Presidential Debate Thread - Obama vs. Romney (2 Viewers)

[pantagrapher]

Oh Jesus.. Ben Stein? Really?

That poor old ******* has gone total clown show this past decade.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Oh Jesus.. Ben Stein? Really?

That poor old ******* has gone total clown show this past decade.

Remember the MTV game show he was on? I loved that show.

 

[humpback]

Obama:

"Well, think about what the governor -- think about what the governor just said. He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was $1.80, $1.86. Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse, because we were about to go through the worst recession since the Great Depression, as a consequence of some of the same policies that Governor Romney's now promoting. So, it's conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices because with his policies, we might be back in that same mess."



Reminds me of him explaining Clinton era tax rates bringing back Clinton era prosperity..

Does this man know how this thing works? Doesn't seem like it..

Debating gas prices exposes seriousness. Presidents don't influence the price of gas in any real way. It's not tied to prosperity or economic health. It's tied to the global oil price. It's no more complicated than that. I understand the politics of this, but the reality is that gas is a global commodity and priced as such.

Heavier regulations, voting down a pipeline, bringing criminal charges against oil companies, canceling oil drilling permits, etc, does effect the price of oil.. Obama does effect gas prices, for which at times I've spent up to $1200 a month.. Over 10k a year... Much bigger influence on the econimic well being of the working class then a 4% tax hike..Cost of energy, and gas is a huge issue, Obama would like to sweep it under the carpet, Romney needs to hammer him on this one..

Take it up with the Saudis and ExxonMobil. You have no idea what drives gas prices.

Neither do most people, yet they selectively blame/credit these things when it suits them. Politics is stupid and dishonest because the people are stupid and dishonest.

No argument there. I fully understand it's a convenient political point. If Obama were to make the statement that he has no control over gas prices, most people would probably look at such a comment negatively, either as a guy who is powerless or a guy that is deflecting. My quibble is with the mouth breathers around here who seem to think we should tolerate these idiotic statements as fact. These are the easy points that don't even merit a long discussion. They are obvious on their face. Plenty of reasons to fault Obama. This is not one of them.

Agreed, but I hope you were equally critical of the nose breathers(?) when they were blaming Bush for them, or who now still don't understand that the POTUS doesn't control these things and are crediting him for them.

 

[pantagrapher]

Oh Jesus.. Ben Stein? Really?

That poor old ******* has gone total clown show this past decade.

Remember the MTV game show he was on? I loved that show.

His last sane public moment.

 

[DoubleG]

Oh Jesus.. Ben Stein? Really?

Obama? Obama? Obama? Something "...d-o-o" economics...

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Obama:

"Well, think about what the governor -- think about what the governor just said. He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was $1.80, $1.86. Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse, because we were about to go through the worst recession since the Great Depression, as a consequence of some of the same policies that Governor Romney's now promoting. So, it's conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices because with his policies, we might be back in that same mess."



Reminds me of him explaining Clinton era tax rates bringing back Clinton era prosperity..

Does this man know how this thing works? Doesn't seem like it..

Debating gas prices exposes seriousness. Presidents don't influence the price of gas in any real way. It's not tied to prosperity or economic health. It's tied to the global oil price. It's no more complicated than that. I understand the politics of this, but the reality is that gas is a global commodity and priced as such.

Heavier regulations, voting down a pipeline, bringing criminal charges against oil companies, canceling oil drilling permits, etc, does effect the price of oil.. Obama does effect gas prices, for which at times I've spent up to $1200 a month.. Over 10k a year... Much bigger influence on the econimic well being of the working class then a 4% tax hike..Cost of energy, and gas is a huge issue, Obama would like to sweep it under the carpet, Romney needs to hammer him on this one..

Take it up with the Saudis and ExxonMobil. You have no idea what drives gas prices.

Neither do most people, yet they selectively blame/credit these things when it suits them. Politics is stupid and dishonest because the people are stupid and dishonest.

No argument there. I fully understand it's a convenient political point. If Obama were to make the statement that he has no control over gas prices, most people would probably look at such a comment negatively, either as a guy who is powerless or a guy that is deflecting. My quibble is with the mouth breathers around here who seem to think we should tolerate these idiotic statements as fact. These are the easy points that don't even merit a long discussion. They are obvious on their face. Plenty of reasons to fault Obama. This is not one of them.

Agreed, but I hope you were equally critical of the nose breathers(?) when they were blaming Bush for them, or who now still don't understand that the POTUS doesn't control these things and are crediting him for them.

Agreed. Bush had no control over gas.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Obama:

"Well, think about what the governor -- think about what the governor just said. He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was $1.80, $1.86. Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse, because we were about to go through the worst recession since the Great Depression, as a consequence of some of the same policies that Governor Romney's now promoting. So, it's conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices because with his policies, we might be back in that same mess."



Reminds me of him explaining Clinton era tax rates bringing back Clinton era prosperity..

Does this man know how this thing works? Doesn't seem like it..

Debating gas prices exposes seriousness. Presidents don't influence the price of gas in any real way. It's not tied to prosperity or economic health. It's tied to the global oil price. It's no more complicated than that. I understand the politics of this, but the reality is that gas is a global commodity and priced as such.

