Post your 2011 Dynasty Start Up Draft (1 Viewer)

[psufans2]

Ya I really think that strategy is a good one to use in the future. In a startup I am currently in I was in the 8 hole and noone fell so I just kept moving on down and am pretty happy with my roster. qb- Bradfordrb-Jstew, Moreno (a couple picks away from greene which would make me much happier), Felixwe-Dez, AJ Green, Stevie Johnson, Crabtreete- Jimmy Graham, Zach Miller (alot of people are not as high on him as I am)So yes I may not be competing this year but I feel I am in a pretty strong place to compete next year and into the future with this roster.

Other than Moreno, I love that roster. Things fall the right way and you may be competing this year and still have a lot of young, high valued guys.

Ya I know tell me about it... I literly traded down like 10 times in the first 5 rounds or so and the last one did me in...if it worked I woulda ended up with Greene instead of Moreno and Finley most likely but I missed it by like 2 spots there was like a 5 pick run where I just sat there and did this. If I had gotten Greene over Moreno I would be even more stoked with this roster. I also agree that if a couple things shake out for me this year I could concievably compete this year but even if I do not I am completely fine with it. I do not expect to make the playoffs but I could sneak in then you never know...I mean someone did tak Collie at like 3.05 or something in it lol.

 

[T with T]

Ya I really think that strategy is a good one to use in the future. In a startup I am currently in I was in the 8 hole and noone fell so I just kept moving on down and am pretty happy with my roster. qb- Bradfordrb-Jstew, Moreno (a couple picks away from greene which would make me much happier), Felixwe-Dez, AJ Green, Stevie Johnson, Crabtreete- Jimmy Graham, Zach Miller (alot of people are not as high on him as I am)So yes I may not be competing this year but I feel I am in a pretty strong place to compete next year and into the future with this roster.

Other than Moreno, I love that roster. Things fall the right way and you may be competing this year and still have a lot of young, high valued guys.

Ya I know tell me about it... I literly traded down like 10 times in the first 5 rounds or so and the last one did me in...if it worked I woulda ended up with Greene instead of Moreno and Finley most likely but I missed it by like 2 spots there was like a 5 pick run where I just sat there and did this. If I had gotten Greene over Moreno I would be even more stoked with this roster. I also agree that if a couple things shake out for me this year I could concievably compete this year but even if I do not I am completely fine with it. I do not expect to make the playoffs but I could sneak in then you never know...I mean someone did tak Collie at like 3.05 or something in it lol.

Greene hasn't showed me anything and I think he could be the biggest bust of the season. He had a meager 2 tds. Knowshon is getting bad credibility now but he is decent if he can stay healthy

 

[T with T]

Here are my first 8 picks.... I traded my 2.9 and 5.4, 12.9 for 1.8(NICKS) 15.8, 25.8 we are in round 10 and here is my roster after 8 picks

Qb: T.Romo

Rb: J. Charles

R.Matthews

M. Leshoure

Wr:

H. Nicks

Desean Jackson

Jon Baldwin

Jacoby Ford

 

[NeverEnough]

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Here are my first 8 picks.... I traded my 2.9 and 5.4, 12.9 for 1.8(NICKS) 15.8, 25.8 we are in round 10 and here is my roster after 8 picksQb: T.RomoRb: J. Charles R.Matthews M. LeshoureWr: H. Nicks Desean Jackson Jon Baldwin Jacoby Ford

What are your starting requirements? Can you start 3 rb? Can you start only 2 wr?

 

[psufans2]

Here are my first 8 picks.... I traded my 2.9 and 5.4, 12.9 for 1.8(NICKS) 15.8, 25.8 we are in round 10 and here is my roster after 8 picksQb: T.RomoRb: J. Charles R.Matthews M. LeshoureWr: H. Nicks Desean Jackson Jon Baldwin Jacoby Ford

GODDDD I HATE U.in same draft my team is as follows...and I was the one who traded 1.08 (Nicks) 15.08 and 25.08 for 2.09 5.04 and 12.04 and have also traded down like 15 other times as well lol.QBBradfordNewtonRBHunter FelixMorenoJStewWRDezRandall CobbCrabtreeA.J. GreenStevieEmmanuelle SandersTEJimmy GrahamZach MillerNot going to compete next year but I am happy where I am at for the following years with my youth.

 

[bengalbuck]

Here are my first 8 picks.... I traded my 2.9 and 5.4, 12.9 for 1.8(NICKS) 15.8, 25.8 we are in round 10 and here is my roster after 8 picksQb: T.RomoRb: J. Charles R.Matthews M. LeshoureWr: H. Nicks Desean Jackson Jon Baldwin Jacoby Ford

GODDDD I HATE U.in same draft my team is as follows...and I was the one who traded 1.08 (Nicks) 15.08 and 25.08 for 2.09 5.04 and 12.04 and have also traded down like 15 other times as well lol.QBBradfordNewtonRBHunter FelixMorenoJStewWRDezRandall CobbCrabtreeA.J. GreenStevieEmmanuelle SandersTEJimmy GrahamZach MillerNot going to compete next year but I am happy where I am at for the following years with my youth.

Both of those teams look pretty good. T is obviously more formidable right now, but if AJ Green, Dez, Bradford and Jimmy Graham pan out, this team will be loaded also.

 

[psufans2]

Here are my first 8 picks.... I traded my 2.9 and 5.4, 12.9 for 1.8(NICKS) 15.8, 25.8 we are in round 10 and here is my roster after 8 picksQb: T.RomoRb: J. Charles R.Matthews M. LeshoureWr: H. Nicks Desean Jackson Jon Baldwin Jacoby Ford

GODDDD I HATE U.in same draft my team is as follows...and I was the one who traded 1.08 (Nicks) 15.08 and 25.08 for 2.09 5.04 and 12.04 and have also traded down like 15 other times as well lol.QBBradfordNewtonRBHunter FelixMorenoJStewWRDezRandall CobbCrabtreeA.J. GreenStevieEmmanuelle SandersTEJimmy GrahamZach MillerNot going to compete next year but I am happy where I am at for the following years with my youth.

Both of those teams look pretty good. T is obviously more formidable right now, but if AJ Green, Dez, Bradford and Jimmy Graham pan out, this team will be loaded also.

Yea it was just sort of the way that the draft ended up happening to me that I had to go young and as you said if most of my guys pan out I will be stacked in 2-3 years.

 

[psufans2]

Also TWT got DJax and Romo gift wrapped to him lol

 

[doowain]

If anyone is interested, I'm open to talking a bit about my strategy...now that my two startups are done this year. First a brief overview of my strategy and then a look at one of my drafts.

I go for the ideal situation when approaching a startup dynasty. For me, ideal is going with a roster that is both young and can compete for championships now. This is a tricky approach as if you miss on a couple guys, you can fall flat on your face. Over the last few years I've tweaked my plan as I have found it will never be perfect. Things change too much and too fast. One thing I've avoided in the past has been trading value NOW for FUTURE rookie picks. I never looked to acquire rookie picks. I used to even go the opposite direction and trade away my future 1sts to move up in the startup draft. I've seen the downside of that practice and will NEVER again trade my future 1sts during the draft. So much can change or go wrong during the first year that you NEED that crutch in Year 2. You can have all the plans in the world, but things happen that are out of your control. No reason to handicap yourself further.

The other side of my plan is to draft on value. Best player available. Which player...at this spot....has the most trade value. Why should I take my RB2 here when the WRs left have more trade value? Makes no sense. Take that WR. I will not look to fulfill my starting requirements during the draft by sacrificing value. Now, of course, there are limitations to that practice. Tom Brady may be the best value at my pick in Round 6, but I already took Aaron Rodgers in the early 2nd, so no way I take 2 QBs in my 1st 6 picks. The point is...it's a dynasty league, not redraft. Draft each player as if you want to trade them. That's how I look at it anyway. Dynasty is a marathon.

I've found that the best way to attack this plan is to get as many 2nd-5th round picks as possible. That means trading out of the 1st. This year is a strange year as that Tier 1 group of players is about 8 deep, with no true #1 overall pick. So, this year you can probably move that 1.06-1.08 pick for more value than in years past. I will only move my 1st back to a 2nd or 3rd. The ideal situation is to the 2nd and then if need be, move it back to the 3rd in order to move your 6th-9th round picks up.

I could go on and on about this.

This league starts 1QB/2RB/3WR/1TE/1FLEX(RB/WR/TE) and is 0.75/1/1.25 PPR for RB/WR/TE. 5 pts for passing TDs.

