Post Free Agency Draft - You know...for fun. (1 Viewer)

[Andy Dufresne]

Round 1
1. Houston - Blake Bortles - QB - Central Florida
Alt: Jadeveon Clowney - DE - South Carolina

2. St. Louis (from Washington) - Sammy Watkins - WR - Clemson
Alt: Greg Robinson - OT - Auburn

3. Jacksonville - Jadeveon Clowney - DE - South Carolina
Alt: Teddy Bridgewater - QB - Louisville

4. Cleveland - Khalil Mack - OLB - Buffalo
Alt: Mike Evans - WR - Texas A&M

5. Oakland - Mike Evans - WR - Texas A&M
Alt: C.J. Mosley - ILB - Alabama

6. Atlanta - Anthony Barr - OLB - UCLA
Alt: Jake Matthews - OT - Texas A&M

7. Tampa Bay - Teddy Bridgewater - QB - Louisville
Alt: C.J. Mosley - ILB - Alabama

8. Minnesota - Johnny Manziel - QB - Texas A&M
Alt: C.J. Mosley - ILB - Alabama

9. Buffalo - Jake Matthews - OT - Texas A&M
Alt: Hasean Clinton-Dix - S - Alabama

10. Detroit - Hasean Clinton-Dix - S - Alabama
Alt: Marqise Lee - WR - USC

11. Tennessee - Greg Robinson - OT - Auburn
Alt: Louis Nix - DT - Notre Dame

12. NY Giants - Taylor Lewan - OT - Michigan
Alt: Kony Ealy - DE - Missouri

13. St. Louis - Justin Gilbert - CB - Oklahoma St.
Alt: Aaron Donald - DT - Pittsburgh

14. Chicago - Timmy Jernigan - DT - Florida St.
Alt: Calvin Pryor - S - Louisville

15. Pittsburgh - Darqueze Dennard - CB - Michigan St.
Alt: Marqise Lee - WR - USC

16. Dallas - Kony Ealy - DE - Missouri
Alt: Louis Nix - DT - Notre Dame

17. Baltimore - Eric Ebron - TE - North Carolina
Alt: C.J. Mosley - ILB - Alabama

18. NY Jets - Marqise Lee - WR - USC
Alt: Jace Amaro - TE - Texas Tech

19. Miami - C.J. Mosley - ILB - Alabama
Alt: Zack Martin - OT - Notre Dame

20. Arizona - Zack Martin - OT - Notre Dame
Alt: Brandin Cooks - WR - Oregon St.

21. Green Bay - Louis Nix - DT - Notre Dame
Alt: Calvin Pryor - S - Louisville

22. Philadelphia - Brandin Cooks - WR - Oregon St.
Alt: Kyle Van Noy - OLB - B.Y.U.

23. Kansas City - Odell Beckham - WR - L.S.U.
Alt: Xavier Su’a-Filo - OG - UCLA

24. Cincinnati - Ryan Shazier - OLB - Ohio St.
Alt: Cyrus Kouandjio - OT - Alabama

25. San Diego - Jason Verrett - CB - T.C.U.
Alt: Ra'Shede Hageman - DT - Minnesota

26. Cleveland (from Indianapolis) - Derek Carr - QB - Fresno St.
Alt: Bradley Roby - CB - Ohio St.

27. New Orleans - Kyle Fuller - CB - Virginia Tech
Kyle Van Noy - OLB - B.Y.U.

28. Carolina - Xavier Su’a-Filo - OG - UCLA
Alt: Allen Robinson - WR - Penn St.

29. New England - Aaron Donald - DT - Pittsburgh
Alt: Jace Amaro - TE - Texas Tech

30. San Francisco - Stephon Tuitt - DE - Notre Dame
Alt: Kelvin Benjamin - WR - Florida St.

31. Denver - Cyrus Kouandjio - OT - Alabama
Alt: Tre Mason - RB - Auburn

32. Seattle - Jace Amaro - TE - Texas Tech
Alt: Scott Crichton - DE - Oregon St.


Second round. .
33. Houston - Dee Ford - DE - Auburn
34. Washington - Ra'Shede Hageman - DT - Minnesota
35. Cleveland - Carlos Hyde - RB - Ohio St.
36. Oakland - Austin Seferian-Jenkins - TE - Washington
37. Atlanta - Calvin Pryor - S - Louisville
38. Tampa Bay - Allen Robinson - WR - Penn St.
39. Jacksonville - Jimmy Garoppolo - QB - Eastern Illinois
40. Minnesota - Davante Adams - WR - Fresno St.
41. Buffalo - Kelvin Benjamin - WR - Florida St.
42. Tennessee - Kyle Van Noy - OLB - B.Y.U.
43. NY Giants - Dominique Easley - DE - Florida
44. St. Louis - Lamarcus Joyner - S - Florida St.
45. Detroit - Morgan Moses - OT - Virginia
46. Pittsburgh - Donte Moncrief - WR - Ole Miss
47. Dallas - Daniel McCullers - DT - Tennessee
