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Portis critizes Zorn and his OL (1 Viewer)
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LivingTheDream
Footballguy
How about Portis in a Bronco's uniform? He would tear it up in that system.
Glatty
Footballguy
seriously. somebody should remind him that he was already part of the best scheme in football and he already knows what it feels like... i think it's something along the lines of.. 'damn, it feels good to be a gangsta'... now concentrate on your current situation, CP!
Mortimer Ichabod
Footballguy
The QB of the future, Colt Brennan, is already on the roster. If campbell keeps up his craptastic play, Colt will be in there soon enough
Trey
Footballguy
Englishteacher
Footballguy
The one reason I was optimistic about Zorn WAS his prowess in the passing game. I thought Gibbs was way too conservative. I guess Zorn has a ways to go to get the team going in the air.
Enforcer
Footballguy
I missed the part where he specifically criticized Zorn, or the OL. Have you ever noticed how the most inflammatory items in a piece like this aren't in quotes? Is it maybe because those weren't his words? Also, I've got a feeling if we were to see the complete interview it would really make this thread title sort of absurd. Or am I way off base here? What passes for professional journalism has sunk to a some pretty low levels, but sports journalism just makes me wretch more often that not.I guess Portis isn't horny for Zorny anymore
JuSt CuZ
Footballguy
Really dude, it sure showed against NYG!!!
I could be wrong but I think he's referring to Portis' recent lack of ability to break off a long run and his sub 4 ypc avg.Explosive he's not anymore.
Team ROFLCOPTERS
Footballguy
He seems to be in the habbit of exploding 5 yards and then start the falling forward process. He also seems to run into his blockers more than most.I could be wrong but I think he's referring to Portis' recent lack of ability to break off a long run and his sub 4 ypc avg.Explosive he's not anymore.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Gee, thanks, that is fantastic analysis. Did you happen to notice that he's been running behind one of the worst O-lines in football since the beginning of last year? You think maybe, just possibly, the lack of an O-line creating holes has impact CP's ability to break long runs?I could be wrong but I think he's referring to Portis' recent lack of ability to break off a long run and his sub 4 ypc avg.Explosive he's not anymore.
fatness
Footballguy
Portis got hit in the backfield or had an O-lineman pushed into his path on over half his plays last week. He still gained 80 yards. The problem isn't Portis.
Gibbs had Portis run into the middle of the line far too many times during his tenure. The quality of the O-line play has if anything decreased. Now Zorn has shortened up the passing game, making it even easier for the defense to stack the line of scrimmage. Press coverage on Washington's WR's and playing the run is the way to beat them, and most other teams know it now. Their O-line just isn't very good any more, and most of their plays can be disrupted. Portis has every right to feel the way he does.
That being said, he should never say it in public, period. I've been saying since the middle of preseason that Zorn's habit of criticizing what individual players do in his postgame press conferences is a bad habit. He has not yet won over the team; he hasn't led them through any tough times yet; he doesn't have years of credibility to pull it off criticizing individual players without a negative effect. What Portis is doing now is what Zorn has been doing for at least 4 weeks, and comes a week after Zorn had them show up looking unprepared for a game against the Giants. Portis is responsible for what he does, yes. But if Zorn hadn't been criticizing players in detail in press conferences, the example wouldn't have been followed.
Here is what Portis said, by the way:
Gibbs had Portis run into the middle of the line far too many times during his tenure. The quality of the O-line play has if anything decreased. Now Zorn has shortened up the passing game, making it even easier for the defense to stack the line of scrimmage. Press coverage on Washington's WR's and playing the run is the way to beat them, and most other teams know it now. Their O-line just isn't very good any more, and most of their plays can be disrupted. Portis has every right to feel the way he does.
That being said, he should never say it in public, period. I've been saying since the middle of preseason that Zorn's habit of criticizing what individual players do in his postgame press conferences is a bad habit. He has not yet won over the team; he hasn't led them through any tough times yet; he doesn't have years of credibility to pull it off criticizing individual players without a negative effect. What Portis is doing now is what Zorn has been doing for at least 4 weeks, and comes a week after Zorn had them show up looking unprepared for a game against the Giants. Portis is responsible for what he does, yes. But if Zorn hadn't been criticizing players in detail in press conferences, the example wouldn't have been followed.
