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Pre-Game Thread - Indianapolis Colts at San Diego Chargers (1 Viewer)

I think this sets up to be the best matchup next week. The Chargers, despite their record, are right now one of the better teams in the NFL, and playing at a level people predicted they would at the beginning of the year. Indy has played great for several weeks. I like the Colts- very slightly. But I wouldn't be surprised either way.

 
Definitely the best matchup of the first weekend. Although it's a miracle they're still playing, the Chargers are not a team anyone wants to face right now. Of course, neither is Indy. I'll take Indy in a shootout, 34-30.

 
Dungy had been known as a choker in the playoffs until 2006. But then in 2007, with a 13-3 record, Dungy's Colts defended their title by dropping their very first playoff game - at home - against these Chargers, an outcome few saw coming. Perhaps we were hasty removing the choke label from Dungy. 2006 may have been the exception instead of the rule. Take the Chargers.

 
If I'm putting some money down on a possible longshot to win the super bowl, its the Chargers. I really like their bracket. They drew Dungy who chokes in round 1. Then assuming the Ravens win, they will draw the Steelers who may not have a healthy Ben Roethlisberger. This bracket may actually be the easy road to the AFC title game, and who knows what happens from there. I don't think a lot of people are thinking it through like that, so they might have some pretty nice odds.

 
Dungy had been known as a choker in the playoffs until 2006. But then in 2007, with a 13-3 record, Dungy's Colts defended their title by dropping their very first playoff game - at home - against these Chargers, an outcome few saw coming. Perhaps we were hasty removing the choke label from Dungy. 2006 may have been the exception instead of the rule. Take the Chargers.
Do you mean, take the Chargers and Norv Turner, who only has 3 playoff appearances in 11 seasons as a head coach? THAT Norv Turner?
 
Dungy had been known as a choker in the playoffs until 2006. But then in 2007, with a 13-3 record, Dungy's Colts defended their title by dropping their very first playoff game - at home - against these Chargers, an outcome few saw coming. Perhaps we were hasty removing the choke label from Dungy. 2006 may have been the exception instead of the rule. Take the Chargers.
Do you mean, take the Chargers and Norv Turner, who only has 3 playoff appearances in 11 seasons as a head coach? THAT Norv Turner?
But Norv has already cleared that hurdle this year. He made the playoffs. Unlike Tony Dungy, when Norv Turner makes the playoffs, he always does well. He's 3-2 in the playoffs lifetime. Just last year, Turner guided these Chargers to wins over the Titans at home and then over Dungy's Colts on the road before almost toppling the Patriots in Foxboro.
 
Last season in the playoffs the Chargers had Shawne Merriman and the Colts were without Dwight Freeney. This had a huge impact on the game in my opinion especially in the 4th quarter. This season the tables are turned and Merriman is on IR while Freeney is playing like his old pro-bowl self. That could be the difference between victory and defeat for the Colts.

Injuries to other players could also play a factor. We have to see the injury status of Bob Sanders and LaDainian Tomlinson. Each player is a major contributor to their team and would be a huge loss if they're unable to play.

 
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if the Chargers are really hot, and no one wants to play them, than what are the Colts, with their 9 game winning streak?

 
Last season in the playoffs the Chargers had Shawne Merriman and the Colts were without Dwight Freeney. This had a huge impact on the game in my opinion especially in the 4th quarter. This season the tables are turned and Merriman is on IR while Freeney is playing like his old pro-bowl self. That could be the difference between victory and defeat for the Colts.

Injuries could also play a factor. We have to see the injury status of Bob Sanders and LaDainian Tomlinson. Each player is a major contributor to their team and would be a huge loss if they're unable to play.
Best post in the thread so far. Colts had no pass rush - Merriman made a huge play in the 4th quarter to seal the win for the Bolts. The Colts didn't choke last year - they were outplayed, mainly because one team had no pass rush, and the other team had enough of one to win.
 
I'll be rooting for the winner of this match up to go to the superbowl. Thats all I basically have to add.

 
San Diego matches up very well against Indy,if Rivers keeps up his quality play I think The Chargers win this one by a TD.

 
djcolts said:
The Man with the Plan said:
Last season in the playoffs the Chargers had Shawne Merriman and the Colts were without Dwight Freeney. This had a huge impact on the game in my opinion especially in the 4th quarter. This season the tables are turned and Merriman is on IR while Freeney is playing like his old pro-bowl self. That could be the difference between victory and defeat for the Colts.

