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Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of 2022 Discussion Thread (1 Viewer)

Yogibear

Footballguy
Well, the list of preliminary nominees for the Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of 2022 came out earlier today.  Here's the list:

Quarterbacks

Randall Cunningham

Jake Delhomme

Boomer Esiason

Jeff Garcia

Dave Krieg

Donovan McNabb

Steve McNair

Running Backs

Shaun Alexander

Mike Alstott

Tiki Barber

Earnest Byner

Larry Centers

Corey Dillon

Eddie George

Priest Holmes

Steven Jackson

Jamal Lewis

Eric Metcalf

Lorenzo Neal

Fred Taylor

Herschel Walker

Ricky Watters

Brian Westbrook

Wide Receivers

Anquan Boldin

Troy Brown

Donald Driver

Henry Ellard

Devin Hester

Torry Holt

Joe Horn

Andre Johnson

Chad Johnson

Derrick Mason

Muhsin Muhammad

Andre Rison

Jimmy Smith

Rod Smith

Steve Smith

Hines Ward

Reggie Wayne

Wes Welker

Tight Ends

Dallas Clark

Ben Coates

Brent Jones

Heath Miller

Wesley Walls

Offensive Linemen

Willie Anderson

Matt Birk

Tony Boselli

Lomas Brown

Ruben Brown

D'Brickashaw Ferguson

Kevin Glover

Jordan Gross

Olin Kreutz

Jake Long

Nick Mangold

Logan Mankins

Jesse Sapolu

Jeff Saturday

Chris Snee

Brian Waters

Richmond Webb

Erik Williams

Steve Wisniewski

Defensive Linemen

John Abraham

Jared Allen

La'Roi Glover

Casey Hampton

Robert Mathis

Leslie O'Neal

Michael Dean Perry

Simeon Rice

Richard Seymour

Justin Smith

Neil Smith

Greg Townsend

Justin Tuck

Vince Wilfork

Kevin Williams

Bryant Young

Linebackers

Cornelius Bennett

Lance Briggs

Tedy Bruschi

London Fletcher

Seth Joyner

Willie McGinest

Sam Mills

Hardy Nickerson Sr.

Takeo Spikes

Pat Swilling

Zach Thomas

DeMarcus Ware

Patrick Willis

Defensive Backs

Eric Allen

Ronde Barber

Dre Bly

LeRoy Butler

Nick Collins

Antonio Cromartie

Merton Hanks

Rodney Harrison

Albert Lewis

Tim McDonald

Allen Rossum

Asante Samuel

Bob Sanders

Charles Tillman

Troy Vincent

Adrian Wilson

Darren Woodson

Punters/Kickers

Gary Anderson

Jeff Feagles

John Kasay

Sean Landeta

Ryan Longwell

Reggie Roby

Matt Turk

Special Teams

Josh Cribbs

Mel Gray

Brian Mitchell

Steve Tasker

If you ask me, DeMarcus Ware should technically be listed as a defensive lineman, since he was a finalist for the NFL 100 Anniversary All-Time as a defensive end.  He's definitely a shoo-in for Canton.  Another guy that should be a lock is Devin Hester.  I'll throw in a couple of other names which I'll be surprised of they don't make it at least to the semifinal round: Mel Gray and Brian Mitchell.  Those three names are three of the greatest return specialists of All-time.

Keep in mind that Cliff Branch is the Senior Finalist, **** Vermeil is the Coach Finalist & Art McNally is the Contributor Finalist for the Hall of Fame.  Looking at the list, who do you think has a legitimate shot at making the Hall of Fame in 2022?

 

Mister CIA

Footballguy
Another vote for Erik Williams.  He used to own Reggie White.  Pretty sure he was responsible for getting the head slap outlawed.  Alas, a knee injury in a car wreck did him in.

Also, Patrick Willis.

 
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DMXATF23

Footballguy
Still can’t believe that ‘02 Bucs D had a potential 5 HoFers on it. Gotta believe Ronde gets in soon, not so sure Rice has the #s.

 
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sho nuff

Footballguy
How tall would Merton Hank's bust be?  Would it have a hinge on the neck to do his little floppy head dance?