48. Baltimore - Jordan Matthews - WR - Vanderbilt
49. NY Jets - Paul Richardson - WR - Colorado
50. Miami - Antonio Richardson - OT - Tennessee
51. Chicago - Demarcus Lawrence - DE - Boise St.
52. Arizona - Chris Borland - ILB - Wisconsin
53. Green Bay - Ed Reynolds - S - Stanford
54. Philadelphia - Jeremiah Attaochu - OLB - Georgia Tech
55. Cincinnati - Bradley Roby - CB - Ohio St.
56. San Francisco (from Kansas City) - Tre Mason - RB - Auburn
57. San Diego - Gabe Jackson - OG - Mississippi St.
58. New Orleans - Trent Murphy - OLB - Stanford
59. Indianapolis - Weston Richburg - C - Colorado St.
60. Carolina - Jarvis Landry - WR - L.S.U.
61. San Francisco - Pierre Desir - CB - Lindenwood
62. New England - Jack Mewhort - OT - Ohio St.
63. Denver - Kareem Martin - DE - North Carolina
64. Seattle - Carl Bradford - OLB - Arizona St.


David Yankey - OG - Stanford
Lache Seastrunk - RB - Baylor
A.J. McCarron - QB - Alabama
Bishop Sankey - RB - Washington
Marcus Roberson - CB - Florida
Anthony Johnson - DT - L.S.U.
Troy Niklas - TE - Notre Dame
Shayne Skov - ILB - Stanford
Travis Swanson - C - Arkansas
Zach Mettenberger - QB - L.S.U.
Jackson Jeffcoat - DE - Texas
Carl Bradford - OLB - Arizona St.
Trevor Reilly - OLB - Utah
Jeremy Hill - RB - L.S.U.
Keith McGill - CB - Utah
DaQuan Jones - DT - Penn St.
James Hurst - OT - North Carolina
Christian Jones - OLB - Florida St.
Telvin Smith - OLB - Florida St.
Robert Herron - WR - Wyoming
Joel Bitonio - OT - Nevada
Ahmad Dixon - S - Baylor
Kelcy Quarles - DT - South Carolina
Jared Abbrederis - WR - Wisconsin
Billy Turner - OT - North Dakota St.
Marcus Smith - DE - Louisville
Anthony Steen - OG - Alabama
Caraun Reid - DT - Princeton
Craig Loston - S - L.S.U.
E.J. Gaines - CB - Missouri
Deone Bucannon - S - Washington St.
Stanley Jean-Baptiste - CB - Nebraska
Ja'Wuan James - OT - Tennessee
Marcus Martin - C - USC
Dakota Dozier - OT - Furman

 

[Andy Dufresne]

A few different things to think about anyway.

 

[identikit]

Nice work.

 

[jumper]

Beginning of your draft is a bit different than what I imagine - for 1-6 I prefer the alternate for all except CLE taking Mack. After that I think you have most of them dead-bang perfect with the exception that MIA will likely take an OL in the 1st come hell or high water.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Beginning of your draft is a bit different than what I imagine - for 1-6 I prefer the alternate for all except CLE taking Mack. After that I think you have most of them dead-bang perfect with the exception that MIA will likely take an OL in the 1st come hell or high water.

After Miami signed Branden Albert and Shelley Smith it mitigated the need to take an OL in the 1st.

Their LB's were awful last year and they've done nothing to improve the position in free agency.

And Mosley is a stud.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Huh. Must have gone too "by the book."

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Beginning of your draft is a bit different than what I imagine - for 1-6 I prefer the alternate for all except CLE taking Mack. After that I think you have most of them dead-bang perfect with the exception that MIA will likely take an OL in the 1st come hell or high water.

After Miami signed Branden Albert and Shelley Smith it mitigated the need to take an OL in the 1st.

Their LB's were awful last year and they've done nothing to improve the position in free agency.

And Mosley is a stud.

