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He will gush about Tebow everyday after practice. Tebow is the kind of guy every coach wants.
Don't worry about that. If there was ever a player capable of handling the emotional and mental demands of being an early starting QB in the NFL it's TT. He'll struggle early like most but like very few he'll continue to improve with every game and every year. This kid has the "it" factor that is A LOT less common and more important than people make it out to be.
No chance they waste a pick on Tebow.
The idea that a QB is an "Urban Meyer QB" is ridiculous. (Similarly with the "Jeff Tedford" QB--now that Aaron Rodgers is a success, will you be drafting every QB out of Cal?) Alex Smith sucks because Alex Smith sucks; two years of coaching from Urban Meyer five years ago are not why Alex Smith sucks. Tebow will succeed or fail on his own merits.
LawFitz said:
The 9ers probably won't draft Tebow, though. They have too many holes to fill, and would be better served with a vet QB.What'd be comical is if the Raiders drafted him. Given Jamarcus' work ethic, and statuesque pocket presence, Tebow would be a complete 180. I still think Al has delusions of grandeur with Russell's big arm and fast WRs.The place I keep thinking would be perfect for Tebow is Minnesota, especially if Favre is coming back. He'd get a year to sit and could do mop up duty against the Lions. Harvin and AP would definitely help. Tebow could become to Chilly what Mcnabb is to Reid, I think.
They would get married and have babies if they could.css2373 said:
New around here?
I am a 5 digiter. People around here will hate on a player for any reason but we don't make a good sampling of regular football fans.
I think the Jags will be fine with ticket sales moving forward with or without Tebow. But if it takes reaching for Tebow to keep the team in Jax I'd just assume lose the team. I've been a fan since day one but I could not stomach watching an NFL team, my NFL team bow down to local college fans to reach for a guy just to maybe sell tickets. And I promise you, I am not close to the only Jaguars fan that feels this way, Nationally people seem to think Tebow would create some huge spike in sales, that locals all want Tebow no matter the cost. This is far from the case. Winning is what sells tickets more than anything else. And you don't build a winner by drafting players based on where they went to college and how many jerseys they might sell. On topic, if Singletary gets final says or close to it in regards to the draft, I'll be on the edge of my seat for those first round picks. He sure seems to love him some Tebow. But that's the only way I see it happening.
Just a question because you seem extremely convinced that Tebow will fail and he's not the best thing for the Jags and that you'd be pleased if they didn't take himHow would you feel if Tebow was drafted by another team and became a successful QB? Would you be upset if that happened?I only ask the above because you seem so convinced that Tebow won't make it and there may be indications that your team scouts see that say otherwise. If they go with those indications (and not bc of ticket sales) and end up being right, how long will it take you to come around?
First of all, I am far from convinced that Tebow will fail in the NFL. As a QB given proper time to develop, with his work ethic I think he certainly has a shot. If he plays other positions he could succeed in the NFL as well. My problem with Tebow as a Jaguar revolves around two issues. The first is the idea of taking him with the #10, which I consider a huge reach. The second and bigger issue is that if the Jaguars get him with the #10 or any other pick the local Gator fans and sports talk radio hosts(who are almost completely huge Gator homers) will create a QB controversy before he even has his first practice. The Jags will face constant pressure to start him before he has the time he will very likely need to develop. That's not good for the Jaguars or Tim Tebow. Things in Jacksonville are not as people seem to think nationally. Tebow has already polarized the locals to the extreme that many Jaguar fans don't want him here at all, even as a 7th rounder. College football is very big here and the fans of teams other than UF are getting sick of the Jaguars drafting Gators in the first round . If they take a Gator this year it will make 3 out of the last 4 years with a Gator in the first. Adding to that fire is the fact that taking these Gators haven't worked out on the field and ticket sales have actually decreased. Many Jaguar fans don't want Jacksonville to become Gainsville North, especially when the Gator fans aren't buying tickets anyways.And then you have the Gator homers led by several of the local radio hosts that, and this is 100% serious, think the Jaguars should trade up to made sure they get Tebow in the first round. Some are threatening to boycott the Jags if they don't take Timmy. Lines are being drawn in the sand so to speak. It's a mess. And poor Tim Tebow, who never asked for any of this is stuck in the middle. He's a local kid who played college ball at a very high level down the road and wants to live the dream by playing professionally for his hometown team. It could be a great story, but because of all the drama it's not that easy. At this point there are likely 31 other teams that would be a better fit for Tim Tebow. Heaven forbid he goes to one and becomes an a great pro, because some these locals would straight up lose their minds.
I remember this argument with the Texans and Vince Young.You know what else fills seats? Winning.
