Prediction: Tebow goes in the first 22 picks (1 Viewer)

[Erin Go Bragh]

Kind of a takeoff on the thread predicting that San Fran would take him if the Jags don't.

I say that the buck stops with New England at 1.22 if they still own that pick on draft day.

I predict we will start to hear stories in the days ahead that Tebow's stock is on the rise to the point that it will become the conventional wisdom by draft day that he is going to go in round one. Just like one day Schefter said forget Suh, it will be Bradford at 1.01 and all of a sudden there was a sea change in pubic opinion. The same thing will happen with Tebow.

The Redskins, Browns, Bills, Jaguars, Seahawks or Patriots...one of those teams will take him...maybe not at their original draft spot. I could be wrong and a surprise team will grab him but the main point is that it will be done in the first 22 picks. Again, I do not think San Fran will be that team. I am quite confident in that.

Oh yeah...he'll also be the second QB off the board after Bradford.

I expect to be flamed mercilessly before and after the draft (if I'm wrong) for the prediction but that's OK.

Keep an ear out for the Tebow draft rumor mill to get cranked up really soon. Just remember where you heard it first and I'll be back to take my medicine if I'm wrong.

 

[Chase Stuart]

New England has a lot of needs; I just don't get the Tebow to NE hype. The Pats are set at QB and can't afford to waste picks, no matter how tight Belichick and Meyer are.

Buffalo and Jacksonville seem like reasonable destinations. Seattle maybe, too. I don't see Washington or Cleveland touching him.

 

[IDrinkyourMilkshake]

I'm looking at you Buffalo. They could trade down a few spots, trade up from the 2nd round or just take him at their spot.

 

[gianmarco]

But Chad Henne said.........

 

[Donsmith753]

NE in the second is more realistic, of course he'll be gone by then.

 

[David Yudkin]

Given the team needs, the Pats don't have the luxury of taking Tebow, especially not in the first round. I don't even think they will take him in the second. I suspect some other team will select him and the Pats will let out that they were considering him with their next pick give the Meyer/BB relationship. Also, the Pats have fared pretty well without investing high draft picks on QBs, so I'm not sure that they would change that philosophy now.

 

[efactor]

You think Schefter changes public opinion with the people that matter?

When he said Bradford to the Rams, that wasn't a big reach. Bradford is the top QB (last year too) and the Rams need a QB. A lot of people had Bradford possibly going to the Rams.

Tebow is a totally different story. He's a 3rd or 4th round talent who couldn't even be a back-up right away. He's a project. Nobody, especially a team like the Pats, who have holes to fill to get back to elite status, and happen to have a great quarterback already, will take him in round one. Anywhere before round three is a reach..........

 

[Erin Go Bragh]

Given the team needs, the Pats don't have the luxury of taking Tebow, especially not in the first round. I don't even think they will take him in the second. I suspect some other team will select him and the Pats will let out that they were considering him with their next pick give the Meyer/BB relationship. Also, the Pats have fared pretty well without investing high draft picks on QBs, so I'm not sure that they would change that philosophy now.

I actually kind of hope no one else takes him and the Pats come on the clock at 1.22 with Tebow still available. I'd like to see my theory put to the test. If everyone knew how Aaron Rodgers would turn out, wouldn't they have drafted him no matter what their QB situation looked like? Green Bay was 10-6 and division champs the year before they drafted Rodgers. But they obviously had needs because the team winded up going 4-12 the next year. Yet they took Rodgers because they felt the value was too good to pass up.I think the Patriots will feel the same way about Tebow. I also think they will suspect he will be gone by the time they pick in the second round. Time will tell. I think it won't happen this way because I think he'll already be off the board and you will claim that they wouldn't have taken him and I'll say they would have and there will be no way of knowing who was right.Either way, I've made my prediction and we'll see what happens. Only 29 days until the draft.Before we get there, we'll see if I'm right or not about the conventional wisdom switching to indicate that he is a likely first rounder. That will be step #1. Stay tuned...

 

[ChargersOH]

You think Schefter changes public opinion with the people that matter? When he said Bradford to the Rams, that wasn't a big reach. Bradford is the top QB (last year too) and the Rams need a QB. A lot of people had Bradford possibly going to the Rams. Tebow is a totally different story. He's a 3rd or 4th round talent who couldn't even be a back-up right away. He's a project. Nobody, especially a team like the Pats, who have holes to fill to get back to elite status, and happen to have a great quarterback already, will take him in round one. Anywhere before round three is a reach..........

Opinions. Everyone has one. Why is Tebow a project and Bradford isn't? Bradford in your mind can step in and start from day 1? Hardly. Tebow played much better Ds who were faster and much higher ranked. He's more durable and they have about the same arm strength. He also can do a lot of things that Bradford can't, and has played top tier SEC NFL-style Ds with heavy pressure. These are things Bradford rarely saw behind his good O Line and mediocre competition.So, he gets drafted by St Louis. What do you see Bradford doing next year? In two years? Will he turn that franchise around?I'd say Bradford due to his fragility is much more riskier at 1.01 than Tebow is at 1.22. One mans 4th round pick is another mans first. There's really no such thing as a blue chip QB prospect. Also, it's your opinion he's a 3rd rounder. What his real value is will be from the teams who covet him, from his long history. I think Mccoy is a 5th round talent. I think Clausen is a third round talent. Notice something there?Everyone is drafted on potential. They are college players.I'd have no problems with the Chargers taking him in Round 1, especially since next preseason after a year with Norv, we could probably trade him for a lot more value. Honestly, given the Rams needs they'd be better served trading down and nabbing 2 players in the first round. If one of those two were Tebow at the bottom of the round, I think their team would be much, much better in the next 2 years than if they just grabbed Bradford, who by the way I think will be a nice NFL QB if he goes to a decent organization.

