Harry Manback
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Eephus
Footballguy
60% is a big ask anywhere.
The 2006 referendum to set the 60% threshold in FL passed by a simple majority and fell short of 60%
Ridgeback
Footballguy
Sometimes?
Wingnut
Footballguy
Yeah. Living here is great. Some of the laws, not so much.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Is it though? I don't think I'd want to deal with the insurance situation let alone the lack of mountains.
3C's
Footballguy
Not only wouldn't want to live there, I don't even want to visit during the summer.
Wingnut
Footballguy
I've never had insurance issues and I hate mountains, so for me, it is.
How will I sleep at night knowing some people don't like Florida?
Soundly. Very soundly.
3C's
Footballguy
Fixed.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Fixed.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Florida has medical so its not really a big issue imo. My cousin pays $240 per year for his card in Florida. I understand the frustration, but I live in a non-legal state and would say, 1) In terms of legal risk, pot possession is a small municipal fine where I live, similar to a parking ticket; 2) as an old white guy in a big city, I have essentially zero risk of being arrested and charged with a pot crime; and 3) my local guy has equal quality and much better prices than the Illinois/Michigan/Minnesota dispensaries anyway.
Raging weasel
Footballguy
What's the going rate for an oz of decent weed in a non legal state?
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
You can get an ounce of cheap stuff in OR for $30 to $40. Decent stuff for less than $100 and usually $300 for top shelf premium.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Glad to report that after a couple fails in recent elections, 54% of my local community decided to allow a couple dispensaries inside city limits. Not a huge deal for me since several neighboring cities already had them, but nice to see that we are finally ready to join the 21st century.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
I understand that this did not get a lot of support because the legislation would hand over the recreational market to the two big players already controlling the medical market. Horrible for any opportunities for small growers, people growing at home, etc.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
55-45 in Florida and you need 60 to pass
The first medicinal marijauna law failed in Florida the first time on the ballot and the 2nd time it was voted thru
My guess is they put it on the ballot again and it will pass easier the next time
I was bummed recreational was not passed here, hopefully next time
The first medicinal marijauna law failed in Florida the first time on the ballot and the 2nd time it was voted thru
My guess is they put it on the ballot again and it will pass easier the next time
I was bummed recreational was not passed here, hopefully next time
Wingnut
Footballguy
Yeah, I don't care about any of that, it would still be a step in the right direction. 56% voted yes, hopefully next time we get the other 4%.
Raging weasel
Footballguy
That's about the same as here in Michigan. Isn't Oregon a legal state? I was wondering about prices in non legal states.
Major
Footballguy
I was paying $150-200/ounce for the top shelf stuff in Texas which isn't much more than CA or CO...and yeah, weed is the last thing I'm worried about getting pinched for. Write me a ticket and I'll be on my way.
E Street Brat
Footballguy
I've had my Florida medical card for a little over a year now.
So far I stick to 10mg hybrid gummy's that I cut in half and mico-dose to relax.
But sometimes I just feel like getting ripped quickly.
As a former cigarette smoker, burning flower scares me, but I'm curious about vaping.
It looks like the choices are many.
Can anyone advise me on that?
So far I stick to 10mg hybrid gummy's that I cut in half and mico-dose to relax.
But sometimes I just feel like getting ripped quickly.
As a former cigarette smoker, burning flower scares me, but I'm curious about vaping.
It looks like the choices are many.
Can anyone advise me on that?
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Buy a pen and a few cartridges and give it a go. Start slow imo
Indica for zoning on the couch
Sativa for for me fishing, gardening, golfing, working around the house etc
I’ve tried 1 hybrid that I like also but usually stick to citrus daydream which is a sativa
Gatorade
Footballguy
Have only smoked a handful of times in the past 20 years. Not legal in any form in south Carolina. I found this very interesting when on vacation in Mexico last year. My friend from Canada pulled out his laptop to order some weed online. He has a prescription and was looking at the weekly/monthly specials, like I would shopping for groceries online. He placed his order and said it would come in the mail a couple of days after he got back home. I could never have dreamed of such a thing back when I was in high school or college.
massraider
Footballguy
The easiest entry, and really cheap, is get a good battery, and buy some distillate carts.