4. Cleveland - Khalil Mack - OLB - Buffalo
Alt: Mike Evans - WR - Texas A&M

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Beginning of your draft is a bit different than what I imagine - for 1-6 I prefer the alternate for all except CLE taking Mack. After that I think you have most of them dead-bang perfect with the exception that MIA will likely take an OL in the 1st come hell or high water.

After Miami signed Branden Albert and Shelley Smith it mitigated the need to take an OL in the 1st.

Their LB's were awful last year and they've done nothing to improve the position in free agency.

And Mosley is a stud.

4. Cleveland - Khalil Mack - OLB - Buffalo
Alt: Mike Evans - WR - Texas A&M

Yes? I was responding to the part he said about Miami.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

3. Jacksonville - Jadeveon Clowney - DE - South Carolina
Alt: Teddy Bridgewater - QB - Louisville

39. Jacksonville - Jimmy Garoppolo - QB - Eastern Illinois

Sign me up.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

3. Jacksonville - Jadeveon Clowney - DE - South Carolina
Alt: Teddy Bridgewater - QB - Louisville

39. Jacksonville - Jimmy Garoppolo - QB - Eastern Illinois

Sign me up.

The Jacksonville staff asked for JG to be added to the Senior Bowl roster.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

3. Jacksonville - Jadeveon Clowney - DE - South Carolina
Alt: Teddy Bridgewater - QB - Louisville

39. Jacksonville - Jimmy Garoppolo - QB - Eastern Illinois

Sign me up.

The Jacksonville staff asked for JG to be added to the Senior Bowl roster.

Yeah, I have to imagine that they are pretty interested in him. I'd be so pleased with these first two picks.

 

[msommer]

I'd think the Titans Brass would be ectatic if they landed Robinson.
Are we expecting Zach Brown to move inside in the 3-4 next to Woodyard?

 

[Spike]

I would be very, very surprised if Garoppolo isn't picked toward the end of the first round as the end result of a traded pick.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'd think the Titans Brass would be ectatic if they landed Robinson.

Are we expecting Zach Brown to move inside in the 3-4 next to Woodyard?

Brown fits best inside.

 

[Donnybrook]

Good work.

IMO Jimmy Ward is more impressive on tape than Ed Reynolds. Did you forget about Ward or do you like Reynolds better?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Good work.

IMO Jimmy Ward is more impressive on tape than Ed Reynolds. Did you forget about Ward or do you like Reynolds better?

No real preference although I think Reynolds has a bit more size.

 

[cstu]

3. Jacksonville - Jadeveon Clowney - DE - South Carolina

Alt: Teddy Bridgewater - QB - Louisville

39. Jacksonville - Jimmy Garoppolo - QB - Eastern Illinois

Sign me up.

The Jacksonville staff asked for JG to be added to the Senior Bowl roster.

Yeah, I have to imagine that they are pretty interested in him. I'd be so pleased with these first two picks.

Except those are the picks the Texas should make.

 

[FUBAR]

I'd think the Titans Brass would be ectatic if they landed Robinson.

Are we expecting Zach Brown to move inside in the 3-4 next to Woodyard?

Brown fits best inside.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Brown replaced at some point (probably when his contract is up), but for now he fits in the middle better than outside.

He is young and should improve, but he wasn't very good this year.

 

[mr fancypants]

I would be very, very surprised if Garoppolo isn't picked toward the end of the first round as the end result of a traded pick.

Agree, but I think the Browns could consider him at #26. Carr won't make it down that far.

 

[mr fancypants]

Beginning of your draft is a bit different than what I imagine - for 1-6 I prefer the alternate for all except CLE taking Mack. After that I think you have most of them dead-bang perfect with the exception that MIA will likely take an OL in the 1st come hell or high water.

After Miami signed Branden Albert and Shelley Smith it mitigated the need to take an OL in the 1st.

Their LB's were awful last year and they've done nothing to improve the position in free agency.

And Mosley is a stud.

4. Cleveland - Khalil Mack - OLB - Buffalo
Alt: Mike Evans - WR - Texas A&M

What's even more perplexing is taking Hyde with the 2nd rounder after signing Ben Tate.

The Browns don't need to be taking backup players that high in the draft.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

3. Jacksonville - Jadeveon Clowney - DE - South Carolina

Alt: Teddy Bridgewater - QB - Louisville

39. Jacksonville - Jimmy Garoppolo - QB - Eastern Illinois

Sign me up.

