Do you mean, take the Chargers and Norv Turner, who only has 3 playoff appearances in 11 seasons as a head coach? THAT Norv Turner?Dungy had been known as a choker in the playoffs until 2006. But then in 2007, with a 13-3 record, Dungy's Colts defended their title by dropping their very first playoff game - at home - against these Chargers, an outcome few saw coming. Perhaps we were hasty removing the choke label from Dungy. 2006 may have been the exception instead of the rule. Take the Chargers.
But Norv has already cleared that hurdle this year. He made the playoffs. Unlike Tony Dungy, when Norv Turner makes the playoffs, he always does well. He's 3-2 in the playoffs lifetime. Just last year, Turner guided these Chargers to wins over the Titans at home and then over Dungy's Colts on the road before almost toppling the Patriots in Foxboro.Do you mean, take the Chargers and Norv Turner, who only has 3 playoff appearances in 11 seasons as a head coach? THAT Norv Turner?Dungy had been known as a choker in the playoffs until 2006. But then in 2007, with a 13-3 record, Dungy's Colts defended their title by dropping their very first playoff game - at home - against these Chargers, an outcome few saw coming. Perhaps we were hasty removing the choke label from Dungy. 2006 may have been the exception instead of the rule. Take the Chargers.
Best post in the thread so far. Colts had no pass rush - Merriman made a huge play in the 4th quarter to seal the win for the Bolts. The Colts didn't choke last year - they were outplayed, mainly because one team had no pass rush, and the other team had enough of one to win.Last season in the playoffs the Chargers had Shawne Merriman and the Colts were without Dwight Freeney. This had a huge impact on the game in my opinion especially in the 4th quarter. This season the tables are turned and Merriman is on IR while Freeney is playing like his old pro-bowl self. That could be the difference between victory and defeat for the Colts.
Injuries could also play a factor. We have to see the injury status of Bob Sanders and LaDainian Tomlinson. Each player is a major contributor to their team and would be a huge loss if they're unable to play.
You can't use Freeney as an excuse because no-one saw the Chargers winning that game a year ago. The Colts were 13-3, at home, and heavy favorites.http://www.thespread.com/sports-betting-to...apolis-san.htmldjcolts said:Best post in the thread so far. Colts had no pass rush - Merriman made a huge play in the 4th quarter to seal the win for the Bolts. The Colts didn't choke last year - they were outplayed, mainly because one team had no pass rush, and the other team had enough of one to win.The Man with the Plan said:Last season in the playoffs the Chargers had Shawne Merriman and the Colts were without Dwight Freeney. This had a huge impact on the game in my opinion especially in the 4th quarter. This season the tables are turned and Merriman is on IR while Freeney is playing like his old pro-bowl self. That could be the difference between victory and defeat for the Colts.
Injuries could also play a factor. We have to see the injury status of Bob Sanders and LaDainian Tomlinson. Each player is a major contributor to their team and would be a huge loss if they're unable to play.
Well - that wasn't the first time nor the last time the national media got something wrong. I still stand by my statement. They were outplayed - and they had no pass rush.You can't use Freeney as an excuse because no-one saw the Chargers winning that game a year ago. The Colts were 13-3, at home, and heavy favorites.http://www.thespread.com/sports-betting-to...apolis-san.htmldjcolts said:Best post in the thread so far. Colts had no pass rush - Merriman made a huge play in the 4th quarter to seal the win for the Bolts. The Colts didn't choke last year - they were outplayed, mainly because one team had no pass rush, and the other team had enough of one to win.The Man with the Plan said:Last season in the playoffs the Chargers had Shawne Merriman and the Colts were without Dwight Freeney. This had a huge impact on the game in my opinion especially in the 4th quarter. This season the tables are turned and Merriman is on IR while Freeney is playing like his old pro-bowl self. That could be the difference between victory and defeat for the Colts.
Injuries could also play a factor. We have to see the injury status of Bob Sanders and LaDainian Tomlinson. Each player is a major contributor to their team and would be a huge loss if they're unable to play.
The Colts were 9 point favorites to win that game a year ago. No-one was worried about the loss of Freeney. Dungy was expected to overcome that.