Heavier regulations, voting down a pipeline, bringing criminal charges against oil companies, canceling oil drilling permits, etc, does effect the price of oil.. Obama does effect gas prices, for which at times I've spent up to $1200 a month.. Over 10k a year... Much bigger influence on the econimic well being of the working class then a 4% tax hike..Cost of energy, and gas is a huge issue, Obama would like to sweep it under the carpet, Romney needs to hammer him on this one..

Take it up with the Saudis and ExxonMobil. You have no idea what drives gas prices.

Neither do most people, yet they selectively blame/credit these things when it suits them. Politics is stupid and dishonest because the people are stupid and dishonest.

No argument there. I fully understand it's a convenient political point. If Obama were to make the statement that he has no control over gas prices, most people would probably look at such a comment negatively, either as a guy who is powerless or a guy that is deflecting. My quibble is with the mouth breathers around here who seem to think we should tolerate these idiotic statements as fact. These are the easy points that don't even merit a long discussion. They are obvious on their face. Plenty of reasons to fault Obama. This is not one of them.

Agreed, but I hope you were equally critical of the nose breathers(?) when they were blaming Bush for them, or who now still don't understand that the POTUS doesn't control these things and are crediting him for them.

Agreed. Bush had no control over gas.

P-U

 

[DoubleG]

Agreed. Bush had no control over gas.

[/maturityof12yearold]

 

[Slapdash]

Oh Jesus.. Ben Stein? Really?

Obama? Obama? Obama? Something "...d-o-o" economics...

That is Romney's tax plan.

 

[cstu]

Romney still can't give specifics on how he going to make his tax cut work. The sad part is that he's very close to conning into way into the Presidency.

apparently you weren't paying attention to what he said last night.

Maybe you can explain it then.My link

Why do you need details? you didn't ask for them back in 2008 when you voted for Obama. You just voted for a slick campaign slogan - no details necessary. Remember "hope and change"?Seems to me you progressives should be the LAST ones asking for details.

He was pretty explicit about his Universal Health Care, ending the wars and using TARP. What are you confused about?

Negative. All we got was "hope and change" - details to come after election.

I guess you were asleep or drunk during 2008 because he was pretty detailed and he has pretty much implemented what he could. Sorry for your lack of comprehension.

unemployment not going over 8%? yeah, about that...

Obama said that?

yes

That wasn't a campaign promise. He said that months after he was elected - Jan. 9, 2009.

 

[17seconds]

Obama:

"Well, think about what the governor -- think about what the governor just said. He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was $1.80, $1.86. Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse, because we were about to go through the worst recession since the Great Depression, as a consequence of some of the same policies that Governor Romney's now promoting. So, it's conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices because with his policies, we might be back in that same mess."



Reminds me of him explaining Clinton era tax rates bringing back Clinton era prosperity..

Does this man know how this thing works? Doesn't seem like it..

You do realize that was one of three lines all night (all three by Obama) that elicited a solid crowd reaction? You can laugh all you want, but it worked at the moment.

Regardless of the crowd reaction, it's still a ridiculous assertion, and only an idiot would believe that bringing the price of gas down hurts americans economicly.

Obama is thinking one level deeper than you are.

 

[Zegras11]

Obama:

"Well, think about what the governor -- think about what the governor just said. He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was $1.80, $1.86. Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse, because we were about to go through the worst recession since the Great Depression, as a consequence of some of the same policies that Governor Romney's now promoting. So, it's conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices because with his policies, we might be back in that same mess."



Reminds me of him explaining Clinton era tax rates bringing back Clinton era prosperity..

Does this man know how this thing works? Doesn't seem like it..

Debating gas prices exposes seriousness. Presidents don't influence the price of gas in any real way. It's not tied to prosperity or economic health. It's tied to the global oil price. It's no more complicated than that. I understand the politics of this, but the reality is that gas is a global commodity and priced as such.

Heavier regulations, voting down a pipeline, bringing criminal charges against oil companies, canceling oil drilling permits, etc, does effect the price of oil.. Obama does effect gas prices, for which at times I've spent up to $1200 a month.. Over 10k a year... Much bigger influence on the econimic well being of the working class then a 4% tax hike..Cost of energy, and gas is a huge issue, Obama would like to sweep it under the carpet, Romney needs to hammer him on this one..

Take it up with the Saudis and ExxonMobil. You have no idea what drives gas prices.

Neither do most people, yet they selectively blame/credit these things when it suits them. Politics is stupid and dishonest because the people are stupid and dishonest.

No argument there. I fully understand it's a convenient political point. If Obama were to make the statement that he has no control over gas prices, most people would probably look at such a comment negatively, either as a guy who is powerless or a guy that is deflecting. My quibble is with the mouth breathers around here who seem to think we should tolerate these idiotic statements as fact. These are the easy points that don't even merit a long discussion. They are obvious on their face. Plenty of reasons to fault Obama. This is not one of them.

So why did Obama run on the gas price issue in 2008? I recall someone posting about 13 youtube video ads on here a few months ago from his 2008 campaign.Did he just learn this in the last 4 years?

