PPRec League Strategy > Early Turn Pick (1 Viewer)

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Let's assume :

• average 12-team PPR eague...

• standard starting lineup (RB/WR/WR/FLEX W/R) .....

• average skill level (couple good players... a bum or two...and mostly decent drafters).

... pretty much just a normal league. Nothing that should sway strategy too far in any direction.

Asssuming you got a Stud RB at 1.01-1.03... where do you go with the late 2nd round early 3rd round picks? This is for people who pick close to the end if not at the end....

WR/WR

Upside... you shore up two top tier-ish guys who will approach 90rec whcih puts them around 200FPts for the year.

Downside...your RB2 prospects at 04.12 don't look to be that great....though you technically only HAVE to start 1RB

WR/RB

UPSIDE: You have a great RB2 (160-170Fpts) and a Top Tier WR (~200Fpts)

DOWNSIDE: WR2 and any backups look to drop a solid notch or two

RB/TE

UPSIDE: The top TE or two, if you subscribe to FBGs projectiions, look to be a SIGNIFICANT step above the competition, posting 150-180 Fpts compared to 120-140 Fpts of lesser guys. This gap proves to be one of the largest stop-downs of the positions. Shoring up this advantage here COULD be worth sacrificing WR talent.

DOWNSIDE: You've got to start 2 WRs and you're looking at guys like Rod Smith and Coles for your WR1 and WR2 in a PPR league... not too appealing

WR/TE

UPSIDE: You land a stud WR to anchor one slot and a top shelf TE before they come off the board. The approach here would likely be to consider playing matchups for your WR2 slot and hoping to find some value late for the WR/RB flex slot

DOWNSIDE: Putting off your 2nd RB till the 4th round could prove disasterous....even if it IS a PPR league...

Interesting to hear what kind of strategies folks have employed in these sorts of situation.... and what others are considering doing this year

 

[LHUCKS]

depends on what type of RBs I think will be there for me in the 4th. If I like what I see, I could very well go WR/WR.

 

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depends on what type of RBs I think will be there for me in the 4th. If I like what I see, I could very well go WR/WR.

I had this scenario last year and was able to get holt/CJ at this turn and it worked out very well (champ)... but I was interested in hearing other points of view on the matter. Thanks for the input LHUCKS

 

[duaneok66]

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depends on what type of RBs I think will be there for me in the 4th.  If I like what I see, I could very well go WR/WR.

I had this scenario last year and was able to get holt/CJ at this turn and it worked out very well (champ)... but I was interested in hearing other points of view on the matter. Thanks for the input LHUCKS

depends on the players available at the time you pick . . .

 

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Wow... some real outside the box thinkers here

I'm trying to throw out some generic concepts here... however... let's refine this:

WRS AVAILABLE: 2 TOP TIER GUYS

(ie CJ, Holt, Smith, TO, Fitz, Harrison, Boldin, Moss)

RBs AVAILABLE: LATE 2nd TIER GUYS

(ie SJax, Ronnie Brown, Rudi, Johnson, Edge, Caddy, etc)

TEs AVAILABLE: All

 

[duaneok66]

]Wow... some real outside the box thinkers here

I'm trying to throw out some generic concepts here... however... let's refine this:

WRS AVAILABLE: 2 TOP TIER GUYS

(ie CJ, Holt, Smith, TO, Fitz, Harrison, Boldin, Moss)

RBs AVAILABLE: LATE 2nd TIER GUYS

(ie SJax, Ronnie Brown, Rudi, Johnson, Edge, Caddy, etc)

TEs AVAILABLE: All

you're saying those backs are going to be available at the end of the 2nd???

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

,Jul 31 2006, 05:40 PM]

depends on what type of RBs I think will be there for me in the 4th.  If I like what I see, I could very well go WR/WR.

I had this scenario last year and was able to get holt/CJ at this turn and it worked out very well (champ)... but I was interested in hearing other points of view on the matter. Thanks for the input LHUCKS

depends on the players available at the time you pick . . .

Nah, he already knows he's getting 2 top 10 WR's if he wants 'em. Point being is he pretty much knows who's available at that point.