The national media made them 9 point favorites? I'm under the assumption the line was there because the money moved it there. The bettors weren't afraid of Freeney not playing.Well - that wasn't the first time nor the last time the national media got something wrong. I still stand by my statement. They were outplayed - and they had no pass rush.You can't use Freeney as an excuse because no-one saw the Chargers winning that game a year ago. The Colts were 13-3, at home, and heavy favorites.http://www.thespread.com/sports-betting-to...apolis-san.htmldjcolts said:Best post in the thread so far. Colts had no pass rush - Merriman made a huge play in the 4th quarter to seal the win for the Bolts. The Colts didn't choke last year - they were outplayed, mainly because one team had no pass rush, and the other team had enough of one to win.The Man with the Plan said:Last season in the playoffs the Chargers had Shawne Merriman and the Colts were without Dwight Freeney. This had a huge impact on the game in my opinion especially in the 4th quarter. This season the tables are turned and Merriman is on IR while Freeney is playing like his old pro-bowl self. That could be the difference between victory and defeat for the Colts.
Injuries could also play a factor. We have to see the injury status of Bob Sanders and LaDainian Tomlinson. Each player is a major contributor to their team and would be a huge loss if they're unable to play.
The Colts were 9 point favorites to win that game a year ago. No-one was worried about the loss of Freeney. Dungy was expected to overcome that.
Turner is 3-2 in the playoffs (.600 winning percentage) and 77-95-1 in the regular season (.448 winning percentage). Dungy is 9-9 in the playoffs (.500 winning percentage) and 139-69 in the regular season (.668 winning percentage).Zot said:But Norv has already cleared that hurdle this year. He made the playoffs. Unlike Tony Dungy, when Norv Turner makes the playoffs, he always does well. He's 3-2 in the playoffs lifetime. Just last year, Turner guided these Chargers to wins over the Titans at home and then over Dungy's Colts on the road before almost toppling the Patriots in Foxboro.Ghost Rider said:Do you mean, take the Chargers and Norv Turner, who only has 3 playoff appearances in 11 seasons as a head coach? THAT Norv Turner?Zot said:Dungy had been known as a choker in the playoffs until 2006. But then in 2007, with a 13-3 record, Dungy's Colts defended their title by dropping their very first playoff game - at home - against these Chargers, an outcome few saw coming. Perhaps we were hasty removing the choke label from Dungy. 2006 may have been the exception instead of the rule. Take the Chargers.
In the playoffs? Yes.Turner is 3-2 in the playoffs (.600 winning percentage) and 77-95-1 in the regular season (.448 winning percentage). Dungy is 9-9 in the playoffs (.500 winning percentage) and 139-69 in the regular season (.668 winning percentage).Zot said:But Norv has already cleared that hurdle this year. He made the playoffs. Unlike Tony Dungy, when Norv Turner makes the playoffs, he always does well. He's 3-2 in the playoffs lifetime. Just last year, Turner guided these Chargers to wins over the Titans at home and then over Dungy's Colts on the road before almost toppling the Patriots in Foxboro.Ghost Rider said:Do you mean, take the Chargers and Norv Turner, who only has 3 playoff appearances in 11 seasons as a head coach? THAT Norv Turner?Zot said:Dungy had been known as a choker in the playoffs until 2006. But then in 2007, with a 13-3 record, Dungy's Colts defended their title by dropping their very first playoff game - at home - against these Chargers, an outcome few saw coming. Perhaps we were hasty removing the choke label from Dungy. 2006 may have been the exception instead of the rule. Take the Chargers.
Are you really suggesting that the Chargers have the coaching advantage?
Why is it funny? Norv has 2 trips to the playoffs. He's never gone 0-1 yet. If that sample size is too small for you, how many seasons do you need? 3? 5?Besides, saying he "always" does well is funny, considering he has only been to playoffs twice prior to this season, one of those times was in his first year with a team that was 14-2 the previous year.
In the playoffs? Yes.Are you really suggesting that the Chargers have the coaching advantage?
Yes, that sample size is too small. He made the playoffs once in seven seasons with Washington, and was fortunate enough to get the Lions in the first round, giving him his only playoff win there. And last year's playoff success was with a team that someone else built. You often read about how it takes two seasons for a coach to really put his stamp on a team and that is really true in Turner's case. This year is a prime example. Despite having a lot of talent, they eked their way to an 8-8 team, and only lucked into the playoffs because they play in an awful division. Bottom line: Tony Dungy is widely considered one of the best coaches of the last two decades, while Norv Turner is widely considered a mediocre head coach. And Dungy has had more playoff success than Turner, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Dungy has a Super Bowl win (one more than Turner). Dungy has been to the conference championship game three times (two more times than Turner). The fact that Dungy has gone one-and-out a few times is irrelevant. He has had plenty of playoff success. How many coaches have more than 9 playoff wins (Dungy's total) over the last 12 seasons?Why is it funny? Norv has 2 trips to the playoffs. He's never gone 0-1 yet. If that sample size is too small for you, how many seasons do you need? 3? 5?Besides, saying he "always" does well is funny, considering he has only been to playoffs twice prior to this season, one of those times was in his first year with a team that was 14-2 the previous year.