The Jacksonville staff asked for JG to be added to the Senior Bowl roster.

Yeah, I have to imagine that they are pretty interested in him. I'd be so pleased with these first two picks.

Except those are the picks the Texas should make.

Agreed.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Beginning of your draft is a bit different than what I imagine - for 1-6 I prefer the alternate for all except CLE taking Mack. After that I think you have most of them dead-bang perfect with the exception that MIA will likely take an OL in the 1st come hell or high water.

After Miami signed Branden Albert and Shelley Smith it mitigated the need to take an OL in the 1st.Their LB's were awful last year and they've done nothing to improve the position in free agency.

And Mosley is a stud.

4. Cleveland - Khalil Mack - OLB - BuffaloAlt: Mike Evans - WR - Texas A&M

What's even more perplexing is taking Hyde with the 2nd rounder after signing Ben Tate.

The Browns don't need to be taking backup players that high in the draft.

Argh. Don't know why I'd forgotten about Tate. Although he hasn't been the most durable guy and they have no RB depth...but that spot could be taken by WR or OL.Mack fits just fine in Cleveland as a Von Miller type player.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Looks pretty good to me, but can you really see Pryor dropping to the second?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Looks pretty good to me, but can you really see Pryor dropping to the second?

I dunno. The problem is there's about 40 guys with first round potential this year.

 

[Bob Magaw]

I'd take Watkins and Gilbert (potentially nasty ST with Austin), but don't see Robinson falling to 1.11. He may be better than all three LTs that were gone by 1.4 last year (I get this is a far more stacked draft class).

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'd take Watkins and Gilbert (potentially nasty ST with Austin), but don't see Robinson falling to 1.11. He may be better than all three LTs that were gone by 1.4 last year (I get this is a far more stacked draft class).

I know it, but in this draft scenario, if St. Louis doesn't take him and Jacksonville takes Clowney then Cleveland has Thomas, Oakland just signed Penn, Atlanta shored up their interior and paid Baker bank last year, Tampa just signed Collins, and the Vikings are set at tackle.

I had Buffalo take Matthews first because he's played both sides which would allow them to decide which side to play him and Cordy Glenn on.

Detroit could certainly take Robinson too since they had thought about playing Reiff at guard anyway. And Reiff might be better on the right side.

Lots of scenarios for Robinson.

 

[Village Idiot]

After signing Tate, with the amount of RB's available in this draft, and considering the toher holes not addressed in Free Agency I see no

chance that the Browns take Hyde in round 2.

I'm actually ok with Carr at 26 if he is there then.

Mack or Evans at 4 I don't see happening.

Word is the Browns are interested in Watkins, Robinson or Matthews at 4.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

After signing Tate, with the amount of RB's available in this draft, and considering the toher holes not addressed in Free Agency I see no

chance that the Browns take Hyde in round 2.

I'm actually ok with Carr at 26 if he is there then.

Mack or Evans at 4 I don't see happening.

Word is the Browns are interested in Watkins, Robinson or Matthews at 4.

Yeah, the Hyde thing was a mistake (although I don't think it would be the end of the world if they made it).

In this scenario, Watkins is gone. If he's not in the actual draft, I could absolutely see the Browns taking him. And they should.

Robinson and Matthews are more problematic for me. I don't think you replace Schwartz at right tackle with the #4 pick.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Beginning of your draft is a bit different than what I imagine - for 1-6 I prefer the alternate for all except CLE taking Mack. After that I think you have most of them dead-bang perfect with the exception that MIA will likely take an OL in the 1st come hell or high water.

After Miami signed Branden Albert and Shelley Smith it mitigated the need to take an OL in the 1st.Their LB's were awful last year and they've done nothing to improve the position in free agency.

And Mosley is a stud.

4. Cleveland - Khalil Mack - OLB - BuffaloAlt: Mike Evans - WR - Texas A&M

What's even more perplexing is taking Hyde with the 2nd rounder after signing Ben Tate.

The Browns don't need to be taking backup players that high in the draft.

Argh. Don't know why I'd forgotten about Tate. Although he hasn't been the most durable guy and they have no RB depth...but that spot could be taken by WR or OL.Mack fits just fine in Cleveland as a Von Miller type player.

Its just for fun and I luv Khalil Mack but the Browns are set at OLB with, Jabaal Sheard, Paul Kruger, Quentin Groves, and last year's top-ten pick Barkevious Mingo.

At some point the law of diminishing returns has to kick-in.

