Pro Bowl roster question... (1 Viewer)

[fasteddie_21]

This may be a stupid question, but I really have never known the answer:

Players that get chosen for the Pro-Bowl get credit for 'making' a Pro-Bowl in that given season.

What about the ones who can't/won't/don't go and get replaced? For instance, Brady got selected over Schaub, but Brady, citing injuries, isn't going. Therefore, Schaub is. So as far as both their personal records and their contract perks, do they both get credit for making the Pro-Bowl this year?

 

[Spartans346]

Not a dumb question, I'm wondering this as well.

 

[gonzobill5]

Here is the best I could do - I've wondered this many times before

McNabb is credited with pro bowls in 00, 01, 02, 03, 04 on PFR.

Wikepedia says he was an alternate in 2000, 2001.

I think he was an alternate in 2002 and 2003 as well. When all is said and done, is this guy a 5 time pro bowler or a 1 time pro bowler?

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

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I suspect you'll get your answer from one of those 3 real soon...FWIW, I think the only differentiation is the whole "alternate" thing. It's all just semantics.

 

[fasteddie_21]

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I suspect you'll get your answer from one of those 3 real soon...FWIW, I think the only differentiation is the whole "alternate" thing. It's all just semantics.

So, if I'm reading this correctly, even if you're an "alternate" (ie. replacement) you still get all that comes w/ making the Pro Bowl?

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

5 User(s) are reading this topic (2 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)3 Members: gonzobill5, Grigs Allmoon, Chase Stuart

I suspect you'll get your answer from one of those 3 real soon...FWIW, I think the only differentiation is the whole "alternate" thing. It's all just semantics.

So, if I'm reading this correctly, even if you're an "alternate" (ie. replacement) you still get all that comes w/ making the Pro Bowl?

Actually... I thought Chase would have the answer.So, what do you mean by "all that comes with making the Pro Bowl?"If you mean playing in the game, and getting the paycheck and a possible bonus from your contract, then yeah, I'm sure they get that.

 

[Doug Drinen]

I'm pretty sure, but not 100% sure, that what I'm about to say is correct.

If you are originally named to the Pro Bowl (e.g. Brady), you are credited with making the Pro Bowl, even if you decline due to injury or, more commonly, fake injury. I have no idea about the paycheck, but when the NFL talks about you as an X-time Pro Bowler, that one will be counted.

If you are not originally named to the Pro Bowl, but are later named as an injury replacement (e.g. Schaub) and you do indeed go, you are also credited with a Pro Bowl.

However, if you are not originally named, but are invited as a replacement and decline, then you do not get credit. So if Schaub was asked to replace Brady, but declined for whatever reason, then he would not be credited with a Pro Bowl.

 

[Anarchy99]

I'm pretty sure, but not 100% sure, that what I'm about to say is correct.If you are originally named to the Pro Bowl (e.g. Brady), you are credited with making the Pro Bowl, even if you decline due to injury or, more commonly, fake injury. I have no idea about the paycheck, but when the NFL talks about you as an X-time Pro Bowler, that one will be counted. If you are not originally named to the Pro Bowl, but are later named as an injury replacement (e.g. Schaub) and you do indeed go, you are also credited with a Pro Bowl.However, if you are not originally named, but are invited as a replacement and decline, then you do not get credit. So if Schaub was asked to replace Brady, but declined for whatever reason, then he would not be credited with a Pro Bowl.

I question the last part, as I recall several years when there were QB and or RB that were named and then replaced and replaced again and they are all listed as Pro Bowl players that year. As for whether they got incentive pay I have no idea, but I do remember times where like 5 QB and 7 RB were listed as representatives for the AFC for example.

 

[Donsmith753]

That seems a bit ridiculous, just heard that Vince Young will be playing in the Pro Bowl this year, no offence to VY it's good to see him back from the dead but forever more you'll have to hear, "Vince Young - Pro Bowler"

If Peyton Manning makes it to the superbowl he won't be playing so they'll need to find yet another guy to play. I think the order so far was.

Manning

Brady

Rivers

Schaub (replaced Brady)

Roethlisberger (Replaced Rivers)

Young (replaced Roethlisberger)

Who would be number 7 if Peyton makes the superbowl?

