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Portis to Washington trade close?! (1 Viewer)

yeh, but having an injury prone tag coming out of college and being hurt for multiple games on 3 seperate occassions over 2 years as a pro are two different things.p.s. :rolleyes:
So then what is the standard of how to measure wheather or not a guy is injury prone or not. Do you have to stay healthy for one complete season, two.....? If all of these other guys where able to overcome it, what will it take for Portis? At least in your eyes. Outside of last year, this has never been a porblem for him to my knowlege. Does one year with the injury bug lable him for a career?
 
Yes but I for 1 think that the line is much better than they have performed up till now. Now yes they are by no means in the caliber of the "HOGS". However among them you have:Samuels, 1st rounderThomas, 2nd rounderJansen, 2nd rounderDockery, 3rd rounderSo these guys do have tallent. Gibbs will certainly help them to use it a lot more than Spurrier thats for sure.
It's not sure to me.It's POSSIBLE, maybe even likely, but not sure.Gibbs was a great coach once and maybe he still is. But it's been a long time, and lately the Washington Redskins just seem to be able to find a way to destroy everything that was once good.I don't believe Joe Gibbs can turn this team round in one year. He might do it eventually if he can acclimate himself to the "new game", but things are pretty screwed up right now.I have a another tidbit for everyone:In his LAST year with the Washington Redskins, Joe Gibbs' team had 8 rushing TDs from running backs and there was no 1000 yard rusher.Good coach probably- miracle worker, no.
 
I've been saying it for over 2 years now:Portis = glorified Warrick Dunn
And you've been horribly horribly wrong for two years and counting...Cheers
How do you know he is THAT wrong?
Nothing in Dunn's NFL history shows him capable of the performances of Clinton Portis, nor have I ever come across praise for Dunn that suggests he was ever one of the very best at his position league wide. Dunn is 180 pounds...Portis is 205, BIG DIFFERENCE.Cheers
Portis admits that his playing weight is around 195, so I don't know why you guys continue to give him the extra 10 pounds. 2003:Portis, behind the best run blocking line in the NFL: 1900 yards on 328 touches Dunn, in Atlanta: 1000 yards on 162 touchesPut Dunn in Denver, and give him 300+ touches per season, and he likely puts up 1800-1900 yards.
 
If this trade does go through, does anyone think the Broncos would not go after another RB in either FA or Draft that would take over the bulk of RB duties next season?I can't see them relying totally on Griffin, sounds too risky no matter what they think of him.
It seems as if the Bronco's draft team can just draw cards to see who gets to close their eyes and throw a dart at their RB draft board for the pick. They just reload at that position over and over. With two second round picks and a solid CB this deal will help both teams. Hey, they can trade up with those picks and grab one of the studs (Jones/Jackson) if they think their RB skill picking ways has dried up a little. The Broncos would not be making this move if they felt they were going to get stiffed.
 
Good coach probably- miracle worker, no.
No, not a miracle worker. But, he doesn't have to be.In today's NFL, as long your head coach has a handle on the basic fundamentals of winning football and isn't a crackpot quirk (ie, Spurrier) the most important traits in an NFL head coach revolves around 'respect' and 'motivation'. With multi-million dollar athletes, and multi-dimensional player egos, getting the respect of your players (ie, getting them to buy into your way of doing things) and getting them movtivated to give you 110% on Sundays is what separates the average head coach from the A-list.Bottom line: No other head coaching candidate could've brought more pedigree, commanded more respect, and subsequently get more out of his roster than Joe Gibbs.He won't have to work miracles to win in Washington. Snyder's like a slut on prom night. He's put out so much in so many places but the lack of discretion and direction has resulted in wet pants but no satisfaction. Look at who Gibbs is replacing? It won't be hard to follow that act. In Gibbs, Snyder finally has the chaperone he has needed to compliment and bring focus to his extravagant ways and cavalier ideas.Gibbs will win. And based on how long Snyder has endured this foreplay, I'd bet satisfaction isn't as far off as some of you might you think.And I'm not anything close to being a Redskins fan.
 
