ChargersOH
Footballguy
Horrible call there. Ball clearly broke the plane from the side camera.
Harbaugh needs to challange <again>.
Harbaugh needs to challange <again>.
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Pre-Game Thread - Baltimore Ravens at New England Patriots (1 Viewer)
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reading that as sarcasm and he definitely crossed. Camera angle same as referee, can't believe that he could miss seeing thatYeah the ball didn't break the plane there.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
When they challenged the ref said that they were "challenging that the player did not get the first down".
Dash
Road Monkey
But did the ball? I'd think it possible, but that shot was not clear enough.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
They stood him up on the other side of the goal line. No way the ball didn't break the plane there. Just terrible.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
"It's really close."
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Taking six minutes + off the clock and scoring was about the worse thing that coulda happened to the Pats there. But I still feel like Tom Cruise sitting in class and watching the clock tick backwards when I just wanna get home and rail Rebecca DeMornay.
Yenrub
Footballguy
I know but it didn't sound right. It was the 1st time I ever heard that the 1st down had to be made when challenging the spot of the ball
Britney Spears
guest speaker
That is not the rule though. The rule is if the challenge results in a first down or TD, then it's "successful" and you don't lose a timeout.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Unless the ball was hovering behind him on a string then yes.The entirety of both his arms broke the plane there. It's pretty much physically impossible for him to have been holding the ball there and not have any part of it breaking the plane.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
After we broke for commercial...
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Just another standard NE game for the officials.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Holy jesus....
THE FIX IS IN
THE FIX IS IN
Dash
Road Monkey
The call was unsuccessful and so the ball has to clearly break the plane. I agree with you, but the bad video doesn't.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
The ball must have been lodged inside McGahee chest for it not to have crossed the plane.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Problem there is you couldn't see the ball cross the plane, but given where his body was, it would have been physically impossible for the ball not to have crossed the end zone.
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Father Guido Sarducci
Footballguy
Looking forward to the classy post-game interview from Belichick here.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
It is unbelievable.Christ.
ChargersOH
Footballguy
I agree with the announcers. They need to code the ball to when it breaks the plane.
I have no idea how they don't overturn that call. It was clearly over the plane directly from the side.
I have no idea how they don't overturn that call. It was clearly over the plane directly from the side.
snorlax
Zzzzzzzzzzzz.
This is one of the worst rules regarding challenges. Are you telling me that if the spot is somehow off by five yards, and a successful challenge gets those five yards, but it doesn't result in a first down, you're still going to act as if the challenge was unsuccessful? When the refs make a mistake, they shouldn't punish a team for trying to correct it, other than the already overly restrictive limitations of the challenge rules.Also, I'm cheering for New England to come back here, but if they score a touchdown and don't go for two, I'm going to start cheering for them to lose.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
The Patriots get calls like this all the time. It's not this particular referee.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
They're allowed to use composite imagery for review.That is, one angle shows that both his arms were in the endzone. Another angle shows that the ball was in fact in his arms (obvious, but it proves it). With the two combined, it's incontrovertible.
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Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
Nothing new for Ravens fans.
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PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
I'm pretty sure that I saw all but maybe the back tip cross the goal line. Horrible.
Father Guido Sarducci
Footballguy
The football should have a code in its nose.
J Andersson
Footballguy
I'm not really here to argue with you, but what makes you think the Pats will score three times? Have I missed something here? Will we even get a first down? I'm guessing run for 2 yards short pass for 3 yards and then incompletition.Sorry for being such a crybaby but the performance of the team today makes me wanna puke! I could live with a loss and I fully expected it to be a tough one today (since we haven't played real well at all this year).
munchkin
Footballguy
It's disappointing to lose in this fashion at home but the Pats have not played well all year. Brady has had too many costly turnovers, the offense and defense have been extremely inconsistent and the locker room was falling apart culminating in the snow day expulsion of Moss, Guyton and Thomas. This team needs to make a lot of decisions in the off season in order for them to be competitive with the big guys next year (obviously they couldn't do it this year either).
Yenrub
Footballguy
Oh ok I missed that partSo if Harbaugh simply challenges the 'spot of the ball' instead of challenging 'that the player did not get the first down'Does that change anything?
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
All of this outdated silliness of using chains, etc needs to go. Put some radio transmitters in the ball and you can put the ball exactly where it is after every spot.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
That looked like that hurt.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Hey Aiken.. the game isn't over dude.
Britney Spears
guest speaker
Yuck, that looks painful.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Pretty sure the ref said "the spot of the ball as it relates to a first down"
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Guys, the replay thing about first downs and the spot of the ball has always been like this. The reason why you lose a TO even if the spot changes is because they don't want every single play getting challenged every time the spot is off by half a yard.
The funny thing is that with three obvious bad calls that should have been overturned (punt muff recovery, Flacco run, McGahee conversion) if the Ravens had challenged all three and won all three as they should have, they would be unable to challenge the next bad call. That is how bad the refs are. Unreal.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I am just saying, MAKE them score three touchdowns to beat you, instead of bailing them out a tad and letting them get a FG as one of the three scores, potentially. It probably won't matter.
Britney Spears
guest speaker
You can't do that.You can only challenge if they made a first down/TD, or if they were down by contact for these situations I think.They don't want the scenario where they mis-spotted the ball by a couple inches or something, and that always results in a "winning" challenge.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Bills should never have let Sam Aiken get away. Sammy Morris too for that matter.