 

Boston

Footballguy

Anarchy99

Footballguy
Here are the players sorted by HOF Monitor Score from PFR. I listed the average score for HOFers next to the position.

 

Quarterbacks (104)
Boomer Esiason 67.9
Steve McNair 60.3
Donovan McNabb 56.5
R Cunningham 55.5
Dave Krieg 45.5
Jeff Garcia 43.4
Jake Delhomme 24.2

Running Backs (107)
Ricky Watters 63.3
Shaun Alexander 62.3
Tiki Barber 57.6
Priest Holmes 55.2
Jamal Lewis 52.5
Fred Taylor 52.4
Corey Dillon 51.9
Steven Jackson 46.6
Eddie George 45.6
Earnest Byner 45.1
Mike Alstott 42.8
Lorenzo Neal 40.4
Herschel Walker 39.3
Eric Metcalf 38.9
Brian Westbrook 37.7
Larry Centers 35.6

Wide Receivers (105)
Reggie Wayne 107.1
Torry Holt 105.2
Steve Smith 97.9
Andre Johnson 91.9
Henry Ellard 83.8
Anquan Boldin 79.1
Hines Ward 73.4
Jimmy Smith 73.2
Rod Smith 70.5
Chad Johnson 62.2
Derrick Mason 61.2
Wes Welker 55.2
Muhsin Muhammad 54.6
Andre Rison 52.8
Devin Hester 48.4
Donald Driver 45.3
Joe Horn 37.5
Troy Brown 35.1

Tight Ends (98)
Ben Coates 46.1
Brent Jones 36.8
Dallas Clark 31.6
Wesley Walls 31.1
Heath Miller 29.6

Offensive Linemen 95 (T) - 103( C ) - 106 (G)
Tony Boselli 86.6
Logan Mankins 79.1
S Wisniewski 76.5
Jeff Saturday 75.1
Richmond Webb 73.9
Lomas Brown 63.4
Olin Kreutz 58.1
Willie Anderson 57.8
Brian Waters 53.8
Matt Birk 53.1
Nick Mangold 51.7
Erik Williams 51.3
Jesse Sapolu 50.6
Chris Snee 50.1
Ruben Brown 49.9
Kevin Glover 40.7
Jordan Gross 38.7
Jake Long 33.1
D Ferguson 31.1

Defensive Linemen 105 (DE) - 116 (DT)
Kevin Williams 105.1
Richard Seymour 97.8
Neil Smith 73.5
Jared Allen 69.1
Bryant Young 65.8
La'Roi Glover 64.2
Vince Wilfork 58.8
Justin Smith 58.1
John Abraham 57.6
M D Perry 57.6
Leslie O'Neal 53.3
Simeon Rice 53.1
Casey Hampton 47.7
Robert Mathis 45.6
Justin Tuck 41.8
Greg Townsend 36.6

Linebackers 105 (OLB) - 114 (ILB)
Zach Thomas 112.8
Patrick Willis 108.1
DeMarcus Ware 95.3
Pat Swilling 73.5
Hardy Nickerson 66.1
C Bennett 63.1
Lance Briggs 59.4
Sam Mills 58.7
London Fletcher 55.4
Seth Joyner 48.6
Willie McGinest 47.1
Takeo Spikes 44.4
Tedy Bruschi 42.3

Defensive Backs (100)
LeRoy Butler 89.8
Ronde Barber 83.9
Darren Woodson 64.1
Eric Allen 59.4
Troy Vincent 52.2
Albert Lewis 50.1
Asante Samuel 49.8
Tim McDonald 48.6
Rodney Harrison 46.3
Merton Hanks 42.4
Adrian Wilson 41.4
A Cromartie 38.9
Bob Sanders 38.9
Charles Tillman 36.2
Dre Bly 31.8
Nick Collins 30.2
Allen Rossum 9.5

Punters/Kickers 52 (P) - 77 (PK)
Gary Anderson 65.9
Sean Landeta 47.1
John Kasay 24.9
Reggie Roby 23.2
Ryan Longwell 19.6
Jeff Feagles 16.8
Matt Turk 12.5

Special Teams
Josh Cribbs 27.2
Mel Gray 26.6
Brian Mitchell 25.5
Steve Tasker 15.3


I know HOF Monitor Score doesn't love special team players, which I am fine with. They don't play many plays each game and the advantage gained from one PK or P compared to another is minimal. MAYBE a guy was at the top of his game for a few years . . . but across a lengthy career, that same player would have been average. In a different thread, I went through the explanation with Adam Vinatieri . . . and his numbers graded out to roughly the #15 PK on a year-by-year basis.