 

[LHUCKS]

,Jul 31 2006, 05:50 PM]Wow... some real outside the box thinkers here 

I'm trying to throw out some generic concepts here... however... let's refine this:

WRS AVAILABLE: 2 TOP TIER GUYS

(ie CJ, Holt, Smith, TO, Fitz, Harrison, Boldin, Moss)

RBs AVAILABLE: LATE 2nd TIER GUYS

(ie SJax, Ronnie Brown, Rudi, Johnson, Edge, Caddy, etc)

TEs AVAILABLE: All

you're saying those backs are going to be available at the end of the 2nd???

yeah, I assumed those RBs would be gone...who exactly is going in the top 17 in this draft??

 

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,Jul 31 2006, 05:50 PM]Wow... some real outside the box thinkers here 

I'm trying to throw out some generic concepts here... however... let's refine this:

WRS AVAILABLE: 2 TOP TIER GUYS

(ie CJ, Holt, Smith, TO, Fitz, Harrison, Boldin, Moss)

RBs AVAILABLE: LATE 2nd TIER GUYS

(ie SJax, Ronnie Brown, Rudi, Johnson, Edge, Caddy, etc)

TEs AVAILABLE: All

you're saying those backs are going to be available at the end of the 2nd???

I'm saying there might be one or two of those types of guys available at that point, yes. Again, I'm speaking in general concepts here people. This isn't a WDIS thread.. this is just about the general strategy of how to approach this section of the draft.

 

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,Jul 31 2006, 05:56 PM]

,Jul 31 2006, 05:50 PM]Wow... some real outside the box thinkers here 

I'm trying to throw out some generic concepts here... however... let's refine this:

WRS AVAILABLE: 2 TOP TIER GUYS

(ie CJ, Holt, Smith, TO, Fitz, Harrison, Boldin, Moss)

RBs AVAILABLE: LATE 2nd TIER GUYS

(ie SJax, Ronnie Brown, Rudi, Johnson, Edge, Caddy, etc)

TEs AVAILABLE: All

you're saying those backs are going to be available at the end of the 2nd???

none of those backs would be available . . . a few of the receivers maybe, so I'm not sure why you are asking the question . . . anyway, you are probably going to pick WRs only because there are no backs worth the pick, unless Parker is available . . .

I'm saying there might be one or two of those types of guys available at that point, yes. Again, I'm speaking in general concepts here people. This isn't a WDIS thread.. this is just about the general strategy of how to approach this section of the draft.

Nice work with the quote feature Okay.. for those who are nitpicking what started as a very generic question.... If I wanted to compare specific players I'm pretty sure I'd be posting this in the ACF section. Once again... pretty basic concept... general strategy of drafting at the turn here.

 

[EBF]

I'd grab Holt on the turn this year. He's money in the bank.

 

[Conqu'ering_Heroes]

I was in a PPR league last year and picked LT, HOLT, and TO with picks 1,24,25. I had no regrets except for TO's issue. In a PPR league, if those types -(top 6 RECs) are AVL generally speaking that's who one should draft (vs RB15-20ish) Do it!

 

[Packers4ever]

I would go WR/WR but if you are picking 1.01, 1.02 or 1.03 I would say that CJ, Owens, Smith and possibly Holt will be gone by your second round pick. With only having to start 1 RB in a PPR league, I would draft a top WR before a 2nd tier RB unless that RB catches alot of passes.

Back 4 or 5 years ago I won back to back championships in a league that had PPR and both years I drafted in the 10th slot and went WR/WR. My first two picks were Harrison and TO both years and 1 year I had Burress as my third WR which that year he out produced most of the 2nd trier RB's. The funny thing about it is I can not even remember the RB's I had.

So if you can get two of the top WR's I would say go for it.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

This year, according to the hundreds of 12-team mocks I've done, here are the RB's surely to be gone before the 2.10 - 2.12 pick:

LJ, LT, SA, Portis, Tiki, Edge, SJax, Ronnie, Rudi, Lamont, and Caddy

The guys with a chance of being there are: DD, Willis, Westbrook

If any of those guys are there for me at 2.10 - 2.12, I'm taking them. Otherwise, I will take the best WR available. The WR's that are typically gone before the 2.10 pick are: Steve, Chad, TO, Torry. My guess is that you'll be looking at these players with your 2nd and 3rd round picks:

RB - Westy (maybe), JJ (probably) FWP, Chester, Reuben, Jamal, and KJ (likely)

WR - TO, Torry, and Chad (doubtful), Marvin and Fitz (maybe), Moss (probably), Boldin, Chambers, DJax, Wayne, Roy (likely)

TE - Gates (likely)

QB - All but Peyton (likely)

With a starting lineup of 1QB, 1RB, 2WR, 1TE, and 1 flex (RB/WR), I would go for RB/WR only if Westy, DD, or Willis is there. If they aren't, that means the WR's should be better, so I am going WR/WR. And with my 3rd round pick, if the best RB is FWP and the best WR is Chambers, I am taking Gates.