Injuries could also play a factor. We have to see the injury status of Bob Sanders and LaDainian Tomlinson. Each player is a major contributor to their team and would be a huge loss if they're unable to play.
Best post in the thread so far. Colts had no pass rush - Merriman made a huge play in the 4th quarter to seal the win for the Bolts. The Colts didn't choke last year - they were outplayed, mainly because one team had no pass rush, and the other team had enough of one to win.
You can't use Freeney as an excuse because no-one saw the Chargers winning that game a year ago. The Colts were 13-3, at home, and heavy favorites.http://www.thespread.com/sports-betting-to...apolis-san.html

The Colts were 9 point favorites to win that game a year ago. No-one was worried about the loss of Freeney. Dungy was expected to overcome that.

 
djcolts said:
The Man with the Plan said:
Last season in the playoffs the Chargers had Shawne Merriman and the Colts were without Dwight Freeney. This had a huge impact on the game in my opinion especially in the 4th quarter. This season the tables are turned and Merriman is on IR while Freeney is playing like his old pro-bowl self. That could be the difference between victory and defeat for the Colts.

Injuries could also play a factor. We have to see the injury status of Bob Sanders and LaDainian Tomlinson. Each player is a major contributor to their team and would be a huge loss if they're unable to play.
Best post in the thread so far. Colts had no pass rush - Merriman made a huge play in the 4th quarter to seal the win for the Bolts. The Colts didn't choke last year - they were outplayed, mainly because one team had no pass rush, and the other team had enough of one to win.
You can't use Freeney as an excuse because no-one saw the Chargers winning that game a year ago. The Colts were 13-3, at home, and heavy favorites.http://www.thespread.com/sports-betting-to...apolis-san.html

The Colts were 9 point favorites to win that game a year ago. No-one was worried about the loss of Freeney. Dungy was expected to overcome that.
Well - that wasn't the first time nor the last time the national media got something wrong. I still stand by my statement. They were outplayed - and they had no pass rush.
 
djcolts said:
The Man with the Plan said:
Last season in the playoffs the Chargers had Shawne Merriman and the Colts were without Dwight Freeney. This had a huge impact on the game in my opinion especially in the 4th quarter. This season the tables are turned and Merriman is on IR while Freeney is playing like his old pro-bowl self. That could be the difference between victory and defeat for the Colts.

Injuries could also play a factor. We have to see the injury status of Bob Sanders and LaDainian Tomlinson. Each player is a major contributor to their team and would be a huge loss if they're unable to play.
Best post in the thread so far. Colts had no pass rush - Merriman made a huge play in the 4th quarter to seal the win for the Bolts. The Colts didn't choke last year - they were outplayed, mainly because one team had no pass rush, and the other team had enough of one to win.
You can't use Freeney as an excuse because no-one saw the Chargers winning that game a year ago. The Colts were 13-3, at home, and heavy favorites.http://www.thespread.com/sports-betting-to...apolis-san.html

The Colts were 9 point favorites to win that game a year ago. No-one was worried about the loss of Freeney. Dungy was expected to overcome that.
Well - that wasn't the first time nor the last time the national media got something wrong. I still stand by my statement. They were outplayed - and they had no pass rush.
The national media made them 9 point favorites? I'm under the assumption the line was there because the money moved it there. The bettors weren't afraid of Freeney not playing.
 
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Zot said:
Ghost Rider said:
Zot said:
Dungy had been known as a choker in the playoffs until 2006. But then in 2007, with a 13-3 record, Dungy's Colts defended their title by dropping their very first playoff game - at home - against these Chargers, an outcome few saw coming. Perhaps we were hasty removing the choke label from Dungy. 2006 may have been the exception instead of the rule. Take the Chargers.
Do you mean, take the Chargers and Norv Turner, who only has 3 playoff appearances in 11 seasons as a head coach? THAT Norv Turner?
But Norv has already cleared that hurdle this year. He made the playoffs. Unlike Tony Dungy, when Norv Turner makes the playoffs, he always does well. He's 3-2 in the playoffs lifetime. Just last year, Turner guided these Chargers to wins over the Titans at home and then over Dungy's Colts on the road before almost toppling the Patriots in Foxboro.
Turner is 3-2 in the playoffs (.600 winning percentage) and 77-95-1 in the regular season (.448 winning percentage). Dungy is 9-9 in the playoffs (.500 winning percentage) and 139-69 in the regular season (.668 winning percentage).