Two simple questions:1) Do you think by virtue of his talent alone, that Portis will continue to average 5.5 YPC despite Gibbs' historical "grind it out" low YPC approach AND Washington's RECENT struggles to mount an effective ground attack?
I don't ever project any RB to average 5.5 YPC. So the fact that I don't expect Portis to average 5.5 YPC again next year isn't an argument for taking some other back ahead of him. I think Portis has a better chance of averaging 5.5 YPC than any other RB does.
2) Do you think Portis' workload will increase significantly over what it was in Denver, despite his struggles to stay healthy throughout the season?
Let's be careful with our tenses. Portis has had struggles to stay healthy in the past. That's a reason that his carries may have been depressed in the past. If they were depressed in the past, it's reasonable to expect they'll go up in the future. (Unless you think he'll have above-average injury-riddledness in the future as well, in which case maybe his carries will stay the same; but injury-riddledness isn't something I generally try to project.) Note: I'm not arguing that his carries will actually go up in the future -- only that his past injury struggles seem militate in that direction instead of the opposite direction.
I suggest that unless the answer to either one or two is yes, his numbers almost have to go down.
I expect his numbers to go down. I'd expect his numbers to go down even if he stayed in Denver. I never meant to argue that his numbers shouldn't be expected to go down -- only that Portis isn't RBBC material.
 
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2003:Portis, behind the best run blocking line in the NFL: 1900 yards on 328 touches Dunn, in Atlanta: 1000 yards on 162 touchesPut Dunn in Denver, and give him 300+ touches per season, and he likely puts up 1800-1900 yards.
Well maybe you should compair the seasons in which Dunn was the actual main back.1998: Dunn 2002: PortisTouches, 289 Touches, 306Yards, 1370 Yards, 1872Avg., 4.74 Avg., 6.12TDs, 2 TDs, 172000: 2003: PortisTouches, 292 Touches, 328Yards, 1555 Yards, 1905Avg., 5.33 Avg., 5.82TDs, 9 TDs, 14I would hardly say that Den has the best run blocking line in the league too. i mean have you forgoten KC and GB.
 
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Portis strikes me as more of a me-first, team-second kind of player.
I disagree, You show me another NFL player regardless of position, not alone a skill position, thats a pro-bowl type player that wouldn't want more money than he got in his rookie contract. He's working for pennies compair to most NFL RBs and is more productive than most of them. The media says he said he will hold out, but Portis denies it. Who's telling the truth here? Was what he said taken out of context like most everything the media reports? Who knows but if a guy like James Stewart can make 5 million a year, why shouldn't Portis. Its just business!
As a life-long Broncos fan, I think it should be noted that the team has a long history of "taking care of" its star players. Elway, Davis, Rod Smith, McCaffrey, even f'ing Griese got the contracts they deserved (or in Griese's case seemingly deserved after that one very, very efficient year he had, but that's a whole 'nother story). Bowlen has seemingly proven that he does indeed pay his best players. And if Portis has proven nothing else in the past two years, he has absolutely proven that he is the best player on the Broncos roster. However, the contract issue (and it being pursued in the media) is probably a convenient excuse to pursue these trade talks. The reality remains that the Denver secondary is just plain awful. Bailey would be an impact player immediately obviously.The offense would obviously miss Portis. However, if the rumored trade is true, then that extra 2nd rounder can be used to do one of a few things: (1) trade up to get either of Kevin Jones (my first choice as a fan) or Jackson, (2) use that pick to take a RB like Clarett, or (3) improve the team in other areas like DL, WR or OL. Now, we can debate on which spot they would need to move up to to get Jones or Jackson. Or even if Clarett fits their mold of RB, or if he would even be around when the Washington 2nd rounder comes around. But they would certainly be able to improve the team beyond their means before the trade.The truth is that the trade probably is in the best interests of this team, as much as I hate to say that. It is true that without Portis, they are asking Plummer to do something he has not proven yet -- successfully carry an offense by himself. And it is true that they can not hope to replace Portis with the guys on the roster right now. But, the glaring weakness at CB has forced this move, and you usually do not get a chance to get a premier cover guy like Bailey in this league. Giving Portis hurts, but they would be able to go in several different directions if they do that trade. Finally, it might make sense if the contract demands of Portis, Wilson, etc. weigh too heavily on the team. As a huge Denver fan, I hope they keep the most exciting player on the field for them. But I also know that either way, they should be fine.From a fantasy perspective, we have to wonder how Portis will fit in for Washington. But let's face reality here, Gibbs is not a stupid guy. He will find ways to use a player of Portis' obvious ability. Portis in Washington is still a top 5 overall FFB player. Now Plummer in Denver without Portis......
 