FWIW, the government has very little to do with the swings in anything economic. QE3 will have little effect before market forces take over again.

 

[humpback]

Neither do most people, yet they selectively blame/credit these things when it suits them. Politics is stupid and dishonest because the people are stupid and dishonest.

Yup.This is a case where the problem 100% on the people IMO. I've seen many politicians on both sides try to explain that their role in gasoline prices (or natural gas prices) is limited at best. For some reason it never sinks in, as demonstrated in this thread. At some point the politicians have no choice but to pander to the voters who refuse to understand the facts. If they don't, they'll lose. It's unfortunate, but I give the pols credit for trying at least.

And this is far from the only example that people believe (or pretend to believe) politicians have a lot of control over. It seems most people have very little interest in dealing with facts/reality in general. I suppose there's a reason both sides spend hundreds of millions of dollars on 30 second commercials.

 

[The_Burning_Bush]

♪ when will my reflection show who i am inside? ♪

 

[Fennis]

Arrested Decision 2012

Photos from the campaign captioned with Arrested Development quotes.

Not surprisingly, I think this is the best thing I've seen this campaign season."Time for a little office magic!" is my favorite.

Direct Link to Arrested Decision 2012.If you like that, you also might like Lucille and Mitt, screencaps of Lucille with Mitt Romney quotes as captions.

Pretty funny. About a month ago, I started calling Ann Romney "egg"

 

[SmoovySmoov]

Oh Jesus.. Ben Stein? Really?

That poor old ******* has gone total clown show this past decade.

Remember the MTV game show he was on? I loved that show.

I'm not casting my vote until I find out what Kari Wuhrer thought about the debate last night.

 

[Fennis]

Oh Jesus.. Ben Stein? Really?

That poor old ******* has gone total clown show this past decade.

Remember the MTV game show he was on? I loved that show.

I'm not casting my vote until I find out what Kari Wuhrer thought about the debate last night.

I like her IMDB page:

Trade MarkReddish-brown hairVoluptuous figureLisp, breathless voice

 

[Sarnoff]

“Say you’re a police investigator, and you find a dead body with no clear cause of death. It’s a high-profile case, and the public wants to know if there was foul play. You give a press conference in which you say, ‘One thing’s for sure: no act of murder will ever shake our resolve.’ By making that statement, have you announced that the person was definitely murdered?…”

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Obama was doing this pose all night.

And Romney had his smirk on all night

yeah, but that's what Romney looks like all the time. Obama makes a conscious effort to do that weird arrogant thing with his head from time to time and it's just kind of odd. My link

My link

 

[Jewell]

Oh Jesus.. Ben Stein? Really?

That poor old ******* has gone total clown show this past decade.

Remember the MTV game show he was on? I loved that show.

Comedy Central

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Obama won on style last night. He scored a few more points, was interrupted less, was given more time to speak but even if you give the 'win' to Obama is wasn't by much. I talked to the fiance last night, a few guys in the office this morning and pretty much everyone thought Obama won the debate but came away liking him less. I think it's kind of like the VP debate. If you were scoring points you probably gave it to Biden but you also came away thinking Biden was a buffoon and Ryan a likeable, earnest guy.

I think the post debate CBS Poll is very telling. Respondents scored Obama the winner 46% - 39% but gave Romney the edge in every single category:

Economy: Romney wins 58-40%

Health care: Romney wins 49-46%.

Taxes: Romney wins 51-44%.

Deficit: Romney wins 49-36%.

Strong leader: Romney wins 49-46%

Interesting.

It is scary people think Romney wins on the economy/taxes. His math has proven to not add up but instead of defending the actual policy behind the numbers, he just said "Well of course they add up, I've run businesses before..." He then talks about balancing the Olympic budget which was helped by receiving $410 million from the government. So wait, he balanced the budget with government money? And somehow being a businessmen puts him above the laws of mathematics. And perhaps most importantly, the government isn't run as a business. As Romney alluded to last night, he would have let the Detroit car companies go Chapter 11, not completely bankrupt but restructuring. And this seemed to be the Republican's response to raising the debt limit, well we can just let it go bankrupt and figure it out from there not realizing that the only thing that backs our money is the same government you were going to let fail. The government doesn't exist to make a profit, this isn't to say it should run a deficit either, but government's running deficits in times or recessions and depressions isn't unheard of and is rather common and encouraged by economists.

Leftist myth..He only needs a 4% jobs increase in order to make it work..

 

[identikit]

Taiwan's animated recap of debate #2:

My link

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Obama won on style last night. He scored a few more points, was interrupted less, was given more time to speak but even if you give the 'win' to Obama is wasn't by much. I talked to the fiance last night, a few guys in the office this morning and pretty much everyone thought Obama won the debate but came away liking him less. I think it's kind of like the VP debate. If you were scoring points you probably gave it to Biden but you also came away thinking Biden was a buffoon and Ryan a likeable, earnest guy.I think the post debate CBS Poll is very telling. Respondents scored Obama the winner 46% - 39% but gave Romney the edge in every single category:Economy: Romney wins 58-40%Health care: Romney wins 49-46%.Taxes: Romney wins 51-44%.Deficit: Romney wins 49-36%.Strong leader: Romney wins 49-46%

Interesting.

