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Post-draft impact on IDP rookies (1 Viewer)

Hankmoody

Footballguy
Myles Garrett  
Went where expected so not much change - he should be a stud and likely the first non-LB drafted in most leagues.  Talk to me about balanced scoring leagues, how early is he a candidate?

Solomon Thomas  
Also not much change - guys this good are much more about their talent than their landing spot.  It used to be more of a concern to see DE's go to 3-4 teams but Watt and Bosa have shown that doesn't have to be the case if the skill set is there, and SFO is moving to a 4-3 anyway so Thomas should be a 3 down DE from day one.

Jamal Adams
Another stud that was going to look great pretty much wherever he went.

Marshon Lattimore
Should be a boon for CB-required leages.  A rookie CB against teams playing in a track meet against NOS offense?  Yes please.

Haason Reddick  
Love this fit but I always worry about guys that are good pass rushers, they lose out on a whole lot of chances to make cheap cleanup tackles on screens and TE dumpoffs.

Derek Barnett  
Love this fit.  Guys in this mold are always at risk of being classified as LB's if they end up in a 3-4 system.  I think this guy is going to be the one that overperforms his ADP the most.

Marlon Humphrey
I like this a lot less.  He's playing opposite Jimmy Smith so should get tons of opportunities, but he might actually be their better cover guy and get thrown at less.  Toss in the AFCN's penchant for low scoring and grinding out the clock with the running game and there may not be a lot of opportunities available to him.  I like his talent just fine though.

Jonathan Allen  
Awesome landing spot if the shoulders aren't a problem.  He fell due to health concerns but he went somewhere with no one to steal his stats.  He's a 3 down guy right away that can stack and shed at DE and kick inside to rush the passer.  If he somehow gets classifed as a DT he's a dreamboat in DT-required leagues.

Adoree' Jackson
This is my must-get in return yard leagues.  I'll be way overpaying for him.  He's also playing opposite Logan Ryan, a solid NFL vet, so he should be heavily targeted as well.

Jarrad Davis  
I love the player, and now I love the fit.  A very ordinary Tahir Whitehead posted absurd numbers here last year, I"m drooling over what a stud can do.

Charles Harris  
Another one that dodged the 3-4 bullet.  He'll be a straight up DE and he's an animal.  This is turning into a very big DL draft.

Gareon Conley
Very similar to Humphrey.  With very solid veteran(s) opposite him he's likely to be highly targeted being a rookie CB.  He's really, really good so if he gets 150 passes thrown at him he's going to score 1.3 bajillion points.  Also might end up being the best cover guy on the team from day 1 and they may decide to go elsewhere.  Here's hoping it turns out to be like Marcus Peters that, for some ungodly reason, teams continued to try to test his entire rookie year.  Unfortunately no return skills to compliment him though.

Jabrill Peppers  
Man as a raging Buckeye homer I want to hate this guy, and I think he's probably really overrated based on a lot of the analysis out there, but I'm open to the idea that I may be viewing this with scarlet-colored lenses.  Because if I'm wrong there could be a YUUUUGE payoff.  Return skills, potential offensive usage, maybe 4 down skill-set - someone talk me into drafting this nasty weasel.

Takkarist McKinley  
I went from loving him carrying his gmomma on stage with him to being terrified of him in under 1 minute.  Pretty signifcant medical concerns and a questionable scheme fit.  Don't they already have a 250 lb pass rush specialist?  Hey, maybe he ends up at SAM and they officially move Beasley to DE.

Tre'Davious White  
Plus return skills but not familiar with BUF situation - is Darby any good?  McDermott's system tends to leave CB's out on an island so he could end up getting exposed - his scouting reports indicate he's much more a technician than physical talent - will he even get playing time if so?

Taco Charlton
Another Xichigan guy I would love to hate.  Huge opportunity in DAL for a pass rusher though.  Does he have the high-end talent to take advantage?

T. J. Watt
Man of all teams he could go to it had to be the Stealers.  Great fit for his skill set and fans are going to love him as a football player, but the dreaded 3-4 OLB designation will make him only valuable in big play/balanced scoring leagues.  I'm not in any of those so he's an afterthought for me.

Reuben Foster
Man that must be one shredded shoulder.  I went from having him #7 overall to being very, very scared of him.  I love this fit though so if he can stay on the field he'll be a stud.  Lots of ways for him to miss time though - behavior (thrown out of combine), substance (diluted drug test at combine), shoulder/neck concerns.  This one's going to define a lot of fantasy teams' success or failures.