 

[Erin Go Bragh]

You think Schefter changes public opinion with the people that matter? When he said Bradford to the Rams, that wasn't a big reach. Bradford is the top QB (last year too) and the Rams need a QB. A lot of people had Bradford possibly going to the Rams. Tebow is a totally different story. He's a 3rd or 4th round talent who couldn't even be a back-up right away. He's a project. Nobody, especially a team like the Pats, who have holes to fill to get back to elite status, and happen to have a great quarterback already, will take him in round one. Anywhere before round three is a reach..........

Go back and look at what was being said before Schefter said that about Bradford. Almost EVERYONE doing mocks had Suh or McCoy going #1. Within a week, you could barely find a mock that didn't have Bradford #1. There is a huge herd mentality among mock drafters (at least the mainstream ones) and they are all afraid to be the last one to the party.Go and look up the mocks for Don Banks (Sports Illustrated), Mel Kiper and Todd McShay *PRIOR* to Feb. 24 when they all had DTs going and Bradford going to Washington and then look up their very next version after Feb. 24 (the day Schefter basically called everyone stupid for not having Bradford #1). Here is a piece of the PFT story on Feb. 25:Said Schefter: "I would like to record something here, on February 24th. Two months from the draft. And tell you who the number one pick is gonna be right now. On the basis of what I've talked to people around the league [about], everything I've heard. And at some point it's gonna shift to this guy, and I don't know whether it'll be now or late March. It'll probably be after his Pro Day, when he goes through his Pro Day and goes through his workout. Then all of a sudden -- it'll be about a month from now -- we'll start hearing, 'Wow. Would and could the Rams take with the number one overall pick Sam Bradford?' "And I believe ultimately, when all is said and done, that the Rams' number one pick on April 22nd, two months from now, will be Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford. I'm willing to take all bets on that one right now."Schefter later said he hasn't spoken to the Rams about it, but that based on everything else he's heard he believes "there's no way" the Rams won't take Sam Bradford.Schefter also threw a politely-crafted dagger at ESPN draftniks Mel Kiper and Todd McShay, without accusing them of wearing sausage casing and/or being a Holden Caufield fantasy. "I notice that Sam Bradford is not in their top five," Schefter said of Kiper and McShay. "I can promise you that's wrong. I can promise you that's wrong."Now, again, look at the first post-Feb. 24 mock for those three major NFL / Draft analysts...they all had Bradford #1. What had changed for Bradford? Nothing. OK, he showed up at the combine having packed on some muscle but no one had seen him throw. Banks/Kiper/McShay were all of a sudden talking about the value of the QB position. What...they didn't know QBs were valuable before Schefter said what he did? It was comical how quickly it shifted and now look at the prevalence of Bradford at #1 in mocks everywhere. Groupthink is a definite phenomenon with mock drafters.You asked if I think Schefter changes public opinion with the people that matter. That depends upon who you are talking about. If you are talking about NFL decision makers then the answer is no. If you are talking about major members of the NFL draft media then, in this case, the answer is absolutely yes.It's not so much that it's Schefter himself. It could have been any other a-lister. The point is that as drafts approach, there inevitably is someone who is the first to either deduce or get tipped to the truth about what a certain team will do in regards to a certain player. Case in point: Tyson Jackson last year. No one had him as a top ten, much less a top three player until someone did. I can't remember who was first (maybe Rob Rang?) but pretty soon the majority of mock drafts in the days immediately preceding the draft had Jackson accurately pegged to KC at 1.03. Why? Did they all of a sudden change their analysis of Jackson? Of course not. They followed the herd mentality. I believe this was a case of the original analyst (Rang?) getting good intel from a source because it initially came out of left field. As others tried to verify they found more smoke (often followed by fire) and they followed suit.I think Schefter more likely deduced a truth (call it an educated guess or intuition) as he said he hadn't talked with anyone inside the Rams organization in regards to Bradford. His simple clarity on the issue compelled others to follow suit...including the two who had been called out.In regards to Tebow, I believe he will be drafted 1.22 or higher. With that in mind, I believe someone in the legitimate NFL draft media will get wind of a team's interest. Perhaps more than one team. That person will use a combination of that intel with his intuition and state that Tebow will go in the first round. It will be seen as a bold, out of the box statement at first. By draft time, I think it will be the prevailing opinion. Then I actually think it will happen. Not because the pundits say it but because there will be truth behind the initial revelation.As for Banks, Kiper and McShay...I'll give them credit for archiving their old mocks so you can see what changes they made and WHEN they made them. A lot of places don't do that.

 

[Erin Go Bragh]

I want to be clear that I am not equating Rob Rang's status to Schefter's a-list profile. Again, I'm not sure it was Rang who was first on Tyson Jackson to KC last year but the point is that when a respected member of the NFL draft media (which Rang is) gets a piece of intel, others will eventually follow suit. Obviously, it takes a lot longer for that shift to occur when it comes from a guy like Rang compared to an ultra-high profile guy like Schefter.