Here's a good name for batteries. You can buy a good battery at any smoke shop, you don't need to order online.
Buy a battery that fits 510 threaded carts, which is the standard. Like These
There is a ton of other options for vaping, live resin, and concentrates, but that is for more serious consumers/snobs. A distillate cart will get you ripped.
Whatever dispensary you go to, will have a million options for 510 carts. It doesn't matter. Get a recommendation from the store, then try other stuff. Carts are cheap in Florida, one of them will last a casual vaper like you a long time.
If you wanna step up your game, look into dabbing concentrates, but that really is the deep end of the pool
fatness
Footballguy
I'm guessing you'd want to vape a cartridge as opposed to vaping weed (less harshness in my experience). Get a good battery, seriously. One that works for 510 cartridges. Don't buy any proprietary batteries or cartridges.
As for what effect(s) you want (get high, sleep, relax, stay alert, etc.) talk to the budtender at the dispensary. And don't be shy with questions, because the options are limitless. They run anywhere from "on alert all the time" to "too sleepy to take my shoes off".
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Good advice
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
Anyone in here ever dabble in growing their own?
Gatorade
Footballguy
Tried that back in the 70s, but never got to reap the benefits.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
Living in a legal state with liberal plant number rules I haven't had to buy anything in a very very long time. Don't smoke, but not afraid of making RSO and turning that into some choice ediblesTried that back in the 70s, but never got to reap the benefits.
Major
Footballguy
I had friend who tried. It's a lot harder and more tedious than it looks. They also tried it in an apartment complex and made the entire building reek
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
There's a learning curve, but once you hit your stride it's not too bad. Probably best to keep it to private property......
I had friend who tried. It's a lot harder and more tedious than it looks. They also tried it in an apartment complex and made the entire building reek
Major
Footballguy
There's a learning curve, but once you hit your stride it's not too bad. Probably best to keep it to private property......
I had friend who tried. It's a lot harder and more tedious than it looks. They also tried it in an apartment complex and made the entire building reek
I imagine so. I still laugh at the attempt. Granted this was in the late 90s before much was known and they were in college trying to make extra cash. I remember they didn't have the trimming thing down and those trees got gigantic and absurdly tall. The smell was what I remember most. This wasn't just weed stench from smoking. It was so bad when you opened their door you'd start blinking from the aroma.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
Yes, this will be a problem without a carbon filter and blower. Let's just say been there done that tooThere's a learning curve, but once you hit your stride it's not too bad. Probably best to keep it to private property......
I had friend who tried. It's a lot harder and more tedious than it looks. They also tried it in an apartment complex and made the entire building reek
I imagine so. I still laugh at the attempt. Granted this was in the late 90s before much was known and they were in college trying to make extra cash. I remember they didn't have the trimming thing down and those trees got gigantic and absurdly tall. The smell was what I remember most. This wasn't just weed stench from smoking. It was so bad when you opened their door you'd start blinking from the aroma.
. That smell brings back late 90's apt life.....ETA if your bench is high enough nobody will say anything in lieu of air filters, just an fyi
massraider
Footballguy
What is really cool about that hobby, is that a person can continue to tweak, and experiment, and never really be doing the same thing over and over. There's a lot of innovation.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
Absolutely. Training, curing, when to harvest, grow medium, cloning, ect. Actually a very satisfying hobby and getting a quality product at the end makes it worth while.
Wingnut
Footballguy
I did years ago, I had a nice little closet hydro setup with a mom/clone chamber and a flowering chamber. I found it pretty easy once I learned the basics. I ran an exhaust into my attic into a carbon scrubber box I built for the smell.
