Possible Flynn trade? (1 Viewer)

[Bracie Smathers]

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Report: From a source I trust, I've been told that # Packers and # Browns have had discussions regarding a Matt Flynn trade.

Shawn Zobel ‏ @ ShawnZobel_DHQ

GB is hoping to add further draft picks to attempt to trade up in the draft. They are targeting pass rushers.

Shawn Zobel ‏ @ ShawnZobel_DHQ

From what I was told, Cleveland # Browns are not thrilled with the idea of giving up two first round picks to move up two spots to draft RG3

Can't confirm anything but it makes sense on all fronts.

- The Pack just resigned Finley leaving open the possibility of franchising and trading Flynn or most likely scenario is they would choose to outright sign then trade him.

- The price that would be attached to Flynn in salary if he were franchised would kill any trade opportunities but if the Pack sign him with a back pocket deal they can sign him then turn around and pick up potentially a high second round pick.

- RG III is a fantastic prospect but he really doesn't fit the WC offene that Holgren/Shurmur/Childress want to run. He is a great fit for Shanny's moving pocket attack. If St. Louis is out to milk anyone moving up the Skins likely will make the best offer shutting out the Browns.

- Tanneshill is a reach in the top ten but a humongeous reach at #4

It makes sense but I can't confirm anything other than this one source but I have found Zobel's past mock drafts to be solid and he used to be an active blogger with some good nuggets so its possible he has unearthed a storyline with legs.

Everything checks out in terms of logic.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

As a Skins fan who believes only Cleveland stands in the way of trading up for RG3, I hope this is true.

 

[Banemorth]

I hope to god you're wrong...

FLYNN TO MIAMI! C'MON!

 

[Bracie Smathers]

As a Skins fan who believes only Cleveland stands in the way of trading up for RG3, I hope this is true.

Well if Cleveland does make a deal for Flynn then you are correct, they stand down to Washington moving up but think this over.What if?Cleveland talks to Washington and basically says they won't make an offer for RG III and if he should drop into their lap they can move down with the Skins for Washington's 2nd this year and next year's #1.That package would be at least two or three draft choices lower than what St. Louis or Minnesota would make the Skins pay.Just thinking out loud and outside the box but in all honestly RG III doesn't fit the WCO that Cleveland wants to run and the Browns have soo many holes to fill it makes sense that they would make an offer to land Flynn and fill in other holes on the team.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I hope to god you're wrong...FLYNN TO MIAMI! C'MON!

It would suck for Miami but the Browns second round pick is higher than the Phins and Miami won't dish their #1 pick for Flynn so any possible deal makes sense in that Cleveland could offer their high second round pick for Flynn and Miami couldn't match that offer unless they laid a package of picks and/or players on the table for Flynn.

 

[The Hank]

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Report: From a source I trust, I've been told that # Packers and # Browns have had discussions regarding a Matt Flynn trade.

Shawn Zobel ‏ @ ShawnZobel_DHQ

GB is hoping to add further draft picks to attempt to trade up in the draft. They are targeting pass rushers.

Shawn Zobel ‏ @ ShawnZobel_DHQ

From what I was told, Cleveland # Browns are not thrilled with the idea of giving up two first round picks to move up two spots to draft RG3

Can't confirm anything but it makes sense on all fronts.

- The Pack just resigned Finley leaving open the possibility of franchising and trading Flynn or most likely scenario is they would choose to outright sign then trade him.

- The price that would be attached to Flynn in salary if he were franchised would kill any trade opportunities but if the Pack sign him with a back pocket deal they can sign him then turn around and pick up potentially a high second round pick.

- RG III is a fantastic prospect but he really doesn't fit the WC offene that Holgren/Shurmur/Childress want to run. He is a great fit for Shanny's moving pocket attack. If St. Louis is out to milk anyone moving up the Skins likely will make the best offer shutting out the Browns.

- Tanneshill is a reach in the top ten but a humongeous reach at #4

It makes sense but I can't confirm anything other than this one source but I have found Zobel's past mock drafts to be solid and he used to be an active blogger with some good nuggets so its possible he has unearthed a storyline with legs.

Everything checks out in terms of logic.

I dont get this for Flynn, he should just wait for free agency then sign wherever he wants to.

The only way this deal gets done is if GB franchises him which would be counter-intuitive to pay a backup TOP 5 QB money.

A.K.A NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

Move along, nothing to see here folks.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

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Report: From a source I trust, I've been told that # Packers and # Browns have had discussions regarding a Matt Flynn trade.

Shawn Zobel ‏ @ ShawnZobel_DHQ

GB is hoping to add further draft picks to attempt to trade up in the draft. They are targeting pass rushers.

Shawn Zobel ‏ @ ShawnZobel_DHQ

From what I was told, Cleveland # Browns are not thrilled with the idea of giving up two first round picks to move up two spots to draft RG3

Can't confirm anything but it makes sense on all fronts.

- The Pack just resigned Finley leaving open the possibility of franchising and trading Flynn or most likely scenario is they would choose to outright sign then trade him.

- The price that would be attached to Flynn in salary if he were franchised would kill any trade opportunities but if the Pack sign him with a back pocket deal they can sign him then turn around and pick up potentially a high second round pick.

- RG III is a fantastic prospect but he really doesn't fit the WC offene that Holgren/Shurmur/Childress want to run. He is a great fit for Shanny's moving pocket attack. If St. Louis is out to milk anyone moving up the Skins likely will make the best offer shutting out the Browns.

- Tanneshill is a reach in the top ten but a humongeous reach at #4

It makes sense but I can't confirm anything other than this one source but I have found Zobel's past mock drafts to be solid and he used to be an active blogger with some good nuggets so its possible he has unearthed a storyline with legs.

Everything checks out in terms of logic.

I dont get this for Flynn, he should just wait for free agency then sign wherever he wants to.

The only way this deal gets done is if GB franchises him which would be counter-intuitive to pay a backup TOP 5 QB money.

A.K.A NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

Move along, nothing to see here folks.

That would make sense IF:FLynn was going to actually be franchised and was actually gauranteed a top-five NFL QB salasy.