Are you really suggesting that the Chargers have the coaching advantage?

Besides, saying he "always" does well is funny, considering he has only been to playoffs twice prior to this season, one of those times was in his first year with a team that was 14-2 the previous year.

If the Chargers win this game, it won't be because of Norv Turner. It will be because they match-up well vs. the Colts. They have for years.

 
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the chargers lost a bunch of really close games this year and could easily have had a much better record. their defense was horrible for most of the season (no merriman?) but has been playing better lately. they seem to be in a prime position to make a run except for one reason......

they're playing peyton manning and the colts. it wouldn't surprise me if the chargers won but i have a fairly strong feeling that the colts will win.

 
Zot said:
Ghost Rider said:
Zot said:
Dungy had been known as a choker in the playoffs until 2006. But then in 2007, with a 13-3 record, Dungy's Colts defended their title by dropping their very first playoff game - at home - against these Chargers, an outcome few saw coming. Perhaps we were hasty removing the choke label from Dungy. 2006 may have been the exception instead of the rule. Take the Chargers.
Do you mean, take the Chargers and Norv Turner, who only has 3 playoff appearances in 11 seasons as a head coach? THAT Norv Turner?
But Norv has already cleared that hurdle this year. He made the playoffs. Unlike Tony Dungy, when Norv Turner makes the playoffs, he always does well. He's 3-2 in the playoffs lifetime. Just last year, Turner guided these Chargers to wins over the Titans at home and then over Dungy's Colts on the road before almost toppling the Patriots in Foxboro.
Turner is 3-2 in the playoffs (.600 winning percentage) and 77-95-1 in the regular season (.448 winning percentage). Dungy is 9-9 in the playoffs (.500 winning percentage) and 139-69 in the regular season (.668 winning percentage).

Are you really suggesting that the Chargers have the coaching advantage?
In the playoffs? Yes.
 
i am not taking too much away from the chargers, but they line "the lost a couple of close games if they would have won them they would have a better record" is BS. they didn't win them, they lost them.

look at their last 4 games, and who they beat Oak, KC, TB, and Den. oak and kc are jokes, TB was overrated as we see now, and den doesn't have any defense.

colts win this one.

 
Besides, saying he "always" does well is funny, considering he has only been to playoffs twice prior to this season, one of those times was in his first year with a team that was 14-2 the previous year.
Why is it funny? Norv has 2 trips to the playoffs. He's never gone 0-1 yet. If that sample size is too small for you, how many seasons do you need? 3? 5?
 
If Dungy loses this one it might get interesting. Norv will raise his career playoff record to 4-2 and he will have some nice underdog victories notched on his belt. Dungy will fall to 9-10 despite that 4-0 run in 2006. That might cause some to ask if a better head coach in Indy might have won more than just 1 Super Bowl given the tremendous amount of talent on the Colts.

 
Are you really suggesting that the Chargers have the coaching advantage?
In the playoffs? Yes.
:wall: :shock: :shock: Okay, then.
Besides, saying he "always" does well is funny, considering he has only been to playoffs twice prior to this season, one of those times was in his first year with a team that was 14-2 the previous year.
Why is it funny? Norv has 2 trips to the playoffs. He's never gone 0-1 yet. If that sample size is too small for you, how many seasons do you need? 3? 5?
Yes, that sample size is too small. He made the playoffs once in seven seasons with Washington, and was fortunate enough to get the Lions in the first round, giving him his only playoff win there. And last year's playoff success was with a team that someone else built. You often read about how it takes two seasons for a coach to really put his stamp on a team and that is really true in Turner's case. This year is a prime example. Despite having a lot of talent, they eked their way to an 8-8 team, and only lucked into the playoffs because they play in an awful division. Bottom line: Tony Dungy is widely considered one of the best coaches of the last two decades, while Norv Turner is widely considered a mediocre head coach. And Dungy has had more playoff success than Turner, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Dungy has a Super Bowl win (one more than Turner). Dungy has been to the conference championship game three times (two more times than Turner). The fact that Dungy has gone one-and-out a few times is irrelevant. He has had plenty of playoff success. How many coaches have more than 9 playoff wins (Dungy's total) over the last 12 seasons?
 
