turkishkamel
Footballguy
1. Chris Brown
There has to be others...?
There has to be others...?
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Post the guys that could possibly take Daynes job. (1 Viewer)
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rotorooter
Footballguy
Tj Duckett
SSOG
Moderator
First off, let me start by saying that I absolutely DO NOT believe that Dayne will be losing his job at this point. Just getting that out in the open.
If Dayne *DOES* lose primary RB role, here are the people who I think he will lose it to, listed in order of likelihood.
1. Tatum Bell
2. T.J. Duckett
3. Cedric Cobbs
4. Mike Bell
5. Cecil Sapp
6. Everyone else
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999 (from the "it ain't gonna happen" files). Kevan Barlow
If Dayne *DOES* lose primary RB role, here are the people who I think he will lose it to, listed in order of likelihood.
1. Tatum Bell
2. T.J. Duckett
3. Cedric Cobbs
4. Mike Bell
5. Cecil Sapp
6. Everyone else
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999 (from the "it ain't gonna happen" files). Kevan Barlow
Tiki Barber.
Okay, seriously. Tatum Bell, Cedrick Cobbs, Thomas Jones, Michael Bennett, TJ Duckett, Mike Bell, Cecil Sapp, Marty Johnson, Brandon Miree, Kevan Barlow, William Green.
Okay, seriously. Tatum Bell, Cedrick Cobbs, Thomas Jones, Michael Bennett, TJ Duckett, Mike Bell, Cecil Sapp, Marty Johnson, Brandon Miree, Kevan Barlow, William Green.
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The Football Freak
Footballguy
I wonder if William Green will ever get another serious shot. I always felt some nice skills were being overlooked there.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
The likelihood of any of those trades is very slim IMO. This is just more of fantasy football players wondering "what if" more than anything else. I think that the Broncos feel just fine going to war with Dayne and Bell. I think that they'll split time and whatever back has the hot hand will continue to get the ball. Denver has managed to take loads of RBs and make them look good in their system. Why would they feel the need to trade for a RB now? When have they ever traded for a RB?
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Bronko Nagurski
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I'm going to have to call you on the "tons" part of this statement. Please provide any players that were dealt June 1st or later that were starting RB and the deal was made without an injury that took out the #1 RB for the acquiring team.not if one of them is worth Lelie and/or can be had cheap. There have beens tons of player movement in June during the last 10-20 years or so.
BTW, what ever happened in the past does not mean that the Broncos will not get another RB heading into the season, but at this point put me in the camp that it would be "unlikely."
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Barry Sanders
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
I don't think Sanders would start in Denver. We all see how the next coming of Sanders fared two years ago.
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"tons of player movement"/= starting RBs without an injury taking out the #1 RB for the acquiring teamI'm going to have to call you on the "tons" part of this statement. Please provide any players that were dealt June 1st or later that were starting RB and the deal was made without an injury that took out the #1 RB for the acquiring team.not if one of them is worth Lelie and/or can be had cheap. There have beens tons of player movement in June during the last 10-20 years or so.
BTW, what ever happened in the past does not mean that the Broncos will not get another RB heading into the season, but at this point put me in the camp that it would be "unlikely."
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Me, if I can ever get this knee working again.
videoguy505
Footballguy
Bell, Cobbs, and Maurice Clarett are the most likely, in that order.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
I think we all know that the Broncos will sign Charlie Garner and he'll make his great comeback!
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I'm flying to Denver right now.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
How'd Droughns work out?2001 DET 30-72-2.4-0Clarett?
Mr. Shanahan sure has fallen a long way from Davis,Gary,Portis and Anderson.
2002 DET 4-11-2.8-1
2003 DET 6-14-2.3-0
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Here are the remaining free agents as best that I can tell . . .
