Power Rankings (1 Viewer)

[pagermill]

Curious if anyone here has setup a league where you use the Power Rankings instead of straight win/loss.

Since FF is largely luck, this would take out the flukes of loosing to the one team that put up more points than you while someone wins by putting up more points than just one team.

Any insight as to why this is a bad idea?

 

[AcousticNut]

I play in a total points league with no head-to-head. While it removes some of the competative trash-talking that would normally occur, it certainly rewards the best team over the course of the season.

 

[Routilla]

I like the breakdown as a tie breaker if the power rankings are tied and head2head is tied. Breakdown shows your record against the league if you played every team every week. Truly a measure of consistency and relative strength of teams against the league.

 

[thayman]

If you are using CBS it's a bad idea because I'm ranked very low just because I have a lot of depth, and my bench players put up a bunch of points every week.

 

[BigRed]

Curious if anyone here has setup a league where you use the Power Rankings instead of straight win/loss.

I thought that was just an MFL thing. I don't even know how this is determined....

Since FF is largely luck

this would take out the flukes of loosing to the one team that put up more points than you

I think this generally balances out in the end. Beating the one team who scored less than you is great.

Any insight as to why this is a bad idea?

May be just a question of personal pref. I like H2H.

 

[The Funk Bud]

Curious if anyone here has setup a league where you use the Power Rankings instead of straight win/loss.Since FF is largely luck, this would take out the flukes of loosing to the one team that put up more points than you while someone wins by putting up more points than just one team.Any insight as to why this is a bad idea?

I haven't, but have strongly considered it. As you point out, it would help to decrease the 'luck factor' while also maintain the head-to-head rivalries each week. For those of you that don't know, CBS' power rankings are determined via a combination of three segments:1. Head-to-head record - Your weekly matchups still have value.2. YTD Points - The team with the highest points is valued the highest in this segment; makes sense to me considering you can't really play defense in fantasy football.3. Record vs. the rest of the league - You're effectively playing the rest of the league each and every week. So it gives some value to how you do compared to your non-head-to-head match-ups.Other than it decreases the importance of your head-to-head matchups (which isn't really a bad thing IMO), I like the whole power ranking concept.

 

[The Funk Bud]

If you are using CBS it's a bad idea because I'm ranked very low just because I have a lot of depth, and my bench players put up a bunch of points every week.

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. You feel you should get value points for your bench even though your starting lineup isn't as good as others?

 

[thayman]

If you are using CBS it's a bad idea because I'm ranked very low just because I have a lot of depth, and my bench players put up a bunch of points every week.

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. You feel you should get value points for your bench even though your starting lineup isn't as good as others?

say you have Manning, and McNabb. Their software will lower your ranking because you have a high scoring player on your bench. It penalizes you for having depth, you are better off having a few high profile players with scrubs to fill out your lineup.

 

[The Funk Bud]

say you have Manning, and McNabb. Their software will lower your ranking because you have a high scoring player on your bench. It penalizes you for having depth, you are better off having a few high profile players with scrubs to fill out your lineup.

I think we're talking about two different things. I'm referring to the power rankings which are based solely on points scored, head-to-head records, and how you'd do if you played everyone in your league. It sounds like you're referring to the pregame match-up projections (which are completely worthless IMO).

 

[nerangers]

If you are not going to use straight up head-to-head, I was thinking it would be good to use the record based on playing every team head-to-head during the week. I think it would be more fair than just using overall points. I also agree with the person that talked about the power ranking at CBSSportsline. Having a good bench can get you a lower ranking.

I have had a rough season this year due to head to head matchups.

In overall points, I am 3rd...

In power rankings I am 3rd...

In playing everyone in a head-to-head matchup, I am 2nd.