First my major transactions:

Gave 1.07/7.07

Got 2.08/4.08

Gave 2.06/8.06

Got 3.06/5.06

Gave 3.06/4.06/6.06/9.07

Got 2.06/4.07/8.03/9.10 (different team than one above)

Gave 5.06/5.07/11.07/13.07

Got 7.07/7.10/8.06/12.07/TWO 2012 1sts

Gave Mike Wallace

Got AJ Green/2012 1st

Gave 7.07/12.11

Got 9.02/14.03/2012 1st

This left me with 2.06/2.08/3.07/4.07/4.08 with my 1st 5 picks and I was able to pick up 5 2012 1st rounders.

My final roster:

QB: Schaub/Tebow/McNabb/Henne

RB: Felix/Vereen/Choice/DLewis/AGreen/Bradford

WR: Austin/AJGreen/DeSean/Percy/Crabtree/Avery/Ocho/Murphy/Pettis

TE: Miller(OAK)/Hernandez/Kendricks

5 2012 1sts (1 of which has to be the current front runner for #1 overall)

Now, I doubt my team looks like this in a few months as I will be looking to make moves. I doubt I take all 5 rookie picks into next offseason. We'll see

I know my draft strategy isn't shared by a lot around here, but I figured I'd offer up a different view.

 

[psufans2]

No I like that draft strategy. When I go into startups my strategy is also the same. I also go into it with the idea that if I decide my team will not quite compete this year that I go completley young (like my team above). I am alwyas an advocate of trading down and absolutely hateeeeeee trading up and or reaching for players in drafts. It is not uncommon for me to not even pick within the top 20 of a given draft.

 

[psufans2]

Also I would be interested in talking the strategy tomorrow during the day if you are interested in that I will have a lot more free time tomorrow.

 

[Touchdown There]

5 2012 1sts (1 of which has to be the current front runner for #1 overall)

Post the roster of the team you think will finish last in this startup.

 

[imagroid]

I know my draft strategy isn't shared by a lot around here, but I figured I'd offer up a different view.

Actually it seems to me that acquiring future 1sts and drafting junk at RB is the current vogue dynasty start-up strategy. Given the variance in FFB, foregoing an entire season doesn't seem optimal. You made some solid trades though, I would just prefer to draft players with those picks and maybe pick up a future 1st. Rather have Wallace too imo.

5 2012 1sts (1 of which has to be the current front runner for #1 overall)

Post the roster of the team you think will finish last in this startup.

I think he already did.

 

[Instinctive]

Yeah, the way that dynasty startups are going lately, it seems like just going with a balanced attack and drafting BPA or even going full on to try and win right out of the gate is going to be a really strong strategy.

I'm in a startup right now, and I'm eschewing the "forsaken first season" strategy for a straight BPA, screw age. I think guys like SJax and DWill and maybe some others are going to be some solid pickups for that type of team. Going BPA and just filling out a starting lineup slot whenever they coincide seems like it is gonna work really well.

 

[bengalbuck]

Interesting post with regard to strategy. I took a somewhat similar approach to my startup this year in that I definitely tried to put together a competitive team for year 1, but also moved up and down and drafted with the clear intent of putting together the youngest team possible. The strategy was perhaps a little easier to pull off because the rookie/devy draft was separate from the initial startup which was veteran only. So most of my trades were down in the veteran draft in exchange for moving up in the rookie draft.

I also differed from many in that I did not want to trade down in the 1st round. I actually traded up to secure another 1st rounder. In addition, I did not take a bunch of WRs early as seems to be the en vogue thing to do. I instead wanted to lockup 2 good young RBs and worry about WR later due to the fact that I think potentially having 2 of the top 8 or so RBs will be where I look to have an advantage over most teams.

It's a 12 team 1 ppr (1.5 ppr TEs), with 1QB/2RB/3WR/1TE/1Flex. I won't post all my backups, but here's the core of the team I assembled:

QB-Drew Brees

RB-LeSean McCoy, Darren McFadden

WR-AJ Green, Julio Jones, Mike Williams (TB), Santonio Holmes, Jacoby Ford

TE-Jimmy Graham, Aaron Hernandez

I'm definitely not a favorite this year, but I think I'm middle of the pack at least and with the exception of Brees (32) and Holmes (27), my entire core group of guys is 24 or younger.

 

[T with T]

Here are my first 8 picks.... I traded my 2.9 and 5.4, 12.9 for 1.8(NICKS) 15.8, 25.8 we are in round 10 and here is my roster after 8 picksQb: T.RomoRb: J. Charles R.Matthews M. LeshoureWr: H. Nicks Desean Jackson Jon Baldwin Jacoby Ford

What are your starting requirements? Can you start 3 rb? Can you start only 2 wr?

you can start 2 rb and 4 wr or 3 rb 3 wr....

 

[Touchdown There]

5 2012 1sts (1 of which has to be the current front runner for #1 overall)

Post the roster of the team you think will finish last in this startup.

I think he already did.

Did he really mean his own draft?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Here are my first 8 picks.... I traded my 2.9 and 5.4, 12.9 for 1.8(NICKS) 15.8, 25.8 we are in round 10 and here is my roster after 8 picksQb: T.RomoRb: J. Charles R.Matthews M. LeshoureWr: H. Nicks Desean Jackson Jon Baldwin Jacoby Ford

What are your starting requirements? Can you start 3 rb? Can you start only 2 wr?

you can start 2 rb and 4 wr or 3 rb 3 wr....

I like your draft so far.. You'll be looking for some veteran depth late I imagine, some of those guys are great prospects but yet to truly break out. Age is definitely on your side though.

 

[bengalbuck]

5 2012 1sts (1 of which has to be the current front runner for #1 overall)

Post the roster of the team you think will finish last in this startup.

I think he already did.

Did he really mean his own draft?

No, he said he put together a team that can compete for championships now...I like the strategy but I don't know about the execution. Build a young squad, gather some future picks and still try to win now. I'm with you guys though in that he didn't actually accomplish the "win now" part of the equation. Counting on Felix Jones as your #1, Vereen as your #2 and Tashard Choice as your #3 and a guy who is going to be in your lineup semi-regularly just doesn't cut it. He has some ammo to try to make some mid-season trades for RBs, but he is going to have to make moves because the current roster won't win many games. He might actually be better off at this point tanking on 2011 and stockpiling young guys.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

If anyone is interested, I'm open to talking a bit about my strategy...now that my two startups are done this year. First a brief overview of my strategy and then a look at one of my drafts.I go for the ideal situation when approaching a startup dynasty. For me, ideal is going with a roster that is both young and can compete for championships now. This is a tricky approach as if you miss on a couple guys, you can fall flat on your face. Over the last few years I've tweaked my plan as I have found it will never be perfect. Things change too much and too fast. One thing I've avoided in the past has been trading value NOW for FUTURE rookie picks. I never looked to acquire rookie picks. I used to even go the opposite direction and trade away my future 1sts to move up in the startup draft. I've seen the downside of that practice and will NEVER again trade my future 1sts during the draft. So much can change or go wrong during the first year that you NEED that crutch in Year 2. You can have all the plans in the world, but things happen that are out of your control. No reason to handicap yourself further.The other side of my plan is to draft on value. Best player available. Which player...at this spot....has the most trade value. Why should I take my RB2 here when the WRs left have more trade value? Makes no sense. Take that WR. I will not look to fulfill my starting requirements during the draft by sacrificing value. Now, of course, there are limitations to that practice. Tom Brady may be the best value at my pick in Round 6, but I already took Aaron Rodgers in the early 2nd, so no way I take 2 QBs in my 1st 6 picks. The point is...it's a dynasty league, not redraft. Draft each player as if you want to trade them. That's how I look at it anyway. Dynasty is a marathon.I've found that the best way to attack this plan is to get as many 2nd-5th round picks as possible. That means trading out of the 1st. This year is a strange year as that Tier 1 group of players is about 8 deep, with no true #1 overall pick. So, this year you can probably move that 1.06-1.08 pick for more value than in years past. I will only move my 1st back to a 2nd or 3rd. The ideal situation is to the 2nd and then if need be, move it back to the 3rd in order to move your 6th-9th round picks up.I could go on and on about this.This league starts 1QB/2RB/3WR/1TE/1FLEX(RB/WR/TE) and is 0.75/1/1.25 PPR for RB/WR/TE. 5 pts for passing TDs.First my major transactions:Gave 1.07/7.07Got 2.08/4.08Gave 2.06/8.06Got 3.06/5.06Gave 3.06/4.06/6.06/9.07Got 2.06/4.07/8.03/9.10 (different team than one above)Gave 5.06/5.07/11.07/13.07Got 7.07/7.10/8.06/12.07/TWO 2012 1stsGave Mike WallaceGot AJ Green/2012 1stGave 7.07/12.11Got 9.02/14.03/2012 1stThis left me with 2.06/2.08/3.07/4.07/4.08 with my 1st 5 picks and I was able to pick up 5 2012 1st rounders.My final roster:QB: Schaub/Tebow/McNabb/HenneRB: Felix/Vereen/Choice/DLewis/AGreen/BradfordWR: Austin/AJGreen/DeSean/Percy/Crabtree/Avery/Ocho/Murphy/PettisTE: Miller(OAK)/Hernandez/Kendricks5 2012 1sts (1 of which has to be the current front runner for #1 overall)Now, I doubt my team looks like this in a few months as I will be looking to make moves. I doubt I take all 5 rookie picks into next offseason. We'll see I know my draft strategy isn't shared by a lot around here, but I figured I'd offer up a different view.