Stephen Davis RB UFA CAR
Jonathan Wells RB UFA HOU
LaBrandon Toefield RB RFA JAX
Lamar Gordon RB UFA PHI
Moe Williams (Retired) RB UFA MIN
Tony Hollings RB UFA HOU
Jesse Chatman RB UFA NO
Obafemi Ayanbadejo RB UFA ARI
Daimon Shelton RB UFA BUF
Marc Edwards RB UFA CHI
Ovie Mughelli RB RFA BAL
Aveion Cason RB UFA STL
Chris Massey RB UFA STL
Omar Easy RB UFA OAK
Clarence Farmer RB UFA OAK
Amos Zereoue RB UFA NE
Paul Smith RB UFA DET
Michael Cloud RB UFA NYG
Darian Barnes RB UFA MIA
James Jackson RB UFA ARI
J.R. Redmond RB UFA ARI
Jarrod Baxter RB UFA ARI
Harold Morrow RB UFA ARI
Nick Luchey RB UFA CIN
Steve Bush RB UFA SF
Stephen Davis RB UFA CAR
Jonathan Wells RB UFA HOU
LaBrandon Toefield RB RFA JAX
Lamar Gordon RB UFA PHI
Moe Williams (Retired) RB UFA MIN
Tony Hollings RB UFA HOU
Jesse Chatman RB UFA NO
Obafemi Ayanbadejo RB UFA ARI
Daimon Shelton RB UFA BUF
Marc Edwards RB UFA CHI
Ovie Mughelli RB RFA BAL
Aveion Cason RB UFA STL
Chris Massey RB UFA STL
Omar Easy RB UFA OAK
Clarence Farmer RB UFA OAK
Amos Zereoue RB UFA NE
Paul Smith RB UFA DET
Michael Cloud RB UFA NYG
Darian Barnes RB UFA MIA
James Jackson RB UFA ARI
J.R. Redmond RB UFA ARI
Jarrod Baxter RB UFA ARI
Harold Morrow RB UFA ARI
Nick Luchey RB UFA CIN
Steve Bush RB UFA SF
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I checked, and you're right. I pulled the info off of the free agent tracker, which apparently hasn't ben 100% updated.
SSOG
Moderator
I would say the same thing, except there have been persistant rumors from multiple sources linking Duckett to the Broncos. I'm not sure they actually want him, since they turned down a straight-up Lelie for Duckett swap during the draft, but it's something I'm paying attention to. Unlike the Barlow rumors, these are actually coming from multiple DIFFERENT sources, most of which are pretty credible.
Exactly right. Denver has traded *AWAY* two of its past 3 leading rushers, and cut the third. Denver views RBs as a very fungible position, and will always shuffle off proven performers in order to save money. Trading *FOR* a new RB doesn't make any sense unless he comes dirt cheap.
One name mentioned quickly and overlooked.
Brandon Miree.
Good player, hurt at Pitt when he was coming out. And he's been in Denver a few years.
Anyone who you would gues, has to know the zone blocking system.
It takes a while to figure out. So if the guys comes off FA or a trade it would seem logical it's:
Vernand Morency
Duckett
That's about it.
As bad a Dayne is(and he's bad) he still may be better than those guys.....
Brandon Miree.
Good player, hurt at Pitt when he was coming out. And he's been in Denver a few years.
Anyone who you would gues, has to know the zone blocking system.
It takes a while to figure out. So if the guys comes off FA or a trade it would seem logical it's:
Vernand Morency
Duckett
That's about it.
As bad a Dayne is(and he's bad) he still may be better than those guys.....
turkishkamel
Footballguy
Key Points:
1. 2300 yds. and 20-25 TD's are coming out of Denver RB's combined.
2. A serious threat to Daynes job does not appear to be there.
3. Dayne looked solid last year / Mike Anderson is gone.
4. It's Denver.
5. Bell cannot carry the load and production falls after 10-15 touches.
Dayne carries value, possibly only for one year, but this is his shot.
1200 yds and 12 scores.
1. 2300 yds. and 20-25 TD's are coming out of Denver RB's combined.
2. A serious threat to Daynes job does not appear to be there.
3. Dayne looked solid last year / Mike Anderson is gone.
4. It's Denver.
5. Bell cannot carry the load and production falls after 10-15 touches.
Dayne carries value, possibly only for one year, but this is his shot.
1200 yds and 12 scores.
rzrback77
Footballguy
Maybe Denver could have a beer truck guy try-out?
Seriously, unless they wind up trading Lelie for someone with better credentials, I am starting to believe SSOG and others with the renewed Dayne hype. I just can't see Bell as an every-down back. C Cobbs has loads of talent, but does he have the committment? Who has ever been cut by the Pats to re-surface as a star elsewhere? They usually specialize in the opposite movement, cast-off elsewhere to star in New England.
Seriously, unless they wind up trading Lelie for someone with better credentials, I am starting to believe SSOG and others with the renewed Dayne hype. I just can't see Bell as an every-down back. C Cobbs has loads of talent, but does he have the committment? Who has ever been cut by the Pats to re-surface as a star elsewhere? They usually specialize in the opposite movement, cast-off elsewhere to star in New England.
turkishkamel
Footballguy
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I don't think Law was cut. I think he just walked as a FA. Robbie Gould has done OK in Chi-town and IIRC he was camp fodder for Vinatieri at one point. Jermaine Wiggins, not a star, has done well away from the Pats+Jets, much better IMO. I think he was cut from the Pats but not certain.SSOG what do you say to those that say Cobbs couldn't make a NE team that was screaming for a young back to be Dillon's heir, why would he be an impact player on Denver then?