The other picks in the top-ten look fine outside of why OT Greg Robinson falls out.

I can see him going 2nd overall. I think he's really good. Reall-REALLY good. HOF type of potential IMHO.

Don't see him falling out of the top-ten.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Beginning of your draft is a bit different than what I imagine - for 1-6 I prefer the alternate for all except CLE taking Mack. After that I think you have most of them dead-bang perfect with the exception that MIA will likely take an OL in the 1st come hell or high water.

After Miami signed Branden Albert and Shelley Smith it mitigated the need to take an OL in the 1st.Their LB's were awful last year and they've done nothing to improve the position in free agency.

And Mosley is a stud.

4. Cleveland - Khalil Mack - OLB - BuffaloAlt: Mike Evans - WR - Texas A&M

What's even more perplexing is taking Hyde with the 2nd rounder after signing Ben Tate.

The Browns don't need to be taking backup players that high in the draft.

Argh. Don't know why I'd forgotten about Tate. Although he hasn't been the most durable guy and they have no RB depth...but that spot could be taken by WR or OL.Mack fits just fine in Cleveland as a Von Miller type player.

Its just for fun and I luv Khalil Mack but the Browns are set at OLB with, Jabaal Sheard, Paul Kruger, Quentin Groves, and last year's top-ten pick Barkevious Mingo.

At some point the law of diminishing returns has to kick-in.

The other picks in the top-ten look fine outside of why OT Greg Robinson falls out.

I can see him going 2nd overall. I think he's really good. Reall-REALLY good. HOF type of potential IMHO.

Don't see him falling out of the top-ten.

Pettine ran a mixed defense in Buffalo but it was primarily a 4-3, which is likely what the Browns will run.

In that case, Sheard and Mingo will play their more natural positions of DE.

Groves only signed a 2 year deal, was hurt for most of year 1, and just generally isn't very good.

Kruger wasn't very good either last year. I'm not sure how he fits now.

But a 4-3 with Sheard/Taylor/Rubin(?)/Mingo up front and Mack/Dansby/??? looks pretty decent.

It's not like the Browns are so totally stacked at defense that they'd have no room for a guy like Mack.

And while it doesn't mean a TON, Pettine did personally attend Mack's pro day.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Greg Robinson does have some warts. While he's a monster run blocker he's only just so-so (at this stage) in pass pro.

The top 10 is really, really hard to crack this year.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Pettine ran a mixed defense in Buffalo but it was primarily a 4-3, which is likely what the Browns will run.


In that case, Sheard and Mingo will play their more natural positions of DE.

Groves only signed a 2 year deal, was hurt for most of year 1, and just generally isn't very good.

Kruger wasn't very good either last year. I'm not sure how he fits now.

But a 4-3 with Sheard/Taylor/Rubin(?)/Mingo up front and Mack/Dansby/??? looks pretty decent.

It's not like the Browns are so totally stacked at defense that they'd have no room for a guy like Mack.

And while it doesn't mean a TON, Pettine did personally attend Mack's pro day.

Its never even been hinted that the Browns would shift from primarily a 3-4 to a 4-3. No reports of this at all.

Also if you look into Pettine's-D it is described as an updated version of Chicago's Buddy Ryan's 46 defense.

One area you may not be aware of is that the Browns are very talented and deep with 3-4 defensive linemen.

Displacing those D-linemen for Sheard-Mingo and taking Khalil Mack who is a better fit as a 3-4 OLB/DE hybrid rather than a 4-3 OLB... It just doesn't fit on a number of levels Andy.

Pettine has stated he's not going to make major changes on defense.

He's got more talent in the front 7 than he had in Buffalo. The only weak spot is the inside linebacker position next to Dansby and finding a 2nd CB to start opposite Joe Haden.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Pettine ran a mixed defense in Buffalo but it was primarily a 4-3, which is likely what the Browns will run.


In that case, Sheard and Mingo will play their more natural positions of DE.

Groves only signed a 2 year deal, was hurt for most of year 1, and just generally isn't very good.

Kruger wasn't very good either last year. I'm not sure how he fits now.

But a 4-3 with Sheard/Taylor/Rubin(?)/Mingo up front and Mack/Dansby/??? looks pretty decent.

It's not like the Browns are so totally stacked at defense that they'd have no room for a guy like Mack.

And while it doesn't mean a TON, Pettine did personally attend Mack's pro day.

Its never even been hinted that the Browns would shift from primarily a 3-4 to a 4-3. No reports of this at all.