It is scary people think Romney wins on the economy/taxes. His math has proven to not add up but instead of defending the actual policy behind the numbers, he just said "Well of course they add up, I've run businesses before..." He then talks about balancing the Olympic budget which was helped by receiving $410 million from the government. So wait, he balanced the budget with government money? And somehow being a businessmen puts him above the laws of mathematics. And perhaps most importantly, the government isn't run as a business. As Romney alluded to last night, he would have let the Detroit car companies go Chapter 11, not completely bankrupt but restructuring. And this seemed to be the Republican's response to raising the debt limit, well we can just let it go bankrupt and figure it out from there not realizing that the only thing that backs our money is the same government you were going to let fail. The government doesn't exist to make a profit, this isn't to say it should run a deficit either, but government's running deficits in times or recessions and depressions isn't unheard of and is rather common and encouraged by economists.

Folks are convinced running a business is pretty close to running the government if not identical. That's a positive for Romney. He's been able to convince them of that while redirecting focus from his equations to "Obama's been the suck. He doesn't deserve another chance"

Romney was also a successful governor in Mass if you've forgotten..I think his experiences, both politically, and in the buisness world are strong indicators of how well he can do the job..

 

[SmoovySmoov]

Obama won on style last night. He scored a few more points, was interrupted less, was given more time to speak but even if you give the 'win' to Obama is wasn't by much. I talked to the fiance last night, a few guys in the office this morning and pretty much everyone thought Obama won the debate but came away liking him less. I think it's kind of like the VP debate. If you were scoring points you probably gave it to Biden but you also came away thinking Biden was a buffoon and Ryan a likeable, earnest guy.I think the post debate CBS Poll is very telling. Respondents scored Obama the winner 46% - 39% but gave Romney the edge in every single category:Economy: Romney wins 58-40%Health care: Romney wins 49-46%.Taxes: Romney wins 51-44%.Deficit: Romney wins 49-36%.Strong leader: Romney wins 49-46%

Interesting.

It is scary people think Romney wins on the economy/taxes. His math has proven to not add up but instead of defending the actual policy behind the numbers, he just said "Well of course they add up, I've run businesses before..." He then talks about balancing the Olympic budget which was helped by receiving $410 million from the government. So wait, he balanced the budget with government money? And somehow being a businessmen puts him above the laws of mathematics. And perhaps most importantly, the government isn't run as a business. As Romney alluded to last night, he would have let the Detroit car companies go Chapter 11, not completely bankrupt but restructuring. And this seemed to be the Republican's response to raising the debt limit, well we can just let it go bankrupt and figure it out from there not realizing that the only thing that backs our money is the same government you were going to let fail. The government doesn't exist to make a profit, this isn't to say it should run a deficit either, but government's running deficits in times or recessions and depressions isn't unheard of and is rather common and encouraged by economists.

Folks are convinced running a business is pretty close to running the government if not identical. That's a positive for Romney. He's been able to convince them of that while redirecting focus from his equations to "Obama's been the suck. He doesn't deserve another chance"

Romney was also a successful governor in Mass if you've forgotten..

So successful he's losing it by 30 points.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Obama:

"Well, think about what the governor -- think about what the governor just said. He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was $1.80, $1.86. Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse, because we were about to go through the worst recession since the Great Depression, as a consequence of some of the same policies that Governor Romney's now promoting. So, it's conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices because with his policies, we might be back in that same mess."



Reminds me of him explaining Clinton era tax rates bringing back Clinton era prosperity..

Does this man know how this thing works? Doesn't seem like it..

I was more surprised that a free market guy like Romney didn't understand that markets determine prices based on demand.

supply and demand down?

 

[dparker713]

Obama won on style last night. He scored a few more points, was interrupted less, was given more time to speak but even if you give the 'win' to Obama is wasn't by much. I talked to the fiance last night, a few guys in the office this morning and pretty much everyone thought Obama won the debate but came away liking him less. I think it's kind of like the VP debate. If you were scoring points you probably gave it to Biden but you also came away thinking Biden was a buffoon and Ryan a likeable, earnest guy.I think the post debate CBS Poll is very telling. Respondents scored Obama the winner 46% - 39% but gave Romney the edge in every single category:Economy: Romney wins 58-40%Health care: Romney wins 49-46%.Taxes: Romney wins 51-44%.Deficit: Romney wins 49-36%.Strong leader: Romney wins 49-46%

Interesting.

It is scary people think Romney wins on the economy/taxes. His math has proven to not add up but instead of defending the actual policy behind the numbers, he just said "Well of course they add up, I've run businesses before..." He then talks about balancing the Olympic budget which was helped by receiving $410 million from the government. So wait, he balanced the budget with government money? And somehow being a businessmen puts him above the laws of mathematics. And perhaps most importantly, the government isn't run as a business. As Romney alluded to last night, he would have let the Detroit car companies go Chapter 11, not completely bankrupt but restructuring. And this seemed to be the Republican's response to raising the debt limit, well we can just let it go bankrupt and figure it out from there not realizing that the only thing that backs our money is the same government you were going to let fail. The government doesn't exist to make a profit, this isn't to say it should run a deficit either, but government's running deficits in times or recessions and depressions isn't unheard of and is rather common and encouraged by economists.

