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I think holders of top five picks got a nice reward of terrific landing spots for all four top RBs. Mid first got WRs landing where they have clear paths to #1 jobs.Harvin is the wildcard in the first.Unless you need a QB or really love Stafford/Sanchez, late first is weak, and the 2nd round is harsh this year.Agreed that 3rd/4th value is not at all off 2nd round value this year.Real rough year with 2nd tier backs and the receiving TEs dropping, although some of the TEs found good homes.
Dustin Keller without quite the same game in the air - in other words, not a TE at all, but an oversized receiver.
Drops too many for my liking, and there's no real long term opportunity in GB to start at WR that I can see.
Brandon Pettigrew - Daniel Graham with better handsChase Coffman - Todd Heap with less quickness and burst off the lineJames Casey - Dallas Clark without the speed, but with more strength and toughness after the catch and wildcat QB abilitiesCornelius Ingram - LJ Smith with better handsJared Cook - Greg Olsen with coachability issuesShawn Nelson - shorter Marcedes Lewis (but hopefully won't develop the dropsies like Lewis did last year)
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I think this is the year to get as many late 1sts to early 2nds as you can.Out of the Top 5 RBs in most Rankings (Moreno / Wells / Brown / McCoy / Greene), only McCoy has a waiting period; all the other RBs are going to hit the field with decent playing time this yr.Then theres the WRs, after Crabtree I view the next 6 at almost the same tier (Maclin / Harvin / HBD / Hicks / Britt / Robiskie) all of which are walking on to teams w/ starting jobs and all have the same percentage to break out this yr. Toss in a Couple of TEs and the QBs; more picks the better.
millertyme1
Footballguy
dynasty league would you take Nelson or Beckum or Coffman?
my choice is Beckum but seems to have the toughest road to being the starter. Maybe they move Boss to more of the blocking TE?
my choice is Beckum but seems to have the toughest road to being the starter. Maybe they move Boss to more of the blocking TE?
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Thanks so much - you guys rock!
Massaquoi really stands out as someone shockingly low in this ranking, coming in at #53. Cleveland is already short on WRs, so he should see immediate playing time. They felt strongly enough to use a 2nd rounder on him. I wasn't a huge fan of him when he was coming out, but the opportunity is there for him to get playing time and especially with the troubles with Edwards, he could be starting in 2010 even if he doesn't beat out his draftmate this year.
Norm Peterson
Footballguy
Sigmund, thanks for all your hard work!
What kind of bump, if any, would you give Beckum and Pettigrew in a RB=.05, WR=1, TE=2 PPR league?
What kind of bump, if any, would you give Beckum and Pettigrew in a RB=.05, WR=1, TE=2 PPR league?
I always assumed he would be a 2nd/3rd rounder and be drafted to start. Ive seen too much of his unexplainable tendency to drop easy passes to believe in him even though he's a starting quality athlete at WR.
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Probably bump them all up about 5 spots.
cstu
Footballguy
Take those with a grain of a salt:
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Your a machine bloom to get all this out so quickly. 
My board looks a lot more like this
My board looks a lot more like this
Tillmanisahero
Footballguy
Make sure to you read the explanation that goes with it. It is a basic comparison not a prediction.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Just a quick question as a Bills homer. Why do you have Maybin ranked so much below the other DE's he was drafted higher than (and much higher with the other 3)? You say he is a developmental DE but do you actually think he is that far behind Brown, Johnson and Barwin when all three were taken dramatically later in the draft than Maybin? I would actaully think he is the closest to being NFL ready than all the other DE's drafted.
I like Brown a lot more than Maybin and think his all around game is a lot farther along - he was hurt by being a physical tweener, but I expect him to prove that he was unduly knocked down the board. My feelings about Johnson are well known, I think he has Peppers/Johnson upside. Barwin could get a bump in fantasy value from being a TE, or he'd be closer to Maybin. Part of the problem is that Maybin just turned 21, and honestly I dont think his body will be ready to be an everydown DE for 2-3 years because of it. In my experience, it's difficult for IDP prospects to be worth carrying through developmental periods unless they are high upside linebackers, or likely within a year of getting full time work.