 
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saintfool

Dead sexy
Rueben Foster

Man that must be one shredded shoulder.  I went from having him #7 overall to being very, very scared of him.  I love this fit though so if he can stay on the field he'll be a stud.  Lots of ways for him to miss time though - behavior (thrown out of combine), substance (diluted drug test at combine), shoulder/neck concerns.  This one's going to define a lot of fantasy teams' success or failures.
i don't think it is the shoulder so much as the combine behavior, the drug test and the weak responses from him. it just spooked a lot of GMs from making the pick in R1.

 

Crippler

IBL Representative
Ranking them

1. Rueben Foster. He is risky but still feel the most talented

2. Jarred Davis. He will be MLB and start

3. Hasson Reddick. Not sure where he will play. Don't blame for going 1

4. Myles Garrett. Cleveland is building a good D

5. ZachCunningham. I like where he landed and his talent

6. Derrick Barnett. De is hard to find. Love the 4-3

7. Raekwon McMillian. Should start out of the gate over Misi

8. Solomon Thomas. Will he be Dt with Buckner and Armstead. Not good feel on him

9. Malik Hooker. Think he will outshine Adams in the end for fantasy purposes

10. Jamal Adams. Right close. S do rank behind lb and De inleagues I have participTed in

11. Charles Harris. Should get shot to do something nice. 

12. Jabril Peppers. Jack of all trades. Will do lots

13. Johnathon Allen. If DT and required

14. Justin Evans. Really nice landing spot

15. Alex Anazolone. Great spot to land if he can stay healthy

16. Taco Charlton. Could be the guy in year one

 

Hankmoody

Footballguy
Day 2 version.  This is going to be a heavy dose of Mayock/other analyst input since I don't watch film for a living and won't have first hand on a lot of these guys.  I won't be doing a Day 3 version, very few players I am familiar with.  I might get excited about a few select names I am up to speed on and post that, but I don't want to do a full page post that looks like it's been mailed in.

Kevin King
Plenty of skill, and any rookie CB that starts or plays a lot will get targeted, so could be a nice get in CB-required leagues.

Malik McDowell
Top 10 physical talent with effort issues.  I'm buying in DT-required leagues because it's not unusual to see 2 point days from starters here and there, but he's capable of putting up a monster much more than many others are.

Budda Baker
A darling of the analysts but I'm torn.  190 lb safeties don't generally make a big impact, but one of the few that have is the guy that occupied Baker's roster spot last year.

Marcus Maye
Most confusing pick of the draft.  They just took the uber stud Adams in round 1 and they follow it up with his wanna-be in Maye.  Great talent, Keanu Neal type of dude, but competing with Adams from day one isn't a good look.  He could have gone to 25 other teams and I'd love him.  Now he's dead to me.

Marcus Williams
FS don't score very well in my leagues but in a more balanced scoring league he's got a real shot.  He's the kind of guy that gets around the ball a lot and that's what you want in a FS.

Sidney Jones
I get the pick given their need but I don't get the pick given their need for immediate help.  He's coming off a blown achilles from March so I'm not sure he's going to see the field before week 8-10 if at all and no telling when he's full speed.  

Quincy Wilson
This is who Philly should have taken, and he's exactly the kind of guy I want on my CB-required teams.  He's good enough he'll start from day one but he's still a rookie and will get targeted based solely on that.  He's also playing opposite Vontae Davis, so he's going to see a bajillion targets.  He's good enough to take advantage of those targets too, he'll make plenty of targets and plenty of plays on the ball.  I'm seeing Marcus Peters (fantasy) potential here.

Tyus Bowser
At first blush looked like a dreaded rush 3-4 OLB designation, but Jeremiah commented about a much more rounded skill set.  My immediate thought went to Hasaan Reddick, then Mayock used those exact words "Hasaan Reddick but not as polished".  The BAL LB group is confusing to me, but after Orr's retirement I am just going to buy them all and see who shakes out.  Correa can be had cheap and so should Bowser.

Ryan Anderson
No clue how they will use this guy.  They love Compton, Foster was ultra-productive, and they just brought in Zach Brown.  But Anderson doesn't project as a pure rush LB either.  He's more of a pure football guy than athlete with good all-around skills.  Gun to my head I think he starts very slow and then once Brown is one-and-done Anderson takes over an inside spot.  I'm guessing someone else is willing to spend a rookie 5th before I am on him.