Can someone make a new thread when/if it ever happens? I don't want to read through a bunch of pages to find out.TIA

 
Guys, Gibbs is a COACH. He might call the plays, but he's not going to be opening holes along the line of scrimmage. The Hogs are gone. Gibbs had a FANTASTIC line to work with for most of his time in the NFL. Now he doesn't. Maybe Portis is 10x better than HOF RB Riggins and Ernest Byner, I seriosuly doubt it, but maybe. HOWEVER, if Portis is that much better, the line is that much worse.
Despite the performance last year, the Redskins have the makings of an excellent OL. Bugel has already praised Samuels, say he can be one of the best in the NFL. He also said Jensen is special too. He like Thomas a lot. That is 3/5 of the OL that Bugel thinks is excellent.
 
More information from this evening's Washington Post Article

By Nunyo DemasioWashington Post Staff WriterMonday, February 23, 2004; 5:13 PMThe Washington Redskins are in discussions with the Denver Broncos about a trade that would send trade Champ Bailey, their perennial Pro Bowl cornerback, to the Broncos for second-year running back Clinton Portis, a Redskins source said today. But the potential deal cannot be consummated until Bailey agrees to a new contract with the Broncos. Under the proposed deal, the Redskins also would give the Broncos a second-round pick for Portis, who has rushed for more than 1,500 yards for the past two seasons.Denver is "just one of the teams we're talking to," Vinny Cerrato, the Redskins vice president for football operations, said this afternoon. "[Denver Coach] Mike Shanahan and I have had a couple of good conversations. I wouldn't say it's about a done deal. We're still in the talking phase."The prospect of a Bailey for Portis trade was first reported by the Denver Post today.Last August, Bailey rejected a nine-year, $55 million contract offer from the Redskins partly because the Redskins' proposed signing bonus of $14.75 million would not be paid in one lump sum.The Redskins didn't restart talks with Bailey again until last week.For the Bailey-Portis trade to go through, the Redskins' cornerback seemingly would demand a better offer than the one he turned down from Washington. Bailey has said he wanted a better deal than the Redskins' proposal of last year.Bailey's agent, Jack Reale, has started talks with the Broncos on a new contract. But Reale said today that it is premature to say that all sides are close to reaching agreement."Anything is possible," Reale said, speaking from his Atlanta office. "The entire transaction is contingent on him [bailey] agreeing, and unless that happens there is no deal."Portis, 22, has rushed for at least 1,500 yards during the past two seasons. Bailey, 25, has made the Pro Bowl in each of his four NFL seasons.According to sources with intimate knowledge of the situation, the Detroit Lions are also still in the running for Bailey's services. The Lions are willing to accede to Bailey's contract demands, sources with knowledge of the negotiations said.The Redskins have lowered their initial demand from Detroit, and are now seeking Detroit's first-round pick (no. 6 overall) and second-round pick in April's draft. Before, the Redskins were asking for a first-round pick, second-round pick and perhaps a player. The Lions, who are reluctant to give up their draft picks, are still mulling the Redskins' offer.
Summary of article: Bailey's agent is trying to work a contract with the Broncos. They have offered Portis for Bailey and a second-round pick. The Lions are considering a first- and second-round pick in this year's draft for Bailey. The Lions will agree to Bailey's contract terms. There is a third team involved in negotiations for Bailey.
If they can get Detroit's 1st and 2nd, I actually like that deal a lot more than the Portis deal (and giving up a 2nd). I thought the Redskins could get Detroits 2nd this year and 1st next year. I like that deal more than the Portis deal too.Draft picks (outside of the top of the 1st round) provide inexpensive football players. That is crucial in the era of the salary cap.
 