From the above list, the players that should make are Wayne, Holt, Williams, Thomas, and Willis . . . with Smith, Johnson, Seymour, and Ware also worthy of discussion. The rest of the list is mostly guys that had a few good seasons.

 

Long Ball Larry

Footballguy
Seymour has to be close...defensive anchor on 3 Super Bowl champs that were built more on D then O...his personal stats are not would they could have been because of what he was asked to do but his willingness to sacrifice that for winning should not be overlooked...tough to believe anyone who watched him did not think they were watching one of the best defenders of that era.

https://www.nfl.com/news/why-richard-seymour-deserves-a-place-in-pro-football-hall-of-fame-s-class-of-202
would you go with seymour over wilfork?

 

Boston

Footballguy
would you go with seymour over wilfork?


Definitely (and that is not a knock on Vince)...Seymour was a main cog on three Super Bowl winning teams...one of the key components to that D was Seymour and the fact he gave up personal stats for winning and that should not be held against him and I hope the voters realize that...when you look at that era the two definites on that D for the H-o-F should be Law (already in) and Seymour...I truly believe Rodney should be in as he is one of the best players/leaders I have ever seen and while it is a different position I would easily put him in before Vince...Willie and Bruschi played at a Hall-of-Fame level for a period of time but not long enough to make the Hall.

 
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Anarchy99

Footballguy
Definitely (and that is not a knock on Vince)...Seymour was a main cog on three Super Bowl winning teams...one of the key components to that D was Seymour and the fact he gave up personal stats for winning and that should not be held against him and I hope the voters realize that...when you look at that era the two definites on that D for the H-o-F should be Law (already in) and Seymour...I truly believe Rodney should be in as he is one of the best players/leaders I have ever seen and while it is a different position I would easily put him in before Vince...Willie and Bruschi played at a Hall-of-Fame level for a period of time but not long enough to make the Hall.
I realize HOF Monitor score isn't the bible or even the gold standard for HOF consideration . . . but the DB with the lost score that has been induced to date was **** LeBeau at 48.20. Harrison has a score of 46.38. He ranks 77th in terms of defensive backs and would be the lowest rated DB to get in (if he ever gets in).

By comparison . . .

Darrelle Revis 111.73
Ty Law 74.33
Stephon Gilmore 57.90
Asante Samuel 49.83
Lawyer Milloy 49.70
Rodney Harrison 46.38
Aqib Talib 45.90
Devin McCourty 41.48
Malcolm Butler 25.88
Logan Ryan 21.85
Eugene Wilson 18.68
Randall Gay 11.90
Ellis Hobbs 11.38

Just as a side note, the players in the BB era to score 70 or more in HOF Monitor score . . .

Tom Brady 252.41
Randy Moss 150.02
Junior Seau 121.98
Darrelle Revis 111.73
Richard Seymour 97.8
Adam Vinatieri 92.70
Rob Gronkowski 90.36
Logan Mankins 79.15
James Harrison 74.43 (for half a season)
Ty Law 74.33

If there are future NFL HOFers from the Patriots, they more than likely will be coming from that group.

 
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Boston

Footballguy
I realize HOF Monitor score isn't the bible or even the gold standard for HOF consideration . . . but the DB with the lost score that has been induced to date was **** LeBeau at 48.20. Harrison has a score of 46.38. He ranks 77th in terms of defensive backs and would be the lowest rated DB to get in (if he ever gets in).

By comparison . . .

Darrelle Revis 111.73
Ty Law 74.33
Stephon Gilmore 57.90
Asante Samuel 49.83
Lawyer Milloy 49.70
Rodney Harrison 46.38
Aqib Talib 45.90
Devin McCourty 41.48
Malcolm Butler 25.88
Logan Ryan 21.85
Eugene Wilson 18.68
Randall Gay 11.90
Ellis Hobbs 11.38

Just as a side note, the players in the BB era to score 70 or more in HOF Monitor score . . .