Justin Evans
Potential sneaker here.  He's that dreaded 200 lb safety, but he's all over the field.  Thier depth chart at S is a mess and I have seen his comparisons all over the place.  Mayock calls him a center fielder so that limits him in my leagues.

DeMarcus Walker
Kind of a tweener, I would have liked him on a 4-3 team more.  He's not going to play LB in a 3-4 but he's only 280 with not a lot of power play on tape.  I think he could have thrived in a SEA or one of those offspring defenses out there but now not only does he have to worry about scheme fit but he gets to watch Von Miller beat him to the QB all day.

Teez Tabor
His film is glorious but his testing was a disaster.  The problem with that is that without recovery speed he's the kind of guy that won't score well in fantasy.  It's one thing when he can use his vision and instincts against college-level QB arms, but in the NFL he's going to get thrown at and WR's are going to separate.  He's gonna get targeted mercilously opposite Slay and I am not sure how he'll hold up.  He won't be on any of my teams.

Raekwon McMillan
I watched all of his games and I thought he was drastically over-rated in college.  He made a bunch of tackles but he also got himself blocked and washed out of plays at an alarming rate.  Analysts weren't overly critical of his tape though, the bigger concern they had was that he's just an ok athlete in space and may not be a 3 down guy.  2 down thumper with potential.  I love drafting Buckeyes, but I think he's got limited upside and I'd rather swing for the fences.  Happy trails.

Dalvin Tomlinson
Huge hole left by Big Hank is filled by a mirror image of him.  Will likely be a solid play in DT-required leagues but he's not an impact pass rusher and likely only a 2 down guy.

Obi Melifonwu
The guy is a gazelle out there.  The problem is he probably isn't a pure anything and may get used more as a swiss army knife.  Not sure he'll get the workload or the tackles needed for a DB in my leagues.  Would love to have another Raider on my teams but he's probably not going to fit.

Zach Cunningham
At first seems like a disappointing landing spot, but Cushing might be breaking down and McKinney is really a 2 down thumper that's forced to play more.  Cunningham may start slow but could be a 3 down guy early on.  This is a great LB class.

Tanoh Kpassagnon
A physical freak with some really bad tape against low level competition.  Good luck with him those of you that draft him.  Hard pass for me.

Chidobe Awuzie
I don't care about this player, I am still stuck on that annoucement at the podium.  "Drew Pearson soaking in the hate, and sssspittin' it back" might be Eisen's greatest line ever.

Josh Jones
Lots of physical talent but  one of the roughest spots for a S to go for fantasy production behind a pair of very young but very established veterans.  It's going to take an injury to Clinton-Dix or Burnett for him to even get on the field.  If he does, they might not ever get him off though.  Probably a good late-rounder to handcuff if you have the roster/taxi space.  Maybe a candidate to be a Big Nickel/Moneybacker transition?

Larry Ogunjobi
I don't know anything about this guy.  Sounds like your typical 3rd rounder - flashes of brilliance but no history of being consistent with it (otherwise would be a first rounder).

Ahkello Witherspoon
Insert standard rookie-CB script here.  At this point in the draft I don't think there's much separation.  If they get the snaps they are gonna get targeted.  How can they hold up?

Dawuane Smoot
Looks to be a situational pass rusher but also has a couple of really young freaky-athlete types ahead of him on the depth chart.  Curious pick IMO.

Jordan Willis
Now we're talking.  Michael Johnson has disappointed for years and Dunlap commands a whole lot of attention by blockers.  Willis is dy-namic getting after the passer.  He may be limited to sub package early but this guy reminds me of Danielle Hunter.

Chris Wormley
I am running out of energy for DT's too, especially one from Up There.  Y'all can have him, whatever he is.

Duke Riley
The Kwon Alexander/Deion Jones comparisons are inevitable, but what kind of meaningful snaps will he get there?  Jones and Campbell didn't grade out well as NFL players, but both were young and inexperienced and should improve with another year.  Their SAM is generally a pass rusher like Beasley and they also drafted McKinnley.  Another weird one and a lost opportunity for the fantasy community.  I'd have loved to see him in a spot with holes like Oakland or PIT/NYJ

Alex Anzalone
Well they have holes at the position, but they have brought in a truckload of people too.  AJ Klein looked like the no-brainer Mike but he's a very average talent, whereas Anzalone is a specimen if he can stay on the field.  Manti T'eo was brought in for a look.  Stephon Anthony was a 1st round pick and looked good as a rookie but pulled a Manti T'eo's girlfriend last year.  Ellerbee is still around because, well just look at the names I just mentioned.  I'm guessing Klein's experience buys him the first crack but Anzalone pushes for playing time early if he stays healthy.  If Klein holds him off maybe Alzalone gets time at Will.