Kyle Orton?

Mark Sanchez?

It's beyond a joke now.

 

[sho nuff]

That seems a bit ridiculous, just heard that Vince Young will be playing in the Pro Bowl this year, no offence to VY it's good to see him back from the dead but forever more you'll have to hear, "Vince Young - Pro Bowler"If Peyton Manning makes it to the superbowl he won't be playing so they'll need to find yet another guy to play. I think the order so far was.ManningBradyRiversSchaub (replaced Brady)Roethlisberger (Replaced Rivers)Young (replaced Roethlisberger)Who would be number 7 if Peyton makes the superbowl?Kyle Orton?Mark Sanchez?It's beyond a joke now.

I think we need to make sure Jamarcus Russel gets in.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Crap like that is exactly why I never use Pro Bowls made as meaning anything when it comes to someone's Hall of Fame legitimacy.

 

[jetpack]

That seems a bit ridiculous, just heard that Vince Young will be playing in the Pro Bowl this year, no offence to VY it's good to see him back from the dead but forever more you'll have to hear, "Vince Young - Pro Bowler"If Peyton Manning makes it to the superbowl he won't be playing so they'll need to find yet another guy to play. I think the order so far was.ManningBradyRiversSchaub (replaced Brady)Roethlisberger (Replaced Rivers)Young (replaced Roethlisberger)Who would be number 7 if Peyton makes the superbowl?Kyle Orton?Mark Sanchez?It's beyond a joke now.

Roethlisberger was Brady's replacement but declined. Schaub was next in line.

 

[Jason Wood]

This is exactly why All Pro membership needs a lot more prominence in the collective fandom's consciousness and the Pro Bowl needs to be treated as nothing more than a weekend for fans.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I believe that the unofficial rule (and it is in debate) is that an injured player must show up to get credit for a Pro Bowl appearance - but I don't have a definitive link to prove it.

I do remember the 2006 Pro Bowl roster being very comical at QB for the AFC.

Here's the roster:

2006 Pro Bowl

AFC QB:

Peyton Manning (6) Indianapolis Colts Quarterback

Trent Green (2)# Kansas City Chiefs Quarterback

Steve McNair (3)# Tennessee Titans Quarterback (even funnier is that he was a Raven in 2006, not a Titan)

Players unable to play due to injury:

* Carson Palmer, Cincinnati Bengals Quarterback

* Tom Brady, New England Patriots Quarterback

* Drew Brees#, San Diego Chargers Quarterback (first alternate)

* Jake Plummer#, Denver Broncos Quarterback (second alternate)

So McNair was the 7th QB added for the AFC.

I think that all 7 got credit for a Pro Bowl that year.

Now, as for the debate over credit, I found this about Ray Lewis:

The Sports Economist

Thursday, December 31, 2009

When is a Pro Bowler not a Pro Bowler?

The Baltimore Ravens and the NFL are involved in a dispute over the number of times Ray Lewis was a Pro Bowler. You must be asking yourself, "Is this serious?" Well, I am not joking, but I hardly take the issue as serious.

It seems that a couple of years ago, 2006 I believe, Lewis was voted to the Pro Bowl but was injured and did not go to Honolulu for the game. Instead, he chose to stay home so that the alternate, his friend and teammate Bart Scott, could go. Having been voted to the Pro Bowl, Lewis was paid the incentive money stipulated in his contract by the Ravens. The Ravens also paid Scott the incentive for making the Pro Bowl.

Where the dispute arises is that the NFL does not count that year as a Pro Bowl season for Lewis, while the Ravens do. Why does this matter? If that season is counted as a Pro Bowl season for Lewis, his recent selection this year moves him into second place for the most Pro Bowls by a Linebacker. Not counting it, Lewis is tied with two or three others. More to the point, with it counted, Lewis is one closer to passing Junior Seau for the most Pro Bowls by a linebacker. That seems to be important to some people, and I suppose in a way it is.

The NFL apparently feels that Lewis cannot be recorded as a Pro Bowler for that season because counting it as a Pro Bowl season is one of the incentives to get players to participate in the game. It is important as a marketing tool to get the stars to show up. By not attending, Lewis apparently reduced the luster of the game and opened the door for other stars to not attend but to still be called a Pro Bowl player. That move seems to threaten the NFL's cash flow from the game, which is apparently the whole point of what is otherwise a pointless game.