I thought the Redskins could get Detroits 2nd this year and 1st next year. I like that deal more than the Portis deal too.Draft picks (outside of the top of the 1st round) provide inexpensive football players. That is crucial in the era of the salary cap.
However, the Detroit pick is likely to be at the top of the first round and will be as costly as any Portis extension on an unproven player. A top 6 draft pick averages between 5-7 million dollars and often carries a signing bonus over 10 million. Gibbs did sign Brunell to be part a long range plan with a healthy salary cap future.
 
Yes but I for 1 think that the line is much better than they have performed up till now. Now yes they are by no means in the caliber of the "HOGS". However among them you have:Samuels, 1st rounderThomas, 2nd rounderJansen, 2nd rounderDockery, 3rd rounderSo these guys do have tallent. Gibbs will certainly help them to use it a lot more than Spurrier thats for sure.
It's not sure to me.It's POSSIBLE, maybe even likely, but not sure.Gibbs was a great coach once and maybe he still is. But it's been a long time, and lately the Washington Redskins just seem to be able to find a way to destroy everything that was once good.I don't believe Joe Gibbs can turn this team round in one year. He might do it eventually if he can acclimate himself to the "new game", but things are pretty screwed up right now.I have a another tidbit for everyone:In his LAST year with the Washington Redskins, Joe Gibbs' team had 8 rushing TDs from running backs and there was no 1000 yard rusher.Good coach probably- miracle worker, no.
The current OL certainly is not as accomplished as the Hogs, but I think they actually have the potential to be better than the hogs. Look at it this way:LT: Samuels (1st round) vs. Jacoby (undrafted): advantage: SamuelsLG: Thomas (2nd) vs Grimm (3rd): advantage: ThomasC: Moore or Friedman vs. Bostic (undrafted): advantage: BosticRG: Dockery (3rd) vs May (1st) advantage: MayRT: Jensen (2nd) vs Starke (11th) advantage: Jensen \Some notes:1. Back then, the draft was 12 rounds, so undrafted means they were not drafted in 12 rounds.2. Obviously there is more to a player than draft position and it is already known that Jacoby, Grimm and Bostic had stellar careers. But also note that Samuels and Jensen are accomplished and well regarded prior to Spurrier. And Thomas is also an accomplished G.3. The Hogs listed are the originals (actually, someone else started ahead of May initially), but other Hogs include McKenzie, Lachey, Schlereth, Simmons, Adickes, Elewonibi). So there were a large number of people here, not just a set group of players. Jacoby, Bostic, and Grimm did play for Gibbs entire stint, but at various times, they were not always starters.4. The whole point: the current OL has a lot of potential and I believe Gibbs and Bugel will have the OL playing very well very quickly. They could be a dominant group by the end of the season.
 
I thought the Redskins could get Detroits 2nd this year and 1st next year. I like that deal more than the Portis deal too.Draft picks (outside of the top of the 1st round) provide inexpensive football players. That is crucial in the era of the salary cap.
However, the Detroit pick is likely to be at the top of the first round and will be as costly as any Portis extension on an unproven player. A top 6 draft pick averages between 5-7 million dollars and often carries a signing bonus over 10 million. Gibbs did sign Brunell to be part a long range plan with a healthy salary cap future.
Took a while to find this. Johnathan Sullivan, DT, was the #6 pick last year. He got a 7 year, $19M contract with an $11.4M signing bonus. The last 2 years are voidable, so it is probably more like a 5 year, $18M contract, averaging $3.6M a year.LinkThat is not outrageous if you get an impact/productive player. But there are no sure things in the draft.
 