He'll never be franchised because if he is then the Pack won't ever be able to move him and they'll be stuck with a backup QB earning $6 million more than Aarron Rodgers.

Forgetaboutit, he will never be franchised.

The Pack has only one option to sign then trade him if they want to get anything for him which I'm sure they do.

Flynn wants to earn as much C###$$ as possible.

The Pack can make Flynn an offer that would be better than what he could earn on the open market.

It makes sense for Flynn to earn more than what he could get on the open market.

It makes sense for the Pack to get something for him.

It makes for Cleveland.

I'm not feeing your dissiveness about this possiblity.

 

[The Hank]

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Report: From a source I trust, I've been told that # Packers and # Browns have had discussions regarding a Matt Flynn trade.

Shawn Zobel ‏ @ ShawnZobel_DHQ

GB is hoping to add further draft picks to attempt to trade up in the draft. They are targeting pass rushers.

Shawn Zobel ‏ @ ShawnZobel_DHQ

From what I was told, Cleveland # Browns are not thrilled with the idea of giving up two first round picks to move up two spots to draft RG3

Can't confirm anything but it makes sense on all fronts.

- The Pack just resigned Finley leaving open the possibility of franchising and trading Flynn or most likely scenario is they would choose to outright sign then trade him.

- The price that would be attached to Flynn in salary if he were franchised would kill any trade opportunities but if the Pack sign him with a back pocket deal they can sign him then turn around and pick up potentially a high second round pick.

- RG III is a fantastic prospect but he really doesn't fit the WC offene that Holgren/Shurmur/Childress want to run. He is a great fit for Shanny's moving pocket attack. If St. Louis is out to milk anyone moving up the Skins likely will make the best offer shutting out the Browns.

- Tanneshill is a reach in the top ten but a humongeous reach at #4

It makes sense but I can't confirm anything other than this one source but I have found Zobel's past mock drafts to be solid and he used to be an active blogger with some good nuggets so its possible he has unearthed a storyline with legs.

Everything checks out in terms of logic.

I dont get this for Flynn, he should just wait for free agency then sign wherever he wants to.

The only way this deal gets done is if GB franchises him which would be counter-intuitive to pay a backup TOP 5 QB money.

A.K.A NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

Move along, nothing to see here folks.

That would make sense IF:FLynn was going to actually be franchised and was actually gauranteed a top-five NFL QB salasy.

He'll never be franchised because if he is then the Pack won't ever be able to move him and they'll be stuck with a backup QB earning $6 million more than Aarron Rodgers.

Forgetaboutit, he will never be franchised.

The Pack has only one option to sign then trade him if they want to get anything for him which I'm sure they do.

Flynn wants to earn as much C###$$ as possible.

The Pack can make Flynn an offer that would be better than what he could earn on the open market.

It makes sense for Flynn to earn more than what he could get on the open market.

It makes sense for the Pack to get something for him.

It makes for Cleveland.

I'm not feeing your dissiveness about this possiblity.

Highly unlikely that they'll pay him what he's looking for. Do you think GB will give him a Kevin Kolb/Matt Schaub type contract 6yr/60 mil? For a backup QB???Please let me know another backup in the league that is making that much cash.

I'll hang up and listen.

 

[The Hank]

If I'm the Browns, I wait for Flynn to come on the FA market and offer him a deal then; if GB signs him before than for an offer BIGGER than, as NO. 16 would say, it was never meant to be.; but I would not front all that cash AND pay up a 2nd rd pick to GB

 

[treat88]

As a Skins fan who believes only Cleveland stands in the way of trading up for RG3, I hope this is true.

As a Steelers fan I hope this is true as well!

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I'm not a cap guy but this isn't rocket science.

Flynn wants more than what the can get on the open market and he wants to start.

The Pack has only option if they want to trade him and that is to sign then trade him.

Cleveland would be a logical interested party.

You think that they can't figure out a contract structure to get this done?

I have zero contract expereince and have thought this over for about oh twenty seconds here's my offer.

Two or three year deal with a buy-back option.

First year, big enough signing bonus to make it agreeable for Flynn and his agent but not too big that the Pack can't take the hit.

Second year, big roster bonus so if Flynn blows up he will basically get a long term renegotiation.

Third year, HUGE roster bonus that he will never see if he craps out but if he doesn't blow up till his third year it he stands to win.

Again, contracts can be confusing but the bottom line is they can be worked out to make a deal work in this instance.

 

[daveR]

Maybe, maybe not. Only GB can negotiate right now. Open market is open & might not yield the results he wants. Maybe he has a number in mind and the Browns would meet it even though GB would not. Makes sense for GB & Cle.

 

[The Hank]

I'm not a cap guy but this isn't rocket science.Flynn wants more than what the can get on the open market and he wants to start.The Pack has only option if they want to trade him and that is to sign then trade him.Cleveland would be a logical interested party.You think that they can't figure out a contract structure to get this done?I have zero contract expereince and have thought this over for about oh twenty seconds here's my offer.Two or three year deal with a buy-back option.First year, big enough signing bonus to make it agreeable for Flynn and his agent but not too big that the Pack can't take the hit.Second year, big roster bonus so if Flynn blows up he will basically get a long term renegotiation.Third year, HUGE roster bonus that he will never see if he craps out but if he doesn't blow up till his third year it he stands to win.Again, contracts can be confusing but the bottom line is they can be worked out to make a deal work in this instance.

Tell me why you would do that if you were Flynn when you can get a 5-6 year deal with big time signing bonus and being able to dictate where you play next season? I'll play your game though; Let's say Flynn signs 3 yr 30 mil contract and you are GB, and the real possibility you dont trade him this year if you sign him (say you only get 3rd/4th rd offers on Flynn). You are going to eat probably around 3-6 mil in contract $ for 2012. Then next year 2013, you then are faced with the decision to cut him because of the massive bonus ($10 MIL +) that 31 teams know you cant afford and get NO compensation or sell him for whatever you can get (probably 4th/5th rder) because declining value and all the teams will wait for you to release him when you are unable to commit the funds to keep him on your roster and will get him for a bargain.You're better off if your GB to have him go via free agency and then get a 3rd/4th rd compensatory pick in the 2013 and save yourself some $ and hassle.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

The Pack can make Flynn an offer that would be better than what he could earn on the open market.