SSOG
Moderator
I say Reuben Droughns, I say Olandis Gary. Not just offense, either- what about Bertrand Berry? The guy got cut from the Indianapolis Colts, spent a year out of football, got signed to Denver, and either last year or the year before was an All-Pro.The stink of it from New England was that Cobbs got injured and never got a fair chance, and then by the time he got healthy, New England was ready to invest more substantially into a backup for Dillon. However, when he came out, he was a guy that Denver was very high on (they were debating between taking Bell and Cobbs with their second round choice, just to give you an idea of how much they liked him). Further, Shanahan and Bobby Turner have a long history of not only identifying players who are ideal for their system, but also coaching them up better than anyone else in the league.
I also think the New England thing is kind of funny. Some people believe that Bill Bellichick can walk on water and part the seas, but historically, he makes as many personnel mistakes as anyone else. He had a remarkable run of 3 or 4 years where pretty much every decision was a hit, but then again, so did Mike Shanahan from 1996-1998, and people have quickly forgotten about his "personnel wizardry" (his success in a fledgling free agency system pretty much defined free agency for almost a decade, much as Bellichick's success with bargain basement players is currently shaping team philosophies). If you want an example of how Bellichick can screw up personnel matters just like anyone else, go back to the 2001 draft. They selected Richard Seymour and Matt Light with their first two picks (both pick were fantastic selections). They then selected 7 consecutive players who were out of football within 3 years.
Cobbs could be a matter of Bill Bellichick screwing up in personnel evaluation. He could be a matter of Bellichick needing a more naturally gifted runner to succeed in his system than Denver needs. He could also be an example of a guy who gets a lot of hype and then fades into obscurity. Personally, I subscribe to the latter theory. I think two years from now, no one will remember his name- not because he couldn't succeed if given his chance, but just because I don't think he'll ever get the chance. He reminds me a lot of Ahmaad Galloway, another RB who Shanahan absolutely raved over every single offseason but who never became much of anything during the actual season.
you love to pit shanny and BB vs each other and bash BB huh? I'm not so into that but wouldn't mind continuing this debate on some level. Galloway went to SD IIRC and flopped there after playing in NFLE. Shanny also praised Karon Coleman years ago cut him, brought him back to play(lineup as) WR for a week or so, then cut him again. In my experience, Shanny likes to praise lesser known players a little too strongly and he's more genuine with the starters. Almost like "he's laying it on thick." You disagree?
As for the drafting prowess, Denver either doesn't have a single DL they drafted or has one left backup...Emeril? Emervill? that could be cut.
SSOG
Moderator
I'm not trying to bash Bill Bellichick by any stretch of the imagination. I think he's a phenominal coach, easily one of the top 5 in the league, and any franchise would be incredibly lucky to have him. I'm just trying to say that Bellichick isn't nearly as good as his press clippings from the last 3 years would lead you to believe. I remember all too well that those press clippings were saying the EXACT SAME THINGS about Shanahan after his back-to-back superbowls. No one has ever managed to sustain excellence at that level forever, and Bellichick will prove no exception. Eventually he'll have a couple of decent but not spectacular seasons, and everyone will forget all about him and move on to some new wunderboy coach, recognizing Bellichick as a good coach, but no longer as this alien entity that could not possibly make a mistake.I don't mind people saying that Bill Bellichick is a phenominal coach or evaluator of talent. What I have a problem with is people who say "Well, if BELLICHICK couldn't get anything out of him..." as if Bellichick is wholly incapable of erring in judgement, or as if no other coach in the entire league could ever get more from a player than Bellichick could.
I also get bugged when people say "Yeah, I don't really like New England's draft, but I'm going to bump it up a letter grade or two because it's New England, so I'm sure they're smarter than me and I'm just underrating them."
I also don't by any stretch of the imagination mean to say that Shanahan is himself infallable when it comes to player evaluation. Shanahan makes plenty of mistakes. The thing is, most people don't pretend that he doesn't, so I never see the need to point them out. I'm not trying to praise Shanahan, I'm just trying to serve as a voice of reason before everyone gets out of hand with their man-love of Bellichick.
I also don't think that Shanahan "lays it on thick". I fully believe that he is nothing but 100% honest in his evaluations of his players... I just think that these lesser-known backs never get their chance to shine in the system. I think if Ahmaad Galloway had a few key injuries ahead of him, he'd be in the same sentence as Olandis Gary when we talk about Denver RBs.
turkishkamel
Footballguy
Dayne has not had a true shot yet. He is next in line. Any statistical evidence regarding the production decline?