Folks are convinced running a business is pretty close to running the government if not identical. That's a positive for Romney. He's been able to convince them of that while redirecting focus from his equations to "Obama's been the suck. He doesn't deserve another chance"

Romney was also a successful governor in Mass if you've forgotten..I think his experiences, both politically, and in the buisness world are strong indicators of how well he can do the job..

Wasn't Mass 49th out of 50 during his term in job creation?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Jeremy's Spoken

Response to article:Talk with Romney about getting a job and talk with Obama about the NBA. Sounds about right.

 

[17seconds]

“Say you’re a police investigator, and you find a dead body with no clear cause of death. It’s a high-profile case, and the public wants to know if there was foul play. You give a press conference in which you say, ‘One thing’s for sure: no act of murder will ever shake our resolve.’ By making that statement, have you announced that the person was definitely murdered?…”

No, because a police investigator can't declare something a murder.Clean up the analogy by replacing "murder" with "homicide" I am 99% certain it would be reported that police have declared a homicide.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Its funny that the right is desperately trying to make Libya a huge deal when nobody really cares about it.

It's such a trivial blunder. They didn't have enough security at one of many dozen consulates in the middle east and then they ####ed up communicating the message to the media later. BFD. Compare that to no WMDs which led to a decade of war and 100s of thousands of deaths.

And then implied it was a spontaneous and unplanned attack erupting from protestors over a youtube video.. Which obviously was not the case..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Its funny that the right is desperately trying to make Libya a huge deal when nobody really cares about it.

It's such a trivial blunder.

Tell that to the families of the deceased.

didnt bush have a lot of embassies attack with more causalities?

Nice comparison.. Obama = Bush..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Romney still can't give specifics on how he going to make his tax cut work. The sad part is that he's very close to conning into way into the Presidency.

apparently you weren't paying attention to what he said last night.

Maybe you can explain it then.My link

Why do you need details? you didn't ask for them back in 2008 when you voted for Obama. You just voted for a slick campaign slogan - no details necessary. Remember "hope and change"?Seems to me you progressives should be the LAST ones asking for details.

He was pretty explicit about his Universal Health Care, ending the wars and using TARP. What are you confused about?

Cutting deficit in half and putting Americans to work? You know, the important stuff..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Romney still can't give specifics on how he going to make his tax cut work. The sad part is that he's very close to conning into way into the Presidency.

apparently you weren't paying attention to what he said last night.

Maybe you can explain it then.My link

Why do you need details? you didn't ask for them back in 2008 when you voted for Obama. You just voted for a slick campaign slogan - no details necessary. Remember "hope and change"?Seems to me you progressives should be the LAST ones asking for details.

He was pretty explicit about his Universal Health Care, ending the wars and using TARP. What are you confused about?

Obamacare, NO ONE had a clue as to what was in it and how it was going to affect the bottom line. Remember "we have to pass it to see what's in it" lines? Get out of here with that crap

Are you saying Obama didnt explain how his plan was going to work? Surely you are not that naive.

Your loyalty is blinding you bud.

 

[Politician Spock]

Its funny that the right is desperately trying to make Libya a huge deal when nobody really cares about it.

It's such a trivial blunder.

Tell that to the families of the deceased.

didnt bush have a lot of embassies attack with more causalities?

So did Clinton.But neither Clinton nor Bush used a bogus explanation of what happened as fuel for a religious statement.

 

[identikit]

Its funny that the right is desperately trying to make Libya a huge deal when nobody really cares about it.

It's such a trivial blunder.

Tell that to the families of the deceased.

didnt bush have a lot of embassies attack with more causalities?

So did Clinton.But neither Clinton nor Bush used a bogus explanation of what happened as fuel for a religious statement.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Obama:

"Well, think about what the governor -- think about what the governor just said. He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was $1.80, $1.86. Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse, because we were about to go through the worst recession since the Great Depression, as a consequence of some of the same policies that Governor Romney's now promoting. So, it's conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices because with his policies, we might be back in that same mess."



Reminds me of him explaining Clinton era tax rates bringing back Clinton era prosperity..

Does this man know how this thing works? Doesn't seem like it..

Debating gas prices exposes seriousness. Presidents don't influence the price of gas in any real way. It's not tied to prosperity or economic health. It's tied to the global oil price. It's no more complicated than that. I understand the politics of this, but the reality is that gas is a global commodity and priced as such.

Heavier regulations, voting down a pipeline, bringing criminal charges against oil companies, canceling oil drilling permits, etc, does effect the price of oil.. Obama does effect gas prices, for which at times I've spent up to $1200 a month.. Over 10k a year... Much bigger influence on the econimic well being of the working class then a 4% tax hike..Cost of energy, and gas is a huge issue, Obama would like to sweep it under the carpet, Romney needs to hammer him on this one..

If he just keeps repeating it over and over, maybe people will actually realize that the president cannot influence gas prices without waging war on a major oil producer. There is no way to legislatively reduce the cost of a barrel of oil.