If they can get Detroit's 1st and 2nd, I actually like that deal a lot more than the Portis deal (and giving up a 2nd). I thought the Redskins could get Detroits 2nd this year and 1st next year. I like that deal more than the Portis deal too.Draft picks (outside of the top of the 1st round) provide inexpensive football players. That is crucial in the era of the salary cap.
The Portis for Bailey deal makes no sense at all.I would have thought it would be Denver coughing up the 2nd rounder, not Washington.Where's the risk with Bailey?With Portis there is too much AND giving up your 2nd rounder. Insane.The Lions offering a 1st and 2nd rounder for Bailey seems like a no brainer.Washington could use one or both of their top 10 picks on getting about 6 late 1st to mid 2nd rounders and fill all the holes, but no let's give up the 2nd rounder for a RB AND lose our franchise CB.
 
Bailey-Portis deal near

By Mark Zuckerman

THE WASHINGTON TIMES

The Washington Redskins are close to trading cornerback Champ Bailey to the Denver Broncos for running back Clinton Portis, a potential blockbuster deal of two Pro Bowl players that would dynamically alter the makeup of both franchises.

Exact terms of the trade have not been finalized, but a source with knowledge of the negotiations said the Redskins are willing to include their second-round pick in April's draft as part of their offer. That extra request from the Broncos, some believed, would be a sticking point to completing a deal.

Once the teams agree to the parameters of the trade, the Broncos and agent Jack Reale still must come to terms on a new contract for Bailey. But Reale has said he is confident all of the teams in the running for the Pro Bowl cornerback will meet his demands.

NFL sources said they do not expect a Bailey trade to be finalized until early next week, and Redskins vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato said he is still talking with two other clubs — believed to be the Detroit Lions and New York Jets — about a deal. No transaction can become official until the league's trading period opens March 3.

"It's in the discussion phase, just like it is with two other teams that we have," Cerrato said of a Bailey-to-Denver trade. "We have not zeroed in on one team."

The source with knowledge of the negotiations, though, said Washington is focused on completing the trade with the Broncos. Reale said he has not been told by either team that a deal is done. Agent Drew Rosenhaus, who represents Portis, declined to comment yesterday.

The Redskins appear to be so confident they will deal Bailey in the coming week that they already are searching for his replacement. NFL sources said Washington is seriously interested in acquiring Seattle veteran Shawn Springs as an unrestricted free agent. Springs, a seven-year veteran who went to Springbrook High School in Silver Spring, would team with Fred Smoot as the Redskins' starting cornerback tandem.

If the deal with Denver is consummated, the Redskins will receive one of the game's most-prolific young running backs in Portis, while at the same time clearing Bailey's $6.8 million salary cap figure from their books. Portis, who turns 23 in September, has rushed for at least 1,500 yards and scored at least 14 touchdowns in each of his two professional seasons. He's also under contract for the next two years at the league's minimum salary ($380,000 in 2004, $455,000 in 2005).

Still, Washington would be giving up plenty to acquire Portis. Bailey, a four-time Pro Bowl player at age 25, is perhaps the best cornerback in the NFL. And if they trade away their second-round pick for Portis, having already given up their third-round pick for quarterback Mark Brunell, the Redskins would be left with only two selections in April's draft (a first-rounder and a fifth-rounder).

Asked about the Bailey-for-Portis trade during an interview on Sporting News Radio yesterday, Washington coach Joe Gibbs said, "That would be a possibility."

"That's one that you look at and you try and figure some way of getting it done," Gibbs added. "We've had three really serious negotiations ongoing and, the problem with this thing is you can't consummate anything until March 2. So the best way for me to answer that question, and being truthful, is we have a lot of stuff on the table right now and we're trying to figure out what's the best thing to do. [A Bailey-for-Portis trade] would be something that, obviously, we would seriously look at."

Though Portis' low-paying contract would be well-received by the Redskins, it may not hold up for long. Portis has been clamoring for a new deal from the Broncos all season, and two weeks ago at the Pro Bowl he told reporters he might sit out the start of training camp if Denver didn't renegotiate his contract.

But unlike Bailey, who had the franchise tag placed on him last week by Washington, Portis has two years remaining on his current deal and thus has no real leverage in the trade discussions.