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Bottom line: Tony Dungy is widely considered one of the best coaches of the last two decades,
Not anymore. When Dungy went 13-3 last year and lost to the Chargers (who were huge underdogs) at home, that resurrected the choke label on Dungy. Dungy has to prove 2006 was not a fluke, which at this point looks to be the case. Dungy looks very, very overrated right now.
 
Bottom line: Tony Dungy is widely considered one of the best coaches of the last two decades,
Not anymore. When Dungy went 13-3 last year and lost to the Chargers (who were huge underdogs) at home, that resurrected the choke label on Dungy. Dungy has to prove 2006 was not a fluke, which at this point looks to be the case. Dungy looks very, very overrated right now.
According to you, perhaps, but not most others. I am sure there are others who would agree with you, but the vast majority would likely list Dungy as one of the best coaches in the league right now, and of the last two decades. But keep on arguing in favor of Norv Turner. :cry:
 
Bottom line: Tony Dungy is widely considered one of the best coaches of the last two decades,
Not anymore. When Dungy went 13-3 last year and lost to the Chargers (who were huge underdogs) at home, that resurrected the choke label on Dungy. Dungy has to prove 2006 was not a fluke, which at this point looks to be the case. Dungy looks very, very overrated right now.
According to you, perhaps, but not most others. I am sure there are others who would agree with you, but the vast majority would likely list Dungy as one of the best coaches in the league right now, and of the last two decades. But keep on arguing in favor of Norv Turner. ;)
Go ahead and bet on Dungy then.
 
Go ahead and bet on Dungy then.
:banned: You act like this game will decide who is the better coach or somethin'. :unsure:Dungy's overall record speaks for itself, Super Bowl win and all. Turner's also speaks for itself.
 
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GO Bolts.

No one thought SD would win last year on the road either.

SD matches up real well with Indy.

Key to the game for SD - how to matchup with Dallas Clark

Key to the game for Indy - stopping the Run and the deep ball to Vjax.

 
GO Bolts.No one thought SD would win last year on the road either. SD matches up real well with Indy. Key to the game for SD - how to matchup with Dallas ClarkKey to the game for Indy - stopping the Run and the deep ball to Vjax.
Different perception this year - plenty of "experts" will pick the Bolts on Saturday - and Indy is only a very slight favorite. I have no real feeling on how this game will go - the last 3 games have all had different tempos, probably caused by injuries on both teams in each of the last 3 games.
 
Go ahead and bet on Dungy then.
:kicksrock: You act like this game will decide who is the better coach or somethin'. :shrug:Dungy's overall record speaks for itself, Super Bowl win and all. Turner's also speaks for itself.
I think there's very few people who would doubt that if a great coach like Belichick or Parcells had been coaching the Colts this decade, with the tremendous amount of talent and hall of famers they've had, that the franchise would have more than 1 ring and a bunch of early playoff exits to show for it. Let's not confuse Dungy with a great coach here.
 
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Go ahead and bet on Dungy then.
:bowtie: You act like this game will decide who is the better coach or somethin'. :lmao:Dungy's overall record speaks for itself, Super Bowl win and all. Turner's also speaks for itself.
I think there's very few people who would doubt that if a great coach like Belichick or Parcells had been coaching the Colts this decade, with the tremendous amount of talent and hall of famers they've had, that the franchise would have more than 1 ring and a bunch of early playoff exits to show for it. Let's not confuse Dungy with a great coach here.
dungy is a first ballot hall of fame lock. ;)
 
Go ahead and bet on Dungy then.
:shrug: You act like this game will decide who is the better coach or somethin'. :lol:Dungy's overall record speaks for itself, Super Bowl win and all. Turner's also speaks for itself.
I think there's very few people who would doubt that if a great coach like Belichick or Parcells had been coaching the Colts this decade, with the tremendous amount of talent and hall of famers they've had, that the franchise would have more than 1 ring and a bunch of early playoff exits to show for it. Let's not confuse Dungy with a great coach here.
dungy is a first ballot hall of fame lock. :goodposting:
Rank them:Bill WalshBill ParcellsBill BelichickTony DungyJoe Gibbs
 
san diego defense is like water...first team to 50 wins...i'm betting the over...
The Chargers gave up 347 points. That's average. Most of the bad games came early in the year as well. Over the last 8 games they've been decent.
 