 

[Ultima Thule]

You think Schefter changes public opinion with the people that matter? When he said Bradford to the Rams, that wasn't a big reach. Bradford is the top QB (last year too) and the Rams need a QB. A lot of people had Bradford possibly going to the Rams. Tebow is a totally different story. He's a 3rd or 4th round talent who couldn't even be a back-up right away. He's a project. Nobody, especially a team like the Pats, who have holes to fill to get back to elite status, and happen to have a great quarterback already, will take him in round one. Anywhere before round three is a reach..........

Go back and look at what was being said before Schefter said that about Bradford. Almost EVERYONE doing mocks had Suh or McCoy going #1. Within a week, you could barely find a mock that didn't have Bradford #1. There is a huge herd mentality among mock drafters (at least the mainstream ones) and they are all afraid to be the last one to the party.Go and look up the mocks for Don Banks (Sports Illustrated), Mel Kiper and Todd McShay *PRIOR* to Feb. 24 when they all had DTs going and Bradford going to Washington and then look up their very next version after Feb. 24 (the day Schefter basically called everyone stupid for not having Bradford #1). Well done, EGB. Well done.Here is a piece of the PFT story on Feb. 25:Said Schefter: "I would like to record something here, on February 24th. Two months from the draft. And tell you who the number one pick is gonna be right now. On the basis of what I've talked to people around the league [about], everything I've heard. And at some point it's gonna shift to this guy, and I don't know whether it'll be now or late March. It'll probably be after his Pro Day, when he goes through his Pro Day and goes through his workout. Then all of a sudden -- it'll be about a month from now -- we'll start hearing, 'Wow. Would and could the Rams take with the number one overall pick Sam Bradford?' "And I believe ultimately, when all is said and done, that the Rams' number one pick on April 22nd, two months from now, will be Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford. I'm willing to take all bets on that one right now."Schefter later said he hasn't spoken to the Rams about it, but that based on everything else he's heard he believes "there's no way" the Rams won't take Sam Bradford.Schefter also threw a politely-crafted dagger at ESPN draftniks Mel Kiper and Todd McShay, without accusing them of wearing sausage casing and/or being a Holden Caufield fantasy. "I notice that Sam Bradford is not in their top five," Schefter said of Kiper and McShay. "I can promise you that's wrong. I can promise you that's wrong."Now, again, look at the first post-Feb. 24 mock for those three major NFL / Draft analysts...they all had Bradford #1. What had changed for Bradford? Nothing. OK, he showed up at the combine having packed on some muscle but no one had seen him throw. Banks/Kiper/McShay were all of a sudden talking about the value of the QB position. What...they didn't know QBs were valuable before Schefter said what he did? It was comical how quickly it shifted and now look at the prevalence of Bradford at #1 in mocks everywhere. Groupthink is a definite phenomenon with mock drafters.You asked if I think Schefter changes public opinion with the people that matter. That depends upon who you are talking about. If you are talking about NFL decision makers then the answer is no. If you are talking about major members of the NFL draft media then, in this case, the answer is absolutely yes.It's not so much that it's Schefter himself. It could have been any other a-lister. The point is that as drafts approach, there inevitably is someone who is the first to either deduce or get tipped to the truth about what a certain team will do in regards to a certain player. Case in point: Tyson Jackson last year. No one had him as a top ten, much less a top three player until someone did. I can't remember who was first (maybe Rob Rang?) but pretty soon the majority of mock drafts in the days immediately preceding the draft had Jackson accurately pegged to KC at 1.03. Why? Did they all of a sudden change their analysis of Jackson? Of course not. They followed the herd mentality. I believe this was a case of the original analyst (Rang?) getting good intel from a source because it initially came out of left field. As others tried to verify they found more smoke (often followed by fire) and they followed suit.I think Schefter more likely deduced a truth (call it an educated guess or intuition) as he said he hadn't talked with anyone inside the Rams organization in regards to Bradford. His simple clarity on the issue compelled others to follow suit...including the two who had been called out.In regards to Tebow, I believe he will be drafted 1.22 or higher. With that in mind, I believe someone in the legitimate NFL draft media will get wind of a team's interest. Perhaps more than one team. That person will use a combination of that intel with his intuition and state that Tebow will go in the first round. It will be seen as a bold, out of the box statement at first. By draft time, I think it will be the prevailing opinion. Then I actually think it will happen. Not because the pundits say it but because there will be truth behind the initial revelation.As for Banks, Kiper and McShay...I'll give them credit for archiving their old mocks so you can see what changes they made and WHEN they made them. A lot of places don't do that.

 

[Erin Go Bragh]

This is hilarious...

Speaking of Rob Rang, I found a video of him dated Jan. 16, 2010 in which the interviewer suggests that there are a number of directions St. Louis could go at #1. Rang vehemently disagrees, saying "put it down right now, barring injury or some kind of catastrophic, you know, character concern, Ndamukong Suh is going #1 overall to the St. Louis Rams." Check out the 7:45 mark on the video.

http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/20...-at-2010-draft/

Who does Rang have going in his latest mock draft to St. Louis? Sam Bradford, of course. Could someone please update me on Suh's injury and/or catastropic character concerns? lol

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfldraftscout-RobRang

 

[offdee]

Can't remember his name but some NFL insider from Boston was on the Jim Rome radio show today. He basically said from everything he's hearing is that Tebow will go in the 1st round. He went on to say that he's completely polarizing in that you either love him as an NFL QB or hate him as an NFL QB, but all it takes is one team to want to look like the genius that picked him.