I used to harvest 1-2 ounces every 60 days or so (I always grew 60 day Indica strains). Lately I've been thinking about growing 1-2 plants, but I'd use a grow tent instead of building a closet setup. They have complete setups with lights, timers, fans, etc.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
Yeah, the modern equipment makes it about as set and forget as it can possibly be. Maybe 10 mins a day maintenance and a big harvest day every few months. Add in good training techniques and you can fit a surprisingly large amount of plants into much smaller spaces.
Also seed varieties with feminized and auto's make getting what you want so much easier.
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urbanhack
Fight The Power!
I grow 2 to 4 plants outside every year.
Nothing fancy. Just buy some clones in the spring and take care of them all year and then harvest.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
Curious what training techniques those that grow use, if any at all. I used to just let them grow wild and trim for space, but once I started what's referred to as quadlining space needs decreased and final harvest weight increased. I don't recall my cost per OZ, but typically produce pretty top shelf stuff and I'd feel comfortable saying it's cheaper than anything I'd get at a dispensary.
I imagine this is cool to talk about here since it's legal almost everywhere? If not I'll delete anything about growing.
I imagine this is cool to talk about here since it's legal almost everywhere? If not I'll delete anything about growing.
massraider
Footballguy
Long as you don't have a strain called DeezTrumpNutz, you should be aight
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Thanks ObamaKush!
berndog
Footballguy
Almost like it grows like a weed.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
TLDR: Pot is good for you
. Obviously not that simple and this is about use in cancer patients, but it's nice to see this kind of research taking place. It's a complex plant with a lot of potential and the stigma of the past shouldn't hold back the possibilities for the future.
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FairWarning
Footballguy
It’s $25 in Mich. this weekend one place is selling $17.50. I doubt anyone is cheaper than Michigan.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Junk science, at least for the cancer killing part of it. I didnt look at the comfort/appetite studies. Seems logical that people in pain dying of cancer that smoke up would feel happier/better.
TLDR: Pot is good for you
Regurgitates old data that hasnt progressed beyond preliminary animal studies after a decade on the treatment side.
This is common. It is why we always read about so many different kinds of algae that will solve everything or a billion cures that never come to fruition.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
Don't harsh my buzz bro.....Junk science, at least for the cancer killing part of it. I didnt look at the comfort/appetite studies. Seems logical that people in pain dying of cancer that smoke up would feel happier/better.
TLDR: Pot is good for you
Regurgitates old data that hasnt progressed beyond preliminary animal studies after a decade on the treatment side.
This is common. It is why we always read about so many different kinds of algae that will solve everything or a billion cures that never come to fruition.
Seriously though, always good to hear the other side and a critical take on these types of studies. The plant has been demonized long enough and i like to see these kinds of studies take place though. It's got a documented track record of use for 1000s of years and i find it so strange we resist fully studying it's potential. We know (maybe we don't?) it helps in epilepsy especially children and has shown promise in easing certain symptoms of Parkinson's disease, but the answer is always not enough data, schedule 1 classification prevents study, ect, ect. No doubt we need to pump the brakes on remarkable claims, but i still like to think it's got potential beyond video games and cheetos.
THC and CBD are just a few compounds that could provide benefits and the entourage effect of combining them all could prove beneficial. I hope studies continue and get more robust and if they have no medical value that's cool too. I still like cheetos and video games.
Caveman33
Footballguy
Studies have consistently found that regular marijuana users eat 500-800 calories per day more than non users, yet the marijuana users have the same or lower BMI. In addition, when underweight or sick people consume marijuana, their weight increases to a healthier level. So how is marijuana working towards weight equilibrium? One theory is that because THC binds to CB1 receptors, regular use suppresses appetite. Chronic smokers need to consume THC in order to feel the urge to eat. Once the munchies subside, their natural appetite is suppressed by all the accumulated THC blocking their CB1 receptors. But the THC must also be speeding up metabolism, since users consume more calories yet have lower BMI than non-users. Does anyone know about this stuff? I occasionally read it and it makes sense to me based on my experience but I'm not medically literate.
