Prelim cheatsheets -- seem off to me in these spots (1 Viewer)

[GreenNGold]

First, I just want to say I think 99% of the info on this site is absolutely great -- and I couldn't live without it! However, the reason I write this is because I think the weekly cheatsheets have some definite room for improvement.

I think the problem is that they are currently putting way too much emphasis on the opponent, as opposed how a player/team is performing. One of the lessons I have learned over the years is you don't bench your studs for a mediocre player just because of the match up.

Looking at the QB's, Favre and Roeth look way underated to me again. In my league, they are currently ranked as the #6 and #7 QB's YTD. So how are they ranked 12th, and 18th? (With Roeth at 18th the being the bigger mistake). I also feel Derek Anderson is ranked too low as well.

I feel they both should be rated higher than following: Cutler, Palmer, Rivers, McNabb, and Kitna. Roeth should also be higher than Garcia, Huard, Culpepper, Campbell, and Losman. Some of those are close but that's how I have them rated.

Some other things I noticed at first glance:

Ahman Green should not be in the top 30 at RB.

Lee Evans is not the #7 receiver, no matter who he is playing next week. He is far from proving he is back.

Again, I'm not trying to rip the site, and hope this is viewed as constructuve criticism. I very well could be wrong, but just wanted to point out what appears (to me) an area that I think has room for improvement, and I think the solution is to put a little less weight into the opponent (that should be a factor, just not as big as it is currently being made out to be), and more emphasis back into the how the player and team are performing.

 

[Beau Tocks]

I suggest you go rake some leaves, take the cheat sheets with a grain of salt and go with your gut.

 

[3nOut]

I may be wrong, but in years past, I think FBGs used computer simulations to come up with their projections and rankings. not sure if they still do. In that respect, I think relying solely on stats/numbers is a fault of FBGs. I would have prefered to see them give their opinions/ranks on their gut feeling rather than what their computer program spits out.

 

[BusterTBronco]

Yes, and they have Kitna at #11. Just like Favre and Roethlisberger before him, I expect that Kitna will have a huge day at home against the Broncos. If they are using statistical models to make these projections, someone REALLY needs to get in there and adjust the SOS weight for the Broncos pass defense.

 

[Banger]

Everyone has their own value for players and as Joe B. has said on a near weekly basis, the Tuesday cheatsheet is a guide and based largely on incomplete info and they really don't like doing them but customers have requested it so they do it.

I don't really understand the need to call out FBG on the cheatsheet rankings week after week. If you often look at the projected points the difference between the #6 and #12 ranked QB it's often less than 2 pts.

 

[Kiddnets]

I am going Beg Ben this week vs the Raven D - think they wil shut down the run as usual so Pitt will have to pass. See him having a good but not great day - certainly better than where he is beign projected. Ben is having an outstandign year and finally has all his weapons healthy.

 

[joffer]

I think the problem is that they are currently putting way too much emphasis on the opponent, as opposed how a player/team is performing. One

I've found that the prelim rankings are weighted more towards the former, and then adjusted slightly later in the week based on the latter. we'll see.

 

[GreenNGold]

Everyone has their own value for players and as Joe B. has said on a near weekly basis, the Tuesday cheatsheet is a guide and based largely on incomplete info and they really don't like doing them but customers have requested it so they do it. I don't really understand the need to call out FBG on the cheatsheet rankings week after week. If you often look at the projected points the difference between the #6 and #12 ranked QB it's often less than 2 pts.

It is the prelim, so we will see how it changes as the week goes on, but other than injury updates, what is the incomplete data that would make a major difference between now and Sunday? I would think the top reason people subscribe to this site is for the cheatsheets (both the pre-season rankings and the week to week ones). So to say they don't want to do them does not make sense to me. Unless Joe just means they don't like doing the prelimnary ones on Tuesday, which I could understand. The other articles are great, but the cheatsheets are the bread & butter.

 

[Banger]

Everyone has their own value for players and as Joe B. has said on a near weekly basis, the Tuesday cheatsheet is a guide and based largely on incomplete info and they really don't like doing them but customers have requested it so they do it. I don't really understand the need to call out FBG on the cheatsheet rankings week after week. If you often look at the projected points the difference between the #6 and #12 ranked QB it's often less than 2 pts.

It is the prelim, so we will see how it changes as the week goes on, but other than injury updates, what is the incomplete data that would make a major difference between now and Sunday? I would think the top reason people subscribe to this site is for the cheatsheets (both the pre-season rankings and the week to week ones). So to say they don't want to do them does not make sense to me. Unless Joe just means they don't like doing the prelimnary ones on Tuesday, which I could understand. The other articles are great, but the cheatsheets are the bread & butter.

Yes, the prelim Tuesday cheatsheets. So if A. Green is out he definitely won't be in the top 30, he's not ruled out as yet and since he's the best RB in Houston he's slotted accordingly. Evans is playing against the 28th ranked pass defense and he's been the #11 wr over the past 2 weeks.

 

[gheemony]

The system seems to be working pretty good this year:

1. The prelim cheatsheets give everyone a quick idea of general tiers, with (I think) more emphasis on matchups. I think they really rely on the Game Predictor.

2. Bloom chimes in with his Second Opinion, which seems to based on his significant experience (analyzing matchup, talent, momentum).

