Possible Collusion (1 Viewer)

[cfrase]

Here is our issue in our league. I am making a playoff run, and need a quarterback. One owner is in fire sale mode and has Aaron Rodgers.

We have a 3 keeper league.

I wants Aaron Rodgers, he want to be able to keep him. I have offered my 2nd round pick for Rodgers, but he is in a position to need to keep Rodgers. As he want to keep him, I came up with the idea of trading my 2nd round pick for Rodgers, and he locks into getting Rodgers off Me in the offseason for his 3rd round pick. He gets to move up in the draft, and I get a QB for my playoff run. Now neither trade by itself would be an issue, but together it could be an issue to some.

Although the trade is not collusion and both parties benefit, I know it is a very grey area so I wanted everyone's opinion.

We are asking the other players in the league before we make the trade.

Thanks

 

[Birdie048]

Our league has a Keeper Rule that prevents this type of activity. I don't like it.... but it's not my league.

It would be best if you get the rest of the leagues approval..... but don't hold your breath.

 

[Steady Mooobin]

Here is our issue in our league. I am making a playoff run, and need a quarterback. One owner is in fire sale mode and has Aaron Rodgers.

We have a 3 keeper league.

I wants Aaron Rodgers, he want to be able to keep him. I have offered my 2nd round pick for Rodgers, but he is in a position to need to keep Rodgers. As he want to keep him, I came up with the idea of trading my 2nd round pick for Rodgers, and he locks into getting Rodgers off Me in the offseason for his 3rd round pick. He gets to move up in the draft, and I get a QB for my playoff run. Now neither trade by itself would be an issue, but together it could be an issue to some.

Although the trade is not collusion and both parties benefit, I know it is a very grey area so I wanted everyone's opinion.

We are asking the other players in the league before we make the trade.

Thanks

X

 

[Steady Mooobin]

Here is what you do. Get him to trade you Rogers then you reneg on the deal on the off-season when he wants you to trade him Rogers back. Shark move.

That way you are only screwing him, rather then the entire league.

 

[CrossEyed]

This is the definition of collusion.

 

[identikit]

This is the definition of collusion.

Yep.

 

[Nate]

Here is our issue in our league. I am making a playoff run, and need a quarterback. One owner is in fire sale mode and has Aaron Rodgers. We have a 3 keeper league. I wants Aaron Rodgers, he want to be able to keep him. I have offered my 2nd round pick for Rodgers, but he is in a position to need to keep Rodgers. As he want to keep him, I came up with the idea of trading my 2nd round pick for Rodgers, and he locks into getting Rodgers off Me in the offseason for his 3rd round pick. He gets to move up in the draft, and I get a QB for my playoff run. Now neither trade by itself would be an issue, but together it could be an issue to some. Although the trade is not collusion and both parties benefit, I know it is a very grey area so I wanted everyone's opinion. We are asking the other players in the league before we make the trade.Thanks

In my leagues, tradebacks are considered collusion.

 

[Witz]

Here is our issue in our league. I am making a playoff run, and need a quarterback. One owner is in fire sale mode and has Aaron Rodgers. We have a 3 keeper league. I wants Aaron Rodgers, he want to be able to keep him. I have offered my 2nd round pick for Rodgers, but he is in a position to need to keep Rodgers. As he want to keep him, I came up with the idea of trading my 2nd round pick for Rodgers, and he locks into getting Rodgers off Me in the offseason for his 3rd round pick. He gets to move up in the draft, and I get a QB for my playoff run. Now neither trade by itself would be an issue, but together it could be an issue to some. Although the trade is not collusion and both parties benefit, I know it is a very grey area so I wanted everyone's opinion. We are asking the other players in the league before we make the trade.Thanks

It's not a grey area. It is collusion period.

 

[FUBAR]

This is the definition of collusion.

1. a secret agreement, esp. for fraudulent or treacherous purposes; conspiracy: Some of his employees were acting in collusion to rob him.2. Law. a secret understanding between two or more persons to gain something illegally, to defraud another of his or her rights, or to appear as adversaries though in agreement: collusion of husband and wife to obtain a divorce.I disagree that this meets the definition, it benefits both teams without hurting the other. Collusion is when both teams get together in secret to benefit only one and is unfair to the league. OP still needs to attend English class, and the trade(s) shouldn't be allowed, but it isn't collusion.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Collusion is a secret agreement to commit an illegal or fraudulent act.