Yes there is, and there is a way to decrease the cost of gas at the pump which is different then the cost of a barrel of oil..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Obama:

"Well, think about what the governor -- think about what the governor just said. He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was $1.80, $1.86. Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse, because we were about to go through the worst recession since the Great Depression, as a consequence of some of the same policies that Governor Romney's now promoting. So, it's conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices because with his policies, we might be back in that same mess."



Reminds me of him explaining Clinton era tax rates bringing back Clinton era prosperity..

Does this man know how this thing works? Doesn't seem like it..

You do realize that was one of three lines all night (all three by Obama) that elicited a solid crowd reaction? You can laugh all you want, but it worked at the moment.

Regardless of the crowd reaction, it's still a ridiculous assertion, and only an idiot would believe that bringing the price of gas down hurts americans economicly.

Nobody said that bringing the price down hurts Americans. The price goes down due to lack of demand when the economy is heading down.

The president implied that the price of gas at the pump was low because the country was on the verge of economic collapse, and that Romney could bring the cost off gas back down but in the process would also bring those other policies back..[QUOTE='Obama]He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was $1.80, $1.86. Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse...
[/QUOTE]

 

[squistion]

This makes reading any thread so much easier, particularly when you have at least 4 or more in succession. And since nobody responded to those 4 taken from above, I can tell I haven't missed anything.

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[Carolina Hustler]

Obama:

"Well, think about what the governor -- think about what the governor just said. He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was $1.80, $1.86. Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse, because we were about to go through the worst recession since the Great Depression, as a consequence of some of the same policies that Governor Romney's now promoting. So, it's conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices because with his policies, we might be back in that same mess."



Reminds me of him explaining Clinton era tax rates bringing back Clinton era prosperity..

Does this man know how this thing works? Doesn't seem like it..

Debating gas prices exposes seriousness. Presidents don't influence the price of gas in any real way. It's not tied to prosperity or economic health. It's tied to the global oil price. It's no more complicated than that. I understand the politics of this, but the reality is that gas is a global commodity and priced as such.

Heavier regulations, voting down a pipeline, bringing criminal charges against oil companies, canceling oil drilling permits, etc, does effect the price of oil.. Obama does effect gas prices, for which at times I've spent up to $1200 a month.. Over 10k a year... Much bigger influence on the econimic well being of the working class then a 4% tax hike..Cost of energy, and gas is a huge issue, Obama would like to sweep it under the carpet, Romney needs to hammer him on this one..

Do you drive an tank??

How much money do you spend on gas?My household has 3 cars now, I was spending 12oo per month when we only had 2 cars (when I was doing a lot of work north of town around the lake). I drive a full sized pickup truck as I'm a General Contractor..

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Obama:

"Well, think about what the governor -- think about what the governor just said. He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was $1.80, $1.86. Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse, because we were about to go through the worst recession since the Great Depression, as a consequence of some of the same policies that Governor Romney's now promoting. So, it's conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices because with his policies, we might be back in that same mess."



Reminds me of him explaining Clinton era tax rates bringing back Clinton era prosperity..

Does this man know how this thing works? Doesn't seem like it..

Debating gas prices exposes seriousness. Presidents don't influence the price of gas in any real way. It's not tied to prosperity or economic health. It's tied to the global oil price. It's no more complicated than that. I understand the politics of this, but the reality is that gas is a global commodity and priced as such.

Heavier regulations, voting down a pipeline, bringing criminal charges against oil companies, canceling oil drilling permits, etc, does effect the price of oil.. Obama does effect gas prices, for which at times I've spent up to $1200 a month.. Over 10k a year... Much bigger influence on the econimic well being of the working class then a 4% tax hike..Cost of energy, and gas is a huge issue, Obama would like to sweep it under the carpet, Romney needs to hammer him on this one..

Do you drive an tank??

How much money do you spend on gas?My household has 3 cars now, I was spending 12oo per month when we only had 2 cars (when I was doing a lot of work north of town around the lake). I drive a full sized pickup truck as I'm a General Contractor..

Feel free I spew this garbage in your Facebook wall or on billoreilly.com. It won't work here.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Obama:

"Well, think about what the governor -- think about what the governor just said. He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was $1.80, $1.86. Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse, because we were about to go through the worst recession since the Great Depression, as a consequence of some of the same policies that Governor Romney's now promoting. So, it's conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices because with his policies, we might be back in that same mess."



Reminds me of him explaining Clinton era tax rates bringing back Clinton era prosperity..

Does this man know how this thing works? Doesn't seem like it..

You do realize that was one of three lines all night (all three by Obama) that elicited a solid crowd reaction? You can laugh all you want, but it worked at the moment.

Regardless of the crowd reaction, it's still a ridiculous assertion, and only an idiot would believe that bringing the price of gas down hurts americans economicly.

Nobody said that bringing the price down hurts Americans. The price goes down due to lack of demand when the economy is heading down.

So exactly what happened on June 15, 2008 that caused the oil bubble to burst?