 

[cantstop1999]

This year, according to the hundreds of 12-team mocks I've done, here are the RB's surely to be gone before the 2.10 - 2.12 pick:

LJ, LT, SA, Portis, Tiki, Edge, SJax, Ronnie, Rudi, Lamont, and Caddy

The guys with a chance of being there are: DD, Willis, Westbrook

If any of those guys are there for me at 2.10 - 2.12, I'm taking them. Otherwise, I will take the best WR available. The WR's that are typically gone before the 2.10 pick are: Steve, Chad, TO, Torry. My guess is that you'll be looking at these players with your 2nd and 3rd round picks:

RB - Westy (maybe), JJ (probably) FWP, Chester, Reuben, Jamal, and KJ (likely)

WR - TO, Torry, and Chad (doubtful), Marvin and Fitz (maybe), Moss (probably), Boldin, Chambers, DJax, Wayne, Roy (likely)

TE - Gates (likely)

QB - All but Peyton (likely)

With a starting lineup of 1QB, 1RB, 2WR, 1TE, and 1 flex (RB/WR), I would go for RB/WR only if Westy, DD, or Willis is there. If they aren't, that means the WR's should be better, so I am going WR/WR. And with my 3rd round pick, if the best RB is FWP and the best WR is Chambers, I am taking Gates.

you really thing gates will be better than chambers ? i think rivers is unproven and there is more risk there, than if culpepper is health. i would go with chambers first.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

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,Jul 31 2006, 05:50 PM]Wow... some real outside the box thinkers here 

I'm trying to throw out some generic concepts here... however... let's refine this:

WRS AVAILABLE: 2 TOP TIER GUYS

(ie CJ, Holt, Smith, TO, Fitz, Harrison, Boldin, Moss)

RBs AVAILABLE: LATE 2nd TIER GUYS

(ie SJax, Ronnie Brown, Rudi, Johnson, Edge, Caddy, etc)

TEs AVAILABLE: All

you're saying those backs are going to be available at the end of the 2nd???

I'm saying there might be one or two of those types of guys available at that point, yes. Again, I'm speaking in general concepts here people. This isn't a WDIS thread.. this is just about the general strategy of how to approach this section of the draft.

No, there will not be any of those types left at the end of the 2nd. Can't imagine Westbrook or Dom Davis would be there in a PPR league either. Best case you're looking at Dunn/Parker/KJones/JJones/Droughns types vs. two stud WR's. No contest in my opinion, you go WR/WR with any of Smith/CJ/TO/HOlt/Harrison/Fitz/Boldin/Moss/Moss.

 

[cantstop1999]

im in this position and i have looked at it really good and on the turn your looking at, not very good Backs and a the top TE and some top WRS, I personally im going with either the top 2 wrs, or a top wr and gates.

 

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,Jul 31 2006, 05:56 PM]

,Jul 31 2006, 05:50 PM]Wow... some real outside the box thinkers here 

I'm trying to throw out some generic concepts here... however... let's refine this:

WRS AVAILABLE: 2 TOP TIER GUYS

(ie CJ, Holt, Smith, TO, Fitz, Harrison, Boldin, Moss)

RBs AVAILABLE: LATE 2nd TIER GUYS

(ie SJax, Ronnie Brown, Rudi, Johnson, Edge, Caddy, etc)

TEs AVAILABLE: All

you're saying those backs are going to be available at the end of the 2nd???

I'm saying there might be one or two of those types of guys available at that point, yes. Again, I'm speaking in general concepts here people. This isn't a WDIS thread.. this is just about the general strategy of how to approach this section of the draft.

No, there will not be any of those types left at the end of the 2nd. Can't imagine Westbrook or Dom Davis would be there in a PPR league either. Best case you're looking at Dunn/Parker/KJones/JJones/Droughns types vs. two stud WR's. No contest in my opinion, you go WR/WR with any of Smith/CJ/TO/HOlt/Harrison/Fitz/Boldin/Moss/Moss.

You've never played in this league. There is one guy who takes Farve first round...every year. There are other tendencies that lead be to believe that it's quite possible that one or more of those backs could be there. That said, I wanted this to be a general strategy thread so I didn't want to get into those details. Good discussion thus far...