Also if you look into Pettine's-D it is described as an updated version of Chicago's Buddy Ryan's 46 defense.

One area you may not be aware of is that the Browns are very talented and deep with 3-4 defensive linemen.

Displacing those D-linemen for Sheard-Mingo and taking Khalil Mack who is a better fit as a 3-4 OLB/DE hybrid rather than a 4-3 OLB... It just doesn't fit on a number of levels Andy.

Pettine has stated he's not going to make major changes on defense.

He's got more talent in the front 7 than he had in Buffalo. The only weak spot is the inside linebacker position next to Dansby and finding a 2nd CB to start opposite Joe Haden.

This is completely untrue.

As is the idea that he has more talent than he had in Buffalo.

I know we have an on/off again relationship here, Bracie. It's your Browns goggles that get to me the most.

Your team sucks. It's sucked since the year it entered the league. It sucked last year with the same sucky players that are on this year's sucky roster.

Saying that you're "set" with the same players that you had last year that got you the #4 pick in the draft is just...well I don't know what it is but it's not smart.

Look, he may not be the pick. Any of the top 40 guys would improve that terrible team. The good news is that they can't get the #4 pick wrong this year. But Mack fits and fits well.

 

[Village Idiot]

After signing Tate, with the amount of RB's available in this draft, and considering the toher holes not addressed in Free Agency I see no

chance that the Browns take Hyde in round 2.

I'm actually ok with Carr at 26 if he is there then.

Mack or Evans at 4 I don't see happening.

Word is the Browns are interested in Watkins, Robinson or Matthews at 4.

Yeah, the Hyde thing was a mistake (although I don't think it would be the end of the world if they made it).

In this scenario, Watkins is gone. If he's not in the actual draft, I could absolutely see the Browns taking him. And they should.

Robinson and Matthews are more problematic for me. I don't think you replace Schwartz at right tackle with the #4 pick.

You go Tackle at 4 if Watkins is gone to fill in 2 positions and get Thomas's successor.

You play Robinson or Matthews initially at RT and move them over to LT eventually.

Schwartz gets moved inside to Guard.

That helps 2 O-line positions with 1 pick and gives you your future LT.

Pick 26 you wither go Carr if he is still there or WR.

2nd round another O-lineman if you feel the need and a good one should still be available there, or a QB if you didn't take Carr and took a WR or a really good ILB feel to you or a good CB.

This draft looks so loaded, I can't wait to watch it.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

After signing Tate, with the amount of RB's available in this draft, and considering the toher holes not addressed in Free Agency I see no

chance that the Browns take Hyde in round 2.

I'm actually ok with Carr at 26 if he is there then.

Mack or Evans at 4 I don't see happening.

Word is the Browns are interested in Watkins, Robinson or Matthews at 4.

Yeah, the Hyde thing was a mistake (although I don't think it would be the end of the world if they made it).

In this scenario, Watkins is gone. If he's not in the actual draft, I could absolutely see the Browns taking him. And they should.

Robinson and Matthews are more problematic for me. I don't think you replace Schwartz at right tackle with the #4 pick.

You go Tackle at 4 if Watkins is gone to fill in 2 positions and get Thomas's successor.

You play Robinson or Matthews initially at RT and move them over to LT eventually.

Schwartz gets moved inside to Guard.

That helps 2 O-line positions with 1 pick and gives you your future LT.

Pick 26 you wither go Carr if he is still there or WR.

2nd round another O-lineman if you feel the need and a good one should still be available there, or a QB if you didn't take Carr and took a WR or a really good ILB feel to you or a good CB.

This draft looks so loaded, I can't wait to watch it.

That works too.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

You're not familiar with the Browns depth on the D-line. The Browns are loaded with talented 3-4 defensive linemen.

Add you're underselling Quentin Groves. I did too before I saw him. He's a very-good pass rusher. In limited snaps he consistently pressed the pocket and I think he was tied with 3rd on the team even though he got injurd early.

It sounds like Pettine has ideas for Mingo.

Kruger was not anything nearly as bad as some believe. He didn't ring up sacks but early in the year before a weakness was discovered, the inside linebackers couldn't cover anyone, the entire defense was rock solid against the run and was applying consistent pressure and Kruger was getting sacks.

D'Qwell Jackson had been slipping the last two years and he stuggled in coverage. Enter Karlos Dansby whose strength is in coverage and he's also a solid pass rusher, not a strength of D'Qwell Jackson either.