During an interview yesterday with Denver radio station KKFN-AM, Portis spoke as if he assumes he will be traded.

"I'm going to continue to go out and play football for somebody," he said. "Everything happens for a reason. Like I said, I enjoyed playing for the Broncos. If this is the end of my stint, I had a great time."

Originally a second-round pick by Denver, Portis won NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year honors in 2002 with 1,508 rushing yards and 15 touchdowns. He followed that up with a sensational sophomore season, rushing for 1,591 yards and 14 touchdowns despite missing three games with injuries. The 5-foot-11, 205-pound back finished the year with six-straight 100-yard games, but Broncos coach Mike Shanahan apparently believes he can get production out of one of the other running backs on his roster.
Washington Times
 
If they can get Detroit's 1st and 2nd, I actually like that deal a lot more than the Portis deal (and giving up a 2nd). I thought the Redskins could get Detroits 2nd this year and 1st next year. I like that deal more than the Portis deal too.Draft picks (outside of the top of the 1st round) provide inexpensive football players. That is crucial in the era of the salary cap.
The Portis for Bailey deal makes no sense at all.I would have thought it would be Denver coughing up the 2nd rounder, not Washington.Where's the risk with Bailey?With Portis there is too much AND giving up your 2nd rounder. Insane.The Lions offering a 1st and 2nd rounder for Bailey seems like a no brainer.Washington could use one or both of their top 10 picks on getting about 6 late 1st to mid 2nd rounders and fill all the holes, but no let's give up the 2nd rounder for a RB AND lose our franchise CB.
Actually, it's the 2nd rounder via Washington which makes this deal logical, otherwise it wouldn't be sane. You forget that the Redskins don't have as much leverage as you think, everyone knows that by franchising him it handcuffs their other offseason plans and, thus, the Skins want him gone and Bailey wants to be gone. No team is going to take a $60 million+ albatross, albeit a talented one, off a team's hands in exchange for an inexpensive world beater at RB without some compensation to even the risk/reward.Also remember that there are a plethora of very good CBs on the market, which further reduces the value of paying huge amounts to land Bailey. While I personally agree with the assessment that Bailey is the top corner in the game, I'm not sure how much more $$$ he's worth than Woodson, McCallister, Vincent, Plummer or Winfield in the grand scheme of things.LOL at the Skins getting ready to bring in another overpriced, overrated guy in Shawn Springs. This is the best CB market in free agent history and they go for the guy who actually isn't worth the money.Cheers
 
In two seasons (29 games), Portis has had 16 games of 20+ carries. However, he's only averaged 2.4 receptions per game so far. He'd have to get a lot more use as a receiver to get 4-6 receptions per game. Not impossible, but he'd have to be used differently.Other than Gibbs' first season as a head coach when Joe Washington had 70 receptions out of the backfield, RB were not a huge part of the air attack.There were a few seasons where a RB had 30 or 40 receptions (one year Byner had 50), but usually the RB getting the receptions was not the one getting the carries in the ground game.Gibbs would have to put more plays in the playbook to get Portis 50-75 receptions and adjust his usage patterns for how he plays his other RB. Again, not saying that he wouldn't do it, just he hasn't coached like that previously. (I realize he didn't have a RB like Portis before.)
While I think Portis' numbers will dip a little, everybody keeps referring back to Gibbs days as a head coach 12+ years ago. I think the dynamics on how to play the game in todays NFL are different now. Back then a lot of teams used ball control pound it out type offenses, run and shoot and then there was the 49ers West Coast Offense. With the speed of todays defenses you have to mix it up to be successful. I think Gibbs is going to have to and will adapt to todays style of play. Speed kills and I think he realizes that. Why else would he be trying get this trade done. There are other backs out there like Dillon and Henry to pursue if he wanted to pound it out. I'm a Portis owner and a Bronco fan so I have mixed feeling about this trade. Bottom line is Portis will still probably miss 1-3 games and still put up 1300-1400 yds rushing and 10tds in Washington. He isn't a product of the system like Anderson and Gary, but the system did make him better.
 