I personally think it's absolutely ridiculous to consider him in the 1st round....but if Matt Jones could go in the middle of the 1st round as a WR than it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Tebow go in the 1st round as a project QB.

 

[Erin Go Bragh]

Can't remember his name but some NFL insider from Boston was on the Jim Rome radio show today. He basically said from everything he's hearing is that Tebow will go in the 1st round. He went on to say that he's completely polarizing in that you either love him as an NFL QB or hate him as an NFL QB, but all it takes is one team to want to look like the genius that picked him.I personally think it's absolutely ridiculous to consider him in the 1st round....but if Matt Jones could go in the middle of the 1st round as a WR than it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Tebow go in the 1st round as a project QB.

I promise you I didn't hear that but it obviously doesn't surprise me.

 

[efactor]

You think Schefter changes public opinion with the people that matter? When he said Bradford to the Rams, that wasn't a big reach. Bradford is the top QB (last year too) and the Rams need a QB. A lot of people had Bradford possibly going to the Rams. Tebow is a totally different story. He's a 3rd or 4th round talent who couldn't even be a back-up right away. He's a project. Nobody, especially a team like the Pats, who have holes to fill to get back to elite status, and happen to have a great quarterback already, will take him in round one. Anywhere before round three is a reach.......... :(

Opinions. Everyone has one. Why is Tebow a project and Bradford isn't?

Are you seriously asking that question?Bradford, like virtually all rookie QBs will need some seasoning. The difference is that he doesn't have to change his entire game in order to play in the NFL. Bradford was considered a better prospect than Stafford, who was ready for the pro game as a rookie. Tebow is nowhere near ready to even see the field as a rookie. Totally different levels.............

 

[FreeBaGeL]

You think Schefter changes public opinion with the people that matter? When he said Bradford to the Rams, that wasn't a big reach. Bradford is the top QB (last year too) and the Rams need a QB. A lot of people had Bradford possibly going to the Rams. Tebow is a totally different story. He's a 3rd or 4th round talent who couldn't even be a back-up right away. He's a project. Nobody, especially a team like the Pats, who have holes to fill to get back to elite status, and happen to have a great quarterback already, will take him in round one. Anywhere before round three is a reach..........

At this point in 2006 Vince Young was considered maybe a 2nd rounder as a WR. By draft day, consensus was that he would go top 5 as a QB.At this point last year Sanchez sat firmly in the 2nd round. By draft day, everyone was chattering about who would trade up into the top 10 to get him.This happens every year. Not saying it will be Tebow this year, but there's typically one guy who's consensus value skyrockets in the month leading up to the draft, for no reason other than someone said it would and everyone else clutched on to it.

 

[kevjones22]

take the seahawks off that list, id quit watching forever

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Kind of a takeoff on the thread predicting that San Fran would take him if the Jags don't.I say that the buck stops with New England at 1.22 if they still own that pick on draft day. I predict we will start to hear stories in the days ahead that Tebow's stock is on the rise to the point that it will become the conventional wisdom by draft day that he is going to go in round one. Just like one day Schefter said forget Suh, it will be Bradford at 1.01 and all of a sudden there was a sea change in pubic opinion. The same thing will happen with Tebow.The Redskins, Browns, Bills, Jaguars, Seahawks or Patriots...one of those teams will take him...maybe not at their original draft spot. I could be wrong and a surprise team will grab him but the main point is that it will be done in the first 22 picks. Again, I do not think San Fran will be that team. I am quite confident in that.Oh yeah...he'll also be the second QB off the board after Bradford.I expect to be flamed mercilessly before and after the draft (if I'm wrong) for the prediction but that's OK.Keep an ear out for the Tebow draft rumor mill to get cranked up really soon. Just remember where you heard it first and I'll be back to take my medicine if I'm wrong.

you are ####### high.t-bo as qb2 off the board???

 

[munchkin]

Given the team needs, the Pats don't have the luxury of taking Tebow, especially not in the first round. I don't even think they will take him in the second. I suspect some other team will select him and the Pats will let out that they were considering him with their next pick give the Meyer/BB relationship. Also, the Pats have fared pretty well without investing high draft picks on QBs, so I'm not sure that they would change that philosophy now.

I actually kind of hope no one else takes him and the Pats come on the clock at 1.22 with Tebow still available. I'd like to see my theory put to the test. If everyone knew how Aaron Rodgers would turn out, wouldn't they have drafted him no matter what their QB situation looked like? Green Bay was 10-6 and division champs the year before they drafted Rodgers. But they obviously had needs because the team winded up going 4-12 the next year. Yet they took Rodgers because they felt the value was too good to pass up.I think the Patriots will feel the same way about Tebow. I also think they will suspect he will be gone by the time they pick in the second round. Time will tell. I think it won't happen this way because I think he'll already be off the board and you will claim that they wouldn't have taken him and I'll say they would have and there will be no way of knowing who was right.Either way, I've made my prediction and we'll see what happens. Only 29 days until the draft.Before we get there, we'll see if I'm right or not about the conventional wisdom switching to indicate that he is a likely first rounder. That will be step #1. Stay tuned...