Daeshon Hall
Another very, very interesting matchup.  Charles Johnson keeps holding onto his job and they just shipped Ealy out so there's a huge opportunity.  Hall may have been overshadowed by Garrett and could be better than we think given a shot.  I'm loving him at the right price and expect he's on a bunch of my rosters.

Tim Williams
Huge pass rush talent but pure 3-4 OLB designation.  If you're in a big-play league, get this guy.

Tarell Basham
Sneaky small school guy that went to a terrible spot IMO.  He doesn't have the size to play down in a 3-4 and isn't going to hold up at OLB.  Mayock and Charles Harris loved the player though, so there's that.

Fabian Moreau
CB.  Late riser in draft talk and tore a pec doing the bench at the combine.  Total crap shoot.

Derek Rivers
Like the talent but hard to get excited about any NEP defenders.  That's kind of the nature of DL in general though, and with the low scoring in my leagues it's not like a donut is a death sentence.  I wouldn't bother in a balanced scoring league though.

Eddie Vanderdoes
An absolute beast early in life, but he got hurt and fat and looked awful last year.  If he rebounds to his talent level this was a steal pick and a guy I want on my DT-required rosters.  First round talent when right, but that's a pretty decent sized question at this point.

Shaquille Griffin
A CB I have never heard of.

John Johnson, Jourdan Lewis, Montravius Adams, Cameron Sutton, Delano Hill
5 straight guys I don't know much about and NFL Network didn't talk about being too busy circle-jerking over Drew Pearson.  2 are CB so I can gloss over them easily.  Adams is a Malik McDowell type, with a lot more skill than he consistently put on film.

Cordrea Tankersley
A pretty talented CB that got a lot of critism for selective play, especially effort in the run game.

Rasul Douglas, Brandon Langley
2 CB I don't know.  NFLN guys liked them but that's mostly fluff at this point of the broadcast.

Nazair Jones
Don't know the player.

Trey Hendrickson
This looks like a nice fit.  A pure 4-3 DE goes to a pure 4-3 team with pass rush needs.  Hendrickson was impressive at the Senior Bowl and got a lot of press and his skill set looks like it translates.

 

Hankmoody

Footballguy
Ranking them

1. Rueben Foster. He is risky but still feel the most talented

2. Jarred Davis. He will be MLB and start

3. Hasson Reddick. Not sure where he will play. Don't blame for going 1

4. Myles Garrett. Cleveland is building a good D

5. ZachCunningham. I like where he landed and his talent

6. Derrick Barnett. De is hard to find. Love the 4-3

7. Raekwon McMillian. Should start out of the gate over Misi

8. Solomon Thomas. Will he be Dt with Buckner and Armstead. Not good feel on him

9. Malik Hooker. Think he will outshine Adams in the end for fantasy purposes

10. Jamal Adams. Right close. S do rank behind lb and De inleagues I have participTed in

11. Charles Harris. Should get shot to do something nice. 

12. Jabril Peppers. Jack of all trades. Will do lots

13. Johnathon Allen. If DT and required

14. Justin Evans. Really nice landing spot

15. Alex Anazolone. Great spot to land if he can stay healthy

16. Taco Charlton. Could be the guy in year one
I'll take some time to do rankings.    A couple of comments though:

Soloman Thomas is a pure edge guy.  DE I am very high on.  Was worried he's go to 3-4 team but love the spot now.
Miami did sign Timmons so McMillan may not have a clear path to start right away. 
 

 

Bronco Billy

Footballguy
All the early reports I have seen have Jarrad Davis at OLB, possibly SLB.  Where are you guys getting your MLB reports from?

 

Crippler

IBL Representative
Bronco Billy said:
All the early reports I have seen have Jarrad Davis at OLB, possibly SLB.  Where are you guys getting your MLB reports from?
He might start out there as did read one report but he is 3 down lb and will end up in middle. Whitehead is not that good. He will be a playmaker and could go #1 for many IDP lists. 

Fbg depth charts have him in middle. 

 

Bronco Billy

Footballguy
He might start out there as did read one report but he is 3 down lb and will end up in middle. Whitehead is not that good. He will be a playmaker and could go #1 for many IDP lists. 

Fbg depth charts have him in middle. 


That may be true about Whitehead, but right now DET is starting a ST level player at WLB.  That would at least give Davis value.

