is what it is, bro."My coaches were able to earn our respect. We gave it to them initially just because they were the coach, they kept it. Zorn appears to have failed in this.did you ever play sports?I see you belong to the "give respect because I tell you to" school of thought.
Sort of like saluting the rank, not the man.It is about respecting Zorn's authority and not about respecting Zorn himself. Zorn does have to earn that.I see you belong to the "give respect because I tell you to" school of thought.
Jason Wood said:
A couple of comments. There's no doubt that the road to Zorn's hiring was unusual and long - he was after all hired as the OC before being promoted to being the head coach two weeks or so later when the team decided that he was the guy. That said, this stuff about team respect is lame. The team is behind him and when they started strong (6-2 IIRC) he had them hip-hip-hooraying in the locker room and signing his praises for his creative approach to offense. Ultimately talent, opposing defenses' adaptations and injuries all undermined that, but I've heard zero about players grumbling about Zorn aside from that one in-season episode I mentioned above with Portis. Zorn is not any less qualified to fill his role than is Harbaugh, who was a special teams coach before he was hired by the Ravens, or Andy Reid who like Zorn was a QB coach and had never been a coordinator when he was hired. Zorn certainly needs to develop and evolve as a coach - there are no laurels to rest on - but he's done fine so far and there's nobody who's disrespecting him.
Truman said:
This is really awful...The redskins might actually start winning games.
Colt Brennan is competing for the QB3 job, and may well never start a game for the Redskins in this or any year.
THIS.Jason Wood said:A couple of comments. There's no doubt that the road to Zorn's hiring was unusual and long - he was after all hired as the OC before being promoted to being the head coach two weeks or so later when the team decided that he was the guy. That said, this stuff about team respect is lame. The team is behind him and when they started strong (6-2 IIRC) he had them hip-hip-hooraying in the locker room and signing his praises for his creative approach to offense. Ultimately talent, opposing defenses' adaptations and injuries all undermined that, but I've heard zero about players grumbling about Zorn aside from that one in-season episode I mentioned above with Portis. Zorn is not any less qualified to fill his role than is Harbaugh, who was a special teams coach before he was hired by the Ravens, or Andy Reid who like Zorn was a QB coach and had never been a coordinator when he was hired. Zorn certainly needs to develop and evolve as a coach - there are no laurels to rest on - but he's done fine so far and there's nobody who's disrespecting him.
As for Portis-as-primadonna, there are certain players who are simply that way and smart coaches will give them some space to peacock if they produce. As we've said, the irony about Riggins' antipathy is that he was very much the same way under no less a coach than straight-laced Joe Gibbs. Riggo's the guy who held out for an entire year in a contract dispute before returning to the team declaring, "I'm bored, I'm broke and I'm back". He's also the guy about whom one of the Hogs (Bostic IIRC) recalled being so piss drunk in a team meeting that he was laying on his back on a bench peeing on him self (meaning, in a long, yellow arc) while Gibbs went right on addressing the team. Born-again Joe Gibbs was the last guy to be endorsing or enabling Riggins' drunken debauchery and slovenly ways, but Riggins prepared and performed on game days and was no more than comic relief as a distraction to the team, so Gibbs gave him leeway.
Anyway, this is all Mike Florio. It's well established in the football news biz that if you bash the Redskins you get hits galore to your website. IMHO this is Florio's cheap, easy way to show he can bring traffic to NBC.
Negatory, he is already QB3 and is competing to be the backup. Unless you have a more recent news source saying somehow Chase Daniel caught up to him.
All I have to see to ignore a story...From PFT
Whenever I see "ProFootballTalk" I just ignore everything that follows, they are like the National Enquirer of football reporting.
actually, it goes back that far, but if Portis dissed Zorn at OTA's, it's not "old news." The issue is that the little boy king has a man-crush on Portis - who is everything the little one is not (except wealthy). So they start dating - dining at Morton's, sleep-overs, etc.) and the next thing you know, the authority of everyone hired to run the team is undermined because of the love and money bestowed upon #26 (who, ironically, is one of the toughest & studliest players in the league - everything the little boy king is not)). I don't recall Rigging and the Squire paling around.My, my, won't the circling vultures be in for a shock when they swoop down to eat the "corpse" and it springs to life!
Zorn hasn't proven himself as a coach yet, and Portis is moody and petulant at times. They even clashed on the sideline once last year before making amends publicly. This is 6-8 month old news, and it is far from the crisis that Florio (the ONLY source for this :bigredflag
All I have to see to ignore a story...From PFT
Whenever I see "ProFootballTalk" I just ignore everything that follows, they are like the National Enquirer of football reporting.
So true.
I read that as Brennan is competing to be backup ahead of Collins (cause he is already firmly #3), and Chase is competing against himself just to make the squad.
This seems like many stories for their own sake at a slow time for news.
