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Portis says he has a 2nd degree MCL sprain (1 Viewer)

So who's the pickup - Betts or Alexander?
None of the above. Rock Cartwright.
How about longer term, like if Portis is out for the FF playoffs? Betts is expected back soon.
A 2nd degree MCL sprain isn't all that bad. My son had a 3rd degree MCL in his first game of the season. within 2 weeks he wanted to murder the doctor for not letting him go out on the field. They did hold him out 5 or 6 weeks, but it sure as heck wasn't because he was in pain or limited in any way. I guess they're all different, but 2nd degree MCL sprain really doesn't strike fear in my heart.FWIW.
 
So who's the pickup - Betts or Alexander?
None of the above. Rock Cartwright.
How about longer term, like if Portis is out for the FF playoffs? Betts is expected back soon.
Well Portis said that its a 2nd degree MCL sprain on the John Thompson show, but he also said that he could play this weekend and probably will come down to a GTD. Betts is definately out and I would be surprised to see him before week 13. I think if CP sits out Sunday night, he'll definately be back in week 12. I don't think Rock or SA will have much value as I see a true split of futility and expect CP to play next week, if not this Sunday.
 
damn, i cringed when that tackle happened at the end of the week 9 game. i was surprised he went back in after it.

 
Betts is the pickup for the longhaul.

I need to drop either Breaston or Bulger - who should I drop to pickup Betts?? Its a start 2 QBB league.

 
Betts is the pickup for the longhaul.

I need to drop either Breaston or Bulger - who should I drop to pickup Betts?? Its a start 2 QBB league.
Redskins coach Jim Zorn expects Ladell Betts (knee) to return to practice this week with an eye toward playing Sunday."He's probably in a little bit better position to be active as the week goes on [vs. Portis]. He is nowhere 100 percent yet, but I think he looks like he's gonna participate in practice," said Zorn. Portis owners should pick up Betts for the long haul :kicksrock: , but Sunday's game looks like a committee approach with Shaun Alexander and Rock Cartwright.

Source: Washington Post

Dump Bulger

 
just out of curiosity- how come we never heard anything about Portis having an MRI. By the time this week's game is played it will already be 2 weeks after the injury. I think neither Cartwright or Alexander is a great bet, but I guess we have to pick up one of them as long as Betts is out Just as long as Portis is back for week 13, all will be ok

 
I know Alexander is run down, but isn't he a great fit for the Skins offense? What if the shark move is Sellers?

 
I'm starting Deangelo Williams in one RB spot but will decide late on the other spot between MBIII or Portis. Do you guys think Portis will be a good play if he starts? Is this MCL sprain stuff for real?

 
Latest on Portis and Betts from the Post:

Portis, Zorn Broadcast the Injury News

Dan Steinberg listened so you don't have to and learned the following about Clinton Portis' knee injury, which he described during his weekly appearance on John Thompson's radio show as a second-degree MCL sprain:

The good news? "I had 15 injuries two weeks ago," Portis said. "Now I've only got one."

The bad news? "Right now I can't straighten it out," he said of his left leg. "I just started bending it today. So hopefully by the end of the week. We've got five days, so hopefully I'll be ready."

Will he play Sunday? Steinberg's synopsis:

He said the pain increased on Thursday night and Friday, leading to another examination and the sprain diagnosis. He said he thought he could help the team even if he wasn't the main focal point of the offense merely by being on the field and forcing the Cowboys to account for him, but he also said he wouldn't put himself out there just for the sake of being out there.

We'll see what the week brings. Go to the Sports Bog for the full report (including Portis' classic line on the election of Barack Obama and his "Lambo.").

On Jim Zorn's radio show, Steinberg says the coach talked about Ladell Betts, Portis and their status for Sunday (among other things):

"He's probably in a little bit better position to be active as the week goes on [vs. Portis]. He is nowhere 100 percent yet, but I think he looks like he's gonna participate in practice, where Clinton won't participate in practice for the first couple days. It's kind of a mixed bag right now. We're just trying to get our guys ready."

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I don't see how anyone can forecast a good alternate this week. You've got the top two backs as GTDs, so I don't see any benefit in getting a Shaun Alexander or Rock Cartwright for a Sunday night game when the pickup might conceivably be third-string.