Exactly- It's the cure all for attendance problems.
This argument might hold some weight elsewhere, but we're talking about Jacksonville, here. They've tried that winning thing. It didn't work.Look, Jacksonville has a .521 lifetime winning percentage, despite being a decade removed from expansion status. Their lifetime winning percentage is higher than Baltimore's, New England's, Washington's, or Pittsburgh's. They had a remarkable 45 wins from season 2 to season 5 of their existence, an UNHEARD OF number for an expansion franchise, yet during that period they failed to build a sizeable or stable fan base. By comparison... the Carolina Panthers have a lifetime winning percentage of .488. The Panthers have 4 winning seasons in their history... and the Jags had 4 in their first 5 years (7 all-time). The Panthers have never won 20 games in back-to-back seasons, while the Jags have done it six times. The Jags have done more than enough winning to build a fan base, by all measures... yet they've failed to. They're routinely getting outsold by Carolina and Houston (which didn't get its first winning season until year 8 and which has a .383 lifetime winning percentage). They're getting outsold by Cincinnati, which has a cheapskate owner and an abysmal recent history. They're getting outsold by the Arizona Cardinals, who went almost 50 years without a playoff win. They're getting outsold by THE DETROIT FREAKING LIONS, who have gone entire calender years without notching a single victory (and who play in the city that's probably in the worst economic straits in the entire country). It's not that they don't like football in Florida or anything, either- they *LOVE* football in Florida. Tampa Bay has managed to keep its pro team viable despite having a largely transplanted population and a lifetime .392 winning percentage. The Miami Dolphins regularly draw well despite there being a host of other things to do in Miami. The Gators, Seminoles, and Hurricanes all outdraw several professional franchises (including the Jags). High school football is probably bigger in Florida than anywhere else in the country other than Texas. Florida loves its football with a passion that rivals any of the traditional football hotbeds.
Because if you look at recent 49er history, they love to repeat mistakes because they think they know what their doing.
The Jaguars struggle with fans and attendance every year.If they can capture the legions of Tebow fans are not (but would become) Jaguars fans....then there is valid reason to think that the Jags will pick him.
end of thread.great point
I think it's jut the southeast perspective on football. They already have their professional football, and it's been there for a hundred years. Volunteers, Crimson Tide, Bulldogs, Gators, Runnin Rebels, and before Katrina hit the Saints were being predicted to move by some, I think Benson was even publicly mentioning it. Winning solves attendance problems elsewhere, but not Jacksonville.
The USFL Jacksonville Bulls drew almost as well as the 2009 Jaguars.
No matter where he goes, ultimately, he'll prove to be a good pick.Can't read defenses? Ha. That is by far the worst criticism I hear about this guy.Pip Rivers has a wierd delivery too. Tebow is that type of player QB-wise (albeit with further development), but add a TON more athleticism when scrambling to make plays. Dude is a flat out playmaker. And he seems golden in terms of intangibles.Year 1: Wildcat QBYear 2: Wildcat/StarterYear 3: StarAll this of course is barring injuries. That is really the only criticism of this guy's game that's been truly meaningful. Just watch.
Being an Indy homer and a Manning fan, I for one would love to see Indy pick up Tebow and let Peyton guide him to a great future. He is a great quarterback and this is coming from his number 1 female fan. Go Peyton! Go Tebow!
Last year. You know, when the Lions sold out four times as many home games as the Jags.You want to go by raw attendance totals, that's fine, too. Jacksonville averaged 264 more tickets sold per game despite playing in a stadium with 8,000 more seats. So yeah, I guess by that measure (rather than the blackouts measure), then they did just barely manage to outsell a professional football team that had gone 21 months without a win and that played in the city with the in the worst economic shape of any NFL city.Wadsworth said:
What an interesting way to say you were wrong.
Like I said, I was going off of blackout data. The Jags sold out one game. The Lions sold out four. I hadn't seen the average attendance figures on ESPN, but even then, the Lions essentially matched the Jags in raw attendance and readily outstripped the Jags in terms of percentage of tickets sold. I'm sticking to my position- the Lions outsold the Jags last year.If you want to play the "nah bro, the Jags totally sold 200 more tickets per game" card and use this as evidence of... well, anything, really... then be my guest. Even if you point to raw attendance figures, the fact that you're even having an argument over whether or not the Jags had more fans attend than the worst team in NFL history playing in a city in the midst of major economic crisis kind of demonstrates just how terrible Jags ticket sales are. Look how many people dropped their Jags tickets the second the economy went south, compared to every other sports team. It really proves that Jacksonville does not love the Jags. They like them well enough, but when it comes to making decisions about finances, the Jags tickets are the first things to go.