Tom Brady 252.41
Randy Moss 150.02
Darrelle Revis 111.73
Richard Seymour 97.8
Adam Vinatieri 92.70
Rob Gronkowski 90.36
Logan Mankins 79.15
James Harrison 74.43 (for half a season)
Ty Law 74.33

If there are future NFL HOFers from the Patriots, they more than likely will be coming from that group.


As I stated and feel very strongly about...he is one of the best leaders I have ever seen in pro sports and his leadership was a direct contributor to two championships and an undefeated season...the fact those stats rank Asante Samuel and Lawyer Milloy ahead of him (and McCourty for that matter compared to those two) means they take away any human component and do not give a correct snapshot as to the whole picture of what makes a player. 

 
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Manster

Footballguy
As an NFC east guy, I think Fletcher should be a shoe in.  Dude was a menace for da skins, and underrated, imo.

 
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Long Ball Larry

Footballguy
Absolutely. Seymour was a 3 time first team All Pro and 7 time Pro Bowler (compared to 1 and 5 for Wilfork). Personally, I don't think Vince has much of a chance of getting inducted.


Definitely (and that is not a knock on Vince)...Seymour was a main cog on three Super Bowl winning teams...one of the key components to that D was Seymour and the fact he gave up personal stats for winning and that should not be held against him and I hope the voters realize that...when you look at that era the two definites on that D for the H-o-F should be Law (already in) and Seymour...I truly believe Rodney should be in as he is one of the best players/leaders I have ever seen and while it is a different position I would easily put him in before Vince...Willie and Bruschi played at a Hall-of-Fame level for a period of time but not long enough to make the Hall.


I guess you're right when I look at it and think about it more.  but it always seemed to me like Vince  was the main cog of that second run and coulda/woulda/shoulda won 2 super bowls.  

 

Anarchy99

Footballguy
I guess you're right when I look at it and think about it more.  but it always seemed to me like Vince  was the main cog of that second run and coulda/woulda/shoulda won 2 super bowls.  
Vince was a rotational piece as a rookie when they won in 2004 and was probably league average when they won again in 2014. He was excellent in that middle period, but the team was not as successful. I think we will find that having being a very good player on a winning franchise doesn’t necessarily lead to a lot of HOF consideration. 

 

moleculo

Footballguy
this is a relatively weak class overall.  I like the HoF monitor that @Anarchy99 posted above, thanks. From that, it appears the best shots are Kevin Williams, Richard Seymour, Zach Thomas, Patrick Willis, Reggie Wayne and Torry Holt.  Border line guys: DeMarcus Ware, Steve Smith, Leroy Butler.

 

Just Win Baby

Footballguy
I would vote for these guys for sure:

  • CB Ronde Barber
  • T Tony Boselli
  • WR Torry Holt
  • LB Zach Thomas
Not sure if I would vote for a 5th, I might have missed someone.

 

Yogibear

Footballguy
Well, the list of 26 semifinalists were just revealed about 10 minutes ago.  Here's the list:

Eric Allen

Jared Allen

Willie Anderson

Ronde Barber

Anquan Boldin

Tony Boselli

LeRoy Butler

Eddie George

Devin Hester

Torry Holt

Andre Johnson

Robert Mathis

Sam Mills

Richard Seymour

Steve Smith Sr.

Steve Tasker

Fred Taylor

Zach Thomas

Hines Ward

DeMarcus Ware

Ricky Watters

Reggie Wayne

Vince Wilfork

Patrick Willis

Darren Woodson

Bryant Young

Keep in mind that Cliff Branch is the Senior Finalist, **** Vermeil is the Coach Finalist, & Art McNally is the Contributor Finalist.  Out of those 26 names, who do you believe has the best chance of getting into Canton in 2022?

 

Just Win Baby

Footballguy
I would vote for these guys for sure:

  • CB Ronde Barber
  • T Tony Boselli
  • WR Torry Holt
  • LB Zach Thomas
Not sure if I would vote for a 5th, I might have missed someone.
I would still vote for these 4. I will choose a 5th but need to research some of these guys.