Here is what Portis said, by the way:
Those are all the direct quotes I can find from the original article: Link
The Jacket
Footballguy
Who wouldn't?Portis is just being a whiny turd.
gregjcross
Footballguy
I actually agree with this. Week 7. Skins are in for a long season.
fatness
Footballguy
Yep, it should be a good game for running the ball.
Avery
Footballguy
Gee, thanks, that is fantastic analysis. Did you happen to notice that he's been running behind one of the worst O-lines in football since the beginning of last year? You think maybe, just possibly, the lack of an O-line creating holes has impact CP's ability to break long runs?I could be wrong but I think he's referring to Portis' recent lack of ability to break off a long run and his sub 4 ypc avg.Explosive he's not anymore.
I thought he looked quick, fast and strong last week against the Giants and his 80-something yards was just a testament to his hard running considering he was going against a top defense that was keying on him and clearing did not respect the pass.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
In the same amount of time, LJ, playing behind a worse offensive line, and in fewer games has more 20+ yard runs.Gee, thanks, that is fantastic analysis. Did you happen to notice that he's been running behind one of the worst O-lines in football since the beginning of last year? You think maybe, just possibly, the lack of an O-line creating holes has impact CP's ability to break long runs?I could be wrong but I think he's referring to Portis' recent lack of ability to break off a long run and his sub 4 ypc avg.Explosive he's not anymore.
Max Power
Footballguy
Too bad we all can't play in the AFC WestIn the same amount of time, LJ, playing behind a worse offensive line, and in fewer games has more 20+ yard runs.Gee, thanks, that is fantastic analysis. Did you happen to notice that he's been running behind one of the worst O-lines in football since the beginning of last year? You think maybe, just possibly, the lack of an O-line creating holes has impact CP's ability to break long runs?I could be wrong but I think he's referring to Portis' recent lack of ability to break off a long run and his sub 4 ypc avg.Explosive he's not anymore.
Um, no I don't. Great rb's make mediocre lines like the Skins look good. I've seen enough of Portis the last year to realize he isn't the back he was 5 years ago. If you want 3-4 yards and a cloud of dust, he's your man. The only thing he has going for him is the amount of touches he gets. Are you honestly saying he is still a homerun threat every time he touches the ball?Gee, thanks, that is fantastic analysis. Did you happen to notice that he's been running behind one of the worst O-lines in football since the beginning of last year? You think maybe, just possibly, the lack of an O-line creating holes has impact CP's ability to break long runs?I could be wrong but I think he's referring to Portis' recent lack of ability to break off a long run and his sub 4 ypc avg.Explosive he's not anymore.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
He's less of a home run threat now than he was 3-4 years ago, but the bolded part above could be a description of Lendale White. Which clearly is a ridiculous thing.Portis is still talented, still a good receiver and capable of breaking long TD runs. Just not as many as in years past.Um, no I don't. Great rb's make mediocre lines like the Skins look good. I've seen enough of Portis the last year to realize he isn't the back he was 5 years ago. If you want 3-4 yards and a cloud of dust, he's your man. The only thing he has going for him is the amount of touches he gets. Are you honestly saying he is still a homerun threat every time he touches the ball?Gee, thanks, that is fantastic analysis. Did you happen to notice that he's been running behind one of the worst O-lines in football since the beginning of last year? You think maybe, just possibly, the lack of an O-line creating holes has impact CP's ability to break long runs?I could be wrong but I think he's referring to Portis' recent lack of ability to break off a long run and his sub 4 ypc avg.Explosive he's not anymore.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
truth is a defense to libel by the way.I guess Portis isn't horny for Zorny anymore
Glatty
Footballguy
He's 27.. not exactly ancient..
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
it only looks like he has two left feet because he is dodging 2-3 defenders before he breaks the line of scrimmage.