As long as "trade back" clauses are not illegal in your league and you make all terms of the deal known, then I don't see collusion.

The bigger question is do you want to rent a player to win a championship? If your league reputation has any meaning to you, you can probably expect that everyone will put a mental * next to your title and not give you the kudos you would normally be due for winning your league's title. They didn't have to make steroids illegal in so many professional sports for there to be a stigma associated with it.

I'm not crazy about trade backs in any league because it allows the landlord to manipulate league standings by choosing who gets his stud(s) at very little cost to him. But if your league allows them and every other owner has the same opportunity...

 

[Black]

You have made a special deal to be executed in the future, which makes the whole thing sketchy.

You are 'borrowing' A.Rodgers, which makes it even worse.

Make a real trade and you don't have to worry about it.

 

[Steady Mooobin]

This is the definition of collusion.

I disagree with that, it benefits both teams without hurting the other. Collusion is when both teams get together to benefit only one and is unfair to the league. OP still needs to attend English class, and the trade(s) shouldn't be allowed, but it isn't collusion.

It's close enough Professor.

 

[CrossEyed]

This is the definition of collusion.

1. a secret agreement, esp. for fraudulent or treacherous purposes; conspiracy: Some of his employees were acting in collusion to rob him.2. Law. a secret understanding between two or more persons to gain something illegally, to defraud another of his or her rights, or to appear as adversaries though in agreement: collusion of husband and wife to obtain a divorce.I disagree that this meets the definition, it benefits both teams without hurting the other. Collusion is when both teams get together in secret to benefit only one and is unfair to the league. OP still needs to attend English class, and the trade(s) shouldn't be allowed, but it isn't collusion.

OK, technically it may not be collusion since it isn't being done secretively, but I wouldn't want to play in a league that allows better teams to borrow players from teams that are out of the hunt.

 

[Wrigley]

It's a #### move, period

 

[JohnnyU]

Borrowing is a pimp move and I would boot anyone doing it if I found out.

 

[two_dollars]

You have made a special deal to be executed in the future, which makes the whole thing sketchy. You are 'borrowing' A.Rodgers, which makes it even worse.Make a real trade and you don't have to worry about it.

:goodpost:The key word here is BORROW.

 

[cfrase]

Thanks for everyone's opionion and I agree with the majority and have decided that is trade would cause a #### storm and the renting of players by the entire league. Trade has been taken off the table.

Thanks again!

 

[fatkid]

I have no problem with the trade conceptually. Both teams gain something from the transaction. All teams have the same ability to make the same sort of deals. In a keeper league, trades where one team loses for the current season but gains something for next year happen all the time. As a comissioner, the only rules I have is a team cannot make trades affecting a year that they have not already paid the entry fee for. That keeps teams from making deals that hurt the long term without having it affect there team.

 

[netnalp]

I don't think it should be allowed, it hurts the integrity of the league.

To me, the legal and/or dictionary definitions of collusion aren't valid arguments because they don't accurately define the term "collusion" as it is used in fantasy football, and the term can vary from league to league. "Churning" is a term used in fantasy football and the legal and dictionary definitions don't apply, as another example.

 

[JamesTheScot]

I don't think it should be allowed, it hurts the integrity of the league.To me, the legal and/or dictionary definitions of collusion aren't valid arguments because they don't accurately define the term "collusion" as it is used in fantasy football, and the term can vary from league to league. "Churning" is a term used in fantasy football and the legal and dictionary definitions don't apply, as another example.

Then define "collusion" in terms of non-fantasy football activity without loking at the dictionary. Most people will give the same generic definition they would to describe what they think is collusion in fantasy football.Which means that people's misuse of the word in fantasy football is still based upon their misunderstanding of the word's meaning outside of fantasy football. Contextual use of metaphors, such as "churning", is one thing. But the inaccurate use of a word, such as "collusion" in this instance, based on ignorance, is a whole other matter. No one hearing you say "collusion" in regards to fantasy football would assume you are using a fantasy football dependent definition, they could reasonably expect that you use it in its general meaning. In fact, nothing in the actual definition of collusion would appear to be non-applicable to a fantasy football situation. On the other hand, the alien-ness of application of the word "churning" to fantasy football would put anyone on notice that there must be a contextually dependent definition.And I intend "ignorance" in its true sense to which no one should be insulted. I speak as one ignorant in many things.