That team promises you a top 6 rookie pick.. silver lining glass.. half full response..

 

[doowain]

I think you all are reading into things a bit much. I said that was my strategy going in. If I spelled out everything, an already too long post would've doubled.

Looking at my team, I know it's not going to win a championship as it sits. I know that. I stated my usual strategy. I clearly had to alter that strategy in this draft. A couple things changed. I went WR heavy because there was a run on RBs early that I haven't seen since 2003. Also, I never went into the draft with the intention to come out with 5 2012 1sts. I adjusted to the draft and came out with what I felt was the best possible scenario for me. I'm a very active trader. When I said that I draft "a roster that is both young and can compete for championships now", I wasn't giving all of the options. There are two sides to that statement. Ideally, I draft my team NOW that I will see through to the championship and be competitive for years to come. Unfortunately, unless you play with a bunch of chumps, that just doesn't happen. So you adjust. I drafted a team full of what I see as valuable trade assets. Sure, Felix is my RB1. And Vereen my RB2. With the WRs I drafted and the picks I own, I shouldn't have any issues acquiring a true RB1. The point that seems to get lost on a lot of people in a startup is that the team you draft, doesn't have to be the team you take to Week 1. Or Week 10...or Year 2.

The draft I posted was clearly a variation of my ideal strategy, but it's one that could work just as well.

And for the record, I don't see myself as the frontrunner for 1.01. I'd gladly accept it, but I don't see it going that way.

 

[Touchdown There]

And for the record, I don't see myself as the frontrunner for 1.01. I'd gladly accept it, but I don't see it going that way.

Post the roster of the startup that is vying for the 1.01 rookie 2012 pick if you can.

 

[doowain]

And for the record, I don't see myself as the frontrunner for 1.01. I'd gladly accept it, but I don't see it going that way.

Post the roster of the startup that is vying for the 1.01 rookie 2012 pick if you can.

As a courtesy to the owner, I won't post it here. If you'd like it, PM me.

 

[psufans2]

LOL I take it they post on here and do not agree that they are the worst lol.

Also I agree with you. You went into the draft planning to build a young team to compete now and as the draft flowed realized that was not really possible and then altered to young team that can be veryyyyy good in the near future. Like you said with 5 firsts adn your WRs you could very well move and aquire pieces and you could also sit on it and bomb a year and help you more next year so you are in a very good position.

 

[Touchdown There]

LOL I take it they post on here and do not agree that they are the worst lol.Also I agree with you. You went into the draft planning to build a young team to compete now and as the draft flowed realized that was not really possible and then altered to young team that can be veryyyyy good in the near future. Like you said with 5 firsts adn your WRs you could very well move and aquire pieces and you could also sit on it and bomb a year and help you more next year so you are in a very good position.

doowain is too nice so he PM'ed the roster to me and I will post it. He is right, this guys teams is terrible:Manning, Peyton IND QB - 11 Rodgers, Aaron GBP QB - 8 Vick, Michael PHI QB - 7 Barber, Marion DAL RB - 5 Harrison, Jerome PHI RB - 7 Hillis, Peyton CLE RB - 5 Leshoure, Mikel DET RB - 9 Mathews, Ryan SDC RB - 6 Slaton, Steve HOU RB - 11 Smith, Kevin DET RB - 9 Tolbert, Mike SDC RB - 6 Ajirotutu, Seyi SDC WR - 6 Floyd, Malcom SDC WR - 6 Moss, Santana WAS WR - 5 Nelson, Jordy GBP WR - 8 Obomanu, Ben SEA WR - 6 Simpson, Jerome CIN WR - 7 Lewis, Marcedes JAC TE - 9 Witten, Jason DAL TE - 5 Kaeding, Nate SDC PK - 6 Jets, New York NYJ Def - 8 Packers, Green Bay GBP - 8 22 Total PlayersTaxi SquadSmith, Alex SFO QB - 7 Dickerson, Dorin HOU WR - 11

 

[Instinctive]

Dude...you ought to know better than to do something like that.

He PM'd me too and I had the good sense not to violate his wishes that it not be posted.

And it does suck. Best QB corps of any league I'm in though.

 

[imagroid]

Wow, so not cool. Is that roster really a lock for 1st pick? Trade one of those qbs for a wr and I see it at least competing.

Doowain, this strategy seems more optimal if u "go all in" on it. Meaning u just forget this season and wait for '12 drafts to approach and trade all your picks. I don't see u getting enough value outta those future picks before the '11 season starts. agree or disagree?

 

[Touchdown There]

Dude...you ought to know better than to do something like that.

Not everyone is a nice guy. There has to be bad guys so that the good guys have someone to fight. Didn't you watch cartoons growing up? Let's break it down a little:Manning, Peyton IND QB - 11Rodgers, Aaron GBP QB - 8Vick, Michael PHI QB - 7Barber, Marion DAL RB - 5Harrison, Jerome PHI RB - 7Hillis, Peyton CLE RB - 5Leshoure, Mikel DET RB - 9Mathews, Ryan SDC RB - 6Slaton, Steve HOU RB - 11Smith, Kevin DET RB - 9Tolbert, Mike SDC RB - 6Ajirotutu, Seyi SDC WR - 6Floyd, Malcom SDC WR - 6Moss, Santana WAS WR - 5Nelson, Jordy GBP WR - 8Obomanu, Ben SEA WR - 6Simpson, Jerome CIN WR - 7Lewis, Marcedes JAC TE - 9Witten, Jason DAL TE - 5Kaeding, Nate SDC PK - 6Jets, New York NYJ Def - 8Packers, Green Bay GBP - 822 Total PlayersTaxi SquadSmith, Alex SFO QB - 7Dickerson, Dorin HOU WR - 11 So clearly, #1 QB core. Top kicker, no need to discuss kickers anyway. Witten has years of solid reliable production. Marcedes Lewis needs to prove himself for another year to convince dynasty owners he is not just a 1 year TD guy. Top 2 of 3 defenses. This leaves RB and WR.Barber, Marion DAL RB - Free agent play.Harrison, Jerome PHI RB - Free agent play.Hillis, Peyton CLE RB - Projections are bi-polar. FBG's average is at #11 rb for 2011. Draft results show Hillis was picked at 5.04 in the draft.Leshoure, Mikel DET RB - If Best goes down or is slowed Leshoure is the play.Mathews, Ryan SDC RB - Check Waldman's thread on emerging players.Slaton, Steve HOU RB - Trade bait for Houston, long shot to produce any fantasy relevance.Smith, Kevin DET RB - Free agent play.Tolbert, Mike SDC RB - If Mathews goes down or is slowed, Tolbert is the play. SD running game locked down.As for WR:Ajirotutu, Seyi SDC WR - 6Floyd, Malcom SDC WR - 6Moss, Santana WAS WR - 5Nelson, Jordy GBP WR - 8Obomanu, Ben SEA WR - 6Simpson, Jerome CIN WR - 7This is where it gets interesting. Some long shots here. What are the chances a QB is traded for a monster WR?

 

[doowain]

Wow, so not cool. Is that roster really a lock for 1st pick? Trade one of those qbs for a wr and I see it at least competing.Doowain, this strategy seems more optimal if u "go all in" on it. Meaning u just forget this season and wait for '12 drafts to approach and trade all your picks. I don't see u getting enough value outta those future picks before the '11 season starts. agree or disagree?

I apologize. I thought it went without saying that he shouldn't post it if I PMed it to him. Not cool.A lock, no. But you have to understand. You saw immediately that he needs to trade at least one and most likely two of those QBs to compete. Well, so did/does everyone else in our league. How does he expect to get even close to market value for the QBs if we all know he HAS to trade them? I think it's near impossible.I've considered going "all in" on it. If I hit about Week 4 and I'm 0-4 and can't acquire a RB, then I'll probably go that way.I don't foresee any issues with moving those 1sts. You may be right though. I may have to wait until after this season to get full value. If that's what I have to do, that's what I'll do.I have options. That's what the strategy allows. You aren't backed into a corner.

 

[psufans2]

LOL I can not believe you did that wow. I mean its funny cuz Doowain obviously not screwed completely over it and is not that pissed but my god I cant believe that lol.