I'm not saying it's the lone factor, nor am I an expert on energy, oil, or gas. I'm just pointing out that Carolina Hustler doesn't even understand what the argument being presented is.

He was trying to associate anything that was before his presidency that Romney pointed to, that was better than he could do, as part of a whole that equated to "economic colapse". Obama saw this as an opportunity to draw a parallel between Mit and GW.. And made a ridiculous conclusion that only an idiot would defend..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Obama:

"Well, think about what the governor -- think about what the governor just said. He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was $1.80, $1.86. Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse, because we were about to go through the worst recession since the Great Depression, as a consequence of some of the same policies that Governor Romney's now promoting. So, it's conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices because with his policies, we might be back in that same mess."



Reminds me of him explaining Clinton era tax rates bringing back Clinton era prosperity..

Does this man know how this thing works? Doesn't seem like it..

Debating gas prices exposes seriousness. Presidents don't influence the price of gas in any real way. It's not tied to prosperity or economic health. It's tied to the global oil price. It's no more complicated than that. I understand the politics of this, but the reality is that gas is a global commodity and priced as such.

Heavier regulations, voting down a pipeline, bringing criminal charges against oil companies, canceling oil drilling permits, etc, does effect the price of oil.. Obama does effect gas prices, for which at times I've spent up to $1200 a month.. Over 10k a year... Much bigger influence on the econimic well being of the working class then a 4% tax hike..Cost of energy, and gas is a huge issue, Obama would like to sweep it under the carpet, Romney needs to hammer him on this one..

Take it up with the Saudis and ExxonMobil. You have no idea what drives gas prices.

I know that legislation can and does effect the price of gas at the pump. You disagree?

 

[honky kong]

Carolina Hustler - the political Hipple

 

[honky kong]

Obama:

"Well, think about what the governor -- think about what the governor just said. He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was $1.80, $1.86. Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse, because we were about to go through the worst recession since the Great Depression, as a consequence of some of the same policies that Governor Romney's now promoting. So, it's conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices because with his policies, we might be back in that same mess."



Reminds me of him explaining Clinton era tax rates bringing back Clinton era prosperity..

Does this man know how this thing works? Doesn't seem like it..

Debating gas prices exposes seriousness. Presidents don't influence the price of gas in any real way. It's not tied to prosperity or economic health. It's tied to the global oil price. It's no more complicated than that. I understand the politics of this, but the reality is that gas is a global commodity and priced as such.

Heavier regulations, voting down a pipeline, bringing criminal charges against oil companies, canceling oil drilling permits, etc, does effect the price of oil.. Obama does effect gas prices, for which at times I've spent up to $1200 a month.. Over 10k a year... Much bigger influence on the econimic well being of the working class then a 4% tax hike..Cost of energy, and gas is a huge issue, Obama would like to sweep it under the carpet, Romney needs to hammer him on this one..

Do you drive an tank??

How much money do you spend on gas?My household has 3 cars now, I was spending 12oo per month when we only had 2 cars (when I was doing a lot of work north of town around the lake). I drive a full sized pickup truck as I'm a General Contractor..

Get an amphibious vehicle. Report back on on your gas usage.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Obama:

"Well, think about what the governor -- think about what the governor just said. He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was $1.80, $1.86. Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse, because we were about to go through the worst recession since the Great Depression, as a consequence of some of the same policies that Governor Romney's now promoting. So, it's conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices because with his policies, we might be back in that same mess."



Reminds me of him explaining Clinton era tax rates bringing back Clinton era prosperity..

Does this man know how this thing works? Doesn't seem like it..

You do realize that was one of three lines all night (all three by Obama) that elicited a solid crowd reaction? You can laugh all you want, but it worked at the moment.

Regardless of the crowd reaction, it's still a ridiculous assertion, and only an idiot would believe that bringing the price of gas down hurts americans economicly.

Obama is thinking one level deeper than you are.

He's making a deceptive statement.. you see it I'm sure..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Obama won on style last night. He scored a few more points, was interrupted less, was given more time to speak but even if you give the 'win' to Obama is wasn't by much. I talked to the fiance last night, a few guys in the office this morning and pretty much everyone thought Obama won the debate but came away liking him less. I think it's kind of like the VP debate. If you were scoring points you probably gave it to Biden but you also came away thinking Biden was a buffoon and Ryan a likeable, earnest guy.I think the post debate CBS Poll is very telling. Respondents scored Obama the winner 46% - 39% but gave Romney the edge in every single category:Economy: Romney wins 58-40%Health care: Romney wins 49-46%.Taxes: Romney wins 51-44%.Deficit: Romney wins 49-36%.Strong leader: Romney wins 49-46%

Interesting.

It is scary people think Romney wins on the economy/taxes. His math has proven to not add up but instead of defending the actual policy behind the numbers, he just said "Well of course they add up, I've run businesses before..." He then talks about balancing the Olympic budget which was helped by receiving $410 million from the government. So wait, he balanced the budget with government money? And somehow being a businessmen puts him above the laws of mathematics. And perhaps most importantly, the government isn't run as a business. As Romney alluded to last night, he would have let the Detroit car companies go Chapter 11, not completely bankrupt but restructuring. And this seemed to be the Republican's response to raising the debt limit, well we can just let it go bankrupt and figure it out from there not realizing that the only thing that backs our money is the same government you were going to let fail. The government doesn't exist to make a profit, this isn't to say it should run a deficit either, but government's running deficits in times or recessions and depressions isn't unheard of and is rather common and encouraged by economists.