Not anymore. When Dungy went 13-3 last year and lost to the Chargers (who were huge underdogs) at home, that resurrected the choke label on Dungy. Dungy has to prove 2006 was not a fluke, which at this point looks to be the case. Dungy looks very, very overrated right now.Bottom line: Tony Dungy is widely considered one of the best coaches of the last two decades,
According to you, perhaps, but not most others. I am sure there are others who would agree with you, but the vast majority would likely list Dungy as one of the best coaches in the league right now, and of the last two decades. But keep on arguing in favor of Norv Turner.Not anymore. When Dungy went 13-3 last year and lost to the Chargers (who were huge underdogs) at home, that resurrected the choke label on Dungy. Dungy has to prove 2006 was not a fluke, which at this point looks to be the case. Dungy looks very, very overrated right now.Bottom line: Tony Dungy is widely considered one of the best coaches of the last two decades,
Go ahead and bet on Dungy then.According to you, perhaps, but not most others. I am sure there are others who would agree with you, but the vast majority would likely list Dungy as one of the best coaches in the league right now, and of the last two decades. But keep on arguing in favor of Norv Turner.Not anymore. When Dungy went 13-3 last year and lost to the Chargers (who were huge underdogs) at home, that resurrected the choke label on Dungy. Dungy has to prove 2006 was not a fluke, which at this point looks to be the case. Dungy looks very, very overrated right now.Bottom line: Tony Dungy is widely considered one of the best coaches of the last two decades,![]()
Go ahead and bet on Dungy then.
Different perception this year - plenty of "experts" will pick the Bolts on Saturday - and Indy is only a very slight favorite. I have no real feeling on how this game will go - the last 3 games have all had different tempos, probably caused by injuries on both teams in each of the last 3 games.GO Bolts.No one thought SD would win last year on the road either. SD matches up real well with Indy. Key to the game for SD - how to matchup with Dallas ClarkKey to the game for Indy - stopping the Run and the deep ball to Vjax.
I think there's very few people who would doubt that if a great coach like Belichick or Parcells had been coaching the Colts this decade, with the tremendous amount of talent and hall of famers they've had, that the franchise would have more than 1 ring and a bunch of early playoff exits to show for it. Let's not confuse Dungy with a great coach here.Go ahead and bet on Dungy then.You act like this game will decide who is the better coach or somethin'.
Dungy's overall record speaks for itself, Super Bowl win and all. Turner's also speaks for itself.
dungy is a first ballot hall of fame lock.I think there's very few people who would doubt that if a great coach like Belichick or Parcells had been coaching the Colts this decade, with the tremendous amount of talent and hall of famers they've had, that the franchise would have more than 1 ring and a bunch of early playoff exits to show for it. Let's not confuse Dungy with a great coach here.Go ahead and bet on Dungy then.You act like this game will decide who is the better coach or somethin'.
Dungy's overall record speaks for itself, Super Bowl win and all. Turner's also speaks for itself.
Rank them:Bill WalshBill ParcellsBill BelichickTony DungyJoe Gibbsdungy is a first ballot hall of fame lock.I think there's very few people who would doubt that if a great coach like Belichick or Parcells had been coaching the Colts this decade, with the tremendous amount of talent and hall of famers they've had, that the franchise would have more than 1 ring and a bunch of early playoff exits to show for it. Let's not confuse Dungy with a great coach here.Go ahead and bet on Dungy then.You act like this game will decide who is the better coach or somethin'.
Dungy's overall record speaks for itself, Super Bowl win and all. Turner's also speaks for itself.
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The Chargers gave up 347 points. That's average. Most of the bad games came early in the year as well. Over the last 8 games they've been decent.san diego defense is like water...first team to 50 wins...i'm betting the over...