Yea I had someone draft qbs like that in a dispersal and the other teams in the dispersal lold at him then he tried to trade them and we were like...ummmm bro u are screwed. I just do not get that idea at all.

 

[Touchdown There]

How does he expect to get even close to market value for the QBs if we all know he HAS to trade them?I have options. That's what the strategy allows. You aren't backed into a corner.

I hear what you are saying. However, I am just wondering if this team "HAS to trade them" to compete. Let's say that this owner will not trade one of his top dynasty QBs for anything less than premium value and he gets no trade partners. How does the rest of the roster look at each position.There are other ways to improve a team besides trade, such as waivers. What is the waiver situation?

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Probably the best work I've done with a startup team (okay...it's my first startup but it's better than I've managed with my orphan team.

Through various trades pre-draft, mid-draft, and post-draft, in a startup with rookies included, here's my roster now. Had five 2012 1sts at one point, and have been able to flip them and some young talent for studs. It was either that, or hope one of the 1sts was #1 overall and hope to strike gold with Trent Richardson...so I went another way and acquired proven guys. and though I got some good deals, added altogether I'm loving this starting lineup:

PPR, QB RB RB WR WR TE RB/WR WR/TE. (so, can start 4 WR's) passing TD's 4 points.

Stafford

Chris Johnson, Beanie Wells

Calvin Johnson, Hakeem Nicks, Mike Wallace, Miles Austin

Jermichael Finley

Initial draft went like this:

1. Calvin

2. Wallace

3. Austin

3. Finley

6. LeShoure

7. Wells

8. Stafford

Etc.

Traded down a bunch (picked up extra 3rd by trading from 1.2 to 1.6 and taking Megatron) (didn't pick between 3 and 6 because I kept trading down for 2012 1sts----ended up with FIVE 2012 1sts!)

Traded LeShoure, Salas, Kendricks, three 2012 1sts for Chris Johnson and Sidney Rice (steal, I know--guys already rebuilding)

Traded Sidney Rice, Jacoby Ford, two remaining 2012 1sts (one likely high) for Hakeem Nicks.

Another great trade for me, with another owner who covets 1sts.

So, I know that many aren't in leagues where 1sts are valued this highly, but I'd think that this is the ideal scenario for anyone who isn't planning on using them, but flipping them for young studs. I'm VERY happy with the outcome, and I'm fully aware that's it's basically a best-case scenario that can't be expected.

Just thought I'd share what I've been able to pull off the last couple days.

 

[psufans2]

Dude...you ought to know better than to do something like that.

Not everyone is a nice guy. There has to be bad guys so that the good guys have someone to fight. Didn't you watch cartoons growing up? Let's break it down a little:Manning, Peyton IND QB - 11Rodgers, Aaron GBP QB - 8Vick, Michael PHI QB - 7Barber, Marion DAL RB - 5Harrison, Jerome PHI RB - 7Hillis, Peyton CLE RB - 5Leshoure, Mikel DET RB - 9Mathews, Ryan SDC RB - 6Slaton, Steve HOU RB - 11Smith, Kevin DET RB - 9Tolbert, Mike SDC RB - 6Ajirotutu, Seyi SDC WR - 6Floyd, Malcom SDC WR - 6Moss, Santana WAS WR - 5Nelson, Jordy GBP WR - 8Obomanu, Ben SEA WR - 6Simpson, Jerome CIN WR - 7Lewis, Marcedes JAC TE - 9Witten, Jason DAL TE - 5Kaeding, Nate SDC PK - 6Jets, New York NYJ Def - 8Packers, Green Bay GBP - 822 Total PlayersTaxi SquadSmith, Alex SFO QB - 7Dickerson, Dorin HOU WR - 11 So clearly, #1 QB core. Top kicker, no need to discuss kickers anyway. Witten has years of solid reliable production. Marcedes Lewis needs to prove himself for another year to convince dynasty owners he is not just a 1 year TD guy. Top 2 of 3 defenses. This leaves RB and WR.Barber, Marion DAL RB - Free agent play.Harrison, Jerome PHI RB - Free agent play.Hillis, Peyton CLE RB - Projections are bi-polar. FBG's average is at #11 rb for 2011. Draft results show Hillis was picked at 5.04 in the draft.Leshoure, Mikel DET RB - If Best goes down or is slowed Leshoure is the play.Mathews, Ryan SDC RB - Check Waldman's thread on emerging players.Slaton, Steve HOU RB - Trade bait for Houston, long shot to produce any fantasy relevance.Smith, Kevin DET RB - Free agent play.Tolbert, Mike SDC RB - If Mathews goes down or is slowed, Tolbert is the play. SD running game locked down.As for WR:Ajirotutu, Seyi SDC WR - 6Floyd, Malcom SDC WR - 6Moss, Santana WAS WR - 5Nelson, Jordy GBP WR - 8Obomanu, Ben SEA WR - 6Simpson, Jerome CIN WR - 7This is where it gets interesting. Some long shots here. What are the chances a QB is traded for a monster WR?

Looking at the Roster I will go down per positionQB- Obviously stacked the problem with it is that I think that if this team wants to trade qb/qbs one has to be Rodgers. Trading Vick is difficult as most owners are very hesitant with aquiring him and Manning is hard to move for proper value which in turn means that Rodgers is the only one you can actually get proper value for.RB- Barber Harrison Slaton Smith are all worthless...Barber could get a little bit depending where he falls but that is it. Tolbert would be useless if not for having Matthews. I am higher on Matthews than most and think that is fine and Hillis will also be fine. Not great RB1 caliber but both low 1 to early rb2 so it is fine. Leshoure I actually hate. I think he is in a worse position than most other Rbs in this draft. He is at best looking to split carries with Jahvid and I just do not see the full potential that others are seeing in him. I am not saying he is untalented as I think he has alot of talent I am just saying he is not in a good situation to ever get into the top tier of rbs and his celing is mid rb2 to me. I know most will disagree on Leshoure but those are just my .02WR- Clearly is very weak and the weakest part of this roster. seyi- worthles. Moss- If the team was going to compete is a fine depth play but with this roster is worthless. Floyd- I am actually higher on than most I think he can be a wr2 in alot of leagues depending where he ends up or if he stays. I think he is undervalued more than most other wrs in the league. Jordy- Has potential to step up in the future. As of now I put him in the flier catagory. Obomanu- Worthless. Simpson- Worthless...Sorry I know some like him but I just do not see it as of yet.Granted all these comments may be a little harsh.TE I obviously think is fine same with other areas as well.Overall I think it is just to short at the RB position and relies on 2 probably high rb2's and a RB I do not like to carry them.The good news is that WR is more easy to find fliers than the other positions but still I feel it is just to weak to compete. i would say it has a good chance at the 1 pick but would not say it is a lock yet. 1 qb move and the team could at least move up a rung or so on the ladder.

 

[Touchdown There]

Dude...you ought to know better than to do something like that.

Not everyone is a nice guy. There has to be bad guys so that the good guys have someone to fight. Didn't you watch cartoons growing up? Let's break it down a little:Manning, Peyton IND QB - 11Rodgers, Aaron GBP QB - 8Vick, Michael PHI QB - 7Barber, Marion DAL RB - 5Harrison, Jerome PHI RB - 7Hillis, Peyton CLE RB - 5Leshoure, Mikel DET RB - 9Mathews, Ryan SDC RB - 6Slaton, Steve HOU RB - 11Smith, Kevin DET RB - 9Tolbert, Mike SDC RB - 6Ajirotutu, Seyi SDC WR - 6Floyd, Malcom SDC WR - 6Moss, Santana WAS WR - 5Nelson, Jordy GBP WR - 8Obomanu, Ben SEA WR - 6Simpson, Jerome CIN WR - 7Lewis, Marcedes JAC TE - 9Witten, Jason DAL TE - 5Kaeding, Nate SDC PK - 6Jets, New York NYJ Def - 8Packers, Green Bay GBP - 822 Total PlayersTaxi SquadSmith, Alex SFO QB - 7Dickerson, Dorin HOU WR - 11 So clearly, #1 QB core. Top kicker, no need to discuss kickers anyway. Witten has years of solid reliable production. Marcedes Lewis needs to prove himself for another year to convince dynasty owners he is not just a 1 year TD guy. Top 2 of 3 defenses. This leaves RB and WR.Barber, Marion DAL RB - Free agent play.Harrison, Jerome PHI RB - Free agent play.Hillis, Peyton CLE RB - Projections are bi-polar. FBG's average is at #11 rb for 2011. Draft results show Hillis was picked at 5.04 in the draft.Leshoure, Mikel DET RB - If Best goes down or is slowed Leshoure is the play.Mathews, Ryan SDC RB - Check Waldman's thread on emerging players.Slaton, Steve HOU RB - Trade bait for Houston, long shot to produce any fantasy relevance.Smith, Kevin DET RB - Free agent play.Tolbert, Mike SDC RB - If Mathews goes down or is slowed, Tolbert is the play. SD running game locked down.As for WR:Ajirotutu, Seyi SDC WR - 6Floyd, Malcom SDC WR - 6Moss, Santana WAS WR - 5Nelson, Jordy GBP WR - 8Obomanu, Ben SEA WR - 6Simpson, Jerome CIN WR - 7This is where it gets interesting. Some long shots here. What are the chances a QB is traded for a monster WR?