One further note on this issue. Perhaps the NFL ought to figure a way to have Pro Bowl players actually be those having special seasons. Perhaps players who have missed substantial proportions of the season, like Ed Reed who has missed a quarter of his team's games and Troy Polamalu who has missed (I think) 7 of 15, should not be eligible.

Hope this helps.

 

[Donsmith753]

I believe that the unofficial rule (and it is in debate) is that an injured player must show up to get credit for a Pro Bowl appearance - but I don't have a definitive link to prove it.

I do remember the 2006 Pro Bowl roster being very comical at QB for the AFC.

Here's the roster:

2006 Pro Bowl

AFC QB:

Peyton Manning (6) Indianapolis Colts Quarterback

Trent Green (2)# Kansas City Chiefs Quarterback

Steve McNair (3)# Tennessee Titans Quarterback (even funnier is that he was a Raven in 2006, not a Titan)

Players unable to play due to injury:

* Carson Palmer, Cincinnati Bengals Quarterback

* Tom Brady, New England Patriots Quarterback

* Drew Brees#, San Diego Chargers Quarterback (first alternate)

* Jake Plummer#, Denver Broncos Quarterback (second alternate)

So McNair was the 7th QB added for the AFC.

I think that all 7 got credit for a Pro Bowl that year.

Now, as for the debate over credit, I found this about Ray Lewis:

The Sports Economist

Thursday, December 31, 2009

When is a Pro Bowler not a Pro Bowler?

The Baltimore Ravens and the NFL are involved in a dispute over the number of times Ray Lewis was a Pro Bowler. You must be asking yourself, "Is this serious?" Well, I am not joking, but I hardly take the issue as serious.

It seems that a couple of years ago, 2006 I believe, Lewis was voted to the Pro Bowl but was injured and did not go to Honolulu for the game. Instead, he chose to stay home so that the alternate, his friend and teammate Bart Scott, could go. Having been voted to the Pro Bowl, Lewis was paid the incentive money stipulated in his contract by the Ravens. The Ravens also paid Scott the incentive for making the Pro Bowl.

Where the dispute arises is that the NFL does not count that year as a Pro Bowl season for Lewis, while the Ravens do. Why does this matter? If that season is counted as a Pro Bowl season for Lewis, his recent selection this year moves him into second place for the most Pro Bowls by a Linebacker. Not counting it, Lewis is tied with two or three others. More to the point, with it counted, Lewis is one closer to passing Junior Seau for the most Pro Bowls by a linebacker. That seems to be important to some people, and I suppose in a way it is.

The NFL apparently feels that Lewis cannot be recorded as a Pro Bowler for that season because counting it as a Pro Bowl season is one of the incentives to get players to participate in the game. It is important as a marketing tool to get the stars to show up. By not attending, Lewis apparently reduced the luster of the game and opened the door for other stars to not attend but to still be called a Pro Bowl player. That move seems to threaten the NFL's cash flow from the game, which is apparently the whole point of what is otherwise a pointless game.

One further note on this issue. Perhaps the NFL ought to figure a way to have Pro Bowl players actually be those having special seasons. Perhaps players who have missed substantial proportions of the season, like Ed Reed who has missed a quarter of his team's games and Troy Polamalu who has missed (I think) 7 of 15, should not be eligible.

Hope this helps.

Interesting read, what they really need to do is name the 2 "pro bowl" teams and then just hold a "Healthy And Can Be Bothered To Show Up Bowl".It may not be as catchy but it would also be closer to the truth.

 

[Kleck]

This is exactly why All Pro membership needs a lot more prominence in the collective fandom's consciousness and the Pro Bowl needs to be treated as nothing more than a weekend for fans.

 

[Buckna]

I would think anything written into a contract as a bonus would be specific to differentiate between a Pro-Bowl award vs getting in as an alternate. Or it would be a nominal amount in regards to the rest of the contract. Say a $50K bonus for making the pro-bowl, not chump change to us, but would only be a small part of most superstars contracts.