3. Joe then updates with Sig's input as well as his own thoughts.

4. The sheets get updated through out the week based on injury info, weather.

It's worked pretty well for me.

Keep in mind that some players are not that far apart in projections. The #10 and #18 WR may be separated by 1 pt or less. In those cases, I inject my own gut feeling and pick a player. I have to say, my gut has been wrong more often than FBG has.

 

[corpcow]

I would think the top reason people subscribe to this site is for the cheatsheets (both the pre-season rankings and the week to week ones). So to say they don't want to do them does not make sense to me. Unless Joe just means they don't like doing the prelimnary ones on Tuesday, which I could understand. The other articles are great, but the cheatsheets are the bread & butter.

To each their own, but the cheatsheets are not what I consider "the bread & butter" of the site. They are nice, quick aggregation of all the other data on the site, but I wouldn't subscribe if it were not for the other tools, articles and data.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

This weeks seem fine. But Kitna and FWP are still way too high in the top 250 forward.

 

[Wu-banger]

the Prelim sheets can be a little scary ......... but most weekseverything is straightened out by the Final Sheets.

 

[thayman]

First, I just want to say I think 99% of the info on this site is absolutely great -- and I couldn't live without it! However, the reason I write this is because I think the weekly cheatsheets have some definite room for improvement.

I think the problem is that they are currently putting way too much emphasis on the opponent, as opposed how a player/team is performing. One of the lessons I have learned over the years is you don't bench your studs for a mediocre player just because of the match up.

Looking at the QB's, Favre and Roeth look way underated to me again. In my league, they are currently ranked as the #6 and #7 QB's YTD. So how are they ranked 12th, and 18th? (With Roeth at 18th the being the bigger mistake). I also feel Derek Anderson is ranked too low as well.

I feel they both should be rated higher than following: Cutler, Palmer, Rivers, McNabb, and Kitna. Roeth should also be higher than Garcia, Huard, Culpepper, Campbell, and Losman. Some of those are close but that's how I have them rated.

Some other things I noticed at first glance:

Ahman Green should not be in the top 30 at RB.

Lee Evans is not the #7 receiver, no matter who he is playing next week. He is far from proving he is back.

Again, I'm not trying to rip the site, and hope this is viewed as constructuve criticism. I very well could be wrong, but just wanted to point out what appears (to me) an area that I think has room for improvement, and I think the solution is to put a little less weight into the opponent (that should be a factor, just not as big as it is currently being made out to be), and more emphasis back into the how the player and team are performing.

You say it should be weighed more towards how the players performed. Yet McNabb had a better game than Big Ben.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

For whatever it's worth the Ravens just demolished Ben last year. I know it's a new year and things are different, but that may contribute to the thinking.

 

[Da Guru]

First, I just want to say I think 99% of the info on this site is absolutely great -- and I couldn't live without it! However, the reason I write this is because I think the weekly cheatsheets have some definite room for improvement. I think the problem is that they are currently putting way too much emphasis on the opponent, as opposed how a player/team is performing. One of the lessons I have learned over the years is you don't bench your studs for a mediocre player just because of the match up. Looking at the QB's, Favre and Roeth look way underated to me again. In my league, they are currently ranked as the #6 and #7 QB's YTD. So how are they ranked 12th, and 18th? (With Roeth at 18th the being the bigger mistake). I also feel Derek Anderson is ranked too low as well. I feel they both should be rated higher than following: Cutler, Palmer, Rivers, McNabb, and Kitna. Roeth should also be higher than Garcia, Huard, Culpepper, Campbell, and Losman. Some of those are close but that's how I have them rated. Some other things I noticed at first glance: Ahman Green should not be in the top 30 at RB. Lee Evans is not the #7 receiver, no matter who he is playing next week. He is far from proving he is back. Again, I'm not trying to rip the site, and hope this is viewed as constructuve criticism. I very well could be wrong, but just wanted to point out what appears (to me) an area that I think has room for improvement, and I think the solution is to put a little less weight into the opponent (that should be a factor, just not as big as it is currently being made out to be), and more emphasis back into the how the player and team are performing.

Again I have to ask "Why do you care?" This site has Brees #2, another site has Brees #14 Search the FF sites long enougfh and you will find the ratings that you like.

 

[FFdork]

You can't win if you're FBG. They used to wait until they had all the projections done and then put out the cheatsheets later in the week. People asked for something earlier so they could weigh them in making waiver/roster decisions, and FBG responds with the prelim. cheatsheets (which are just that: preliminary, as in not the last word).

What do they get in return? The weekly 'what's up with ______'s ranking this week' threads on Tuesday

 

[Wildcat]

I would think the top reason people subscribe to this site is for the cheatsheets (both the pre-season rankings and the week to week ones). So to say they don't want to do them does not make sense to me. Unless Joe just means they don't like doing the prelimnary ones on Tuesday, which I could understand. The other articles are great, but the cheatsheets are the bread & butter.

To each their own, but the cheatsheets are not what I consider "the bread & butter" of the site. They are nice, quick aggregation of all the other data on the site, but I wouldn't subscribe if it were not for the other tools, articles and data.

I think you are wrong here. Cheatsheets are the most sought after part of fantasy football info. I believe when Footballguys started out it was even called cheatsheets.net if I'm not mistaken.