Their have been no reports of Pettine changing or leaning to a 4-3 and we simply have a difference of opinion if you think Khalil Mack isn't a perfect fit as a 3-4 OLB/DE.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

You're not familiar with the Browns depth on the D-line. The Browns are loaded with talented 3-4 defensive linemen.

Add you're underselling Quentin Groves. I did too before I saw him. He's a very-good pass rusher. In limited snaps he consistently pressed the pocket and I think he was tied with 3rd on the team even though he got injurd early.

It sounds like Pettine has ideas for Mingo.

Kruger was not anything nearly as bad as some believe. He didn't ring up sacks but early in the year before a weakness was discovered, the inside linebackers couldn't cover anyone, the entire defense was rock solid against the run and was applying consistent pressure and Kruger was getting sacks.

D'Qwell Jackson had been slipping the last two years and he stuggled in coverage. Enter Karlos Dansby whose strength is in coverage and he's also a solid pass rusher, not a strength of D'Qwell Jackson either.

Their have been no reports of Pettine changing or leaning to a 4-3 and we simply have a difference of opinion if you think Khalil Mack isn't a perfect fit as a 3-4 OLB/DE.

I never said that either.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

"Mr. Farmer, why did you bypass what some consider to be the top defensive player in the draft in order to take an _______?"

"Well, you see, we have all these really good 3-4 defensive linemen..."

 

[FUBAR]

I'd take Watkins and Gilbert (potentially nasty ST with Austin), but don't see Robinson falling to 1.11. He may be better than all three LTs that were gone by 1.4 last year (I get this is a far more stacked draft class).

I know it, but in this draft scenario, if St. Louis doesn't take him and Jacksonville takes Clowney then Cleveland has Thomas, Oakland just signed Penn, Atlanta shored up their interior and paid Baker bank last year, Tampa just signed Collins, and the Vikings are set at tackle.

I had Buffalo take Matthews first because he's played both sides which would allow them to decide which side to play him and Cordy Glenn on.

Detroit could certainly take Robinson too since they had thought about playing Reiff at guard anyway. And Reiff might be better on the right side.

Lots of scenarios for Robinson.

Really don't see Penn as a reason to pass on a blue chip LT prospect. Would love to see him in Detroit or Nashville.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Really don't see Penn as a reason to pass on a blue chip LT prospect. Would love to see him in Detroit or Nashville.

Well neither do I but we're talking about Oakland here....the team that is excited to have Matt Schaub so they don't have to draft a QB.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Greg Robinson does have some warts. While he's a monster run blocker he's only just so-so (at this stage) in pass pro.

The top 10 is really, really hard to crack this year.

If he were to go to STL, I'd be concerned if he was forced to play LT immediately, but fortunately with Jake Long and a hole at guard, he could play inside initially like Ogden (who was far more polished), and possibly RT in 2015 depending on what happens with Barksdale, just signed through this year. Long signed for three more years, but it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't see the end of that contract. Which is why the similarly versatile LT Matthews might also make sense (could have Joe Thomas upside). I think STL, CLE and OAK could all be looking at the same LT and WR trio, though Clowney would have to be in the mix if he shockingly gets past JAX, and Mack is a top 3-5 talent (don't see STL taking a LB high, but he looks like a future serial Pro Bowler).

My sense is he is graded extremely high, and the uncertainty about pass pro is priced in to his grade. I have no idea if it is a consensus view, but Daniel Jeremiah (former QB of Brian Quick/Dexter Coakley alma mater Appalachian St., used to be a scout for the Ravens) likes his projection at LT in pass pro due to his elite physical tools and athleticism.

If STL got him at 1.6 (even better, though there are questions about teams wanting to move up in such a loaded draft), the value wouldn't be too out of whack even if he ended up being a Pro Bowl/All Pro guard or RT. There hadn't been a top 10 guard since Ditka took Chris Naeole 1.10 in '97 (and he was the highest drafted in about a decade before him), yet Cooper and Warmack both went in that rarified draft real estate for an interior OL last year (RT Fluker not far behind - 1.11?).

I am admittedly high on him but acknowledge the pass pro risk. He reminds me of Calvin Johnson in a few ways. He may have the most dominant physical tools for his respective position I've ever seen for a LT (Rice and Moss had been the best NFL WRs I'd seen, but I thought Johnson had the most freakish tools), like an Orlando Pace/Larry Allen love child. Also somewhat like Robinson, Johnson came out of a funky scheme. Georgia Tech ran a LOT, so he blocked and ran the the occasional deep route without getting to see him run a full route tree. He still went 1.2 (I think OAK passed on him for JaMarcus Russell - OOF!, but 1.1 WRs are rare, Keyshawn the last one in '96).