:thumbup: Exactly joffer, "25 carry back" is the NFL's biggest misnomer.25 carries x 16 games = 400 carries.That number has been hit a whopping FOUR TIMES in NFL HISTORY. We're talking four instances in the entire history of the league.NO ONE is a 25 carry back, it's stupid to use in describing anyone.Cheers
I already explained that the reason I used the 25 carry number is that that's the only way Riggins got his numbers - he DID average 25 carries/game during his two big years and that's HOW he got his numbers.The point was and is that Portis is NOT going to be doing that.
The point is Riggins wasn't as explosive and Portis and Portis won't need as many carries to put up the same yardage.
 
:thumbup: Exactly joffer, "25 carry back" is the NFL's biggest misnomer.25 carries x 16 games = 400 carries.That number has been hit a whopping FOUR TIMES in NFL HISTORY. We're talking four instances in the entire history of the league.NO ONE is a 25 carry back, it's stupid to use in describing anyone.Cheers
I already explained that the reason I used the 25 carry number is that that's the only way Riggins got his numbers - he DID average 25 carries/game during his two big years and that's HOW he got his numbers.The point was and is that Portis is NOT going to be doing that.
The point is Riggins wasn't as explosive and Portis and Portis won't need as many carries to put up the same yardage.
I completely agree. Just to make sure my point wasn't misconstrued, I was taking issue with the idea that a) Gibbs wants a 25 carry per game back and b) the fact that Portis isn't a 25 carry back should be held against him. Considering that there have only been four 400 carry seasons in the history of the league, it's assinine for anyone to say so and so is a 25 carry per game RB, whether they're using it against them or for them. Cheers
 
When did Clinton Portis become so injury prone? I know he missed several games due to injury this year, but since when did suffering one injury make one brittle and a candidate to miss 2-3 games every year?

 
Man, what a story whether it's true or not! As an NFC East guy, I'd be livid to see Portis land on a division rival. One thing that puzzles me about this story though, if the impetus is Portis' new contract demands, why are the Broncos prepared to give in to Champ's demands? He passed up a $55 million, $15 million signing bonus deal from the Skins already.Cheers
Jason I think the answer to that is Shanny's oversized ego.He feels that he can plug in any RB into his system and they will get 1200 minimum. So its only natural for him to undervalue a talent like Portis and consider him a product of the system and basically inflate his ego more. How frustrating it must be for Shanny to have this product actually demand more money as if his numbers were generated from Portis' talent rather than Shanny's system.CBs meanwhile are a complete mystery to Shanny. So a consistent top performer would be worth this kind of dough to him while RBs are a dime a dozen.At least this is how I perceive it.
 
Actually, it's the 2nd rounder via Washington which makes this deal logical, otherwise it wouldn't be sane. You forget that the Redskins don't have as much leverage as you think, everyone knows that by franchising him it handcuffs their other offseason plans and, thus, the Skins want him gone and Bailey wants to be gone. No team is going to take a $60 million+ albatross, albeit a talented one, off a team's hands in exchange for an inexpensive world beater at RB without some compensation to even the risk/reward.Also remember that there are a plethora of very good CBs on the market, which further reduces the value of paying huge amounts to land Bailey. While I personally agree with the assessment that Bailey is the top corner in the game, I'm not sure how much more $$$ he's worth than Woodson, McCallister, Vincent, Plummer or Winfield in the grand scheme of things.LOL at the Skins getting ready to bring in another overpriced, overrated guy in Shawn Springs. This is the best CB market in free agent history and they go for the guy who actually isn't worth the money.Cheers
I agree, but the only problem I have is that Portis is going to immediately get a new deal with large signing bonus and will no longer be the "inexpensive world beater" the Redskins traded for. I think Washington is clearly overpaying by including the #42 pick in the draft, but what else is new? Overpay is Daniel Snyder's middle name.Also agree about Shawn Springs. Although I do think he is highly motivated to prove he's not a complete waste, he just hasn't been able to stay healthy and hasn't even been that good when healthy for a while.
 