Looking at the Roster I will go down per positionQB- Obviously stacked the problem with it is that I think that if this team wants to trade qb/qbs one has to be Rodgers. Trading Vick is difficult as most owners are very hesitant with aquiring him and Manning is hard to move for proper value which in turn means that Rodgers is the only one you can actually get proper value for.RB- Barber Harrison Slaton Smith are all worthless...Barber could get a little bit depending where he falls but that is it. Tolbert would be useless if not for having Matthews. I am higher on Matthews than most and think that is fine and Hillis will also be fine. Not great RB1 caliber but both low 1 to early rb2 so it is fine. Leshoure I actually hate. I think he is in a worse position than most other Rbs in this draft. He is at best looking to split carries with Jahvid and I just do not see the full potential that others are seeing in him. I am not saying he is untalented as I think he has alot of talent I am just saying he is not in a good situation to ever get into the top tier of rbs and his celing is mid rb2 to me. I know most will disagree on Leshoure but those are just my .02WR- Clearly is very weak and the weakest part of this roster. seyi- worthles. Moss- If the team was going to compete is a fine depth play but with this roster is worthless. Floyd- I am actually higher on than most I think he can be a wr2 in alot of leagues depending where he ends up or if he stays. I think he is undervalued more than most other wrs in the league. Jordy- Has potential to step up in the future. As of now I put him in the flier catagory. Obomanu- Worthless. Simpson- Worthless...Sorry I know some like him but I just do not see it as of yet.Granted all these comments may be a little harsh.TE I obviously think is fine same with other areas as well.Overall I think it is just to short at the RB position and relies on 2 probably high rb2's and a RB I do not like to carry them.The good news is that WR is more easy to find fliers than the other positions but still I feel it is just to weak to compete. i would say it has a good chance at the 1 pick but would not say it is a lock yet. 1 qb move and the team could at least move up a rung or so on the ladder.

This is a good mind map of analyzing this roster. I am just wondering if all of the "worthless" players will end up being worthless. As "free agent plays" 1-2 of these rb/wrs could end up in a much better situation. Both free agency and training camp have yet to play out.

 

[psufans2]

Dude...you ought to know better than to do something like that.

Not everyone is a nice guy. There has to be bad guys so that the good guys have someone to fight. Didn't you watch cartoons growing up? Let's break it down a little:Manning, Peyton IND QB - 11Rodgers, Aaron GBP QB - 8Vick, Michael PHI QB - 7Barber, Marion DAL RB - 5Harrison, Jerome PHI RB - 7Hillis, Peyton CLE RB - 5Leshoure, Mikel DET RB - 9Mathews, Ryan SDC RB - 6Slaton, Steve HOU RB - 11Smith, Kevin DET RB - 9Tolbert, Mike SDC RB - 6Ajirotutu, Seyi SDC WR - 6Floyd, Malcom SDC WR - 6Moss, Santana WAS WR - 5Nelson, Jordy GBP WR - 8Obomanu, Ben SEA WR - 6Simpson, Jerome CIN WR - 7Lewis, Marcedes JAC TE - 9Witten, Jason DAL TE - 5Kaeding, Nate SDC PK - 6Jets, New York NYJ Def - 8Packers, Green Bay GBP - 822 Total PlayersTaxi SquadSmith, Alex SFO QB - 7Dickerson, Dorin HOU WR - 11 So clearly, #1 QB core. Top kicker, no need to discuss kickers anyway. Witten has years of solid reliable production. Marcedes Lewis needs to prove himself for another year to convince dynasty owners he is not just a 1 year TD guy. Top 2 of 3 defenses. This leaves RB and WR.Barber, Marion DAL RB - Free agent play.Harrison, Jerome PHI RB - Free agent play.Hillis, Peyton CLE RB - Projections are bi-polar. FBG's average is at #11 rb for 2011. Draft results show Hillis was picked at 5.04 in the draft.Leshoure, Mikel DET RB - If Best goes down or is slowed Leshoure is the play.Mathews, Ryan SDC RB - Check Waldman's thread on emerging players.Slaton, Steve HOU RB - Trade bait for Houston, long shot to produce any fantasy relevance.Smith, Kevin DET RB - Free agent play.Tolbert, Mike SDC RB - If Mathews goes down or is slowed, Tolbert is the play. SD running game locked down.As for WR:Ajirotutu, Seyi SDC WR - 6Floyd, Malcom SDC WR - 6Moss, Santana WAS WR - 5Nelson, Jordy GBP WR - 8Obomanu, Ben SEA WR - 6Simpson, Jerome CIN WR - 7This is where it gets interesting. Some long shots here. What are the chances a QB is traded for a monster WR?

Looking at the Roster I will go down per positionQB- Obviously stacked the problem with it is that I think that if this team wants to trade qb/qbs one has to be Rodgers. Trading Vick is difficult as most owners are very hesitant with aquiring him and Manning is hard to move for proper value which in turn means that Rodgers is the only one you can actually get proper value for.RB- Barber Harrison Slaton Smith are all worthless...Barber could get a little bit depending where he falls but that is it. Tolbert would be useless if not for having Matthews. I am higher on Matthews than most and think that is fine and Hillis will also be fine. Not great RB1 caliber but both low 1 to early rb2 so it is fine. Leshoure I actually hate. I think he is in a worse position than most other Rbs in this draft. He is at best looking to split carries with Jahvid and I just do not see the full potential that others are seeing in him. I am not saying he is untalented as I think he has alot of talent I am just saying he is not in a good situation to ever get into the top tier of rbs and his celing is mid rb2 to me. I know most will disagree on Leshoure but those are just my .02WR- Clearly is very weak and the weakest part of this roster. seyi- worthles. Moss- If the team was going to compete is a fine depth play but with this roster is worthless. Floyd- I am actually higher on than most I think he can be a wr2 in alot of leagues depending where he ends up or if he stays. I think he is undervalued more than most other wrs in the league. Jordy- Has potential to step up in the future. As of now I put him in the flier catagory. Obomanu- Worthless. Simpson- Worthless...Sorry I know some like him but I just do not see it as of yet.Granted all these comments may be a little harsh.TE I obviously think is fine same with other areas as well.Overall I think it is just to short at the RB position and relies on 2 probably high rb2's and a RB I do not like to carry them.The good news is that WR is more easy to find fliers than the other positions but still I feel it is just to weak to compete. i would say it has a good chance at the 1 pick but would not say it is a lock yet. 1 qb move and the team could at least move up a rung or so on the ladder.

This is a good mind map of analyzing this roster. I am just wondering if all of the "worthless" players will end up being worthless. As "free agent plays" 1-2 of these rb/wrs could end up in a much better situation. Both free agency and training camp have yet to play out.

No you are completley right on that....When I say worthless with these players I am basically saying they do not have trade value and I do not think can put up meaningful stats. I definetely think in right situation Barber could come back to at least something and also think one of the wrs could become something. Like I said wr is a tricky situation there could definately be a situation where Obomanu becomes something I just do not see it. You are correct though with me saying 8-9 of these guys are worthless I would assume 1-2 of them could come back to have some value. The problem is I do not see them living up to rb1,rb2,wr1,wr2,wr3 material which is what would be needed in order to get them in the lineups.

 

[Touchdown There]

Dude...you ought to know better than to do something like that.