 
NFL.com is pimping Alexander

Shaun Alexander could start

Shaun Alexander, RB WAS

News: The Washington Times reports Redskins RB Clinton Portis revealed Tuesday he sustained a second-degree sprain of his MCL in his right knee against the Steelers. Portis did not practice Monday, and coach Jim Zorn listed him as "questionable" and "50-50" for Sunday's game against the Dallas Cowboys. A grade 2 sprain of the MCL is an incomplete tear of one of the knee's four major ligaments and could require a recovery time of three to four weeks. Reserve RB Ladell Betts sustained a sprained MCL (though which degree wasn't documented) in the Redskins' loss to St. Louis on Oct. 12 and has yet to return to practice. If Portis and Betts can't play, Shaun Alexander and Rock Cartwright would assume the RB duties. Alexander has 10 carries in three games since joining the Redskins after Betts' injury, and Cartwright has four rushes.

Analysis: This would be an amazing turn of events if Portis is out and Alexander starts for the Redskins. Alexander has 10 carries in three games since joining the Redskins after Betts' injury, and Cartwright has four rushes. Plan on adding Alexander in all leagues at this time, and if he starts against Dallas, he would be a No. 3 Fantasy option in Week 11.

 
Latest on Portis and Betts from the Post:Portis, Zorn Broadcast the Injury NewsDan Steinberg listened so you don't have to and learned the following about Clinton Portis' knee injury, which he described during his weekly appearance on John Thompson's radio show as a second-degree MCL sprain:The good news? "I had 15 injuries two weeks ago," Portis said. "Now I've only got one."The bad news? "Right now I can't straighten it out," he said of his left leg. "I just started bending it today. So hopefully by the end of the week. We've got five days, so hopefully I'll be ready."Will he play Sunday? Steinberg's synopsis:He said the pain increased on Thursday night and Friday, leading to another examination and the sprain diagnosis. He said he thought he could help the team even if he wasn't the main focal point of the offense merely by being on the field and forcing the Cowboys to account for him, but he also said he wouldn't put himself out there just for the sake of being out there.We'll see what the week brings. Go to the Sports Bog for the full report (including Portis' classic line on the election of Barack Obama and his "Lambo.").On Jim Zorn's radio show, Steinberg says the coach talked about Ladell Betts, Portis and their status for Sunday (among other things): "He's probably in a little bit better position to be active as the week goes on [vs. Portis]. He is nowhere 100 percent yet, but I think he looks like he's gonna participate in practice, where Clinton won't participate in practice for the first couple days. It's kind of a mixed bag right now. We're just trying to get our guys ready."*******************************************************************************************I don't see how anyone can forecast a good alternate this week. You've got the top two backs as GTDs, so I don't see any benefit in getting a Shaun Alexander or Rock Cartwright for a Sunday night game when the pickup might conceivably be third-string.
I see a complete RBBC with the way Zorn likes to call his plays. I'm guessing that Sellers gets 3 or 4 carries and a screen, Cartwright gets 2 or 3 carries, Alexander gets 10-15 carries and if Betts is healthy he gets up to 5 carries. I also would expect an end around or two for Randle El.
 
Watching this update from nfl network.

The announcer claims that Portis says he has a torn MCL, which is a whole different animal from a 2nd degree strain.

 
Portis was just on the Michael Irvin Show. He's having a limited range in motion and some swelling which he down played. He said if they were in the Superbowl and the game was tomorrow even against the Cowboys, he would not be playing.

Here's a link to the podcast, he says some interesting things:

http://stations.espn.go.com/stations/espn1...hive?id=3208681

 
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Well, we've been able to ride him this far into the season. Knew he was a big injury risk. Luckily I was also able to pick up Betts this week for when he comes back. Also have ADP, TJ, CJ3 and Slaton but replacing Portis will be hard.

 
Portis was just on the Michael Irvin Show. He's having a limited range in motion and some swelling which he down played. He said if they were in the Superbowl and the game was tomorrow even against the Cowboys, he would not be playing.

Here's a link to the podcast, he says some interesting things:

http://stations.espn.go.com/stations/espn1...hive?id=3208681
Atta boy Tex....was coming to post the same thing.
Yeah, thanks for the podcast link. He still says 50-50 that he's gonna play, but that Superbowl line is a little concerning. In my opinion, I'm going with 25% chance with him playing this week. Going forward, I think he'll be alright. He said they had his knee checked out and there was no damage anywhere and everything came back clear.....just stiff and him trying to get the range of motion back in. That was positive.

 
Well, we've been able to ride him this far into the season. Knew he was a big injury risk. Luckily I was also able to pick up Betts this week for when he comes back. Also have ADP, TJ, CJ3 and Slaton but replacing Portis will be hard.
I don't think Portis was ever a big injury risk. Aside from 2006, he's been one of the most durable backs in the NFL.
 