?

 

[The Kerminator]

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Report: From a source I trust, I've been told that # Packers and # Browns have had discussions regarding a Matt Flynn trade.

Shawn Zobel ‏ @ ShawnZobel_DHQ

GB is hoping to add further draft picks to attempt to trade up in the draft. They are targeting pass rushers.

Shawn Zobel ‏ @ ShawnZobel_DHQ

From what I was told, Cleveland # Browns are not thrilled with the idea of giving up two first round picks to move up two spots to draft RG3

Can't confirm anything but it makes sense on all fronts.

- The Pack just resigned Finley leaving open the possibility of franchising and trading Flynn or most likely scenario is they would choose to outright sign then trade him.

- The price that would be attached to Flynn in salary if he were franchised would kill any trade opportunities but if the Pack sign him with a back pocket deal they can sign him then turn around and pick up potentially a high second round pick.

- RG III is a fantastic prospect but he really doesn't fit the WC offene that Holgren/Shurmur/Childress want to run. He is a great fit for Shanny's moving pocket attack. If St. Louis is out to milk anyone moving up the Skins likely will make the best offer shutting out the Browns.

- Tanneshill is a reach in the top ten but a humongeous reach at #4

It makes sense but I can't confirm anything other than this one source but I have found Zobel's past mock drafts to be solid and he used to be an active blogger with some good nuggets so its possible he has unearthed a storyline with legs.

Everything checks out in terms of logic.

I dont get this for Flynn, he should just wait for free agency then sign wherever he wants to.

The only way this deal gets done is if GB franchises him which would be counter-intuitive to pay a backup TOP 5 QB money.

A.K.A NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

Move along, nothing to see here folks.

That would make sense IF:FLynn was going to actually be franchised and was actually gauranteed a top-five NFL QB salasy.

He'll never be franchised because if he is then the Pack won't ever be able to move him and they'll be stuck with a backup QB earning $6 million more than Aarron Rodgers.

Forgetaboutit, he will never be franchised.

The Pack has only one option to sign then trade him if they want to get anything for him which I'm sure they do.

Flynn wants to earn as much C###$$ as possible.

The Pack can make Flynn an offer that would be better than what he could earn on the open market.

It makes sense for Flynn to earn more than what he could get on the open market.

It makes sense for the Pack to get something for him.

It makes for Cleveland.

I'm not feeing your dissiveness about this possiblity.

Highly unlikely that they'll pay him what he's looking for. Do you think GB will give him a Kevin Kolb/Matt Schaub type contract 6yr/60 mil? For a backup QB???Please let me know another backup in the league that is making that much cash.

I'll hang up and listen.

GB would technically be signing him to the contract but Cleveland would have to agree to it with GB. If Cleveland waits until he goes on the open market as a FA they then have to compete with other teams to sign him. That's why you make the trade to guarantee you end up with him. And it wouldn't be for a backup QB. He would likely start in Cleveland.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I'm not a cap guy but this isn't rocket science.Flynn wants more than what the can get on the open market and he wants to start.The Pack has only option if they want to trade him and that is to sign then trade him.Cleveland would be a logical interested party.You think that they can't figure out a contract structure to get this done?I have zero contract expereince and have thought this over for about oh twenty seconds here's my offer.Two or three year deal with a buy-back option.First year, big enough signing bonus to make it agreeable for Flynn and his agent but not too big that the Pack can't take the hit.Second year, big roster bonus so if Flynn blows up he will basically get a long term renegotiation.Third year, HUGE roster bonus that he will never see if he craps out but if he doesn't blow up till his third year it he stands to win.Again, contracts can be confusing but the bottom line is they can be worked out to make a deal work in this instance.

Tell me why you would do that if you were Flynn when you can get a 5-6 year deal with big time signing bonus and being able to dictate where you play next season? I'll play your game though; Let's say Flynn signs 3 yr 30 mil contract and you are GB, and the real possibility you dont trade him this year if you sign him (say you only get 3rd/4th rd offers on Flynn). You are going to eat probably around 3-6 mil in contract $ for 2012. Then next year 2013, you then are faced with the decision to cut him because of the massive bonus ($10 MIL +) that 31 teams know you cant afford and get NO compensation or sell him for whatever you can get (probably 4th/5th rder) because declining value and all the teams will wait for you to release him when you are unable to commit the funds to keep him on your roster and will get him for a bargain.You're better off if your GB to have him go via free agency and then get a 3rd/4th rd compensatory pick in the 2013 and save yourself some $ and hassle.

You are saying that a seventh round draft pick who only played in a WCO as a backup QB, Matt Fynn, gets to write a 5/6 yr long term contract based on two starts? In GB, with that supporting cast?Your bias is showing Pittsburgh fan.A dael CAN be worked out even if you can't comprehend that something this logical has a working and highly agreeable solution.Mike Holgren has connections with Green Bay. He can pay out bigtime and blow his two first-round picks for a guy who doesn't fit his WCO or keep those picks and try to work out a deal for Flynn. I'm sure he understands how he could make a contract fit that would be less than an RG III contract. Does it make sense for Cleveland? Yes if Holmgren and Shurmur and Chilly sign off on Flynn I'd say they are sold. And they may even be agreeable to giving him a long term deal for all I know.GB has two options, get nothing for Flynn or get something for him. They would be the ones doing the heavy lifting on hammering out a contract with Flynn. Flynn wants to get paid and he wants to start.A contract won't hold this up if it is legit and Zobel has been around for awhile so he probably stumbled on something.

 

[loose circuits]

wow, plenty of BS in this thread.

When is the last time we have seen a sign and trade deal in the NFL?

I can't ever remember one...

Only way to do this is via franchise tag ala Matt Cassell.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

wow, plenty of BS in this thread.When is the last time we have seen a sign and trade deal in the NFL?I can't ever remember one...Only way to do this is via franchise tag ala Matt Cassell.