Not everyone is a nice guy. There has to be bad guys so that the good guys have someone to fight. Didn't you watch cartoons growing up? Let's break it down a little:Manning, Peyton IND QB - 11Rodgers, Aaron GBP QB - 8Vick, Michael PHI QB - 7Barber, Marion DAL RB - 5Harrison, Jerome PHI RB - 7Hillis, Peyton CLE RB - 5Leshoure, Mikel DET RB - 9Mathews, Ryan SDC RB - 6Slaton, Steve HOU RB - 11Smith, Kevin DET RB - 9Tolbert, Mike SDC RB - 6Ajirotutu, Seyi SDC WR - 6Floyd, Malcom SDC WR - 6Moss, Santana WAS WR - 5Nelson, Jordy GBP WR - 8Obomanu, Ben SEA WR - 6Simpson, Jerome CIN WR - 7Lewis, Marcedes JAC TE - 9Witten, Jason DAL TE - 5Kaeding, Nate SDC PK - 6Jets, New York NYJ Def - 8Packers, Green Bay GBP - 822 Total PlayersTaxi SquadSmith, Alex SFO QB - 7Dickerson, Dorin HOU WR - 11 So clearly, #1 QB core. Top kicker, no need to discuss kickers anyway. Witten has years of solid reliable production. Marcedes Lewis needs to prove himself for another year to convince dynasty owners he is not just a 1 year TD guy. Top 2 of 3 defenses. This leaves RB and WR.Barber, Marion DAL RB - Free agent play.Harrison, Jerome PHI RB - Free agent play.Hillis, Peyton CLE RB - Projections are bi-polar. FBG's average is at #11 rb for 2011. Draft results show Hillis was picked at 5.04 in the draft.Leshoure, Mikel DET RB - If Best goes down or is slowed Leshoure is the play.Mathews, Ryan SDC RB - Check Waldman's thread on emerging players.Slaton, Steve HOU RB - Trade bait for Houston, long shot to produce any fantasy relevance.Smith, Kevin DET RB - Free agent play.Tolbert, Mike SDC RB - If Mathews goes down or is slowed, Tolbert is the play. SD running game locked down.As for WR:Ajirotutu, Seyi SDC WR - 6Floyd, Malcom SDC WR - 6Moss, Santana WAS WR - 5Nelson, Jordy GBP WR - 8Obomanu, Ben SEA WR - 6Simpson, Jerome CIN WR - 7This is where it gets interesting. Some long shots here. What are the chances a QB is traded for a monster WR?

Looking at the Roster I will go down per positionQB- Obviously stacked the problem with it is that I think that if this team wants to trade qb/qbs one has to be Rodgers. Trading Vick is difficult as most owners are very hesitant with aquiring him and Manning is hard to move for proper value which in turn means that Rodgers is the only one you can actually get proper value for.RB- Barber Harrison Slaton Smith are all worthless...Barber could get a little bit depending where he falls but that is it. Tolbert would be useless if not for having Matthews. I am higher on Matthews than most and think that is fine and Hillis will also be fine. Not great RB1 caliber but both low 1 to early rb2 so it is fine. Leshoure I actually hate. I think he is in a worse position than most other Rbs in this draft. He is at best looking to split carries with Jahvid and I just do not see the full potential that others are seeing in him. I am not saying he is untalented as I think he has alot of talent I am just saying he is not in a good situation to ever get into the top tier of rbs and his celing is mid rb2 to me. I know most will disagree on Leshoure but those are just my .02WR- Clearly is very weak and the weakest part of this roster. seyi- worthles. Moss- If the team was going to compete is a fine depth play but with this roster is worthless. Floyd- I am actually higher on than most I think he can be a wr2 in alot of leagues depending where he ends up or if he stays. I think he is undervalued more than most other wrs in the league. Jordy- Has potential to step up in the future. As of now I put him in the flier catagory. Obomanu- Worthless. Simpson- Worthless...Sorry I know some like him but I just do not see it as of yet.Granted all these comments may be a little harsh.TE I obviously think is fine same with other areas as well.Overall I think it is just to short at the RB position and relies on 2 probably high rb2's and a RB I do not like to carry them.The good news is that WR is more easy to find fliers than the other positions but still I feel it is just to weak to compete. i would say it has a good chance at the 1 pick but would not say it is a lock yet. 1 qb move and the team could at least move up a rung or so on the ladder.

This is a good mind map of analyzing this roster. I am just wondering if all of the "worthless" players will end up being worthless. As "free agent plays" 1-2 of these rb/wrs could end up in a much better situation. Both free agency and training camp have yet to play out.

No you are completley right on that....When I say worthless with these players I am basically saying they do not have trade value and I do not think can put up meaningful stats. I definetely think in right situation Barber could come back to at least something and also think one of the wrs could become something. Like I said wr is a tricky situation there could definately be a situation where Obomanu becomes something I just do not see it. You are correct though with me saying 8-9 of these guys are worthless I would assume 1-2 of them could come back to have some value. The problem is I do not see them living up to rb1,rb2,wr1,wr2,wr3 material which is what would be needed in order to get them in the lineups.

I agree that they do not have any trade value. Let's remove that value entirely and just look at % chance that one of the question mark RBs can produce RB1, 2 or 3 numbers or that one of the WRs can produce WR1, 2 or 3 numbers which will be startable material in fantasy. The roster has 12 players that I consider question marks at RB or WR.Barber, Marion DAL RB - 5Harrison, Jerome PHI RB - 7Leshoure, Mikel DET RB - 9Smith, Kevin DET RB - 9Tolbert, Mike SDC RB - 6Ajirotutu, Seyi SDC WR - 6Floyd, Malcom SDC WR - 6Moss, Santana WAS WR - 5Nelson, Jordy GBP WR - 8Obomanu, Ben SEA WR - 6Simpson, Jerome CIN WR - 7Slaton, SteveOut of the 12 I am going to remove Tolbert because he is a handcuff or flex starter. I also removed Slaton because he is a real long shot. Assuming this group has a low hit rate of 20-30%, then on average two or 3 of the players from the group will become startable and productive. Really bad luck would be 0 startable players, and good luck would be 5+ startable players.

 

[psufans2]

Dude...you ought to know better than to do something like that.

Not everyone is a nice guy. There has to be bad guys so that the good guys have someone to fight. Didn't you watch cartoons growing up? Let's break it down a little:Manning, Peyton IND QB - 11Rodgers, Aaron GBP QB - 8Vick, Michael PHI QB - 7Barber, Marion DAL RB - 5Harrison, Jerome PHI RB - 7Hillis, Peyton CLE RB - 5Leshoure, Mikel DET RB - 9Mathews, Ryan SDC RB - 6Slaton, Steve HOU RB - 11Smith, Kevin DET RB - 9Tolbert, Mike SDC RB - 6Ajirotutu, Seyi SDC WR - 6Floyd, Malcom SDC WR - 6Moss, Santana WAS WR - 5Nelson, Jordy GBP WR - 8Obomanu, Ben SEA WR - 6Simpson, Jerome CIN WR - 7Lewis, Marcedes JAC TE - 9Witten, Jason DAL TE - 5Kaeding, Nate SDC PK - 6Jets, New York NYJ Def - 8Packers, Green Bay GBP - 822 Total PlayersTaxi SquadSmith, Alex SFO QB - 7Dickerson, Dorin HOU WR - 11 So clearly, #1 QB core. Top kicker, no need to discuss kickers anyway. Witten has years of solid reliable production. Marcedes Lewis needs to prove himself for another year to convince dynasty owners he is not just a 1 year TD guy. Top 2 of 3 defenses. This leaves RB and WR.Barber, Marion DAL RB - Free agent play.Harrison, Jerome PHI RB - Free agent play.Hillis, Peyton CLE RB - Projections are bi-polar. FBG's average is at #11 rb for 2011. Draft results show Hillis was picked at 5.04 in the draft.Leshoure, Mikel DET RB - If Best goes down or is slowed Leshoure is the play.Mathews, Ryan SDC RB - Check Waldman's thread on emerging players.Slaton, Steve HOU RB - Trade bait for Houston, long shot to produce any fantasy relevance.Smith, Kevin DET RB - Free agent play.Tolbert, Mike SDC RB - If Mathews goes down or is slowed, Tolbert is the play. SD running game locked down.As for WR:Ajirotutu, Seyi SDC WR - 6Floyd, Malcom SDC WR - 6Moss, Santana WAS WR - 5Nelson, Jordy GBP WR - 8Obomanu, Ben SEA WR - 6Simpson, Jerome CIN WR - 7This is where it gets interesting. Some long shots here. What are the chances a QB is traded for a monster WR?