T Bell
Footballguy
I'm as big of a Portis fan and 'Skins fan as you'll find on this board, but there is truth to the criticism that he's stumbled a lot for no apparent reason in the open field and hasn't looked explosive even when he's running past the line of scrimmage. It's not the only problem he's facing as a RB on that team to be sure, but don't act like Portis' own running is above reproach.Regardless, he needs to keep his mouth shut and work to help the offense get better instead of acting like some kind of martyr.Gee, thanks, that is fantastic analysis. Did you happen to notice that he's been running behind one of the worst O-lines in football since the beginning of last year? You think maybe, just possibly, the lack of an O-line creating holes has impact CP's ability to break long runs?I could be wrong but I think he's referring to Portis' recent lack of ability to break off a long run and his sub 4 ypc avg.Explosive he's not anymore.
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BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
He threw the coach, qb and ol under the bus.I guess Portis isn't horny for Zorny anymore
fatboyj711
Footballguy
fatness said:
I was watching the zorn presser on Friday afternoon after the loss to the giants, and I couldn't believe what I was hearing out of him... he pretty much threw campbell under the bus... not only did he mention a few things here and there about campbell, he went on and on about it for several minutes... pretty ironic considering the inept coaching and playcalling throughout the game, especially the last half of the 4th quarter...i can't really blame portis for his comments... unwise but completely justified IMHO
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When's the last time he broke a long td run?Michael Fox said:He's less of a home run threat now than he was 3-4 years ago, but the bolded part above could be a description of Lendale White. Which clearly is a ridiculous thing.Portis is still talented, still a good receiver and capable of breaking long TD runs. Just not as many as in years past.ROCKET said:Um, no I don't. Great rb's make mediocre lines like the Skins look good. I've seen enough of Portis the last year to realize he isn't the back he was 5 years ago. If you want 3-4 yards and a cloud of dust, he's your man. The only thing he has going for him is the amount of touches he gets. Are you honestly saying he is still a homerun threat every time he touches the ball?Michael Fox said:Gee, thanks, that is fantastic analysis. Did you happen to notice that he's been running behind one of the worst O-lines in football since the beginning of last year? You think maybe, just possibly, the lack of an O-line creating holes has impact CP's ability to break long runs?I could be wrong but I think he's referring to Portis' recent lack of ability to break off a long run and his sub 4 ypc avg.Explosive he's not anymore.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Given that you aren't even acknowledging my comments, I'm done here. Good luck.When's the last time he broke a long td run?Michael Fox said:He's less of a home run threat now than he was 3-4 years ago, but the bolded part above could be a description of Lendale White. Which clearly is a ridiculous thing.Portis is still talented, still a good receiver and capable of breaking long TD runs. Just not as many as in years past.ROCKET said:Um, no I don't. Great rb's make mediocre lines like the Skins look good. I've seen enough of Portis the last year to realize he isn't the back he was 5 years ago. If you want 3-4 yards and a cloud of dust, he's your man. The only thing he has going for him is the amount of touches he gets. Are you honestly saying he is still a homerun threat every time he touches the ball?Michael Fox said:Gee, thanks, that is fantastic analysis. Did you happen to notice that he's been running behind one of the worst O-lines in football since the beginning of last year? You think maybe, just possibly, the lack of an O-line creating holes has impact CP's ability to break long runs?I could be wrong but I think he's referring to Portis' recent lack of ability to break off a long run and his sub 4 ypc avg.Explosive he's not anymore.
nzranger
Footballguy
Admittedly it never seems to improve things on the field by airing frustrations in public, but I don't think I've ever seen an NFL game before where the coach didn't have a 2 minute offense ready during a regular season game..fatness said:I was watching the zorn presser on Friday afternoon after the loss to the giants, and I couldn't believe what I was hearing out of him... he pretty much threw campbell under the bus... not only did he mention a few things here and there about campbell, he went on and on about it for several minutes... pretty ironic considering the inept coaching and playcalling throughout the game, especially the last half of the 4th quarter...