I dunno.When was the last time a backup WCO QB averaged 400 yards and 4tds in his only two starts and was going to hit the open market where his team couldn't franchise him but only could get something for him by signing him then trading him? When was the last time that two WCO held top-ten picks and the only viable draft option didn't fit the WCO?Matt Cassell isn't the comparison that works, its Kevin Kolb who played well as a backup in a WCO and then was traded to a totally different system and has been awful.Flynn is a perfect fit for Cleveland or Miami. Makes sense that Holmgren would still have connections in GB to get a jump on negotiations.

 

[The Hank]

I'm not a cap guy but this isn't rocket science.Flynn wants more than what the can get on the open market and he wants to start.The Pack has only option if they want to trade him and that is to sign then trade him.Cleveland would be a logical interested party.You think that they can't figure out a contract structure to get this done?I have zero contract expereince and have thought this over for about oh twenty seconds here's my offer.Two or three year deal with a buy-back option.First year, big enough signing bonus to make it agreeable for Flynn and his agent but not too big that the Pack can't take the hit.Second year, big roster bonus so if Flynn blows up he will basically get a long term renegotiation.Third year, HUGE roster bonus that he will never see if he craps out but if he doesn't blow up till his third year it he stands to win.Again, contracts can be confusing but the bottom line is they can be worked out to make a deal work in this instance.

Tell me why you would do that if you were Flynn when you can get a 5-6 year deal with big time signing bonus and being able to dictate where you play next season? I'll play your game though; Let's say Flynn signs 3 yr 30 mil contract and you are GB, and the real possibility you dont trade him this year if you sign him (say you only get 3rd/4th rd offers on Flynn). You are going to eat probably around 3-6 mil in contract $ for 2012. Then next year 2013, you then are faced with the decision to cut him because of the massive bonus ($10 MIL +) that 31 teams know you cant afford and get NO compensation or sell him for whatever you can get (probably 4th/5th rder) because declining value and all the teams will wait for you to release him when you are unable to commit the funds to keep him on your roster and will get him for a bargain.You're better off if your GB to have him go via free agency and then get a 3rd/4th rd compensatory pick in the 2013 and save yourself some $ and hassle.

You are saying that a seventh round draft pick who only played in a WCO as a backup QB, Matt Fynn, gets to write a 5/6 yr long term contract based on two starts? In GB, with that supporting cast?Your bias is showing Pittsburgh fan.A dael CAN be worked out even if you can't comprehend that something this logical has a working and highly agreeable solution.Mike Holgren has connections with Green Bay. He can pay out bigtime and blow his two first-round picks for a guy who doesn't fit his WCO or keep those picks and try to work out a deal for Flynn. I'm sure he understands how he could make a contract fit that would be less than an RG III contract. Does it make sense for Cleveland? Yes if Holmgren and Shurmur and Chilly sign off on Flynn I'd say they are sold. And they may even be agreeable to giving him a long term deal for all I know.GB has two options, get nothing for Flynn or get something for him. They would be the ones doing the heavy lifting on hammering out a contract with Flynn. Flynn wants to get paid and he wants to start.A contract won't hold this up if it is legit and Zobel has been around for awhile so he probably stumbled on something.

Im not disagreeing with the fact that Flynn is a good fit for Cleveland.Im just disagreeing that GB is going to plan on a sign/trade when there is alot of assumed risk for an act like that -- couple in the fact that he will be a UFA in 3 weeks or so and I just dont see any way this scenario happening.I expect him to hit the open market and will be interested in going to MIA and CLE (and to a lesser degree WAS and SEA)

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I'm not a cap guy but this isn't rocket science.Flynn wants more than what the can get on the open market and he wants to start.The Pack has only option if they want to trade him and that is to sign then trade him.Cleveland would be a logical interested party.You think that they can't figure out a contract structure to get this done?I have zero contract expereince and have thought this over for about oh twenty seconds here's my offer.Two or three year deal with a buy-back option.First year, big enough signing bonus to make it agreeable for Flynn and his agent but not too big that the Pack can't take the hit.Second year, big roster bonus so if Flynn blows up he will basically get a long term renegotiation.Third year, HUGE roster bonus that he will never see if he craps out but if he doesn't blow up till his third year it he stands to win.Again, contracts can be confusing but the bottom line is they can be worked out to make a deal work in this instance.

Tell me why you would do that if you were Flynn when you can get a 5-6 year deal with big time signing bonus and being able to dictate where you play next season? I'll play your game though; Let's say Flynn signs 3 yr 30 mil contract and you are GB, and the real possibility you dont trade him this year if you sign him (say you only get 3rd/4th rd offers on Flynn). You are going to eat probably around 3-6 mil in contract $ for 2012. Then next year 2013, you then are faced with the decision to cut him because of the massive bonus ($10 MIL +) that 31 teams know you cant afford and get NO compensation or sell him for whatever you can get (probably 4th/5th rder) because declining value and all the teams will wait for you to release him when you are unable to commit the funds to keep him on your roster and will get him for a bargain.You're better off if your GB to have him go via free agency and then get a 3rd/4th rd compensatory pick in the 2013 and save yourself some $ and hassle.

You are saying that a seventh round draft pick who only played in a WCO as a backup QB, Matt Fynn, gets to write a 5/6 yr long term contract based on two starts? In GB, with that supporting cast?Your bias is showing Pittsburgh fan.A dael CAN be worked out even if you can't comprehend that something this logical has a working and highly agreeable solution.Mike Holgren has connections with Green Bay. He can pay out bigtime and blow his two first-round picks for a guy who doesn't fit his WCO or keep those picks and try to work out a deal for Flynn. I'm sure he understands how he could make a contract fit that would be less than an RG III contract. Does it make sense for Cleveland? Yes if Holmgren and Shurmur and Chilly sign off on Flynn I'd say they are sold. And they may even be agreeable to giving him a long term deal for all I know.GB has two options, get nothing for Flynn or get something for him. They would be the ones doing the heavy lifting on hammering out a contract with Flynn. Flynn wants to get paid and he wants to start.A contract won't hold this up if it is legit and Zobel has been around for awhile so he probably stumbled on something.