But you are right, players sometimes drop further than expected if there aren't good positional fits for the teams drafting high. Perhaps his (expected) positional versatility to be able to play four OL positions, and inside initially if needed ala Ogden and outside on either side can overcome that factor?

 

[Donnybrook]

Really don't see Penn as a reason to pass on a blue chip LT prospect. Would love to see him in Detroit or Nashville.

I agree. Especially since Penn was a consolation prize after they backed out of the deal with Saffold. It makes me believe they will go with Mathews at 5. I have read that there is a pretty significant gap in OT talent after the first 3 are off the board. They might be afraid of the Alabama OT knee to take a chance on him.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The Raiders' GM and coach are both on the hot seat and have been since their day of hire.

They gave Penn 2 years for $9.6 million with $4.2 million guaranteed.

They're not going to double down on the LT spot.

 

[jumper]

Beginning of your draft is a bit different than what I imagine - for 1-6 I prefer the alternate for all except CLE taking Mack. After that I think you have most of them dead-bang perfect with the exception that MIA will likely take an OL in the 1st come hell or high water.

After Miami signed Branden Albert and Shelley Smith it mitigated the need to take an OL in the 1st.

Their LB's were awful last year and they've done nothing to improve the position in free agency.

And Mosley is a stud.

Fair enough. You going to set up another Shark Pool mock draft sometime soon?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Beginning of your draft is a bit different than what I imagine - for 1-6 I prefer the alternate for all except CLE taking Mack. After that I think you have most of them dead-bang perfect with the exception that MIA will likely take an OL in the 1st come hell or high water.

After Miami signed Branden Albert and Shelley Smith it mitigated the need to take an OL in the 1st.

Their LB's were awful last year and they've done nothing to improve the position in free agency.

And Mosley is a stud.

Fair enough. You going to set up another Shark Pool mock draft sometime soon?

In the next couple weeks.

 

[Donnybrook]

The Raiders' GM and coach are both on the hot seat and have been since their day of hire.

They gave Penn 2 years for $9.6 million with $4.2 million guaranteed.

They're not going to double down on the LT spot.

Couldn't they make Penn a RT or a swing tackle.

Not possible does not compute when just last year KC franchised Albert and took fisher #1.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Dennard could also be tempting for STL at 1.13 (if he is there, but in some mocks he drops to the late teens or even low twenties, hard to see that, too, but this is an unusual draft about 40 deep with first round talent because of the underclassmen bumper crop, instead of the usual 20).

Gilbert is taller, faster and brings elite return skills.

Dennard is more physical and maybe a better tackler, if HCD is gone (not Thomas but could play that role to McDond's Chancellor), hope STL takes one of the two CBs. Dennard is scrappy and may remind Fisher of Finnegan. I think by some stat tracking service (PFF or Football Outsiders?) he had the lowest pass yardage yielded average per attempt since they started tracking the stat, maybe since the late '60s? Deion was one of the two next closest. Gilbert no doubt has superior recovery speed and is a plus athlete, but Dennard's athleticism may be underrated. He bettered his jumps at the pro day, significantly in the broad jump (freakish 11'2", just 2" off combine best Seastrunk, and about 38" VJ eclipsed the explosive Gilbert, a reversal from the combine).

* A 1.13 dark horse was mentioned by Baldinger on the PTTD Rams segment Monday, Donald. Not expecting it, but I'd like to see another Fearsome Foursome iteration.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The Raiders' GM and coach are both on the hot seat and have been since their day of hire.

They gave Penn 2 years for $9.6 million with $4.2 million guaranteed.

They're not going to double down on the LT spot.

Couldn't they make Penn a RT or a swing tackle.

Not possible does not compute when just last year KC franchised Albert and took fisher #1.

Possible, but I think they're banking on Menelik Watson playing RT.

 

[Village Idiot]

Andy - Thanks for doing this. It's great to have you here making these threads to generate some conversations and entertain people.

Me i-love you long time even if I disagree with what you post sometimes.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Andy - Thanks for doing this. It's great to have you here making these threads to generate some conversations and entertain people.

Me i-love you long time even if I disagree with what you post sometimes.

Draft time is the most fun time of the NFL calendar.

We all have hope again!!!! Well, except for Raiders fans.