Rodgers was a better NFL QB prospect when he came out than Tebow. Tebow is the table arrangement that looks real but on closer examination you recognize it for what it is; a mirage. There are more snake oil salesman in the NFL than there are selling futures on the stock exchange. Pete Carrol is just the latest example.As many have stated above; the Patriots have way too many needs to be wasting a pick on a project QB/H-Back who's a nice guy.

 

[Tanner9919]

You think Schefter changes public opinion with the people that matter? When he said Bradford to the Rams, that wasn't a big reach. Bradford is the top QB (last year too) and the Rams need a QB. A lot of people had Bradford possibly going to the Rams. Tebow is a totally different story. He's a 3rd or 4th round talent who couldn't even be a back-up right away. He's a project. Nobody, especially a team like the Pats, who have holes to fill to get back to elite status, and happen to have a great quarterback already, will take him in round one. Anywhere before round three is a reach..........

Opinions. Everyone has one. Why is Tebow a project and Bradford isn't? Bradford in your mind can step in and start from day 1? Hardly. Tebow played much better Ds who were faster and much higher ranked. He's more durable and they have about the same arm strength. He also can do a lot of things that Bradford can't, and has played top tier SEC NFL-style Ds with heavy pressure. These are things Bradford rarely saw behind his good O Line and mediocre competition.So, he gets drafted by St Louis. What do you see Bradford doing next year? In two years? Will he turn that franchise around?I'd say Bradford due to his fragility is much more riskier at 1.01 than Tebow is at 1.22. One mans 4th round pick is another mans first. There's really no such thing as a blue chip QB prospect. Also, it's your opinion he's a 3rd rounder. What his real value is will be from the teams who covet him, from his long history. I think Mccoy is a 5th round talent. I think Clausen is a third round talent. Notice something there?Everyone is drafted on potential. They are college players.I'd have no problems with the Chargers taking him in Round 1, especially since next preseason after a year with Norv, we could probably trade him for a lot more value. Honestly, given the Rams needs they'd be better served trading down and nabbing 2 players in the first round. If one of those two were Tebow at the bottom of the round, I think their team would be much, much better in the next 2 years than if they just grabbed Bradford, who by the way I think will be a nice NFL QB if he goes to a decent organization.

this is a very

 

[David Yudkin]

I don't think Tebow will be a great NFL prospect. A lot of people look at the winning aspect as if winning in college equates to winning in the NFL.

Danny Wuerffel at Florida went 45-6-1 as a starter and won the Heisman and the National Championship. Florida went 35-6 with Tebow (who also won the Heisman) in his last 3 seasons. Wuerful ended up as a 4th round pick and played 6 years as a backup in the pros.

Chris Weinke won the Heisman and a National Championship at Florida State and ended up 32-3 as a starter. He also was a 4th round pick. He wound up with a 2-18 record as a starter in the NFL.

Charlie Ward also won the Heisman (by over 1,600 votes compared to the runner up) and led Flordia State to the National Championship and went 23-2 as a starter. He didn't even get drafted.

Just because guys put up big stats or have great records as a college QB does not mean their game will translate into NFL success. All the guys I mentioned played against top tier schools and their teams were always at or near the top of the polls and played in high pressure games.

Beauty may very well be in the eye of the beholder, but there's a reason why a lot of folks don't have Tebow graded out very highly. I have nothing against Tebow and hope he does well, but many of the experts are openly questioning whether he can be a big contributor at the next level.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

No way Tebow goes in the 1st round.

 

[fsufan]

Can't remember his name but some NFL insider from Boston was on the Jim Rome radio show today. He basically said from everything he's hearing is that Tebow will go in the 1st round. He went on to say that he's completely polarizing in that you either love him as an NFL QB or hate him as an NFL QB, but all it takes is one team to want to look like the genius that picked him.I personally think it's absolutely ridiculous to consider him in the 1st round....but if Matt Jones could go in the middle of the 1st round as a WR than it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Tebow go in the 1st round as a project QB.

heard Mel Jr say all the teams he talks to do not think he is NFL QB material, I do not get him being drafted in the 1st either. if he does someone will just waste a 1st round pick just like Jville did on jones

 

[fsufan]

Chris Weinke won the Heisman and a National Championship at Florida State and ended up 32-3 as a starter. He also was a 4th round pick. He wound up with a 2-18 record as a starter in the NFL.Charlie Ward also won the Heisman (by over 1,600 votes compared to the runner up) and led Flordia State to the National Championship and went 23-2 as a starter. He didn't even get drafted.

easy on the FSU QBs do be fair to Ward he chose the NBA over the NFL and made the right decision

 

[Honda]

Prediction - teams talk a big game, but none of them have he nuts to take him in the first OR the second.

 

[munchkin]

NE in the second is more realistic, of course he'll be gone by then.

With Sorgi gone and your old coach showing all the man love maybe he ends up on the Colts?

 

[Wadsworth]

Tim Tebow has to be the most polarizing prospect I've ever seen enter the NFL draft. I've seen him project anywhere from top 10 to 4th round by decently respected draft people. But it is important to keep sight of the fact that the draft is not about consensus. The player is not drafted at the average spot he ranks on team boards, it only take one team to pull the trigger. If Ted Ginn, Troy Williamson, DHB and Donte Whitner can show up in the top 10 on draft day, why can't Tebow show up in the first round?