i can't really blame portis for his comments... unwise but completely justified IMHO
I originally drafted Portis in the 2nd round of a dynasty league. I remember those seasons in Denver were just out of this world. Moreover, I live in the mountain west and got to see all the Denver games. What I remember most was the TYPE of runner that Portis was. He was absolutely not a power, between the tackles, move the pile type of runner. He had great cut back moves, was shifty, and very elusive (remember he was billed as too small coming out of college). I still remember one game when he juked some KC DB out of his shoes near the sideline and ran the rest of the way for a TD. I'm not trying to sound hyperbolic here, but the back I watch that reminds me the most of what I saw from Portis then is LT. It's a similar cutback, patient, make the guy miss type of style. I'm NOT saying that Portis is LT, but chew on this:
Portis first two years:
YEAR TEAM G ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2002 DEN 16 273 1508 5.5 59 15 79 5 3
2003 DEN 13 290 1591 5.5 65 14 76 3 1
LT first two years:
YEAR TEAM G ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2001 SDG 16 339 1236 3.6 54 10 67 5 4
2002 SDG 16 372 1683 4.5 76 14 90 2 0
Anyways, when he was traded to Washington, I wasn't too concerned because I figured he would still get a lot of touches there, and Joe Gibbs had a history of having good RBs. The first carry he had with the Redskins was (if I remember correctly) a 64 yard TD run. I'm pretty sure that's still his longest run with Washington.
From a fanatsy/football fan perspective, I see Portis as a mini-tragedy. The way he's been used in Washington is criminal as far as I'm concerned. He's being featured as a 30 carry/game workhorse stick-moving back. That completely negates all of his natural attributes and skills. It's no surprise he's 25 lbs heavier now in order to handle his new role. Whether or not he's still capable of hitting the home run is moot in my opinion. I'm just sad that a back with the obvious potential to become great, and who was a hell of a lot of fun to watch, is never going to get there.
Portis first two years:
YEAR TEAM G ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2002 DEN 16 273 1508 5.5 59 15 79 5 3
2003 DEN 13 290 1591 5.5 65 14 76 3 1
LT first two years:
YEAR TEAM G ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2001 SDG 16 339 1236 3.6 54 10 67 5 4
2002 SDG 16 372 1683 4.5 76 14 90 2 0
Anyways, when he was traded to Washington, I wasn't too concerned because I figured he would still get a lot of touches there, and Joe Gibbs had a history of having good RBs. The first carry he had with the Redskins was (if I remember correctly) a 64 yard TD run. I'm pretty sure that's still his longest run with Washington.
From a fanatsy/football fan perspective, I see Portis as a mini-tragedy. The way he's been used in Washington is criminal as far as I'm concerned. He's being featured as a 30 carry/game workhorse stick-moving back. That completely negates all of his natural attributes and skills. It's no surprise he's 25 lbs heavier now in order to handle his new role. Whether or not he's still capable of hitting the home run is moot in my opinion. I'm just sad that a back with the obvious potential to become great, and who was a hell of a lot of fun to watch, is never going to get there.
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Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
AnonymousBob said:
will shields, and willie raof. Yeah those guys were pretty bad.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
spin what you want. If he was interviewed and happy with his position and performance I'd be worried. Anyone who watched that game knows the team needs a fire under its ###, and from the looks of things it wasnt coming from zorn (as portis LITERALLY was helping him game plan and call plays because his game plan/calls were flat out horrible.Zorn won't be the head coach next year, and quite possibly at some pt this year.TitusIII said:
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
fatness said:I was watching the zorn presser on Friday afternoon after the loss to the giants, and I couldn't believe what I was hearing out of him... he pretty much threw campbell under the bus... not only did he mention a few things here and there about campbell, he went on and on about it for several minutes... pretty ironic considering the inept coaching and playcalling throughout the game, especially the last half of the 4th quarter...
i can't really blame portis for his comments... unwise but completely justified IMHO
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Footballhead
WWPRD?
These idiots, first they cry out for the number 1 contract in the league, then they cry out for the bad o-line which all of them collective are probably getting paid less than the number one contract in the league.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
As a Skins fan, I think Clinton is very underrated and a big part of it is that the situation around him hurts his stats. With that said, you really shouldn't be saying this publicly.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
The 2007 Chiefs <<< the 2007 Redskins.
And yet Larry Johnson, playing in only 8 games, had 5 20+ yard runs. Clinton Portis, in 16 games, had 3 20+ yard runs.
Frank Gore ripped off 5 last season...and he was playing for a much, much lousier offense.
Edgerrin James had 4.
Portis is still imo a very good running back but the facts at this point in time seem to indicate he's no longer an explosive back. He'll get some yardage each time he touches the ball but he's not going to rip off massive runs...he just isn't going to do that. Despite the myth that is Clinton Portis he's no longer a homerun threat.