Watching this update from nfl network.

The announcer claims that Portis says he has a torn MCL, which is a whole different animal from a 2nd degree strain.
I'm pretty sure if it were torn, they wouldn't even be discussing trying to get him ready.
Sprains are tears. A quick web search suggested that an MCL tear would be 1-4 weeks off for an athlete. Basically the same information I've heard all along.I hope Portis takes another week off and comes back next Sunday.

 
Luckily, and thanks in large part to Portis, I am sitting pretty in my division and will probably win the division. That being said, I won't really need him until my divisional playoff game in week 15. I hope they sit him down for a week or two and let him come back nice and fresh for the fantasy playoffs.

 
Clinton Portis (MCL sprain) missed Wednesday's practice.

Portis will likely be held out of all practices this week and be a game-time decision for Sunday Night Football. Don't count on him being active.

Source: Washington Post

 
Watching this update from nfl network.

The announcer claims that Portis says he has a torn MCL, which is a whole different animal from a 2nd degree strain.
I'm pretty sure if it were torn, they wouldn't even be discussing trying to get him ready.
Sprains are tears. A quick web search suggested that an MCL tear would be 1-4 weeks off for an athlete. Basically the same information I've heard all along.I hope Portis takes another week off and comes back next Sunday.
Yes, but they're partial tears, aren't they? When they say "torn" vs. "sprain", usually they mean it's snapped.
 
Watching this update from nfl network.

The announcer claims that Portis says he has a torn MCL, which is a whole different animal from a 2nd degree strain.
I'm pretty sure if it were torn, they wouldn't even be discussing trying to get him ready.
Sprains are tears. A quick web search suggested that an MCL tear would be 1-4 weeks off for an athlete. Basically the same information I've heard all along.I hope Portis takes another week off and comes back next Sunday.
Yes, but they're partial tears, aren't they? When they say "torn" vs. "sprain", usually they mean it's snapped.
Depends on the degree. Here's what I read online:
Symptoms of a medial collateral ligament injury tend to correlate with the extent of the injury. MCL injuries are graded on a scale of I to III.

* Grade I MCL Tear

This is an incomplete tear of the MCL. The tendon is still in continuity, and the symptoms are usually minimal. Patients usually complain of pain with pressure on the MCL, and may be able to return to their sport very quickly. Most athletes miss 1-2 weeks of play.

* Grade II MCL Tear

Grade II injuries are also considered incomplete tears of the MCL. These patients may complain of instability when attempting to cut or pivot. The pain and swelling is more significant, and usually a period of 3-4 weeks of rest is necessary.

* Grade III MCL Tear

A grade III injury is a complete tear of the MCL. Patients have significant pain and swelling, and often have difficulty bending the knee. Instability, or giving out, is a common finding with grade III MCL tears. A knee brace or a knee immobilizer is usually needed for comfort, and healing may take 6 weeks or longer.

People mess the terminology up all the time. Arguing about what people might mean by sprain is pointless. The official word is that Portis is questionable this week. I'm pointing out that even IF it IS an MCL tear he could be back on the field in another week or two. And that looks like the worst case scenario. I grabbed Betts this week and will assume Portis sits for now. Hopefully he's back next week.FWIW, FFtoday is suggesting that Portis will play this week.

 
Luckily, and thanks in large part to Portis, I am sitting pretty in my division and will probably win the division. That being said, I won't really need him until my divisional playoff game in week 15. I hope they sit him down for a week or two and let him come back nice and fresh for the fantasy playoffs.
Agreed. I think they sit him 2 weeks. I'm in the same boat as I won't need him till week 15. I hope to snatch Marshawn Lynch from his owner to cover the next 2-3 though.

FWIW, Lynch plays Cleveland, KC and San Fran over the next few.

 
Luckily, and thanks in large part to Portis, I am sitting pretty in my division and will probably win the division. That being said, I won't really need him until my divisional playoff game in week 15. I hope they sit him down for a week or two and let him come back nice and fresh for the fantasy playoffs.
Agreed. I think they sit him 2 weeks. I'm in the same boat as I won't need him till week 15. I hope to snatch Marshawn Lynch from his owner to cover the next 2-3 though.

FWIW, Lynch plays Cleveland, KC and San Fran over the next few.
Umm...the Redskins kind of need to try to win this game. If Portis can drag his body out there, he'll try to play.
 