 

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This year, according to the hundreds of 12-team mocks I've done, here are the RB's surely to be gone before the 2.10 - 2.12 pick:

LJ, LT, SA, Portis, Tiki, Edge, SJax, Ronnie, Rudi, Lamont, and Caddy

The guys with a chance of being there are: DD, Willis, Westbrook

If any of those guys are there for me at 2.10 - 2.12, I'm taking them. Otherwise, I will take the best WR available. The WR's that are typically gone before the 2.10 pick are: Steve, Chad, TO, Torry. My guess is that you'll be looking at these players with your 2nd and 3rd round picks:

RB - Westy (maybe), JJ (probably) FWP, Chester, Reuben, Jamal, and KJ (likely)

WR - TO, Torry, and Chad (doubtful), Marvin and Fitz (maybe), Moss (probably), Boldin, Chambers, DJax, Wayne, Roy (likely)

TE - Gates (likely)

QB - All but Peyton (likely)

With a starting lineup of 1QB, 1RB, 2WR, 1TE, and 1 flex (RB/WR), I would go for RB/WR only if Westy, DD, or Willis is there. If they aren't, that means the WR's should be better, so I am going WR/WR. And with my 3rd round pick, if the best RB is FWP and the best WR is Chambers, I am taking Gates.

 

[wannabee]

I would think a LT, TO, Holt core would be tough to beat.

I would follow that by (this is what makes me a little odd):

4th round QB -> Palmer or Brady

5th round RB -> FTaylor

6th round RB -> Addai

7th round RB -> Rhodes

8th round WR -> TGlenn

9th round RB -> MB3

10th round TE -> LJ Smith

11th round RB-> Drew

I know this is not exact. But I like to take two strong WRs in 2nd and 3rd and play RBBC for RB2, with a couple of same team combos and an upside guy. I know most do not like doing this, but I like the options

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

I'd take Shaun Alexander with my second, and Chad Johnson with the third...

Boldin and Moss were the only two players you listed available in my draft this past weekend.And, put me in the no way to determine this without seeing who is there. Some leagues Manning might be there, some leagues I might take 2 RBs if a lot of QBs/WRs are off the board, some leagues I might take 2 WRs if it was insanely RB heavy early on.

 

[Team Legacy]

For the guys who think they have ANY SHOT at TO or Holt at the 2.12/3.1 turn, thats just crazy talk.

6-8 WRs will go in the second. Which means you're looking at 16-18 RBs gone.

Westy at the turn?? You guys are nuts! Your best options available will be Kevin Jones and thats a BIG if.

Parker, Droughns and Chester you have a shot at.

If you're lucky to land one of the top 8 at 2.12, you better grab em.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

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,Jul 31 2006, 05:56 PM]

,Jul 31 2006, 05:50 PM]Wow... some real outside the box thinkers here 

I'm trying to throw out some generic concepts here... however... let's refine this:

WRS AVAILABLE: 2 TOP TIER GUYS

(ie CJ, Holt, Smith, TO, Fitz, Harrison, Boldin, Moss)

RBs AVAILABLE: LATE 2nd TIER GUYS

(ie SJax, Ronnie Brown, Rudi, Johnson, Edge, Caddy, etc)

TEs AVAILABLE: All

you're saying those backs are going to be available at the end of the 2nd???

I'm saying there might be one or two of those types of guys available at that point, yes. Again, I'm speaking in general concepts here people. This isn't a WDIS thread.. this is just about the general strategy of how to approach this section of the draft.

No, there will not be any of those types left at the end of the 2nd. Can't imagine Westbrook or Dom Davis would be there in a PPR league either. Best case you're looking at Dunn/Parker/KJones/JJones/Droughns types vs. two stud WR's. No contest in my opinion, you go WR/WR with any of Smith/CJ/TO/HOlt/Harrison/Fitz/Boldin/Moss/Moss.

You've never played in this league. There is one guy who takes Farve first round...every year. There are other tendencies that lead be to believe that it's quite possible that one or more of those backs could be there. That said, I wanted this to be a general strategy thread so I didn't want to get into those details. Good discussion thus far...

My post was general discussion. Yours is about the only league where RB's of that ilk would be available at 2.12. As such, don't worry about it. Draft BPA and spank these guppies.