My actual ranking in the league, I am 6th

 

[Upchuck]

If you go to the forums of MFL ('help', then 'detailed help', then 'MyFantasyLeague.com Support message board', you can find out how the power rankings are done by doing a search in their forums. Your bench composition DOES affect the rankings and can be changed by pickups, etc. I can see using the 'play all' somehow in figuring the best teams (we use it to determine the next year's draft order), but to use their overall power rankings calculations would be bad. The makeup of your team affects that ranking. In our league your team can be composed of different combos of positions. If you keep only one kicker on your roster instead of two, it affects the power ranking. By the end of the year, the power ranking is pretty good and does a good job of identifying the best teams, but I would not use it for 'in season'. Using the 'play all' I think is a fair method, but what is football without the occasional 'upset' to mess everyone up.

say you have Manning, and McNabb. Their software will lower your ranking because you have a high scoring player on your bench. It penalizes you for having depth, you are better off having a few high profile players with scrubs to fill out your lineup.

I think we're talking about two different things. I'm referring to the power rankings which are based solely on points scored, head-to-head records, and how you'd do if you played everyone in your league. It sounds like you're referring to the pregame match-up projections (which are completely worthless IMO).

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

Here is the link:

http://www.tettamanti.com/power.htm

We used these last year to determine a playoff spot last year in a keeper league but removed the rule. It takes your bench scoring into account, which is a joke. If you need to increase your power ranking, you would just carry additional high scoring postitions. In a desperate attempt to make the playoffs last year, I dumped all my marginal backups and picked up starting QBs to try to increase my bench scoring.

 

[The Funk Bud]

Your bench composition DOES affect the rankings and can be changed by pickups, etc.

You guys are seeing a different "Power Ranking" than I am. NFL.com's power ranking only takes into account head-to-head record, points, and head-to-head vs. other teams. Now the "ratings" might be affected by this bench player stuff, but who the hell uses that?

I have had a rough season this year due to head to head matchups.In overall points, I am 3rd...In power rankings I am 3rd...In playing everyone in a head-to-head matchup, I am 2nd.My actual ranking in the league, I am 6th

It sounds like your power rankings are being calculated correctly. Is your 'actual ranking' dictated by your head-to-head record?

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

I am referring to MFL power rankings. I'm not in any leagues that use anything but MFL.

 

[bonesman]

Your bench composition DOES affect the rankings and can be changed by pickups, etc.

You guys are seeing a different "Power Ranking" than I am. NFL.com's power ranking only takes into account head-to-head record, points, and head-to-head vs. other teams. Now the "ratings" might be affected by this bench player stuff, but who the hell uses that?

Yea... .they definately have COACHING ranking confused w/ POWER ranking. Bench points are not factored into the power ranking at all.but i don't know about the total points vs breakdown argument.... in my one CBS league i am 8th in H2H record and total points.. but 11th in the breakdown I think i'd rather go w/ total points in that situation

 

[nerangers]

Your bench composition DOES affect the rankings and can be changed by pickups, etc.

You guys are seeing a different "Power Ranking" than I am. NFL.com's power ranking only takes into account head-to-head record, points, and head-to-head vs. other teams. Now the "ratings" might be affected by this bench player stuff, but who the hell uses that?

I have had a rough season this year due to head to head matchups.In overall points, I am 3rd...In power rankings I am 3rd...In playing everyone in a head-to-head matchup, I am 2nd.My actual ranking in the league, I am 6th

It sounds like your power rankings are being calculated correctly. Is your 'actual ranking' dictated by your head-to-head record?

Yes...based solely on head to head (3-5-1)Weeks 1 and 2 - I was the second highest scorer, but played the highest (awful way to start off the season)Weeks 4, 6, and 9 - I was the highest, winning two of the three games (tied week 9 - unbelievable!!!)The rest of my scores placed me in the top end of the pack, always drawing a higher than average scoring team. If I had anyone elses schedules, I kept coming up about 6-3.That is the luck of the draw in Fantasy Football. I am hoping to run the tables the next five weeks since my team does know how to put up points.

 

[The Funk Bud]

but i don't know about the total points vs breakdown argument.... in my one CBS league i am 8th in H2H record and total points.. but 11th in the breakdown I think i'd rather go w/ total points in that situation

True, but there are situations where the team with the highest points has one or two monster weeks with subpar outings the rest of the time. That's why I think an average of the three (head-to-head, breakdown, and total points) is a pretty good barometer in qualifying the top teams. Sportsline and Nfl.com's Power Rankings are definitely a valid way of minimizing the luck factor while maintaining head-to-head rivalries.