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mlball77
Footballguy
Hi Bloom,
Great list! Much appreciated.
Is it a near certainty that NYG is done searching for a top flight WR now? I just wonder what the risk factor associated with Nicks is right now... as you, and many, have him ranked in the top 7 currently. Are the Giants content to roll with their current group of WRs?
Great list! Much appreciated.
Is it a near certainty that NYG is done searching for a top flight WR now? I just wonder what the risk factor associated with Nicks is right now... as you, and many, have him ranked in the top 7 currently. Are the Giants content to roll with their current group of WRs?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
This has been my experience as well with linemen that most of them take 2-3 years before they are strong enough and up to speed technique wise to perform well. There are some exceptions but I think that is the trend.The Bills rotate their ends a lot which hurts their relative value also.
The main risk with Nicks is the weight/fitness issue during the pre-draft season, which I think is actually minimal. It sounds like the Giants are at least happy with Smith, so the only way they go get a vet is if Hixon/Manningham are crap in camp and Nicks/Barden look like they are very far away from contributing this year.
Underwood seems like a Tyree/Osgood with more speed to me, but who knows...I generally expect failure from guys who arent hand catchers that seem to fight the ball sometimes. If Britt was more agile or sudden in his breaks and off the line, I might give him more a pass, but he's big/strong/fast at the second level, which means I don't think he'll get as much separation on the short and intermediate stuff either. Being with Titans doesn't help.
thanks for the repliesthis from ask vic had me digging for underwood info: I know what everyone is saying, but do you think the Jags picked according to BAP?Vic: In my opinion, and it is formed from secret information I have acquired from reliable and anonymous sources I would go to jail to protect, the Jaguars absolutely drafted the highest-rated player on their board for every pick except the last one, Tiquan Underwood, who was only a player or two removed from the top spot. Why Underwood? Because the Jaguars wanted him and his speed and he was unlikely to sign with them in free agency after the team had already drafted two wide receivers. It was either draft him or lose him.
NorrisB
Footballguy
I think Id put DHB behind all the tier 2 WRs. He's too risky, and in such a bad environment, not even Randy Moss could succeed there plus he's got really bad hands. I dont think I could see myself taking him that high. Id much rather have a spark plug like harvin than someone in his situation. Next you have Brandon Tate all the way down at 26 and than compare him to Maclin I think Id have him at the top of the 3rd tier WRs ahead of dillard. I dont get why you like cook so much worse than Pettigrew and Beckum, he landed in a better spot and he's a better player, he was drafted ahead of Nelson and Beckum for a reason, why in the world can you like Beckums landing spot over Cooks? I think Id move Nicks down as well, with all those targets in NY, also I think Barden looks like a bargain next to Nicks. Dillard and Thomas should go down as well, I cant picture myself taking them over guys like Massaquoi and Brandon Tate.
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MAC_32
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The top 5 RB's (if you include Shonn Greene too) are several notches above the next group imo, but I don't think any of them are good bets to be future fantasy #1's. That's why I wouldn't be too happy with anyone outside of Moreno, who's one of only two blessed with short term opportunity. The Wells contingent's going to love where he went, for sure, but unless you're on board with him you have your pick of (likely) committee backs and wildcard WR's between 4 and 10ish. Meh.I have the 12 in one draft and 13 + 15 in another, unfortunately I don't have the ammo to move up in the one with the 12 (next pick is 4.03, traded 2nd away already thankfully) but may need to overpay a bit to get in position to get one of Nicks or Harvin. With the 13 and 15 hopefully I can move up far enough to get one of the top 8.