 

Dezbelief

Footballguy
Jarrad Davis

 LB DET

16 minutes ago

Davis will play middle linebacker for the Lions according to GM Bob Quinn, Michael Rothstein of ESPN.com reports.

EDGE Analysis

Davis, who was selected 21st overall by the Lions, is expected to be positioned in the middle of Detroit's linebacker corps, with Tahir Whitehead potentially moving over to start on the outside. Davis is an athletic defender and will look to make an impact immediately for the Lions.

 

saintfool

Dead sexy
Riley looks like he'll be starting in ATL, per ESPN:

Quinn talked Thursday about the relentless style and passion McKinley brings to the defense as an edge rusher and a perfect complement to Beasley. Then on Friday, Quinn gushed about having Riley in the fold to help enhance the defense.

"The toughness, the speed that he plays with, fits terrifically into our style," Quinn said. "We clearly know how to feature him in that role. So we're pumped to have him on board. I can wait to get him here and get started with him."

Quinn said Riley "will likely start off" as a weakside linebacker, although the inside linebacker spots in the Falcons' defense are interchangeable. Quinn is all about versatility and getting the best combination on the field. With that in mind, playing Riley alongside former LSU teammate and starting middle linebacker Jones likely would mean a switch to strongside linebacker De'Vondre Campbell, who worked more often at weakside linebacker last season. The trio of Jones, Campbell and Riley certainly would cover a lot of ground. It also would leave open some options in the nickel package in terms of which pair of linebackers plays together, depending on matchups.
preparing to drop Campbell now.

 

Louche

Footballguy
Jarrad Davis

 LB DET

16 minutes ago

Davis will play middle linebacker for the Lions according to GM Bob Quinn, Michael Rothstein of ESPN.com reports.

EDGE Analysis

Davis, who was selected 21st overall by the Lions, is expected to be positioned in the middle of Detroit's linebacker corps, with Tahir Whitehead potentially moving over to start on the outside. Davis is an athletic defender and will look to make an impact immediately for the Lions.
That report was a bit strange as Quinn said in the same interview:

"He's a guy that we feel that can play mike (middle) and will (weak-side) so we’re going to put him in the mix with all the guys we have on the roster and just kind of figure out what’s the best way to use him," Quinn said. "But he definitely has position flexibility."

But in any case his profile is that of a typical three down lb because of his cover skills, and he's going to play WLB or MLB which should make him highly productive regardless of which of those positions he ends up at.

 

Ramblin Wreck

Footballguy
Jonathan Allen  
Awesome landing spot if the shoulders aren't a problem.  He fell due to health concerns but he went somewhere with no one to steal his stats.  He's a 3 down guy right away that can stack and shed at DE and kick inside to rush the passer.  If he somehow gets classifed as a DT he's a dreamboat in DT-required leagues.
Jonathan Allen is going to be a DE not a DT once it all shakes out at MFL.

 

MAC_32

Footballguy
I have Cunningham ranked above Foster.  It doesn't feel right, but I haven't been successful talking myself into changing my mind either.

I have Peppers ranked as the 4th IDP (my league's do return yardage).  I'm not worried about picking him 14th in the league I have picks 14 and 25.  I think I will find someone else at 14 I like enough to not be tempted.  However, in another league I have picks 16, 17, and 28.  I think I am going to have a very hard time talking myself into passing on him at 17.  This also doesn't feel right.

The Cunningham/Foster thing may not be an issue since I don't pick between 4 and 14 in either league and can easily justify a teen pick on Cunningham, but Peppers seems like the Michigan/Browns homer in me is winning.

Also, the idp quality is oozing out of this draft.  That isn't much different than anything you've read over the last several weeks/months, but remember that draft day.  Unless you think a guy is a difference maker just draft offense until there are none left.  Then finish your draft w/idp's.  You may not get your favorites, but you'll still get players you like.