Actually, it's the 2nd rounder via Washington which makes this deal logical, otherwise it wouldn't be sane. You forget that the Redskins don't have as much leverage as you think, everyone knows that by franchising him it handcuffs their other offseason plans and, thus, the Skins want him gone and Bailey wants to be gone. No team is going to take a $60 million+ albatross, albeit a talented one, off a team's hands in exchange for an inexpensive world beater at RB without some compensation to even the risk/reward.

Also remember that there are a plethora of very good CBs on the market, which further reduces the value of paying huge amounts to land Bailey. While I personally agree with the assessment that Bailey is the top corner in the game, I'm not sure how much more $$$ he's worth than Woodson, McCallister, Vincent, Plummer or Winfield in the grand scheme of things.

LOL at the Skins getting ready to bring in another overpriced, overrated guy in Shawn Springs. This is the best CB market in free agent history and they go for the guy who actually isn't worth the money.

Cheers
I agree, but the only problem I have is that Portis is going to immediately get a new deal with large signing bonus and will no longer be the "inexpensive world beater" the Redskins traded for. I think Washington is clearly overpaying by including the #42 pick in the draft, but what else is new? Overpay is Daniel Snyder's middle name.Also agree about Shawn Springs. Although I do think he is highly motivated to prove he's not a complete waste, he just hasn't been able to stay healthy and hasn't even been that good when healthy for a while.
The fact is Portis has two years left on his rookie contract. And that fact should play into the negotiations. I believe the Redskins should give Portis a contract extension. Give him a good signing bonus, maybe two more years of minimum salary, and then some decent out year salaries. How about something like:

signing bonus: $11 M

2004: $380K (from current contract)

2005: $455k (from current contract)

2006: $500k

2007: $500k

2008: $4M

2009: $4M

That is a $20M extension for 4 additional years. The Redskins still get the cheap salaries in the beginning. Portis gets his big payday now rather than 2 years from now. And the signing bonus gets distributed over 6 years.

 
signing bonus: $11 M2004: $380K (from current contract)2005: $455k (from current contract)2006: $500k2007: $500k2008: $4M2009: $4M
His agent would laugh his A off to play at 500K salary during his prime. He would counter with something like:12 million signing bonus.2004: $380K (from current contract)2005: $455k (from current contract)Two year extension of:2006: 3 M2007: 3 M There is no way Portis would sign a deal that essentially finishes the entire prime of his career in Washington and then UFA after he nears 30 years old. He wants three-four years to prove his NFL worth while he's entering his prime, get paid up front, and then he wants to be able to shop his services to the highest bidder. The above deal is essentially an 18 million, 4 year deal, which is less than the 5 million a year that Priest got, but more than the 4 million a year Barlow got, and a huge signing bonus keeps him happy. It also releases both sides after 4 more seasons.
 
P.S. - it leaves the team with the option to franchise him for the 2008 season if it wants to keep him and isn't able to negotiate an extension during the 2007 season.

 
signing bonus: $11 M2004: $380K (from current contract)2005: $455k (from current contract)2006: $500k2007: $500k2008: $4M2009: $4M
His agent would laugh his A off to play at 500K salary during his prime. He would counter with something like:12 million signing bonus.2004: $380K (from current contract)2005: $455k (from current contract)Two year extension of:2006: 3 M2007: 3 M There is no way Portis would sign a deal that essentially finishes the entire prime of his career in Washington and then UFA after he nears 30 years old. He wants three-four years to prove his NFL worth while he's entering his prime, get paid up front, and then he wants to be able to shop his services to the highest bidder. The above deal is essentially an 18 million, 4 year deal, which is less than the 5 million a year that Priest got, but more than the 4 million a year Barlow got, and a huge signing bonus keeps him happy. It also releases both sides after 4 more seasons.
Yeah, my reaction was to just take the two 500k years out of the contract and add on some funny money years at about 5-6mil each for the last 2 years. But I think the other subject Washington fans should read up on is "escalator clauses".
 
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