I experience CHS, which I assume is related to the CB1 binding or maybe it's caused by some vitamin levels being sent out of whack by over consumption. I have figured out ways to keep the CHS symptoms in check. I know many smokers who likely experience CHS symptoms and they are unaware because the cause (THC) also acts as a temporary cure. There is probably good money to be made by whoever can develop a supplement that prevents CHS and allows marijuana addicts to consume without falling sick. CHS is also a drain on ERs and has led many people to have unnecessary gallbladder removals. It's really only been discussed and researched since legalization led more patients to be honest about their use.
I experience CHS, which I assume is related to the CB1 binding or maybe it's caused by some vitamin levels being sent out of whack by over consumption. I have figured out ways to keep the CHS symptoms in check. I know many smokers who likely experience CHS symptoms and they are unaware because the cause (THC) also acts as a temporary cure. There is probably good money to be made by whoever can develop a supplement that prevents CHS and allows marijuana addicts to consume without falling sick. CHS is also a drain on ERs and has led many people to have unnecessary gallbladder removals. It's really only been discussed and researched since legalization led more patients to be honest about their use.
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The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
I've heard of CHS, but never met anyone that experiences it. Does it only become acute from use, it's not a chronic condition? Does smoking vs edibles make a difference? How long and what amount of THC were you using that lead to it if that's ok? I'm interested in what it's like to experience this.
Caveman33
Footballguy
I believe THC causes CHS regardless of how you consume it. CHS reddit is filled with accounts from people who consume in all different ways. I smoked regularly for 6 years without issue then I was in the military for 4 years, during which I smoked rarely. Once out, I returned to daily use and developed CHS symptoms within 4 months. I was smoking about 1 gram a day. I am frugal so I use pipes to maximize efficiency. 1 gram that way could be the same as 2 grams in papers, etc. I would wake up with nausea, sometimes vomiting. I needed to smoke in order to eat before work. I googled, read about CHS, stopped smoking and within 2 days I felt completely better. That was my worst period of CHS and I think one main factor was that I was smoking so much after work that I could suppress my appetite and go to bed without dinner.
That was 10 years ago. I've continued to start/stop smoking dozens of times since, but the withdraw period now is quite severe. I always eat food after smoking, which often means 7 meals a day since I typically smoke that many times. I was mistaken above when I said THC speeds up motility--it's the opposite, it slows it down. So I consume daily psyllium husk. It helps to ensure that all the food I'm eating continues to pass in a timely fashion. Without it, my gut quickly becomes toxic and inflammatory. I have had gut issues for years which I think relates to my MJ use. Typically the longest period of abstinence for me is 3 months before I relapse but I think I need to go at least 6-12 months to repair my gut. My current hope is that daily Omega 3 consumption might help me.
CHS has phases: prodromal and hyperemetic. I've likely never entered hyperemetic. People in that stage often experience uncontrolled vomiting for days or weeks. They are the ones who need to go to the ER. There was a publicized case of a 17 year old kid who had been to the ER. The doctors told him that he was experiencing CHS. He and his mother poo poo-ed this diagnosis. So after leaving the hospital he returned to chronic use and pushed the sickness to the point that his organs shut down and he died.
Another consideration is the relationship between CHS and bile. At times, I have used ACV to stabilize my gut. I have never tried a digestive enzyme but I suspect that could help. There is a reason why so many people were having their gallbladders removed while neglecting to tell their doctors about their MJ use.
FBGs seem to be moderate, responsible consumers of THC which makes it very unlikely to ever experience CHS. Some people are able to consume huge amounts without experiencing symptoms. There are still lots of things for researchers and doctors to discover about CHS.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
Wow, that's pretty wild and kind of scary. Thanks for sharing the experience. Wish i had some kind of medical ideas to share, but i hope you're able to get a solution.