Bottom line: Tony Dungy is widely considered one of the best coaches of the last two decades,
Not anymore. When Dungy went 13-3 last year and lost to the Chargers (who were huge underdogs) at home, that resurrected the choke label on Dungy. Dungy has to prove 2006 was not a fluke, which at this point looks to be the case. Dungy looks very, very overrated right now.
According to you, perhaps, but not most others. I am sure there are others who would agree with you, but the vast majority would likely list Dungy as one of the best coaches in the league right now, and of the last two decades. But keep on arguing in favor of Norv Turner. :yes:
I can only speak for myself, but if the Colts don't go to the SuperBowl this year, and Dungy retires, my perception of him will be that of a mediocre coach who happened to ride the greatest QB of all time's coattails to a ring. :lmao:
 
Go ahead and bet on Dungy then.
:lmao: You act like this game will decide who is the better coach or somethin'. :yes:Dungy's overall record speaks for itself, Super Bowl win and all. Turner's also speaks for itself.
I think there's very few people who would doubt that if a great coach like Belichick or Parcells had been coaching the Colts this decade, with the tremendous amount of talent and hall of famers they've had, that the franchise would have more than 1 ring and a bunch of early playoff exits to show for it. Let's not confuse Dungy with a great coach here.
The more you talk, the more you discredit yourself, Zot.
 
san diego defense is like water...first team to 50 wins...i'm betting the over...
The Chargers gave up 347 points. That's average. Most of the bad games came early in the year as well. Over the last 8 games they've been decent.
I expect both teams to have mostly long, drawn-out offensive possessions (the Colts have mostly done that all year - and the Colts D will force the Chargers O to beat them via paper cuts instead of the deep ball). I don't think either team will get to 30 on Saturday, unless one team plays much worse than expected.
 
The Colts are my pick to represent the AFC in the superbowl and win it all. So I naturally need to pick Indy to win this game.

 
Go ahead and bet on Dungy then.
:lol: You act like this game will decide who is the better coach or somethin'. :lol:Dungy's overall record speaks for itself, Super Bowl win and all. Turner's also speaks for itself.
I think there's very few people who would doubt that if a great coach like Belichick or Parcells had been coaching the Colts this decade, with the tremendous amount of talent and hall of famers they've had, that the franchise would have more than 1 ring and a bunch of early playoff exits to show for it. Let's not confuse Dungy with a great coach here.
The more you talk, the more you discredit yourself, Zot.
:confused: One rule in gambling I always follow - bet where emotions skew reality. I think a lot of people think Tony Dungy is a great person. Everyone likes him personally. They want to see him succeed. They loved it when he won a ring in 2006. But I think those emotions skew reality, and the reality is he is not a great coach. Those emotions skewed the betting line a year ago, making the Colts 9 point favorites - and they lost. Those emotions are skewing the line this year again. As a gambler, you seek these opportunities.
 
Listening to LTs press conference right now. Says he won't be 100% by Saturday, says groin is sore (but he expected that the next day), says he is day to day, says we will have to wait and see what happens. When pressed for more info he just avoided it and said refer to Norv. Says we have a tough game on a short week.

He is happy they are hosting a playoff game and not going on the road.

If I was playing texas holdem with him right now, I would call him with any two cards. :confused:

 
I'm a bit surprised there is a lot of focus on what happened in last year's playoff matchup but not much discussion about what happened 5 weeks ago, when the Colts won in San Diego.

San Diego came back from a 20-10 deficit to tie the game at 20 with 1:30 remaining. Manning drove the Colts 37 yards in the last 1:24, and Vinatieri made a 51 yard FG to win it with 2 seconds remaining. That game winning drive included a 4th and inches conversion when the Colts surprised the Chargers by throwing a 14 yard pass to Harrison rather than just sneaking for the first down.

The Chargers had more total yards, rushing yards, passing yards, and first downs, and averaged more yards per pass and per rush. The Chargers also had more penalties, including two questionable pass interference calls that led to a FG for the Colts.