And yet Larry Johnson, playing in only 8 games, had 5 20+ yard runs. Clinton Portis, in 16 games, had 3 20+ yard runs.
Frank Gore ripped off 5 last season...and he was playing for a much, much lousier offense.
Edgerrin James had 4.
Portis is still imo a very good running back but the facts at this point in time seem to indicate he's no longer an explosive back. He'll get some yardage each time he touches the ball but he's not going to rip off massive runs...he just isn't going to do that. Despite the myth that is Clinton Portis he's no longer a homerun threat.
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
Next time you're having dinner with your wife or GF, tell her you wish you could switch places with some guy who has a really hot girlfriend, just to see what it's like.Then report back here and tell us all how you convinced her that you weren't specifically criticizing her.I'm not saying Portis is wrong on the substance of what he said, but it was completely tacky and out-of-bounds to say that in public.It's one thing to say "Man, you missed a block." It's a whole other thing to say "Man, you suck and I wish I could play for a different group of guys."But then again, didn't Portis say that what Vick was doing was being blown out of porportion?Maybe the guys with tire marks on their back will show him how bad the blocking can be.What an idiot.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
Giant fan here as well that was VERY impressed with Portis. In fact, I tried to pick him up in my leagues after the low points score. I was thinking the OL was beat by the Giant D line, but against a weaker D he could really be good. These comments by Portis are simply dumb though as you just don't say it in public. If he knows he is good, he didn't need to say it. That being said, I would expect him to do well against NOMichael Fox said:Gee, thanks, that is fantastic analysis. Did you happen to notice that he's been running behind one of the worst O-lines in football since the beginning of last year? You think maybe, just possibly, the lack of an O-line creating holes has impact CP's ability to break long runs?I could be wrong but I think he's referring to Portis' recent lack of ability to break off a long run and his sub 4 ypc avg.Explosive he's not anymore.I thought he looked quick, fast and strong last week against the Giants and his 80-something yards was just a testament to his hard running considering he was going against a top defense that was keying on him and clearing did not respect the pass.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
god i hope soafter reading this thread i'm quite positive portis goes for a 65 yard td run today
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I originally drafted Portis in the 2nd round of a dynasty league. I remember those seasons in Denver were just out of this world. Moreover, I live in the mountain west and got to see all the Denver games. What I remember most was the TYPE of runner that Portis was. He was absolutely not a power, between the tackles, move the pile type of runner. He had great cut back moves, was shifty, and very elusive (remember he was billed as too small coming out of college). I still remember one game when he juked some KC DB out of his shoes near the sideline and ran the rest of the way for a TD. I'm not trying to sound hyperbolic here, but the back I watch that reminds me the most of what I saw from Portis then is LT. It's a similar cutback, patient, make the guy miss type of style. I'm NOT saying that Portis is LT, but chew on thisortis first two years:YEAR TEAM G ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST2002 DEN 16 273 1508 5.5 59 15 79 5 32003 DEN 13 290 1591 5.5 65 14 76 3 1LT first two years:YEAR TEAM G ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST2001 SDG 16 339 1236 3.6 54 10 67 5 42002 SDG 16 372 1683 4.5 76 14 90 2 0Anyways, when he was traded to Washington, I wasn't too concerned because I figured he would still get a lot of touches there, and Joe Gibbs had a history of having good RBs. The first carry he had with the Redskins was (if I remember correctly) a 64 yard TD run. I'm pretty sure that's still his longest run with Washington. From a fanatsy/football fan perspective, I see Portis as a mini-tragedy. The way he's been used in Washington is criminal as far as I'm concerned. He's being featured as a 30 carry/game workhorse stick-moving back. That completely negates all of his natural attributes and skills. It's no surprise he's 25 lbs heavier now in order to handle his new role. Whether or not he's still capable of hitting the home run is moot in my opinion. I'm just sad that a back with the obvious potential to become great, and who was a hell of a lot of fun to watch, is never going to get there.
He is not the same back he was in Denver and I agree with you that it is sad that he has become such a boring workhorse type of back when his old style was so much fun to watch.