Some team will fall in love with his intangibles and rockstar status. Some coach will think he can mold the mechanics but you can't teach that kind of work ethic and leadership. Some owner will drool over all the press and jersey sales he'll generate. It just takes one.

Come draft time I'm betting (literally, I have a lot of bets on this) that Tebow goes much earlier than a lot of folks around here seem to think. Should he? Nope, but he will.

 

[Wadsworth]

NE in the second is more realistic, of course he'll be gone by then.

With Sorgi gone and your old coach showing all the man love maybe he ends up on the Colts?

The Colts are a very interesting landing spot for Timmy. He can develop behind the master for years to come and in the meantime maybe be useful in specific packages. Tim Tebow is likely the greatest short yardage QB in the history of college football and the Colts may have lost the Super Bowl last season because they couldn't convert short yardage situations. Also, Polian is secure enough in his job that he can afford to swing for the fences so to speak with drafting Tebow early. If it pays off Polian is a genius if not, his legacy is strong enough that one pick isn't going to stain it.

 

[Chase Stuart]

NE in the second is more realistic, of course he'll be gone by then.

With Sorgi gone and your old coach showing all the man love maybe he ends up on the Colts?

The Colts are a very interesting landing spot for Timmy. He can develop behind the master for years to come and in the meantime maybe be useful in specific packages. Tim Tebow is likely the greatest short yardage QB in the history of college football and the Colts may have lost the Super Bowl last season because they couldn't convert short yardage situations. Also, Polian is secure enough in his job that he can afford to swing for the fences so to speak with drafting Tebow early. If it pays off Polian is a genius if not, his legacy is strong enough that one pick isn't going to stain it.

So on 3rd and 1 the Colts are going to take Manning off the field? I just don't see that happening.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

NE in the second is more realistic, of course he'll be gone by then.

With Sorgi gone and your old coach showing all the man love maybe he ends up on the Colts?

The Colts are a very interesting landing spot for Timmy. He can develop behind the master for years to come and in the meantime maybe be useful in specific packages. Tim Tebow is likely the greatest short yardage QB in the history of college football and the Colts may have lost the Super Bowl last season because they couldn't convert short yardage situations. Also, Polian is secure enough in his job that he can afford to swing for the fences so to speak with drafting Tebow early. If it pays off Polian is a genius if not, his legacy is strong enough that one pick isn't going to stain it.

So on 3rd and 1 the Colts are going to take Manning off the field? I just don't see that happening.

Good point. But it could actually save Manning from injury risk situations and maybe improve the odds with some kind of option package they can't run now.

 

[David Yudkin]

NE in the second is more realistic, of course he'll be gone by then.

With Sorgi gone and your old coach showing all the man love maybe he ends up on the Colts?

The Colts are a very interesting landing spot for Timmy. He can develop behind the master for years to come and in the meantime maybe be useful in specific packages. Tim Tebow is likely the greatest short yardage QB in the history of college football and the Colts may have lost the Super Bowl last season because they couldn't convert short yardage situations. Also, Polian is secure enough in his job that he can afford to swing for the fences so to speak with drafting Tebow early. If it pays off Polian is a genius if not, his legacy is strong enough that one pick isn't going to stain it.

So on 3rd and 1 the Colts are going to take Manning off the field? I just don't see that happening.

Good point. But it could actually save Manning from injury risk situations and maybe improve the odds with some kind of option package they can't run now.

I agree with Chase. I'd love to hear of situations where your team would want to take out one of the greatest QBs of all time for Tim Tebow (and think that your team had a greater chance of success in doing so). This applies to the Patriots as well.

 

[Sweet Love]

NE in the second is more realistic, of course he'll be gone by then.

With Sorgi gone and your old coach showing all the man love maybe he ends up on the Colts?

Not necessarily the Colts, but this is my line of thinking that he goes somewhere with an established QB in place. Maybe a Dallas in the late first (or they trade down a tad), or a Houston in the second? I just can't see him going to a place like Buffalo or Carolina where they will be calling for him after week 2. EVERYONE realizes he needs more seasoning than the typical top 4 round rookie, and I can't imagine a team would want to be put in that position so early in the year.

 

[Wadsworth]

I agree with Chase. I'd love to hear of situations where your team would want to take out one of the greatest QBs of all time for Tim Tebow (and think that your team had a greater chance of success in doing so). This applies to the Patriots as well.

I agree, I can't see the Colts taking Manning off the field in that situation. It would have to be some sort of special package were Tebow was more often a decoy but had specific plays that call his number. I was just trying to find a way Tim could be useful while developing and Tim's skill set is very well matched to short yardage situations. I can't recall the actual numbers at UF but his conversion on 3rd or 4th and 1 was pretty sick. Of course he was lining up behind the Pouncey boys and working against college players, so it could be somewhat inflated.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

So on 3rd and 1 the Colts are going to take Manning off the field? I just don't see that happening.

Good point. But it could actually save Manning from injury risk situations and maybe improve the odds with some kind of option package they can't run now.

I agree with Chase. I'd love to hear of situations where your team would want to take out one of the greatest QBs of all time for Tim Tebow (and think that your team had a greater chance of success in doing so). This applies to the Patriots as well.