Luckily, and thanks in large part to Portis, I am sitting pretty in my division and will probably win the division. That being said, I won't really need him until my divisional playoff game in week 15. I hope they sit him down for a week or two and let him come back nice and fresh for the fantasy playoffs.
Agreed. I think they sit him 2 weeks. I'm in the same boat as I won't need him till week 15. I hope to snatch Marshawn Lynch from his owner to cover the next 2-3 though.

FWIW, Lynch plays Cleveland, KC and San Fran over the next few.
Umm...the Redskins kind of need to try to win this game. If Portis can drag his body out there, he'll try to play.
The same way they "played" Santana Moss vs Pitt? Without Portis, this team would be lucky to make the playoffs. I just don't see how a guy who can not bend his knee on Wednesday will be playing at a high level on Sunday. Its just not a good idea to roll out a guy before he is healthy and risk further injury if losing that player might cost that team the season. Just my opinion though...
 
Clinton Portis was kept inside for treatment today, and wasn’t even out on the practice field. Coach Zorn afterward assured everyone that Portis “actually felt better today” and that he’s a gametime decision, but the practical upshot was: he wasn’t out there. (Zorn added, somewhat saracastically, “Today he could straighten his leg, so we were ‘hip hip hooraying’.”)

Posted on November 12, 2008 by Matt Terl of theredskinsblog.com

FWIW..........

Ladell Betts, however, was back out, practicing with the running backs. He looked better than I expected — I had forgotten, during his injury, what a strong (what Zorn would probably call “violent”) runner he is — but Coach Zorn said after practice that he was still lacking burst. Betts, Shaun Alexander and Rock Cartwright all took some snaps with the first team.

 
Clinton Portis was kept inside for treatment today, and wasn’t even out on the practice field. Coach Zorn afterward assured everyone that Portis “actually felt better today” and that he’s a gametime decision, but the practical upshot was: he wasn’t out there. (Zorn added, somewhat saracastically, “Today he could straighten his leg, so we were ‘hip hip hooraying’.”) Posted on November 12, 2008 by Matt Terl of theredskinsblog.comFWIW..........Ladell Betts, however, was back out, practicing with the running backs. He looked better than I expected — I had forgotten, during his injury, what a strong (what Zorn would probably call “violent”) runner he is — but Coach Zorn said after practice that he was still lacking burst. Betts, Shaun Alexander and Rock Cartwright all took some snaps with the first team.
That's great news! And the fact that the coach is joking around is a good sign as well.
 
Watching this update from nfl network.

The announcer claims that Portis says he has a torn MCL, which is a whole different animal from a 2nd degree strain.
I'm pretty sure if it were torn, they wouldn't even be discussing trying to get him ready.
Sprains are tears. A quick web search suggested that an MCL tear would be 1-4 weeks off for an athlete. Basically the same information I've heard all along.I hope Portis takes another week off and comes back next Sunday.
Yes, but they're partial tears, aren't they? When they say "torn" vs. "sprain", usually they mean it's snapped.
Depends on the degree. Here's what I read online:
Symptoms of a medial collateral ligament injury tend to correlate with the extent of the injury. MCL injuries are graded on a scale of I to III.

* Grade I MCL Tear

This is an incomplete tear of the MCL. The tendon is still in continuity, and the symptoms are usually minimal. Patients usually complain of pain with pressure on the MCL, and may be able to return to their sport very quickly. Most athletes miss 1-2 weeks of play.

* Grade II MCL Tear

Grade II injuries are also considered incomplete tears of the MCL. These patients may complain of instability when attempting to cut or pivot. The pain and swelling is more significant, and usually a period of 3-4 weeks of rest is necessary.

* Grade III MCL Tear

A grade III injury is a complete tear of the MCL. Patients have significant pain and swelling, and often have difficulty bending the knee. Instability, or giving out, is a common finding with grade III MCL tears. A knee brace or a knee immobilizer is usually needed for comfort, and healing may take 6 weeks or longer.

People mess the terminology up all the time. Arguing about what people might mean by sprain is pointless. The official word is that Portis is questionable this week. I'm pointing out that even IF it IS an MCL tear he could be back on the field in another week or two. And that looks like the worst case scenario. I grabbed Betts this week and will assume Portis sits for now. Hopefully he's back next week.FWIW, FFtoday is suggesting that Portis will play this week.
With Portis still having trouble bending his knee, he seems to have more than a Grade II and probably closer to a Grade III. I wouldn't think he'd be back for at least 3-4 weeks. He may be able to run and cut before then but one hit to the outside of the knee before it is healed and it will tear again.
 

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