Prediction: Tebow goes in the first 22 picks (1 Viewer)

[offdee]

I am tired of people repeating what they hear others say about the mechanics of playing QB. Unless you have played the position at any level, I believe you have no idea what goes on.

I have played the position with success and fully know about QB mechanics with my own eyes and not just what pundits say. Tebow's issue is that he throws the ball like a javelin and this is impossible to have consistent pinpoint accuracy with. He's always lunging forward which is what he believe in his muscle twitch to create velocity. The real key in accuracy is being able to throw off of your plant foot and using your front foot as a guide for accuracy. Your hips and shoulder work in unison to create velocity while at the same time maintaining the correct direction and flight pattern (and resulting tight spiral to cut through the air and reach the target sooner).

Because Tebow throwns mainly with a forward lunging motion off of his front foot (think javelin thrower) is why he's not consistently accurate and more often than not hoisting up wobbly balls. Gaining muscle memory for your backhand in tennis or backswing in golf is nothing like training your body to do it in the line of fire when you have 2 seconds of reaction time with 300+ dudes flying all around you like shrapnel. He can make it look decent during workouts in shorts, but doing it on the field in actual game activity is a whole nother story.

 

[Buckna]

At this point in 2006 Vince Young was considered maybe a 2nd rounder as a WR. By draft day, consensus was that he would go top 5 as a QB.At this point last year Sanchez sat firmly in the 2nd round. By draft day, everyone was chattering about who would trade up into the top 10 to get him.

That's some pretty wacky revisionist history there. Not that your ultimate point wasn't valid, just your examples.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I don't think Tebow will be a great NFL prospect. A lot of people look at the winning aspect as if winning in college equates to winning in the NFL.Danny Wuerffel at Florida went 45-6-1 as a starter and won the Heisman and the National Championship. Florida went 35-6 with Tebow (who also won the Heisman) in his last 3 seasons. Wuerful ended up as a 4th round pick and played 6 years as a backup in the pros.Chris Weinke won the Heisman and a National Championship at Florida State and ended up 32-3 as a starter. He also was a 4th round pick. He wound up with a 2-18 record as a starter in the NFL.Charlie Ward also won the Heisman (by over 1,600 votes compared to the runner up) and led Flordia State to the National Championship and went 23-2 as a starter. He didn't even get drafted.Just because guys put up big stats or have great records as a college QB does not mean their game will translate into NFL success. All the guys I mentioned played against top tier schools and their teams were always at or near the top of the polls and played in high pressure games.Beauty may very well be in the eye of the beholder, but there's a reason why a lot of folks don't have Tebow graded out very highly. I have nothing against Tebow and hope he does well, but many of the experts are openly questioning whether he can be a big contributor at the next level.

What no tale about Gino Toretta?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Tim Tebow has to be the most polarizing prospect I've ever seen enter the NFL draft. I've seen him project anywhere from top 10 to 4th round by decently respected draft people. But it is important to keep sight of the fact that the draft is not about consensus. The player is not drafted at the average spot he ranks on team boards, it only take one team to pull the trigger. If Ted Ginn, Troy Williamson, DHB and Donte Whitner can show up in the top 10 on draft day, why can't Tebow show up in the first round?

Some team will fall in love with his intangibles and rockstar status. Some coach will think he can mold the mechanics but you can't teach that kind of work ethic and leadership. Some owner will drool over all the press and jersey sales he'll generate. It just takes one.

Come draft time I'm betting (literally, I have a lot of bets on this) that Tebow goes much earlier than a lot of folks around here seem to think. Should he? Nope, but he will.

true, but those are all largely seen as crap picks too.

 

[David Yudkin]

What no tale about Gino Toretta?

23-1 as a starter at Miami. National Championship, Heisman winner. 7th round pick. Played in 2 NFL games in his entire career bouncing around 5 NFL franchises.

 

[css2373]

I am tired of people repeating what they hear others say about the mechanics of playing QB. Unless you have played the position at any level, I believe you have no idea what goes on.