Funny that BB took a reaming for thinking the same thing in the NE/Indy game this year, trying to put the game in the hands of one of the greatest QBs of all time rather than put it in the hands of a porous defense against one of the other greatest QBs of all-time.But really, is having Tebow line up and run on 4th and 1 that different from handing the ball off to Joseph Addai on 4th and 1? Either way you're taking it out of Peyton's hands, and I don't think anyone here is saying that you should always pass on key short yardage situations if you have a great QB.

 

[Erin Go Bragh]

Tim Tebow has to be the most polarizing prospect I've ever seen enter the NFL draft. I've seen him project anywhere from top 10 to 4th round by decently respected draft people. But it is important to keep sight of the fact that the draft is not about consensus. The player is not drafted at the average spot he ranks on team boards, it only take one team to pull the trigger. If Ted Ginn, Troy Williamson, DHB and Donte Whitner can show up in the top 10 on draft day, why can't Tebow show up in the first round? Some team will fall in love with his intangibles and rockstar status. Some coach will think he can mold the mechanics but you can't teach that kind of work ethic and leadership. Some owner will drool over all the press and jersey sales he'll generate. It just takes one.Come draft time I'm betting (literally, I have a lot of bets on this) that Tebow goes much earlier than a lot of folks around here seem to think. Should he? Nope, but he will.

Absolutely agree and I want to be clear that I am not saying that he is or isn't worthy of a top 22 pick but that is where I think he will go.

 

[David Yudkin]

So on 3rd and 1 the Colts are going to take Manning off the field? I just don't see that happening.

Good point. But it could actually save Manning from injury risk situations and maybe improve the odds with some kind of option package they can't run now.

I agree with Chase. I'd love to hear of situations where your team would want to take out one of the greatest QBs of all time for Tim Tebow (and think that your team had a greater chance of success in doing so). This applies to the Patriots as well.

Funny that BB took a reaming for thinking the same thing in the NE/Indy game this year, trying to put the game in the hands of one of the greatest QBs of all time rather than put it in the hands of a porous defense against one of the other greatest QBs of all-time.But really, is having Tebow line up and run on 4th and 1 that different from handing the ball off to Joseph Addai on 4th and 1? Either way you're taking it out of Peyton's hands, and I don't think anyone here is saying that you should always pass on key short yardage situations if you have a great QB.

I still think the Pats made the 4th and 2, but the officials saw it differently. And we have no idea what would have happened with Tebow in instead. And that still wouldn't justify him getting picked with teh 22nd overall pick.

 

[munchkin]

So on 3rd and 1 the Colts are going to take Manning off the field? I just don't see that happening.

Good point. But it could actually save Manning from injury risk situations and maybe improve the odds with some kind of option package they can't run now.

I agree with Chase. I'd love to hear of situations where your team would want to take out one of the greatest QBs of all time for Tim Tebow (and think that your team had a greater chance of success in doing so). This applies to the Patriots as well.

Funny that BB took a reaming for thinking the same thing in the NE/Indy game this year, trying to put the game in the hands of one of the greatest QBs of all time rather than put it in the hands of a porous defense against one of the other greatest QBs of all-time.But really, is having Tebow line up and run on 4th and 1 that different from handing the ball off to Joseph Addai on 4th and 1? Either way you're taking it out of Peyton's hands, and I don't think anyone here is saying that you should always pass on key short yardage situations if you have a great QB.

With Manning in the game there is the threat that one of the best QB's in the game may pass the ball; you lose that with Tebow taking the hand-off. Addai is a better runner than Tebow.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Solution: Use both QBs + Addai in the Double Shotgun Formation™

That should confuse the defenses.

 

[gandalas]

Charlie Ward also won the Heisman (by over 1,600 votes compared to the runner up) and led Flordia State to the National Championship and went 23-2 as a starter. He didn't even get drafted.

Per his Wikipedia article: "Upon graduation, Ward stated he was undecided about professional basketball or football and made it clear that he would not consider playing in the NFL unless selected in the first round of the 1994 NFL Draft."I am QUITE sure that he would have been drafted, if he did not have options in both Baseball AND the NBA (drafted 1st round in NBA, Drafted in Baseball draft in both 1993 and 1994).

 

[David Yudkin]

Charlie Ward also won the Heisman (by over 1,600 votes compared to the runner up) and led Flordia State to the National Championship and went 23-2 as a starter. He didn't even get drafted.

Per his Wikipedia article: "Upon graduation, Ward stated he was undecided about professional basketball or football and made it clear that he would not consider playing in the NFL unless selected in the first round of the 1994 NFL Draft."I am QUITE sure that he would have been drafted, if he did not have options in both Baseball AND the NBA (drafted 1st round in NBA, Drafted in Baseball draft in both 1993 and 1994).

Either way, despite an impeccable record on the field, titles, hardware, and impressive statistics, no team in the NFL was compelled to invest a first round pick on Ward.The thread was about Tebow going in the first round. We've seen other guys like Tebow before and many times they have not gone in the first round and/or have not turned into great QBs. Clearly, every player is different and every environment is different, so what happened to others has no direct bearing on what will happen to Tebow. Who knows, maybe he will be different . . .

 

[lynx4ben]

It just seems to me that there are too many good players on both sides of the ball in this years draft to take a chance on tebow in round one. The only way I see it happening is maybe via trade up as teams try to leapfrog those at the top of the second. Still though if you are doing that he's definitely not the BPA at that point.