Im not disagreeing with the fact that Flynn is a good fit for Cleveland.Im just disagreeing that GB is going to plan on a sign/trade when there is alot of assumed risk for an act like that -- couple in the fact that he will be a UFA in 3 weeks or so and I just dont see any way this scenario happening.I expect him to hit the open market and will be interested in going to MIA and CLE (and to a lesser degree WAS and SEA)

I'm not being rude but you just don't get it.Matt Flynn's big payday is basically limted to the two teams in need of a starting QB who play the WCO, Miami and Cleveland.Why>?KEVIN KOLB.If he thumbs his nose and refuses the deal that GB wil put on the table then he has lost all leverage with Miami who will be holding all of the cards if he htis the open market and Cleveland has been rebuffed.Who else needs a starting WCO QB and would be paying big bucks?The bigtime open market would be Miami at that point.His best offer is probably being worked out at right now.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

bracie, I know it's important for a lot of guys to feel they're right about something, especially onfantasy football boards, but what you're posting is nonsensical.

generally speaking, if most of the people around you don't get what you're saying you probably should take a second look at it.

It's possible we'll see that gb/cle trade, but I'm just commenting on what you've posted.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

bracie, I know it's important for a lot of guys to feel they're right about something, especially onfantasy football boards, but what you're posting is nonsensical.generally speaking, if most of the people around you don't get what you're saying you probably should take a second look at it.It's possible we'll see that gb/cle trade, but I'm just commenting on what you've posted.

Larry,Kolb played for years in a WCO. He had more than two starts. Cassell played a full season but in a totally different offense so that comparison doesn't fit. Kolb does. The signing of Kolb by Arizona of Kolb made no sense. He didn't fit that offense and the long term contract was out of line.You seem to think Flynn would hit the open market and their would be a feeding frenzy. I disagree and the reason is Kevin Kolb. I was passing along something without any other source and the guy could be onto something. Its not a matter of being right or wrong, I was pointing out the logic to the rumor.

 

[Donnybrook]

I won't dismiss this rumor out of hand because they are some parellels to the way Matt Cassel was traded. IIRC, New England was also up against the salary cap when they choose to franchise Cassel. Belichick and Pioli had an agreement early on in the process. Cassel was trade without having a contract agreement with KC.

You have to wonder if Cassel would have choosen KC if he could have hit the open market. KC was 2-14 the year prior. Denver and Chicago were also interested in him. Denver of course had McDaniels as their newly hired head coach.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I won't dismiss this rumor out of hand because they are some parellels to the way Matt Cassel was traded. IIRC, New England was also up against the salary cap when they choose to franchise Cassel. Belichick and Pioli had an agreement early on in the process. Cassel was trade without having a contract agreement with KC. You have to wonder if Cassel would have choosen KC if he could have hit the open market. KC was 2-14 the year prior. Denver and Chicago were also interested in him. Denver of course had McDaniels as their newly hired head coach.

you really don't know who was interested enough to make him an offer, and since he signed a longer term deal with kc after being traded there I'll assume he was ok with playing in kc.of course, taking the money when it's in front of you is probably the way to go, but I doubt kc would've made that trade if there wasn't some idea that he'd be amenable to a longer term deal.

 

[captbly]

I dont get this for Flynn, he should just wait for free agency then sign wherever he wants to.The only way this deal gets done is if GB franchises him which would be counter-intuitive to pay a backup TOP 5 QB money.A.K.A NOT GOING TO HAPPENMove along, nothing to see here folks.

this offseason is the first full one under the new collective bargaining agreement, which stipulates that a tagged player will no longer receive the average of the five highest-paid players at his position. Instead the salary for those players will be determined by a complicated formula that factors franchise tags for the previous five years.Still would put him over $14 Mill

 

[The Kerminator]

I dont get this for Flynn, he should just wait for free agency then sign wherever he wants to.The only way this deal gets done is if GB franchises him which would be counter-intuitive to pay a backup TOP 5 QB money.A.K.A NOT GOING TO HAPPENMove along, nothing to see here folks.

this offseason is the first full one under the new collective bargaining agreement, which stipulates that a tagged player will no longer receive the average of the five highest-paid players at his position. Instead the salary for those players will be determined by a complicated formula that factors franchise tags for the previous five years.Still would put him over $14 Mill

So if Flynn is going to agree to a deal with another team before a trade he would want at least $14 million in guaranteed money as a starting point for a new contract. Otherwise he could just sign the franchise tag with the Packers and collect his $14 mil for the year.

 

[daveR]

I dont get this for Flynn, he should just wait for free agency then sign wherever he wants to.The only way this deal gets done is if GB franchises him which would be counter-intuitive to pay a backup TOP 5 QB money.A.K.A NOT GOING TO HAPPENMove along, nothing to see here folks.

this offseason is the first full one under the new collective bargaining agreement, which stipulates that a tagged player will no longer receive the average of the five highest-paid players at his position. Instead the salary for those players will be determined by a complicated formula that factors franchise tags for the previous five years.Still would put him over $14 Mill

So if Flynn is going to agree to a deal with another team before a trade he would want at least $14 million in guaranteed money as a starting point for a new contract. Otherwise he could just sign the franchise tag with the Packers and collect his $14 mil for the year.

Uh... no. Pack won't franchise him. Period. Can't pay a back-up franchise money.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

If the Packers can get a deal in place with a team that can work out a new contract with Flynn, why wouldn't they franchise him? They'll never pay him a dime of what they'd owe under the Franchise Tag. It would just be a tool to allow a team to trade for him, rather than risk losing him on the open market. Its been done before.

 

[loose circuits]

I think Bracie is missing the point. Sign & Trades do not happen in the NFL unless it is some kinda tag because no player is going to sign for minimal guaranteed money. Kevin Kolb was under contract, there is a big difference.

Franchising him will be a risk, but it's the only way Green Bay gets anything other than a compensatory pick out of him. We'll have to wait and see

 

[The Comedian]

Uh... no. Pack won't franchise him. Period. Can't pay a back-up franchise money.

People are finding this situation really confusing, I don't know why.They will not pay a back-up franchise money. They will tag him, the money will go on the "books," but he will get traded before he's paid. Just like Cassel was.

Period.