 

Louche

Footballguy
Ranking them

1. Rueben Foster. He is risky but still feel the most talented

2. Jarred Davis. He will be MLB and start

3. Hasson Reddick. Not sure where he will play. Don't blame for going 1

4. Myles Garrett. Cleveland is building a good D

5. ZachCunningham. I like where he landed and his talent

6. Derrick Barnett. De is hard to find. Love the 4-3

7. Raekwon McMillian. Should start out of the gate over Misi

8. Solomon Thomas. Will he be Dt with Buckner and Armstead. Not good feel on him

9. Malik Hooker. Think he will outshine Adams in the end for fantasy purposes

10. Jamal Adams. Right close. S do rank behind lb and De inleagues I have participTed in

11. Charles Harris. Should get shot to do something nice. 

12. Jabril Peppers. Jack of all trades. Will do lots

13. Johnathon Allen. If DT and required

14. Justin Evans. Really nice landing spot

15. Alex Anazolone. Great spot to land if he can stay healthy

16. Taco Charlton. Could be the guy in year one
Been reading up on Cardinals chatter for Haason Reddick...he looks like a very risky IDP pick. Keim and Arians have been talking about him playing immediately in nickel. What this likely means is that he will replace Okafor in their speed rush nickel package (Joker set), where Chandler Jones and Reddick will be outside with Golden and Nkemdiche (or another DE) inside. The Cardinals play 65% nickel but they only used their Joker set for about 25% of plays. The thinking is that Reddick will also back up at both ILB and OLB due to their poor LB depth, and he can potentially also cover TEs in nickel when they want to use Deone at safety. However...this means that Reddick is going to be a poor IDP option in his rookie year unless Dansby or Deone go down with injury and they end up using Reddick at ILB in base.

Looking at it long term the best case scenario would be if they ended up using Reddick at ILB, moving him around in some sub packages...but if he's replacing Dansby I would figure that both Deone and Reddick are more suited to play WILB so I'm not sure if that's a very likely outcome unless they end up parting ways with Deone or moving him back to safety.

Worst case, and possibly more likely, they end up lining Reddick up in base OLB so he becomes more of a pure 3-4 pass-rusher, or even worse he ends up as merely a sub package edge rusher.

He's a very intriguing prospect and the talk of him as a hybrid player for the Cardinals is enticing given how good Mathieu and Deone have been for IDP, but there's a lot of things that need to hit for Reddick to become a strong IDP option. At this point I feel much more comfortable with the more pure WLB/MLB/ILBs in this class.

 

Louche

Footballguy
Also, the idp quality is oozing out of this draft.  That isn't much different than anything you've read over the last several weeks/months, but remember that draft day.  Unless you think a guy is a difference maker just draft offense until there are none left.  Then finish your draft w/idp's.  You may not get your favorites, but you'll still get players you like.
I have to say though that the way the draft turned out was good for IDP. In recent years we've had some good DE classes that's been hurt by too many of those guys going to 3-4 teams. This year most of the rushers in the first couple rounds went to situations where they should be classified as DEs, and a lot of the inside LBs landed in attractive situations.

In the end it all comes down to scoring setup, roster composition, and picking the IDPs at the right time where it makes sense in terms of scoring, need and value. I'm in leagues where I will not take any IDPs until the mid 3rd and I'm in other leagues where I'll consider them in the early 2nd, based on scoring system and the drafting tendency of the league.

 

Hankmoody

Footballguy
That may be true about Whitehead, but right now DET is starting a ST level player at WLB.  That would at least give Davis value.
Not sure if you meant Bellore or someone else, but don't sleep on another rookie, Jared Reeves-Maybin.  He's made to be the WILL in a 4-3.

 

Louche

Footballguy
Not sure if you meant Bellore or someone else, but don't sleep on another rookie, Jared Reeves-Maybin.  He's made to be the WILL in a 4-3.
I think that's their best case scenario, to get Davis and Reeves-Maybin on the field. But if Reeves-Maybin is not ready I'm assuming they'll move Whitehead over to WLB and let Davis run the d. Worrilow should play SLB, but in any case their SLB is not going to get on the field a lot. In their most successful defensive stretch last season they were averaging well under two linebackers per play so very little base, plenty dime, and a ton of nickel. I'm sure they'll increase LB snaps now that they've invested heavily in the position, but their base will be nickel and the ideal scenario would be to get faster, both mentally and physically, by having Davis and Reeves-Maybin out there.

 

massraider

Footballguy
Regarding Jabril Peppers:

You need to think long and hard about a guy designated as a S on your dynasty team getting carries, receptions and return yards.  

 

scothawk

Footballguy
Regarding Jabril Peppers:

You need to think long and hard about a guy designated as a S on your dynasty team getting carries, receptions and return yards.  
And in the short term his team has a poor offense meaning he spends more time on the field.