I have played the position with success and fully know about QB mechanics with my own eyes and not just what pundits say. Tebow's issue is that he throws the ball like a javelin and this is impossible to have consistent pinpoint accuracy with. He's always lunging forward which is what he believe in his muscle twitch to create velocity. The real key in accuracy is being able to throw off of your plant foot and using your front foot as a guide for accuracy. Your hips and shoulder work in unison to create velocity while at the same time maintaining the correct direction and flight pattern (and resulting tight spiral to cut through the air and reach the target sooner).

Because Tebow throwns mainly with a forward lunging motion off of his front foot (think javelin thrower) is why he's not consistently accurate and more often than not hoisting up wobbly balls. Gaining muscle memory for your backhand in tennis or backswing in golf is nothing like training your body to do it in the line of fire when you have 2 seconds of reaction time with 300+ dudes flying all around you like shrapnel. He can make it look decent during workouts in shorts, but doing it on the field in actual game activity is a whole nother story.

Well then we will have to disagree on proper mechanics. I will speak from my own experience. I don't think that it is his mechanics that cause his accuracy issues. To me, that comes from eye hand coordination and feel for the game. Being accurate while throwing off your front foot is great, but as you know since you were a successful QB, NFL QB's have to be accurate while throwing off balance, off of their back foot...accuracy comes from vision and feel, mechanics allow you to properly deliver the ball on time and where you want to put it. And I don't know how you were able to throw with your hips and shoulders in unison as my hips always opened up before my shoulder rotation was completed. When I throw a football or baseball, I use why hips to whip my arms and shoulders around.

Now that I am older and have moved on to non-contact sports such as tennis and golf, I can still apply the same techniques to correcting bad habits, just like I did when pitching in baseball and playing QB in football.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Where is this idea that he has terrible accuracy coming from? He completed 68% of his passes, and despite people's misconceptions just as large a percentage of those were downfield passes as anyone else. People seem to think that all Florida ever ran were screens and shovel passes or something. I'm not sure they ran a single screen all year during his senior season.

I wouldn't say his accuracy is top of the line or anything, by any stretch, but it's far from awful. If Tebow were as inaccurate as everyone says, Florida never would have won the national title in his Junior year because they won both the SEC Championship and National Championship games on the backs of some supremely accurate throws by Tebow in some supremely important situations.

 

[ChargersOH]

I'm not sure how one can state he has average arm strength and below average accuracy. All his scouting reports list arm strength as a positive, he can make all the throws, and his accuracy is also very good.

The windup and motion in games is a valid concern. It's a question of if you think coaching will fit. I personally think you can teach a fumbler to hold the ball better, a la Tiki Barber, and you can certainly coach quarterbacks. It has been done and translated into games. Aaron Rogers is a great example of that.

Will Tebow succeed? Who knows. QB is a crapshoot. However, I think people rag on him unfairly because of who he is, and his polarizing nature. I think he's a better prospect then Clausen or Mccoy, personally.

 

[TitusIII]

We will certainly find out who the moron at the GM table is...if this happens, of course...

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

What no tale about Gino Toretta?

23-1 as a starter at Miami. National Championship, Heisman winner. 7th round pick. Played in 2 NFL games in his entire career bouncing around 5 NFL franchises.

I think this was when I realized that winning the Heisman is a joke. I grew up as a kid thinking that the Heisman was for the best college athlete, and of course meant in my mind that that person should be one of the top rookie players (at least in the skilled positions) in the NFL.I can't point a finger but it was right about then when I stopped watching Heisman winner's. I can remember making sure I watched the announcing of it every year like it was a big deal, like it meant something. I remember people saying he was going to win and I was like no way, somebody will see right through those numbers and pick a real football player.

 

[Erin Go Bragh]

From PFT:

Tebow challenge will cause someone to take a chance on him early

Posted by Mike Florio on March 27, 2010 10:11 AM ET

Plenty of you have complained about the number of Tim Tebow stories on the site. The traffic generated by each story suggests a different sentiment.

Though we won't be flooding the site (some of you are saying, "Aren't you already?") with tales of Tebow, we will continue to follow the same principle that has guided us since November 1, 2001: If it's interesting to us, we'll assume it'll be interesting to you.