Folks are convinced running a business is pretty close to running the government if not identical. That's a positive for Romney. He's been able to convince them of that while redirecting focus from his equations to "Obama's been the suck. He doesn't deserve another chance"

Romney was also a successful governor in Mass if you've forgotten..

So successful he's losing it by 30 points.

What is he losing?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Obama won on style last night. He scored a few more points, was interrupted less, was given more time to speak but even if you give the 'win' to Obama is wasn't by much. I talked to the fiance last night, a few guys in the office this morning and pretty much everyone thought Obama won the debate but came away liking him less. I think it's kind of like the VP debate. If you were scoring points you probably gave it to Biden but you also came away thinking Biden was a buffoon and Ryan a likeable, earnest guy.I think the post debate CBS Poll is very telling. Respondents scored Obama the winner 46% - 39% but gave Romney the edge in every single category:Economy: Romney wins 58-40%Health care: Romney wins 49-46%.Taxes: Romney wins 51-44%.Deficit: Romney wins 49-36%.Strong leader: Romney wins 49-46%

Interesting.

It is scary people think Romney wins on the economy/taxes. His math has proven to not add up but instead of defending the actual policy behind the numbers, he just said "Well of course they add up, I've run businesses before..." He then talks about balancing the Olympic budget which was helped by receiving $410 million from the government. So wait, he balanced the budget with government money? And somehow being a businessmen puts him above the laws of mathematics. And perhaps most importantly, the government isn't run as a business. As Romney alluded to last night, he would have let the Detroit car companies go Chapter 11, not completely bankrupt but restructuring. And this seemed to be the Republican's response to raising the debt limit, well we can just let it go bankrupt and figure it out from there not realizing that the only thing that backs our money is the same government you were going to let fail. The government doesn't exist to make a profit, this isn't to say it should run a deficit either, but government's running deficits in times or recessions and depressions isn't unheard of and is rather common and encouraged by economists.

Folks are convinced running a business is pretty close to running the government if not identical. That's a positive for Romney. He's been able to convince them of that while redirecting focus from his equations to "Obama's been the suck. He doesn't deserve another chance"

Romney was also a successful governor in Mass if you've forgotten..I think his experiences, both politically, and in the buisness world are strong indicators of how well he can do the job..

Wasn't Mass 49th out of 50 during his term in job creation?

link?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Worst. Poster. Ever.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Obama:

"Well, think about what the governor -- think about what the governor just said. He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was $1.80, $1.86. Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse, because we were about to go through the worst recession since the Great Depression, as a consequence of some of the same policies that Governor Romney's now promoting. So, it's conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices because with his policies, we might be back in that same mess."



Reminds me of him explaining Clinton era tax rates bringing back Clinton era prosperity..

Does this man know how this thing works? Doesn't seem like it..

You do realize that was one of three lines all night (all three by Obama) that elicited a solid crowd reaction? You can laugh all you want, but it worked at the moment.

Regardless of the crowd reaction, it's still a ridiculous assertion, and only an idiot would believe that bringing the price of gas down hurts americans economicly.

Nobody said that bringing the price down hurts Americans. The price goes down due to lack of demand when the economy is heading down.

The president implied that the price of gas at the pump was low because the country was on the verge of economic collapse, and that Romney could bring the cost off gas back down but in the process would also bring those other policies back..[QUOTE='Obama]He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was $1.80, $1.86. Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse...

[/QUOTE]I know what Obama said. Did you read what you wrote?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Obama:

"Well, think about what the governor -- think about what the governor just said. He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was $1.80, $1.86. Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse, because we were about to go through the worst recession since the Great Depression, as a consequence of some of the same policies that Governor Romney's now promoting. So, it's conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices because with his policies, we might be back in that same mess."



Reminds me of him explaining Clinton era tax rates bringing back Clinton era prosperity..

Does this man know how this thing works? Doesn't seem like it..

You do realize that was one of three lines all night (all three by Obama) that elicited a solid crowd reaction? You can laugh all you want, but it worked at the moment.

Regardless of the crowd reaction, it's still a ridiculous assertion, and only an idiot would believe that bringing the price of gas down hurts americans economicly.

Nobody said that bringing the price down hurts Americans. The price goes down due to lack of demand when the economy is heading down.

The president implied that the price of gas at the pump was low because the country was on the verge of economic collapse, and that Romney could bring the cost off gas back down but in the process would also bring those other policies back..[QUOTE='Obama]He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was $1.80, $1.86. Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse...

I know what Obama said. Did you read what you wrote?[/QUOTE]once, and evidently more times than you have..

 

[squistion]

Worst. Poster. Ever.

That was my take. It may still be true, but I don't think I could handle taking him off ignore to find out, after he spent 3 pages in another thread telling two licensed attorneys that they didn't know what heresay was - but he did (and he has no legal background).