The Colts ran more plays and had a small edge in time of possession, and, obviously, had the most important thing at the end of the game - more points.

Each team had 1 turnover. The Colts' turnover was an interception by Manning near midfield. The Chargers scored a TD on the subsequent drive.

For those talking about the pass rush, Indy had 2 sacks and San Diego had 1. But one of Indy's sacks was one of the biggest plays in the game. The Chargers drove into the red zone on their drive to open the second half, but Rivers was sacked and fumbled. The Chargers were clearly within FG range, so that turnover took points off the board.

The Colts' FG drive that got them to 20 points was kept alive by two questionable pass interference calls, both on third downs.

The Colts lost Jeff Saturday in their third series. The Chargers lost starting FB Mike Tolbert during the game. I don't think Bob Sanders or Luis Castillo played, but I'm not sure about that. I'm not sure what other players may not have played in that game that will play this week.

The first game was a Sunday night game in San Diego, so the circumstances will be very similar. Both teams played good games the first time, offensively and defensively. It was close enough that the difference came down to a few mistakes by the Chargers - the red zone fumble and the PI calls. If they avoid similar mistakes this week and/or force the Colts into more mistakes of their own, I think they will win this week.

 
If the Chargers win this game, it won't be because of Norv Turner. It will be because they match-up well vs. the Colts. They have for years.
Don't worry. We're all FBG's here. We know fully well that if the Chargers lose it's all because of Norv Turner. If the Chargers win Norv Turner doesn't deserve any of the credit.
 
Yeah you crazy. Which ever warm-climate team wins this game is going to play against a top defensive team on the road where it'll probably be pretty friggin cold. I don't like either team's chances in the next round. But we don't worry about that right now. Two good teams are playing against each other on Saturday Night.

Speaking of that last matchup Bob Sanders in fact did not play in the game earlier this season. If he's good to go obviously the Chargers are gonna have some problems. And for all this talk about coaching advantage between Norv Turner and Tony Dungy remember that Turner pretty much cost the Chargers the game when he screwed up by leaving too much time for Peyton Manning and the Colts to come back after they tied with the field goal. In terms of coaching comparisons there is no comparison.

 
I'm a bit surprised there is a lot of focus on what happened in last year's playoff matchup but not much discussion about what happened 5 weeks ago, when the Colts won in San Diego.

San Diego came back from a 20-10 deficit to tie the game at 20 with 1:30 remaining. Manning drove the Colts 37 yards in the last 1:24, and Vinatieri made a 51 yard FG to win it with 2 seconds remaining. That game winning drive included a 4th and inches conversion when the Colts surprised the Chargers by throwing a 14 yard pass to Harrison rather than just sneaking for the first down.

The Chargers had more total yards, rushing yards, passing yards, and first downs, and averaged more yards per pass and per rush. The Chargers also had more penalties, including two questionable pass interference calls that led to a FG for the Colts.

The Colts ran more plays and had a small edge in time of possession, and, obviously, had the most important thing at the end of the game - more points.

Each team had 1 turnover. The Colts' turnover was an interception by Manning near midfield. The Chargers scored a TD on the subsequent drive.

For those talking about the pass rush, Indy had 2 sacks and San Diego had 1. But one of Indy's sacks was one of the biggest plays in the game. The Chargers drove into the red zone on their drive to open the second half, but Rivers was sacked and fumbled. The Chargers were clearly within FG range, so that turnover took points off the board.

The Colts' FG drive that got them to 20 points was kept alive by two questionable pass interference calls, both on third downs.

The Colts lost Jeff Saturday in their third series. The Chargers lost starting FB Mike Tolbert during the game. I don't think Bob Sanders or Luis Castillo played, but I'm not sure about that. I'm not sure what other players may not have played in that game that will play this week.

The first game was a Sunday night game in San Diego, so the circumstances will be very similar. Both teams played good games the first time, offensively and defensively. It was close enough that the difference came down to a few mistakes by the Chargers - the red zone fumble and the PI calls. If they avoid similar mistakes this week and/or force the Colts into more mistakes of their own, I think they will win this week.
This was a big loss in this game.
 
If we're still talking about last year's Indy-SD playoff game, let's not forget the Colts no longer have Kenton "Butterfingers" Keith.

 

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