Seriously, the Packers have a tough choice. If they tag Flynn and somehow are not able to trade him, they're screwed. By tagging him, they give him a lot of leverage in the salary negotiations that would take place with CLE or MIA or whoever because he can demand he be paid big money, or he'll just stay on the franchise contract and do this all again next season. CLE or MIA probably wouldn't risk trading for him on a one year deal, leaving GB potentially stuck with the contract. But I doubt that happens - Cassel was traded on the franchise contract and signed to a long-term deal after the trade. The same could happen with Flynn.

I'm not sure if the Packers will take that chance, they may decide not to and just let him walk, but tagging him does not mean that they're paying him the money, I don't get why that is confusing.

Also the "sign and trade" thing is absurd. Flynn has no reason to do that. None. If the Packers can sign him to a contract and then trade him, that means Flynn could get that contract as a free agent, PLUS the option of trying to get more by holding an auction between two or more teams that could then sign him without giving up any picks. So, please, Bracie, just stop. Thanks.

 

[The Comedian]

I think Bracie is missing the point. Sign & Trades do not happen in the NFL unless it is some kinda tag because no player is going to sign for minimal guaranteed money. Kevin Kolb was under contract, there is a big difference.

Correct. Flynn would have to be a complete moron to sign a contract without a signing bonus three weeks before free agency began just to help his former team get compensation for his departure.

 

[cstu]

As a Skins fan who believes only Cleveland stands in the way of trading up for RG3, I hope this is true.

As a Steelers fan I hope this is true as well!

I don't think you'll be as happy if they get Flynn and then either Blackmon/Claiborne or still find a way to get a king's ransom out of the Redskins.

 

[Sebowski]

As a Skins fan who believes only Cleveland stands in the way of trading up for RG3, I hope this is true.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Has anyone taken Flynn's belt and shoelaces?

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Has anyone taken Flynn's belt and shoelaces?

Cleveland is where Quarterbacks go to die.

 

[Couch Potato]

Uh... no. Pack won't franchise him. Period. Can't pay a back-up franchise money.

People are finding this situation really confusing, I don't know why.They will not pay a back-up franchise money. They will tag him, the money will go on the "books," but he will get traded before he's paid. Just like Cassel was.

Period.

Seriously, the Packers have a tough choice. If they tag Flynn and somehow are not able to trade him, they're screwed. By tagging him, they give him a lot of leverage in the salary negotiations that would take place with CLE or MIA or whoever because he can demand he be paid big money, or he'll just stay on the franchise contract and do this all again next season. CLE or MIA probably wouldn't risk trading for him on a one year deal, leaving GB potentially stuck with the contract. But I doubt that happens - Cassel was traded on the franchise contract and signed to a long-term deal after the trade. The same could happen with Flynn.

I'm not sure if the Packers will take that chance, they may decide not to and just let him walk, but tagging him does not mean that they're paying him the money, I don't get why that is confusing.

Also the "sign and trade" thing is absurd. Flynn has no reason to do that. None. If the Packers can sign him to a contract and then trade him, that means Flynn could get that contract as a free agent, PLUS the option of trying to get more by holding an auction between two or more teams that could then sign him without giving up any picks. So, please, Bracie, just stop. Thanks.

All of this is correct. To answer your point in the 2nd paragraph, the franchise tag would only be used once the Pack determines they are not taking a chance. In other words, a behind closed doors deal with the trade partner, and the agreement of Flynn and his agent, already have to be in place before they would tag him. None of this can be officially done yet of course but in reality that's what will happen before tagging. No way they tag him and then just hope.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

With this news, the news that Miami will likely sign Manning, and the recent news that Seattle is not willing to trade up for a QB or spend big $$ on a question mark in FA...its starting to look like there's no one BUT the Skins who would trade up for RG3.

Is it totally crazy to think that the Rams, Vikes, Browns, and Bucs will all be "stuck" at their original picks with nobody to start a bidding war with the Skins, causing RG3 to naturally fall to #6? Sounds like a pipe dream, but a scenario where Seattle does nothing, Miami invests in Manning, and Cleveland has already signed Flynn is not far-fetched at all.

 

[massraider]

Uh... no. Pack won't franchise him. Period. Can't pay a back-up franchise money.

People are finding this situation really confusing, I don't know why.They will not pay a back-up franchise money. They will tag him, the money will go on the "books," but he will get traded before he's paid. Just like Cassel was.

Period.

Seriously, the Packers have a tough choice. If they tag Flynn and somehow are not able to trade him, they're screwed. By tagging him, they give him a lot of leverage in the salary negotiations that would take place with CLE or MIA or whoever because he can demand he be paid big money, or he'll just stay on the franchise contract and do this all again next season. CLE or MIA probably wouldn't risk trading for him on a one year deal, leaving GB potentially stuck with the contract. But I doubt that happens - Cassel was traded on the franchise contract and signed to a long-term deal after the trade. The same could happen with Flynn.

I'm not sure if the Packers will take that chance, they may decide not to and just let him walk, but tagging him does not mean that they're paying him the money, I don't get why that is confusing.

Also the "sign and trade" thing is absurd. Flynn has no reason to do that. None. If the Packers can sign him to a contract and then trade him, that means Flynn could get that contract as a free agent, PLUS the option of trying to get more by holding an auction between two or more teams that could then sign him without giving up any picks. So, please, Bracie, just stop. Thanks.

All of this is correct. To answer your point in the 2nd paragraph, the franchise tag would only be used once the Pack determines they are not taking a chance. In other words, a behind closed doors deal with the trade partner, and the agreement of Flynn and his agent, already have to be in place before they would tag him. None of this can be officially done yet of course but in reality that's what will happen before tagging. No way they tag him and then just hope.

Agree with both posts.I get the "hopefulness" of both Pack fans and Browns fans, and trying to shoehorn some logic into the idea of a sign and trade, and I will concede it is possible, I just don't see how it makes much sense. Flynn is going to listen to his agent. And no agent with Flynn as a free agent is going to tell his client to do anything other than hit the open market as the only young, quality QB on the free agent market. I'd be shocked if Flynn already knows where he wants to go, but I am sure he and his people know who wants to talk to him once FA starts. They already know who's interested.