 

[cantstop1999]

I would think a LT, TO, Holt core would be tough to beat.I would follow that by (this is what makes me a little odd):4th round QB -> Palmer or Brady5th round RB -> FTaylor6th round RB -> Addai7th round RB -> Rhodes8th round WR -> TGlenn9th round RB -> MB310th round TE -> LJ Smith11th round RB-> DrewI know this is not exact. But I like to take two strong WRs in 2nd and 3rd and play RBBC for RB2, with a couple of same team combos and an upside guy. I know most do not like doing this, but I like the options

your high if you think you can get LT,TO, and holt

 

[wannabee]

I would think a LT, TO, Holt core would be tough to beat.I would follow that by (this is what makes me a little odd):4th round QB -> Palmer or Brady5th round RB -> FTaylor6th round RB -> Addai7th round RB -> Rhodes8th round WR -> TGlenn9th round RB -> MB310th round TE -> LJ Smith11th round RB-> DrewI know this is not exact. But I like to take two strong WRs in 2nd and 3rd and play RBBC for RB2, with a couple of same team combos and an upside guy. I know most do not like doing this, but I like the options

your high if you think you can get LT,TO, and holt

maybe .... but, one of the two should be there in 2nd and a guy like Boldin or Harrison is a lock in the 3rd. But, I think are underrating how much love there is for RBs (even in PPR) and Fitz/Smith

 

[Buckna]

I would think a LT, TO, Holt core would be tough to beat.I would follow that by (this is what makes me a little odd):4th round QB -> Palmer or Brady5th round RB -> FTaylor6th round RB -> Addai7th round RB -> Rhodes8th round WR -> TGlenn9th round RB -> MB310th round TE -> LJ Smith11th round RB-> DrewI know this is not exact. But I like to take two strong WRs in 2nd and 3rd and play RBBC for RB2, with a couple of same team combos and an upside guy. I know most do not like doing this, but I like the options

your high if you think you can get LT,TO, and holt

maybe .... but, one of the two should be there in 2nd and a guy like Boldin or Harrison is a lock in the 3rd. But, I think are underrating how much love there is for RBs (even in PPR) and Fitz/Smith

In a 12 team PPR league last year I had Edge, Holt & TO drafting from the 2 hole (still mad about passing over SA. It was a coin flip, but I figured Edge would catch a lot more passes.) If I am picking anywhere other than the tail end of a draft (say the last 3-4 picks), I almost always go RB, WR, WR. Someone will generally pull the trigger on 1-3 of the top guys in the early to mid 2nd, but other top WR's slide to the early 3rd all the time. They are almost always better value to me than the glut of question mark RB's available at that time.I had some combination of 2 of Holt, TO, CJ, Harrison, Moss and Horn in nearly all my redrafts last year. Moss and Horn were disappointing due to injury, but the others were all solid.

 

[tomarken]

You've never played in this league. There is one guy who takes Farve first round...every year. There are other tendencies that lead be to believe that it's quite possible that one or more of those backs could be there.

You guys play for money? Let me know if there are any openings...I have to say that I agree with most of the posters, I've done a ton of 12 team mocks and in most you can expect anywhere from 15-18 RB's, 5-7 WR's, and potentially 1 QB and 1 TE to all be gone by 2.12. If you're in a league where you're looking at:

WRS AVAILABLE: 2 TOP TIER GUYS(ie CJ, Holt, Smith, TO, Fitz, Harrison, Boldin, Moss)RBs AVAILABLE: LATE 2nd TIER GUYS(ie SJax, Ronnie Brown, Rudi, Johnson, Edge, Caddy, etc)

at the end of the second, you don't need our help. You should dominate easily.

 

[JAMMIN]

Agree with everyone else that some of the guys you mentioned are first rounders. Edge, Rudi and Brown will be gone in round 1 or the first few picks in round 2.

From my research the guys you will be looking at our

RB K. Jones/J. Jones/W. Parker/Droughns/Taylor/J Lew

WR's Chambers/Boldin/Ward/R. Wayne and maybe R. Moss (Most likely taken already due to name value)

I think it depends on your risk level whether or not you can take a Jones or not. I think its to early for Parker, Droughns, Taylor and Lewis. Therefore I would lean towards taking two of the above WR's. I think anyone of these WR's above have reasons to outperform each other. Wayne has manning + no edge. Chambers has C-Pepp and freakish hops. Boldin has chemistry with Warner. Ward is Mr. Consistent and may get more red zone looks w/no bus. Moss has the most freakish talent of any NFL WR.

I just dont see how you can take one of these RB's over those WR's.