 

JoeSteeler

Footballguy
Yahoo! Sports' Charles Robinson reports 49ers first-round ILB Reuben Foster was "medically rejected" by some teams due to concerns with his shoulder.
It falls in line with what The Ringer's Mike Lombardi and USA Today's Tom Pelissero have reported in the days since the draft. ESPN's Adam Schefter added to it Wednesday, saying some believe Foster's surgically-repaired shoulder may give out at any moment, while others don't even believe the first surgery fixed the issue. Foster reportedly has problems with his labrum and rotator cuff, possibly in both shoulders.
 
 
 
 

JoeSteeler

Footballguy
Budda Baker listed as CB on MFL.

? ?
Good find!

From rotoworld:

Cardinals traded up with the Bears to select Washington CB Budda Baker with the No. 36 overall pick in the 2017 NFL draft.
Baker (5’10/195) started 41-of-41 games at Washington before turning pro, tallying 13.5 career tackles for loss, five interceptions, four sacks, and three forced fumbles and earning first-team All-America as a 2016 junior. Baker terrorized Pac 12 offenses as a blitzer and erased the slot on passing downs. Often compared to Tyrann Mathieu, Baker compensates for his size with instincts, dynamic play speed, and efficient tackling. He blazed 4.45 at the Combine. Baker projects as a slot corner-free safety hybrid in a playmaking movable-chess-piece role. Arizona has a rich man's version of Baker in Tyrann Mathieu, although that is the Cardinals' "type," and Mathieu has battled persistent injuries. Apr 28 - 7:35 PM
 
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WagesOfZin

Footballguy
I think that's their best case scenario, to get Davis and Reeves-Maybin on the field. But if Reeves-Maybin is not ready I'm assuming they'll move Whitehead over to WLB and let Davis run the d. Worrilow should play SLB, but in any case their SLB is not going to get on the field a lot. In their most successful defensive stretch last season they were averaging well under two linebackers per play so very little base, plenty dime, and a ton of nickel. I'm sure they'll increase LB snaps now that they've invested heavily in the position, but their base will be nickel and the ideal scenario would be to get faster, both mentally and physically, by having Davis and Reeves-Maybin out there.
Whitehead can't cover, which is why he moved over to MIKE from SAM. If Reeves-Maybin isn't ready, I'd keep a close eye on 2nd year LB Antwoine Williams. He's a better fit than Whitehead at WILL

 
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Louche

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Whitehead can't cover, which is why he moved over to MIKE from SAM. If Reeves-Maybin isn't ready, I'd keep a close eye on 2nd year LB Antwoine Williams. He's a better fit than Whitehead at WILL
In recent years the MLBs get targeted in the passing game more than the OLBs, in fact Whitehead lead the league last year being targeted once every 5.3 coverage snaps, so MLB is definitely not a place to hide guys. You are totally right that he was horrible in coverage, but he wasn't strong in the running game either - he got exposed last season at MLB when the talent around him was weaker compared to previous years when he played SLB/WLB and had a stronger line and LBs around him. It was arguably the worst LB unit in the league for parts of the season.

I'm not sure if Williams vs Whitehead is a question of fit, they have both looked good at both SLB and WLB, but Williams might simply be a better player as early as this season, in which case they might cut Whitehead to save $3.5 million in cap space. But 2015 Whitehead was quite a bit better than what we saw last season so I'm sure the Lions are hoping for him to bounce back.

 
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Bronco Billy

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In recent years the MLBs get targeted in the passing game more than the OLBs, in fact Whitehead lead the league last year being targeted once every 5.3 coverage snaps, so MLB is definitely not a place to hide guys. You are totally right that he was horrible in coverage, but he wasn't strong in the running game either - he got exposed last season at MLB when the talent around him was weaker compared to previous years when he played SLB/WLB and had a stronger line and LBs around him. It was arguably the worst LB unit in the league for parts of the season.

I'm not sure if Williams vs Whitehead is a question of fit, they have both looked good at both SLB and WLB, but Williams might simply be a better player as early as this season, in which case they might cut Whitehead to save $3.5 million in cap space. But 2015 Whitehead was quite a bit better than what we saw last season so I'm sure the Lions are hoping for him to bounce back.


Yeah, the more I'm researching the more I am agreeing with this.  Whitehead could well end up being a cap casualty

 

cr8f

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Packers used S Josh Jones at ILB yesterday so he could be used there more this year.

 

MAC_32

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Packers used S Josh Jones at ILB yesterday so he could be used there more this year.
:goodposting:

More concerned about 2018 than 2017 though.  He isn't going to be full time this year.  He may next year.  And if he's getting some snaps at ILB...

 

Bojang0301

Omar4Heisman
MFL hasn't even reclassified Robert Quinn or the Chargers former OLB's. Another change will take place before the season. Just a FYI for anyone's hanging their hat on that.