The other thing I think about is that if the Pack was to try a sign and trade, if the negotiations between CLE and Flynn took a while, or bogged down, that's $14 mill, or whatever it is, is tied up, and the Pack might miss out on the early free agent wave.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm not a cap guy but this isn't rocket science.

Flynn wants more than what the can get on the open market and he wants to start.

The Pack has only option if they want to trade him and that is to sign then trade him.

Cleveland would be a logical interested party.

You think that they can't figure out a contract structure to get this done?

I have zero contract expereince and have thought this over for about oh twenty seconds here's my offer.

Two or three year deal with a buy-back option.

First year, big enough signing bonus to make it agreeable for Flynn and his agent but not too big that the Pack can't take the hit.

Second year, big roster bonus so if Flynn blows up he will basically get a long term renegotiation.

Third year, HUGE roster bonus that he will never see if he craps out but if he doesn't blow up till his third year it he stands to win.

Again, contracts can be confusing but the bottom line is they can be worked out to make a deal work in this instance.

How can they trade a player whose contract is expired without franchising him?

 

[Crippler]

Uh... no. Pack won't franchise him. Period. Can't pay a back-up franchise money.

People are finding this situation really confusing, I don't know why.They will not pay a back-up franchise money. They will tag him, the money will go on the "books," but he will get traded before he's paid. Just like Cassel was.

Period.

Seriously, the Packers have a tough choice. If they tag Flynn and somehow are not able to trade him, they're screwed. By tagging him, they give him a lot of leverage in the salary negotiations that would take place with CLE or MIA or whoever because he can demand he be paid big money, or he'll just stay on the franchise contract and do this all again next season. CLE or MIA probably wouldn't risk trading for him on a one year deal, leaving GB potentially stuck with the contract. But I doubt that happens - Cassel was traded on the franchise contract and signed to a long-term deal after the trade. The same could happen with Flynn.

I'm not sure if the Packers will take that chance, they may decide not to and just let him walk, but tagging him does not mean that they're paying him the money, I don't get why that is confusing.

Also the "sign and trade" thing is absurd. Flynn has no reason to do that. None. If the Packers can sign him to a contract and then trade him, that means Flynn could get that contract as a free agent, PLUS the option of trying to get more by holding an auction between two or more teams that could then sign him without giving up any picks. So, please, Bracie, just stop. Thanks.

All of this is correct. To answer your point in the 2nd paragraph, the franchise tag would only be used once the Pack determines they are not taking a chance. In other words, a behind closed doors deal with the trade partner, and the agreement of Flynn and his agent, already have to be in place before they would tag him. None of this can be officially done yet of course but in reality that's what will happen before tagging. No way they tag him and then just hope.

Agree with both posts.I get the "hopefulness" of both Pack fans and Browns fans, and trying to shoehorn some logic into the idea of a sign and trade, and I will concede it is possible, I just don't see how it makes much sense. Flynn is going to listen to his agent. And no agent with Flynn as a free agent is going to tell his client to do anything other than hit the open market as the only young, quality QB on the free agent market. I'd be shocked if Flynn already knows where he wants to go, but I am sure he and his people know who wants to talk to him once FA starts. They already know who's interested.

The other thing I think about is that if the Pack was to try a sign and trade, if the negotiations between CLE and Flynn took a while, or bogged down, that's $14 mill, or whatever it is, is tied up, and the Pack might miss out on the early free agent wave.

When is the last time the Packers were players in FA in the early wave. I cant remember this with Thompson at the head of things. Reggie White maybe ?

 

[Sabertooth]

Uh... no. Pack won't franchise him. Period. Can't pay a back-up franchise money.

People are finding this situation really confusing, I don't know why.They will not pay a back-up franchise money. They will tag him, the money will go on the "books," but he will get traded before he's paid. Just like Cassel was.

Period.

Seriously, the Packers have a tough choice. If they tag Flynn and somehow are not able to trade him, they're screwed. By tagging him, they give him a lot of leverage in the salary negotiations that would take place with CLE or MIA or whoever because he can demand he be paid big money, or he'll just stay on the franchise contract and do this all again next season. CLE or MIA probably wouldn't risk trading for him on a one year deal, leaving GB potentially stuck with the contract. But I doubt that happens - Cassel was traded on the franchise contract and signed to a long-term deal after the trade. The same could happen with Flynn.

I'm not sure if the Packers will take that chance, they may decide not to and just let him walk, but tagging him does not mean that they're paying him the money, I don't get why that is confusing.

Also the "sign and trade" thing is absurd. Flynn has no reason to do that. None. If the Packers can sign him to a contract and then trade him, that means Flynn could get that contract as a free agent, PLUS the option of trying to get more by holding an auction between two or more teams that could then sign him without giving up any picks. So, please, Bracie, just stop. Thanks.

All of this is correct. To answer your point in the 2nd paragraph, the franchise tag would only be used once the Pack determines they are not taking a chance. In other words, a behind closed doors deal with the trade partner, and the agreement of Flynn and his agent, already have to be in place before they would tag him. None of this can be officially done yet of course but in reality that's what will happen before tagging. No way they tag him and then just hope.

Agree with both posts.I get the "hopefulness" of both Pack fans and Browns fans, and trying to shoehorn some logic into the idea of a sign and trade, and I will concede it is possible, I just don't see how it makes much sense. Flynn is going to listen to his agent. And no agent with Flynn as a free agent is going to tell his client to do anything other than hit the open market as the only young, quality QB on the free agent market. I'd be shocked if Flynn already knows where he wants to go, but I am sure he and his people know who wants to talk to him once FA starts. They already know who's interested.

The other thing I think about is that if the Pack was to try a sign and trade, if the negotiations between CLE and Flynn took a while, or bogged down, that's $14 mill, or whatever it is, is tied up, and the Pack might miss out on the early free agent wave.

The don't participate in the "blow your money on overrated dudes" part of free agency even when they have a ton of cap space.

 

[Riversco]

With this news, the news that Miami will likely sign Manning, and the recent news that Seattle is not willing to trade up for a QB or spend big $$ on a question mark in FA...its starting to look like there's no one BUT the Skins who would trade up for RG3.Is it totally crazy to think that the Rams, Vikes, Browns, and Bucs will all be "stuck" at their original picks with nobody to start a bidding war with the Skins, causing RG3 to naturally fall to #6? Sounds like a pipe dream, but a scenario where Seattle does nothing, Miami invests in Manning, and Cleveland has already signed Flynn is not far-fetched at all.