I had a good feeling about DHB already, and the fact that people are so universally slamming him is just making me feel better.Maybe I sure be more bullish on Tate, I'm considering moving him up.Tennessee's passing offense is just not inspiring, and Cook fell because of his character even though he has physical talent that you wouldn't be out of line to call first round quality. I try not to overreact to players falling too much, but I'm worried about a replay of Dominique Byrd.Eli>Kerry + the long term QB sitch in Tennessee is murky at best.Barden just didn't impress him, but there were folks I trust that I talked to at the draft who tried to convince me that he might have been a steal, Im open to moving him up.Honestly part of my moving Beckum up is just respect for the Giants. Beckum can really only a passing target, he's very similar to Keller in that respect. The fact that the Giants decided that a one dimensional pass catcher was worth a third makes me think that he was a 2nd rounder on their board and a guy that they will give a shot to play a bigger role. I am a bit saddened to see that Hixon seems to be on the way out of contention for a big long term role, but he could always play his way into one if Nicks plays his way out of one - of course along with Nicks and Barden. They seem to love Smith, so I see one WR spot up for grabs, and Nicks gets first shot - Barden has to overcome Hixon and Manningham to get that shot - although the drafting of Barden does not seem to reflect well on the org's feelings about Hixon or Manningham, so I might be underrating him. I also believe in Nicks and have liked him the more Ive watched him.The Dillard/Thomas thing has been discussed a little - My evaluations had Dillard and Thomas clearly ahead of Tate and Massaquoi. All we think about right now is draft position, but by August 31 it will matter very little to these teams, except for maybe a token shot for a first rounder to start to save face, but even that is not guaranteed, ask Robert Meachem. What Jacksonville lacks in passing offense, they make up for in immediate opportunity.
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EBF
Footballguy
I'm drinking the Tate Kool-Aid big time. I drafted him at 2.02 in HyperActive 1, traded up to draft him at 2.04 in HyperActive 3, and just reached for him at 9.06 in the HyperActive 4 initial draft. There's a ton of risk there because of his injuries and character, but the talent is hard to ignore. I think he would've been a late first-early second without the knee/weed. I like him more than Robiskie and Massaquoi. I also think he's probably more impressive than Kenny Britt. If he can recover and stay motivated, I see Donald Driver/Derrick Mason potential.If anyone from that 3rd round cluster of WRs is going to emerge as a star, my money is on Tate. The downside is that you'll probably have to wait 2-3 years for an impact. He's a great option if you can stomach the risk though.
Im coming around... I also realized that I overlooked Aaron Brown (should be in the last 10 or 20) and when PJ Hill signed with NO that got him in the 100 even though I dont like him that much. The list is still changing a bit here and there, I'll post an updated list in a week or two once my mind settles and I can process all the post draft comments from the teams.
Caveman_Nick
Footballguy
I like the second round this year, I just think that you need to focus on the LB and WR Depth, and don't be afraid to reach for a DB or a DE, because it's not such a reach.I don't find there to be many WR standouts, and I think the LB class will be the most productive in several drafts. The te's should slide to 3 and 4 because there really are no fantasy studs in the group. Some good corners, and if your league has a CB position (as opposed to a DB position), there are a few player to take advantage of. Gotta out-think people in a draft like this and pick up the gems rather than sit on them for where they "should be" taken.Sigmund Bloom said:
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
He isn't going anywhere near where you have him. And you had him #13 pre draft. Most leagues I've looked at he is going past pick 50 and some he isn't even getting drafted at all in drafts with 60 picks. Have only seen one draft where he went before pick 42. If Daniels doesn't sign an extention he is gone after this season, and he hasn't signed his tender for this season yet.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
I drank your Kool-Aid on Beckum in one dynasty. Pulled the trigger in the 4th round of my rookie draft even though I have Gonzo and Daniels on my roster. I watched footage of him and he catches everything near him. Agree with your assessment overall and assume the Giants plan to use him as an extra pass catcher, lining up wide most of the time. With the competition for catches what it is with the Giants, he could have some good value.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Any update to this before the season starts?
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Gents, Ill try to do something very soon, not official, to sum up the rookies preseason with a new ranking. I have been trying to keep my rankings current, but the new responsibilities Ive had have made it hard to put the necessary time in to keep up with the full 100.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I think he's waiting for DHB to have a good game for the update. You may want to take a seat 'cuz it could be awhile.(I joke because Bloom is probably the best staffer on the entire site)
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Sig, if you have the time, how would you rank the top 10-20 now?
about to publish the top 10 over at draftguys thanks for the patience everyone - i have been engrossed with our newborn - ill be staying home taking care of him so that comes first!
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Congrats Sig!!
Congrats SB!