 

[massraider]

We have heard from too many people (that speak to NFL people) that state that people either love or hate Tebow.

It seems like someone that loves Tebow is going to draft him. And if you love a guy, and he plays QB, you take him early.

 

[Jayded]

Complete shot in the dark here on Tebow (and I hope my fellow team fans don't lambaste me for this) but I could see him fall to the second round and be an interesting option for the Texans.

If I'm them I consider whether he can be a legitimate weapon to add to an already potent offense by possibly running the Wild Cat. It also would provide him the opportunity to sit behind an entrenched starter and learn to play QB in a true NFL west coast system. Let's say it doesn't work out at QB, the Texans have an unstable rotation of backs as well. Maybe they initially give him an opportunity to be a QB but realize he's a better fit for RB and shift him that way.

I know it's EXTREMELY unlikely to happen, but just a random fart in the wind concerning a team I follow.

 

[ChargersOH]

People seem to think Tebow's mostly a Wildcat QB. While he did run out of the spread, the guy was a 68% passer last year with some of his best weapons gone to the NFL. He threw for over 9000 yards in college. He is very accurate down field. Now that his windup is being truncated, this should actually help his shorter routes which were a problem for him sometimes.

Wildcat runners in the NFL are essentially RBs lining up in the QB slot. Tebow in the NFL just doesn't have the speed to be one. Mcnabb who is more of a runner did a sub 4.5. Tebow did a 4.7 What he does have is the ability to scramble and be a la Roethlisberger, tough to bring down.

I find it interesting some say why take a chance on Tebow when there are better players. I personally wave the BS flag. Tebow is an amazing NFL prospect. I know some people covet a guard over a potential starting franchise QB, but that just boggles my mind. Half the guys drafted in the first round won't pan out close to potential. A good chunk of them will take the large check and immediately head to the hood and headlines for stupidity. Cleveland will probably draft Haden. It'll be fun watching Holmes, Ward, Ochocinco and Bryant run right past him all year.

If you think your team without a star QB should pass on Tebow for a sure fire guy, you should go read draft histories. It's a shame Tebow isn't loved on as much as Jamarcus was. What was it Mcshay and Kiper said about Russell again?

 

[offdee]

If you think your team without a star QB should pass on Tebow for a sure fire guy, you should go read draft histories. It's a shame Tebow isn't loved on as much as Jamarcus was. What was it Mcshay and Kiper said about Russell again?

There's no way to defend JaMarcus here so not even going to attempt that. But on the Tebow front he has 3 major flaws...average arm strength, slow/long delivery and terrible accuracy. Combine these traits and it's the kiss of death for an NFL QB.A QB can have one of these traits and still be somewhat successful at this level, but when you're below average on one of these you better be well above average in another to make up for it. Chad Pennington is a good example, below average arm strength, but the pinpoint accuracy gave him life as an NFL starter for a few years.I don't care how much Tebow works on his mechanics, once he gets back in the line of fire he will revert back to his natural ways and will be the death of him amongst the speed of this level.

 

[massraider]

the guy was a 68% passer last year

What was it Mark Twain said about statistics?

 

[Leroy Hoard]

the guy was a 68% passer last year

What was it Mark Twain said about statistics?

50% of them are wrong about half the time?

 

[massraider]

the guy was a 68% passer last year

What was it Mark Twain said about statistics?

50% of them are wrong about half the time?

Give or take.

 

[css2373]

If you think your team without a star QB should pass on Tebow for a sure fire guy, you should go read draft histories. It's a shame Tebow isn't loved on as much as Jamarcus was. What was it Mcshay and Kiper said about Russell again?

There's no way to defend JaMarcus here so not even going to attempt that. But on the Tebow front he has 3 major flaws...average arm strength, slow/long delivery and terrible accuracy. Combine these traits and it's the kiss of death for an NFL QB.A QB can have one of these traits and still be somewhat successful at this level, but when you're below average on one of these you better be well above average in another to make up for it. Chad Pennington is a good example, below average arm strength, but the pinpoint accuracy gave him life as an NFL starter for a few years.I don't care how much Tebow works on his mechanics, once he gets back in the line of fire he will revert back to his natural ways and will be the death of him amongst the speed of this level.

No way to defend JaMarcus now, but coming out of college some people were seriously fooled by him. I had a bunch of people over to watch the LSU Florida game in 2006, his last year. Just watching that game, EVERYBODY at my place knew he was way over his head playing QB. Without all of his turnovers, LSU wins that game. And his turnovers were horrible, some of the worst I have ever seen. But hearing McShay and Kiper hype a QB means nothing to me at all.I am tired of people repeating what they hear others say about the mechanics of playing QB. Unless you have played the position at any level, I believe you have no idea what goes on. The MAJOR factor to Tebow's mechanics is the separation between his top half and bottom half of his body, they are not in synch. He is now trying to take a shorter step with his front foot which will allow him to shorten his delivery and give him the proper hip rotation. Accuracy comes from proper foot placement which can be corrected. However, Tebow's biggest hurdle will be his decision making which, to me, has never been crisp and decisive. Again to me, this will be his tipping point.And the whole reverting back to his old ways, I guess all the hours I put in to changing my backhand in tennis and my follow through and putting stroke in golf are for not. And here I thought that it was muscle memory.