A lot of wacky things happen in the draft. Let's suppose the Browns trade their second rounder for Flynn. I wouldn't be shocked if RG3 fell to #4 and the Browns selected him anyway, and then threw the job open in camp, loser gets traded. Why not? They need a QB, might as well take both. It would be like Aikman vs Walsh back in 1989.

 

[thayman]

With this news, the news that Miami will likely sign Manning, and the recent news that Seattle is not willing to trade up for a QB or spend big $$ on a question mark in FA...its starting to look like there's no one BUT the Skins who would trade up for RG3.Is it totally crazy to think that the Rams, Vikes, Browns, and Bucs will all be "stuck" at their original picks with nobody to start a bidding war with the Skins, causing RG3 to naturally fall to #6? Sounds like a pipe dream, but a scenario where Seattle does nothing, Miami invests in Manning, and Cleveland has already signed Flynn is not far-fetched at all.

A lot of wacky things happen in the draft. Let's suppose the Browns trade their second rounder for Flynn. I wouldn't be shocked if RG3 fell to #4 and the Browns selected him anyway, and then threw the job open in camp, loser gets traded. Why not? They need a QB, might as well take both. It would be like Aikman vs Walsh back in 1989.

Cleveland has a lot of holes signing Flynn and drafting Griffin would be idiotic.

 

[Andrew Garda]

If you think the Pack can't or won't franchise Flynn then you're wrong. The only way they do it, however, is if they have a trade in place. If they tag him and then immediately trade him, the team who trades FOR him will be on the hook for the salary. Now, franchise tags are meant to be applied in order to give a team and player more time to negotiate a long term contract - at least it's how the tag was meant to be, more often than not it's used to lock a player down when a team doesn't know what else to do, much to the annoyance of the NFLPA.

If Flynn is tagged and then traded to Miami/Cleveland/Montreal Alouttes, then THEY can either keep the tag OR more likely sign him to a long term deal.

Now the monkey in the wrench would be if Flynn refuses to sign his tender, but that might be foolish as he'd be forced to sit out until he does and a trade would fall apart AND as a back-up he runs the risk of his stock cooling off while someone newer and hotter comes along.

But it's absolutely a possibility. Not saying it WILL happen but it absolutely CAN.

 

[Riversco]

With this news, the news that Miami will likely sign Manning, and the recent news that Seattle is not willing to trade up for a QB or spend big $$ on a question mark in FA...its starting to look like there's no one BUT the Skins who would trade up for RG3.Is it totally crazy to think that the Rams, Vikes, Browns, and Bucs will all be "stuck" at their original picks with nobody to start a bidding war with the Skins, causing RG3 to naturally fall to #6? Sounds like a pipe dream, but a scenario where Seattle does nothing, Miami invests in Manning, and Cleveland has already signed Flynn is not far-fetched at all.

A lot of wacky things happen in the draft. Let's suppose the Browns trade their second rounder for Flynn. I wouldn't be shocked if RG3 fell to #4 and the Browns selected him anyway, and then threw the job open in camp, loser gets traded. Why not? They need a QB, might as well take both. It would be like Aikman vs Walsh back in 1989.

Cleveland has a lot of holes signing Flynn and drafting Griffin would be idiotic.

It worked for Dallas. If the goal is to find a franchise QB, the highest probability of success is to take both. Its not always about getting maximum value for picks.

 

[Shutout]

With all those draft picks, I would think Cleveland is in the driver's seat here and could end up with either of the two QBs they want.

I really don't think its the Packer's M.O. to tag Flynn (I agree it is completely possible..just don't know they would do it).

They could lose him and get a comp pick (3rd?). OR they take a lot of risk and play musical chairs and hope to drive it up to what will probably be a 2nd or a 2nd now and something down the road. Is it really worth it to risk that much guaranteed money for that kind of return? I don't know. And it seems like they wouldn't be doing Flynn any good will either because they would completely take all the decision making out of his hands and they would be knocking him out of getting a better, longer contract. I know they don't owe him anything but the Pack seems to be the type of organization that realistically tries to give and get with their players and be fair.

 

[Crippler]

Does a 1st and 2nd for Griffin and Flynn not seem cheaper than the 2 1st they would sacrifice to move up for Griffin. Be a great move for Cleveland and take him if he drops or you could trade down again and recoup the 2nd rounder plus. Or come out of draft with Flynn and Blackmon, Richardson, or Claiborne and still have the other 1st rounder. This is a no brainer for both Packers and Browns. Now to get Flynn to agree to a deal. Would probably be something like Kolb did.

 

[cheese]

As a Skins fan who believes only Cleveland stands in the way of trading up for RG3, I hope this is true.

Only problem with this logic is that once Cleveland is out of the QB market, STL can't move behind them if they want Blackmon. Cleveland would still be a problem in that sense.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Source:

Shawn Zobel Draft Headquarters

90% of this guys stuff is lifted from somebody else.

 

[yellowdog]

With this news, the news that Miami will likely sign Manning, and the recent news that Seattle is not willing to trade up for a QB or spend big $$ on a question mark in FA...its starting to look like there's no one BUT the Skins who would trade up for RG3.Is it totally crazy to think that the Rams, Vikes, Browns, and Bucs will all be "stuck" at their original picks with nobody to start a bidding war with the Skins, causing RG3 to naturally fall to #6? Sounds like a pipe dream, but a scenario where Seattle does nothing, Miami invests in Manning, and Cleveland has already signed Flynn is not far-fetched at all.

A lot of wacky things happen in the draft. Let's suppose the Browns trade their second rounder for Flynn. I wouldn't be shocked if RG3 fell to #4 and the Browns selected him anyway, and then threw the job open in camp, loser gets traded. Why not? They need a QB, might as well take both. It would be like Aikman vs Walsh back in 1989.

Browns would take him, or at least make the Redskins think they were going to, then trade the pick to the Skins.