Looking at the Roster I will go down per positionQB- Obviously stacked the problem with it is that I think that if this team wants to trade qb/qbs one has to be Rodgers. Trading Vick is difficult as most owners are very hesitant with aquiring him and Manning is hard to move for proper value which in turn means that Rodgers is the only one you can actually get proper value for.RB- Barber Harrison Slaton Smith are all worthless...Barber could get a little bit depending where he falls but that is it. Tolbert would be useless if not for having Matthews. I am higher on Matthews than most and think that is fine and Hillis will also be fine. Not great RB1 caliber but both low 1 to early rb2 so it is fine. Leshoure I actually hate. I think he is in a worse position than most other Rbs in this draft. He is at best looking to split carries with Jahvid and I just do not see the full potential that others are seeing in him. I am not saying he is untalented as I think he has alot of talent I am just saying he is not in a good situation to ever get into the top tier of rbs and his celing is mid rb2 to me. I know most will disagree on Leshoure but those are just my .02WR- Clearly is very weak and the weakest part of this roster. seyi- worthles. Moss- If the team was going to compete is a fine depth play but with this roster is worthless. Floyd- I am actually higher on than most I think he can be a wr2 in alot of leagues depending where he ends up or if he stays. I think he is undervalued more than most other wrs in the league. Jordy- Has potential to step up in the future. As of now I put him in the flier catagory. Obomanu- Worthless. Simpson- Worthless...Sorry I know some like him but I just do not see it as of yet.Granted all these comments may be a little harsh.TE I obviously think is fine same with other areas as well.Overall I think it is just to short at the RB position and relies on 2 probably high rb2's and a RB I do not like to carry them.The good news is that WR is more easy to find fliers than the other positions but still I feel it is just to weak to compete. i would say it has a good chance at the 1 pick but would not say it is a lock yet. 1 qb move and the team could at least move up a rung or so on the ladder.

This is a good mind map of analyzing this roster. I am just wondering if all of the "worthless" players will end up being worthless. As "free agent plays" 1-2 of these rb/wrs could end up in a much better situation. Both free agency and training camp have yet to play out.

No you are completley right on that....When I say worthless with these players I am basically saying they do not have trade value and I do not think can put up meaningful stats. I definetely think in right situation Barber could come back to at least something and also think one of the wrs could become something. Like I said wr is a tricky situation there could definately be a situation where Obomanu becomes something I just do not see it. You are correct though with me saying 8-9 of these guys are worthless I would assume 1-2 of them could come back to have some value. The problem is I do not see them living up to rb1,rb2,wr1,wr2,wr3 material which is what would be needed in order to get them in the lineups.

I agree that they do not have any trade value. Let's remove that value entirely and just look at % chance that one of the question mark RBs can produce RB1, 2 or 3 numbers or that one of the WRs can produce WR1, 2 or 3 numbers which will be startable material in fantasy. The roster has 12 players that I consider question marks at RB or WR.Barber, Marion DAL RB - 5Harrison, Jerome PHI RB - 7Leshoure, Mikel DET RB - 9Smith, Kevin DET RB - 9Tolbert, Mike SDC RB - 6Ajirotutu, Seyi SDC WR - 6Floyd, Malcom SDC WR - 6Moss, Santana WAS WR - 5Nelson, Jordy GBP WR - 8Obomanu, Ben SEA WR - 6Simpson, Jerome CIN WR - 7Slaton, SteveOut of the 12 I am going to remove Tolbert because he is a handcuff or flex starter. I also removed Slaton because he is a real long shot. Assuming this group has a low hit rate of 20-30%, then on average two or 3 of the players from the group will become startable and productive. Really bad luck would be 0 startable players, and good luck would be 5+ startable players.

The thing is I am already giving this team credit with Santana and Floyd...Santana however is nearing the end and by the time this team is going to compete he will be useless...If this was a solid team he would be valuable.That leavesBarberHarrisonLeshoureSmithSeyiJordyObamanu SimpsonSlatonLets give the team 2 of them as I see Leshoure maybe getting there and 1 other we will just say Jordy for the purpose.That leaves the team basically as QBManningVickRodgersRBMatthewsHillisLeshoureWRFloydMossJordyTeWittenLewisThat is about it...even if we give 1 more to the rbs andwrs you still have 0 depth on this team and Moss will be useless in 2 years and Floyd is not young either. Basically it is not young enough to warrent it either. and Really I can not see any of these players reaching the elite level outside of maybe Matthews and Hillis could be low end rb1. I just do not see it with that much potential with the other players that they have.

 

[NeverEnough]

Round 1

Pick Player Team

1.1 (1st overall) Calvin Johnson WR DET Forgetting Brandon Marshall

1.2 (2nd overall) Arian Foster RB HOU Witty team name

1.3 (3rd overall) Jamaal Charles RB KC Royal Trux

1.4 (4th overall) Chris Johnson RB TEN The Steel Curtain

1.5 (5th overall) LeSean McCoy RB PHI Ritter Me Timbers

1.6 (6th overall) Ray Rice RB BAL Health Pellets

1.7 (7th overall) Adrian Peterson RB MIN Southern Steeler

1.8 (8th overall) Andre Johnson WR HOU Richmond Renegades

1.9 (9th overall) Hakeem Nicks WR NYG The Franchise

1.10 (10th overall) Roddy White WR ATL Magical Midgets

1.11 (11th overall) Larry Fitzgerald WR ARI Texas Veterans

1.12 (12th overall) Darren McFadden RB OAK Golden Tater Tots

Round 2

2.1 (13th overall) Aaron Rodgers QB GB Golden Tater Tots

2.2 (14th overall) Rashard Mendenhall RB PIT Texas Veterans

2.3 (15th overall) Mark Ingram RB NO Magical Midgets

2.4 (16th overall) Greg Jennings WR GB The Franchise

2.5 (17th overall) DeSean Jackson WR PHI Witty team name

2.6 (18th overall) Matt Forte RB CHI Southern Steeler

2.7 (19th overall) Peyton Hillis RB CLE Health Pellets

2.8 (20th overall) Mike Wallace WR PIT Ritter Me Timbers

2.9 (21st overall) Maurice Jones-Drew RB JAC The Steel Curtain

2.10 (22nd overall) Vincent Jackson WR SD Royal Trux

2.11 (23rd overall) LeGarrette Blount RB TB Richmond Renegades

2.12 (24th overall) Brandon Marshall WR MIA Forgetting Brandon Marshall

Round 3

3.1 (25th overall) Miles Austin WR DAL Forgetting Brandon Marshall

3.2 (26th overall) Dwayne Bowe WR KC Witty team name

3.3 (27th overall) Philip Rivers QB SD Royal Trux

3.4 (28th overall) Reggie Wayne WR IND The Steel Curtain

3.5 (29th overall) Dez Bryant WR DAL Ritter Me Timbers

3.6 (30th overall) Ahmad Bradshaw RB NYG Health Pellets

3.7 (31st overall) Michael Vick QB PHI The Steel Curtain

3.8 (32nd overall) Mike Williams WR TB Richmond Renegades

3.9 (33rd overall) Jeremy Maclin WR PHI The Franchise

3.10 (34th overall) Ryan Mathews RB SD Magical Midgets

3.11 (35th overall) Michael Turner RB ATL Texas Veterans

3.12 (36th overall) Knowshon Moreno RB DEN Golden Tater Tots

Round 4

4.1 (37th overall) A. J. Green WR CIN Golden Tater Tots

4.2 (38th overall) Steven Jackson RB STL Texas Veterans

4.3 (39th overall) Jahvid Best RB DET Magical Midgets

4.4 (40th overall) Jonathan Stewart RB CAR The Franchise

4.5 (41st overall) Frank Gore RB SF Richmond Renegades

4.6 (42nd overall) Steve Johnson WR BUF Southern Steeler

4.7 (43rd overall) Brandon Lloyd WR DEN Health Pellets

4.8 (44th overall) Sidney Rice WR MIN Ritter Me Timbers

4.9 (45th overall) Julio Jones WR ATL Southern Steeler

4.10 (46th overall) Wes Welker WR NE Royal Trux

4.11 (47th overall) Josh Freeman QB TB Richmond Renegades

4.12 (48th overall) DeAngelo Williams RB CAR Forgetting Brandon Marshall

Round 5

5.1 (49th overall) Tom Brady QB NE Forgetting Brandon Marshall

5.2 (50th overall) Jason Witten TE DAL Witty team name

5.3 (51st overall) Mikel LeShoure RB DET Royal Trux

5.4 (52nd overall) Kenny Britt WR TEN Southern Steeler

5.5 (53rd overall) Marques Colston WR NO Witty team name

5.6 (54th overall) Jermichael Finley TE GB Health Pellets

5.7 (55th overall) Drew Brees QB NO Southern Steeler

5.8 (56th overall) Vernon Davis TE SF Richmond Renegades

5.9 (57th overall) Michael Crabtree WR SF The Franchise

5.10 (58th overall) Antonio Gates TE SD Magical Midgets

5.11 (59th overall) Matt Ryan QB ATL Texas Veterans

5.12 (60th overall) Percy Harvin WR MIN Golden Tater Tots

Round 6

6.1 (61st overall) Felix Jones RB DAL Golden Tater Tots

6.2 (62nd overall) Matt Schaub QB HOU Health Pellets

6.3 (63rd overall) Tony Romo QB DAL Magical Midgets

6.4 (64th overall) Ryan Williams RB ARI The Franchise

6.5 (65th overall) Eli Manning QB NYG Witty team name

6.6 (66th overall) Shonn Greene RB NYJ The Steel Curtain

6.7 (67th overall) Daniel Thomas RB MIA Health Pellets

6.8 (68th overall) Santonio Holmes WR NYJ Ritter Me Timbers

 

[Touchdown There]

How does he expect to get even close to market value for the QBs if we all know he HAS to trade them?I have options. That's what the strategy allows. You aren't backed into a corner.