And here's something interesting we've heard recently regarding Tebow. A league source with extensive experience regarding the way teams think and operate told me Friday that he's convinced someone will jump on Tebow late in round one or early in round two for the opportunity to turn Tebow into a great quarterback.

"Someone will want to be the guy who turned Tebow into a star," the source said. "There's nothing to lose. Everyone expects him to struggle."

That's precisely why Packers coach Mike McCarthy recently told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that he'd "love the opportunity to develop him."

It's a twist on the more usual situation in which a highly-talented player has off-field issues or on-field attitudes that undermine his performance. Every coach believes that he's the coach to get through to the guy and change him. Thus, every coach will now believe that he's the coach to mold Tebow's talent and intangibles into greatness.

It also suggests to us that head coaches with an offensive background will be more likely to take Tebow, since those coaches will be in a better position to roll up their sleeves and become personally involved with the development of the player. One notable exception would be Cleveland, where the coach, Eric Mangini, has a defensive background but the guy calling the shots, Mike Holmgren, knows a thing or two about taking a raw talent and transforming him into a Hall of Famer.

Our best guess at this point is that a team that truly covets him will jump into the bottom of round one to get him, possibly before the team that currently employs Holmgren's greatest triumph gets a chance to give Tebow a year to learn from him directly.

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Just another small step on the road to the consensus belief that Tebow will be a first rounder.

 

[Wadsworth]

From PFT:

Tebow challenge will cause someone to take a chance on him early...

Posted by Mike Florio on March 27, 2010 10:11 AM ET

Plenty of you have complained about the number of Tim Tebow stories on the site...h

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Just another small step on the road to the consensus belief that Tebow will be a first rounder.

Yep. And it's not Tebow the player so much that is driving this train toward the first round. It's his rockstar status and character. People like him and teams want to be associated with him. The star potential if he ever develops is off the chart. Some team is going to take a chance on him early.

 

[Erin Go Bragh]

From Peter King's MMQB column:

The 32 first-round picks ... with a couple of asterisks.

Over the last couple of weeks, as I prepare to stick my size 14s into Dr. Z's size-55 shoes for the second time as SI's mock drafter, I've been asking NFL people about the pool of picks. Not necessarily where the players are going, but who the 32 lucky college prospects will be. I solidified over the weekend what I'm thinking (subject to change, of course), so here are the 32 players I think have the best chance to go in the first round in 24 days:

Offense (17)

Quarterbacks (3): Sam Bradford, Jimmy Clausen, Tim Tebow.

Running back (2): C.J. Spiller, Ryan Matthews.

Wide receiver (2): Dez Bryant, DeMaryius Thomas.

Tight end (2): Jermaine Gresham, Rob Gronkowski.

Center (1): Maurkice Pouncey.

Guard (1): Mike Iupati.

Tackle (6): Russell Okung, Bryan Bulaga, Anthony Davis, Trent Williams, Charles Brown, Bruce Campbell.

Defense (15)

End/Outside linebacker (5): Derrick Morgan, Jason Pierre-Paul, Brandon Graham, Sergio Kindle, Sean Weatherspoon.

Tackle (4): Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Dan Williams, Jared Odrick.

Cornerback (3): Joe Haden, Kyle Wilson, Devin McCourty.

Safety (2): Eric Berry, Taylor Mays.

Inside/middle linebacker (1): Rolando McClain.

Most likely to fall out of the first round: T Bruce Campbell.

Most likely to be in the first round among those I didn't choose: S Earl Thomas.

 

[Erin Go Bragh]

Let's see...reports of Tebow as first rounder ramping up as the draft nears: CHECK

Tebow selected in first 22 picks: missed it by three

Tebow second QB off the board while Clausen waits: CHECK

Sorry I was so way off.

 

[fsufan]

Let's see...reports of Tebow as first rounder ramping up as the draft nears: CHECKTebow selected in first 22 picks: missed it by threeTebow second QB off the board while Clausen waits: CHECKSorry I was so way off.

that was a terrible trade to get Tebow, Denver is the new raiders