 

cr8f

Footballguy
:goodposting:

More concerned about 2018 than 2017 though.  He isn't going to be full time this year.  He may next year.  And if he's getting some snaps at ILB..


He played ILB in the first rookie practice so that could be how they saw him. 

 

Hankmoody

Footballguy
MFL hasn't even reclassified Robert Quinn or the Chargers former OLB's. Another change will take place before the season. Just a FYI for anyone's hanging their hat on that.
Rotoworld has Quinn at OLB so that's coming.  LAC play a the Quinn 4-3 which uses SAM LB much like a sub package pass rusher, but they have about 3 guys that might play that role, so I think no one will know until we see them on the field, and that's probably what Roto is waiting for.

 

matttyl

Footballguy
Rotoworld has Quinn at OLB so that's coming.  LAC play a the Quinn 4-3 which uses SAM LB much like a sub package pass rusher, but they have about 3 guys that might play that role, so I think no one will know until we see them on the field, and that's probably what Roto is waiting for.
Yeah, that change happened yesterday.  Any chance that goes back?

 

Hankmoody

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matttyl said:
Yeah, that change happened yesterday.  Any chance that goes back?
Quinn?  Next to zero.  Wade Phillips plays a straight up 3-4 and Roto goes with what they see on the field.

 

-OZ-

Footballguy
Changed back as of today :sadtrombone:
Seems a tossup as to whether being labeled a s or corner is better.   Corners are easy to find and cheap.  S isn't overly difficult either and tend to score a bit more, so if you're just looking at the individual player I can see preferring him to fill a corner slot but viewing it from the perspective of whole lineup or replacement cost it's sort of a positive.  I'd rather he play safety no matter the label. 

 

massraider

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Seems a tossup as to whether being labeled a s or corner is better.   Corners are easy to find and cheap.  S isn't overly difficult either and tend to score a bit more, so if you're just looking at the individual player I can see preferring him to fill a corner slot but viewing it from the perspective of whole lineup or replacement cost it's sort of a positive.  I'd rather he play safety no matter the label. 
Corners are easy to find because they all do the same, very little.  

If I can get S stats at CB, that's a win.  If I can get a CB that returns punts, same thing.  I'm looking for an artificial push to stats at CB.  

BTW, Tyvon Branch still listed as a CB on MFL.  He'll be a late summer pick up for me if it holds.

Anyone know when the TC position designations happen?  That needs to be marked on IDP geeks calender.

 

Hankmoody

Footballguy
Corners are easy to find because they all do the same, very little.  

If I can get S stats at CB, that's a win.  If I can get a CB that returns punts, same thing.  I'm looking for an artificial push to stats at CB.  

BTW, Tyvon Branch still listed as a CB on MFL.  He'll be a late summer pick up for me if it holds.

Anyone know when the TC position designations happen?  That needs to be marked on IDP geeks calender.
Bingo.

Branch would be more interesting if he were any good, but I'm not sure he gets enough snaps to be relevant any more.  He hasn't been over 35 solo tackles since 2008.

 

BigSteelThrill

Footballguy
The blurb from San Frnacisco said Arik Armstead was getting the first shot at the best DL position (RDE/Weakside DE) and not Soloman Thomas.  :mellow:


The 49ers are trying third-year DE Arik Armstead at their "Leo" weak-side pass-rusher position.
It's the position manned by Cliff Avril on the Seahawks, whose defense the 49ers are patterning theirs after. Armstead is an odd fit at 6-foot-7, 292, but new DC Robert Saleh believes he's athletic enough to man the premier pass-rush position in San Francisco's scheme. "He moves well. The concern was that he’s so big and he doesn’t exactly fit the prototype, but he’s so athletic," said Saleh. "He’s so long and he’s got a good first step."
 
 

Hankmoody

Footballguy
Not sure if that's a motivational ploy or what, but I can't see it holding up.  Thomas is made for that role, and Armstead and Buckner are good fits for two of the other three DL spots in that defense.  They just need a 2 gap big boy to plug up the center.

 

-OZ-

Footballguy
Not sure if that's a motivational ploy or what, but I can't see it holding up.  Thomas is made for that role, and Armstead and Buckner are good fits for two of the other three DL spots in that defense.  They just need a 2 gap big boy to plug up the center.
I assume it's just cross training, preparing for injury and to try things out.  Doubt it means much other than maybe some flexibility if the need arises.

 

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