Take the pts.Jeff Pasquino said:Wow, line opened exactly as I expected it:INDY -2.5O/U 48.5
I can only speak for myself, but if the Colts don't go to the SuperBowl this year, and Dungy retires, my perception of him will be that of a mediocre coach who happened to ride the greatest QB of all time's coattails to a ring.According to you, perhaps, but not most others. I am sure there are others who would agree with you, but the vast majority would likely list Dungy as one of the best coaches in the league right now, and of the last two decades. But keep on arguing in favor of Norv Turner.Not anymore. When Dungy went 13-3 last year and lost to the Chargers (who were huge underdogs) at home, that resurrected the choke label on Dungy. Dungy has to prove 2006 was not a fluke, which at this point looks to be the case. Dungy looks very, very overrated right now.Bottom line: Tony Dungy is widely considered one of the best coaches of the last two decades,![]()
The more you talk, the more you discredit yourself, Zot.I think there's very few people who would doubt that if a great coach like Belichick or Parcells had been coaching the Colts this decade, with the tremendous amount of talent and hall of famers they've had, that the franchise would have more than 1 ring and a bunch of early playoff exits to show for it. Let's not confuse Dungy with a great coach here.Go ahead and bet on Dungy then.You act like this game will decide who is the better coach or somethin'.
Dungy's overall record speaks for itself, Super Bowl win and all. Turner's also speaks for itself.
I expect both teams to have mostly long, drawn-out offensive possessions (the Colts have mostly done that all year - and the Colts D will force the Chargers O to beat them via paper cuts instead of the deep ball). I don't think either team will get to 30 on Saturday, unless one team plays much worse than expected.The Chargers gave up 347 points. That's average. Most of the bad games came early in the year as well. Over the last 8 games they've been decent.san diego defense is like water...first team to 50 wins...i'm betting the over...
The more you talk, the more you discredit yourself, Zot.I think there's very few people who would doubt that if a great coach like Belichick or Parcells had been coaching the Colts this decade, with the tremendous amount of talent and hall of famers they've had, that the franchise would have more than 1 ring and a bunch of early playoff exits to show for it. Let's not confuse Dungy with a great coach here.Go ahead and bet on Dungy then.You act like this game will decide who is the better coach or somethin'.
Dungy's overall record speaks for itself, Super Bowl win and all. Turner's also speaks for itself.
The Colts are my pick to represent the AFC in the superbowl and win it all. So I naturally need to pick Indy to win this game.
Don't worry. We're all FBG's here. We know fully well that if the Chargers lose it's all because of Norv Turner. If the Chargers win Norv Turner doesn't deserve any of the credit.If the Chargers win this game, it won't be because of Norv Turner. It will be because they match-up well vs. the Colts. They have for years.
This was a big loss in this game.I'm a bit surprised there is a lot of focus on what happened in last year's playoff matchup but not much discussion about what happened 5 weeks ago, when the Colts won in San Diego.
San Diego came back from a 20-10 deficit to tie the game at 20 with 1:30 remaining. Manning drove the Colts 37 yards in the last 1:24, and Vinatieri made a 51 yard FG to win it with 2 seconds remaining. That game winning drive included a 4th and inches conversion when the Colts surprised the Chargers by throwing a 14 yard pass to Harrison rather than just sneaking for the first down.
The Chargers had more total yards, rushing yards, passing yards, and first downs, and averaged more yards per pass and per rush. The Chargers also had more penalties, including two questionable pass interference calls that led to a FG for the Colts.
The Colts ran more plays and had a small edge in time of possession, and, obviously, had the most important thing at the end of the game - more points.
Each team had 1 turnover. The Colts' turnover was an interception by Manning near midfield. The Chargers scored a TD on the subsequent drive.
For those talking about the pass rush, Indy had 2 sacks and San Diego had 1. But one of Indy's sacks was one of the biggest plays in the game. The Chargers drove into the red zone on their drive to open the second half, but Rivers was sacked and fumbled. The Chargers were clearly within FG range, so that turnover took points off the board.
The Colts' FG drive that got them to 20 points was kept alive by two questionable pass interference calls, both on third downs.
The Colts lost Jeff Saturday in their third series. The Chargers lost starting FB Mike Tolbert during the game. I don't think Bob Sanders or Luis Castillo played, but I'm not sure about that. I'm not sure what other players may not have played in that game that will play this week.
The first game was a Sunday night game in San Diego, so the circumstances will be very similar. Both teams played good games the first time, offensively and defensively. It was close enough that the difference came down to a few mistakes by the Chargers - the red zone fumble and the PI calls. If they avoid similar mistakes this week and/or force the Colts into more mistakes of their own, I think they will win this week.