I hear what you are saying. However, I am just wondering if this team "HAS to trade them" to compete. Let's say that this owner will not trade one of his top dynasty QBs for anything less than premium value and he gets no trade partners. How does the rest of the roster look at each position.There are other ways to improve a team besides trade, such as waivers. What is the waiver situation?

doowain did not get back to me on this, so I went to the MFL page to check the waivers situation. The league is set up with blind bidding waivers with a starting budget of $1000.Jokers Wild $-200.00 $800.00George Spicey $0.00 $1000.00Honey BADgers $0.00 $1000.00Polk High TD $0.00 $1000.00Blitzers $0.00 $1000.00Team RamRod $+100.00 $1100.00FSUfan $0.00 $1000.00Big F'n Dynasty $0.00 $1000.00Devil's Agents $0.00 $1000.00Burn The Boats $-100.00 $900.00drogoNFLy $+600.00 $160.00The Megatrons $-400.00 $600.00The team in question has $1600 blind bidding dollars, not $1000. This must mean that the league allows trading of blind bidding dollars and team dragoNFLy has collected them. This draft was done both before free agency and training camp. You would have to assume that this team has plans to pick up the Peyton Hillis/B Lloyd of 2012.

 

[JPeso]

What are the chances a QB is traded for a monster WR?

Most guys who value QB early in dynasty still got one in the draft. The other owners 6-7 owners wouldn't pay a monster WR for a QB, unless by monster you are considering a short-term monster, but then that wouldn't really benefit your team before facing a sharp, sharp rebuild after year 1. I agree that midyear you will be to move a QB assuming injuries hit, but you won't all of the sudden get a WR with greater market value, that owner would much rather go pay a late 1st/similar valued piece than one of their two dynasty bookends at receiver. Without your 1st in 2012 though, best scenario is you can break-even on a trade of a QB. However the downside in this case is much greater than the upside. I think you have overvalued the position with a group who might see WRs as far more valuable, and you will have a tough time getting out. You will be forced to sell at an even lower price than you paid to acquire three QBs, just for even a chance at making the playoffs. Then maybe you can get lucky 3 weeks in a row so you have some profit in tow before you will be nearly forced to rebuild this roster. I would love nothing more than you proving me wrong though so I don't have to hear doowain clamoring about this [ ], so Velveeta, may the force be with you.

 

[Touchdown There]

A lock, no. But you have to understand. You saw immediately that he needs to trade at least one and most likely two of those QBs to compete. Well, so did/does everyone else in our league. How does he expect to get even close to market value for the QBs if we all know he HAS to trade them? I think it's near impossible.

Here is the thing doowain. I am aware of the collusion going on in the league. It is one thing for you to decide not to trade with another leaguemate. It is collusion when it is discussed as a group. You get one roster. Just like BFD gets one roster to manage. However, the lobbying and 11 vs 1 active trade blocking chatter is something that should be explained to the board here openly.The roster in question is my roster.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I'm not in this league, but I think "collusion" here is a strong word. He's simply stating the obvious: you have three startable, hell, even elite QB's...they dont do you any good rotting on the bench, so for your draft strategy to "pay off" (unless you drafted then to sit on them?), you basically HAVE to trade at least one. And anytime you HAVE to trade someone, it's very tough to get full value, unless there's a bidding war.

And everyone in your league should be smart enough to know that...but because he says it out loud it's collusion?

I agree posting the PM'd roster, and then discussing it openly, was not the best thing he could do. But from an outsiders perspective, I don't see his posts as anything approaching signs of collusion.

 

[Touchdown There]

I'm not in this league, but I think "collusion" here is a strong word. He's simply stating the obvious: you have three startable, hell, even elite QB's...they dont do you any good rotting on the bench, so for your draft strategy to "pay off" (unless you drafted then to sit on them?), you basically HAVE to trade at least one. And anytime you HAVE to trade someone, it's very tough to get full value, unless there's a bidding war. And everyone in your league should be smart enough to know that...but because he says it out loud it's collusion?I agree posting the PM'd roster, and then discussing it openly, was not the best thing he could do. But from an outsiders perspective, I don't see his posts as anything approaching signs of collusion.

No, it was also discussed openly with the league on BFD blogtalk in addition to league member chatter. One of the league members has made me aware of the active chatter.

 

[Touchdown There]

I'm not in this league, but I think "collusion" here is a strong word. He's simply stating the obvious: you have three startable, hell, even elite QB's...they dont do you any good rotting on the bench, so for your draft strategy to "pay off" (unless you drafted then to sit on them?), you basically HAVE to trade at least one. And anytime you HAVE to trade someone, it's very tough to get full value, unless there's a bidding war. And everyone in your league should be smart enough to know that...but because he says it out loud it's collusion?I agree posting the PM'd roster, and then discussing it openly, was not the best thing he could do. But from an outsiders perspective, I don't see his posts as anything approaching signs of collusion.

No, it was also discussed openly with the league on BFD blogtalk in addition to league member chatter. One of the league members has made me aware of the active chatter.

And collusion is the appropriate word.

 

[doowain]

I'm not in this league, but I think "collusion" here is a strong word. He's simply stating the obvious: you have three startable, hell, even elite QB's...they dont do you any good rotting on the bench, so for your draft strategy to "pay off" (unless you drafted then to sit on them?), you basically HAVE to trade at least one. And anytime you HAVE to trade someone, it's very tough to get full value, unless there's a bidding war. And everyone in your league should be smart enough to know that...but because he says it out loud it's collusion?I agree posting the PM'd roster, and then discussing it openly, was not the best thing he could do. But from an outsiders perspective, I don't see his posts as anything approaching signs of collusion.

For the record, I didn't post the PMed roster. He posted his own roster. This is all kinds of strange. I'm not sure why he pretended to not be who really is. Was there a point to all of this? Because I can't seem to find one.I'm not even going to address the collusion talk because it is just downright silly. I just received a PM from him baiting me back into this thread to talk about it.Again, I did not post the roster. I came here to talk strategy. I made a comment about feeling as if I owned the front runner for the 1.01 next year. Sounds to me like it hurt his feelings.

 

[imagroid]

So wait, it was your roster all along? Lol

Bottom line is that roster isn't going to win it all this year imo, but I don't see how its a front runner for #1 pick as doowain has said. In a league like this if u can't deal rodgers for a top wr, u are being colluded against. You need to move a qb just as much says needs to move a handful of future 1sts. I can't imagine those are easier to move than rodgers.

 

[Instinctive]

It's not collusion if you make a stupid move and everybody else knows it, and they happen to say it out loud. It's just a mass acknowledgment of the stupidity...

 

[Touchdown There]

So wait, it was your roster all along? LolBottom line is that roster isn't going to win it all this year imo, but I don't see how its a front runner for #1 pick as doowain has said. In a league like this if u can't deal rodgers for a top wr, u are being colluded against. You need to move a qb just as much says needs to move a handful of future 1sts. I can't imagine those are easier to move than rodgers.

I have been 3 steps ahead of doowain the entire time. During the draft I selected Rodgers at 1.09, R Mathews at 2.09, and Vick at 3.11. Even though Vick was a steal at 3.11, all of a sudden my 2012 1st round pick was traded 3-4 times, eventually landing with doowain. When he traded for my 2012 first in the draft, it was during the 4th round and there was all of 3 people on my roster. At this time, doowain decided that my roster would be terrible and it would be of great value if my 2012 landed at 1.01. I logged that moment in time and when he came into this thread publicly declaring he had a shot at the 2012 1.01, I got him to admit to my gut instinct from that moment in time during the draft.After that, I actually got him to admit on the boards that NO ONE is going to give a fair trade to my roster, in addition to other evidence I have been absorbing for the last week.This is collusion. doowain, I am calling you a cheater.

 

[psufans2]

So wait, it was your roster all along? LolBottom line is that roster isn't going to win it all this year imo, but I don't see how its a front runner for #1 pick as doowain has said. In a league like this if u can't deal rodgers for a top wr, u are being colluded against. You need to move a qb just as much says needs to move a handful of future 1sts. I can't imagine those are easier to move than rodgers.

I am not in this league and have no real input on any of the collusion talk...All I have to say if I was in a league and an owner had 3 qbs like that there is no way I am giving him a top WR even for Rodgers because why should I give him full value when he is the one who HAS to move a player. Rodgers and each of the other qbs value has gone down because he HAS to move one so giving him top dollar for it would not make sense.