ETA: I should clarify, I would vote for Butler. He is my 5th choice. Unfortunately, it has been long enough that I am assuming he won't get in until he becomes a senior nominee, so I was kind of glossing over him. He is my 5th.

 
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Just Win Baby

Footballguy
Holt

Seymour

Thomas

Wayne

Willis
Interested in the case for Willis. He was a 5-time 1st team All Pro, and 1 time 2nd team All Pro and won DROY. That's great, but is there more to it? He only played 112 regular season games and 8 postseason games over 8 seasons. I'm trying to gauge if he was as good in his short career as other short career HOFers like Terrell Davis and (I expect) Boselli. I know statistics don't tell the whole story, but nothing jumps out at me there.

Also interested in the case for Seymour, which seems much less compelling to me.

 
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Anarchy99

Footballguy
Interested in the case for Willis. He was a 5-time 1st team All Pro, and 1 time 2nd team All Pro and won DROY. That's great, but is there more to it? He only played 112 regular season games and 8 postseason games over 8 seasons. I'm trying to gauge if he was as good in his short career as other short career HOFers like Terrell Davis and (I expect) Boselli. I know statistics don't tell the whole story, but nothing jumps out at me there.

Also interested in the case for Seymour, which seems much less compelling to me.
How many five time first team All Pros are there (whether they were LB or played elsewhere)? I have no idea . . . but would a couple extra years of below replacement player numbers help his cause any? In the time he did play, his HOF Monitor Score reflects that he should be in  

As far as Seymour goes, he was a key cog in the first NE Super Bowl run. Not sure if that merits extra credit. 

 

Anarchy99

Footballguy
Definitely (and that is not a knock on Vince)...Seymour was a main cog on three Super Bowl winning teams...one of the key components to that D was Seymour and the fact he gave up personal stats for winning and that should not be held against him and I hope the voters realize that...when you look at that era the two definites on that D for the H-o-F should be Law (already in) and Seymour...I truly believe Rodney should be in as he is one of the best players/leaders I have ever seen and while it is a different position I would easily put him in before Vince...Willie and Bruschi played at a Hall-of-Fame level for a period of time but not long enough to make the Hall.
Rodney not a semi finalist. 

 

Just Win Baby

Footballguy
How many five time first team All Pros are there (whether they were LB or played elsewhere)? I have no idea . . . but would a couple extra years of below replacement player numbers help his cause any? In the time he did play, his HOF Monitor Score reflects that he should be in  
I'm open to Willis, just trying to better understand the case. I'm leaning toward believing he is deserving.

I assume those who would vote for Willis would view Kuechly as a lock. Is that right?

You mention HOF Monitor, and I think it is a data point, but I think it is flawed and am hesitant to rely on it without other evidence.

 

Anarchy99

Footballguy
I'm open to Willis, just trying to better understand the case. I'm leaning toward believing he is deserving.

I assume those who would vote for Willis would view Kuechly as a lock. Is that right?

You mention HOF Monitor, and I think it is a data point, but I think it is flawed and am hesitant to rely on it without other evidence.
Luke has a HOF Monitor score 10 points higher than Willis, so one would think he should be a lock. I agree it’s a flawed evaluation tool that doesn’t encompass everything, but it does provide a starting off point to compare players from different eras. It’s based on performance,  so it’s not just subjective. How the numbers are weighed, evaluated, and compared is something that seems like a big component to how the ratings flesh out and that part seems like the process could impact the outcome. 

 

Just Win Baby

Footballguy
Luke has a HOF Monitor score 10 points higher than Willis, so one would think he should be a lock. I agree it’s a flawed evaluation tool that doesn’t encompass everything, but it does provide a starting off point to compare players from different eras. It’s based on performance,  so it’s not just subjective. How the numbers are weighed, evaluated, and compared is something that seems like a big component to how the ratings flesh out and that part seems like the process could impact the outcome. 
Yes, I posted some issues with HOF Monitor previously. I applaud their effort to come up with a formulaic HOF Monitor metric, but IMO it is too flawed to use as a proxy without delving into specifics on a case by case basis. Most fundamentally, there are issues with Approximate Value, which is foundational to the HOF Monitor metric:

  • Assumption #1: The offensive line is exactly as good as the offense. This is obviously flawed, and Doug Drinen, AV creator admits it.
  • Assumption #2: The offensive line is equally important in the running game as it is in the passing game. Drinen admitted this may be flawed, but he wasn't convinced of that.
  • Assumption #3: The ratio of pass-thrower importance to pass-catcher importance is constant from team to team. This is obviously flawed, and Drinen admitted this.
  • Team AV points is based on points per drive scored/allowed. Several issues:

    All Pro and Pro Bowl selections are already used for OL and defensive players to generate AV... but not for offensive skill players. So they are seemingly double counted for OL and defensive players in the HOF Monitor formula.
  • Points are mostly based on yards, ignoring receptions, TDs, first downs, sacks taken, and offensive turnovers. This results in situations like this one for the 2018 Chargers:

    Mike Williams - rushing: 7/28/1 with 2 first downs; receiving: 66 targets, 43/664/10 with 42 first downs; 0 fumbles = 6 AV
  • Tyrell Williams - rushing: 2/15/0 with 1 first down; receiving: 65 targets, 41/653/5 with 34 first downs; 2 fumbles = 6 AV

[*]Credit for efficiency is limited. For example, runners only get an adjustment (up or down) for YPC if they have 200+ carries in a season.


[*]Drinen basically admits that he doesn't know how to positionally divide up OL or defensive credit, which is not surprising since that is a complex problem. But his answer is to assign fixed positional values. So a tackle gets 20% more credit than a guard or center and 2/3 of defensive points go to the front 7 and 1/3 to the secondary. These choices are fine for generalizing positional value but could vary for individual situations.

[*]I can't find any evidence that AV accounts for postseason games.

I get that AV is an approximation tool, and that's fine. Just saying that it has flaws. That, in turn, means the HOF Monitor metric is flawed.

 

Boston

Footballguy
He should be IMO. I would vote for him.


IMO he is a player you had to really watch every game to truly understand his impact on and off the field...since he also played for the team you root vote I am sure you feel the same way about him that I do...he is one of the best players I have ever seen on the field and his leadership was second to none, he was a huge reason for the 2003 and 2004 titles the Pats won...the fact he did not make it to the semis this year is a real disappointment...got a feeling he is gonna have to go the senior committe route someday.

 

-OZ-

Footballguy
First impression, maybe Hines, boselli, and ronde ? 

never mind on the weekend.  Why didn’t Saturday make it to the semis?

I’d love to see air and Eddie get in but that seems unlikely. 

 
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Capella

CAPELLODINHO
Homer talk here too, homie. Had to tell a friend just this week Simeon had more sacks than he thinks (122!) and deserves more respect than he receives.
He really does. Held up great against the run game in 02 too. I don’t think he ever makes it though - I do think Ronde gets in down the road. 

 

Ghost Rider

Footballguy
I’m a homer but that team is very underrated in the best defense of all-time talk. 
Agreed.  Their D was unreal in that playoff run.  They probably are dinged a bit since they gave up 21 points in the Super Bowl, 18 of which were basically in garbage time after it was 34-3.  They had three defensive scores in the game, but the 21 points allowed probably hurts their cause especially since the other defenses often mentioned are the '85 Bears (who let up 10 points in their entire postseason), the '00 Ravens (who pitched a shutout in the SB, but had 7 points allowed due to a kick return) and the '13 Seahawks (who held Peyton Manning and the Broncos to 8 points).  

 

Anarchy99

Footballguy
I still often wonder why the team that allowed the fewest PPG (9.2) is never mentioned even as a footnote in the greatest defenses discussions. The 77 Falcons were only 7-7, they missed the playoffs, and their offense was not existent. The defense averaged over 4 turnovers forced per game. I guess only SB champs need apply. 

 

Just Win Baby

Footballguy
Even though it doesn't stick to football players like it does baseball players, Harrison getting busted for HGH might not be helping his chances.  His well-earned rep as a dirty player may not either. 
I doubt HGH matters at all. I'm sure the dirty rep is a factor, though I think that is overblown.

 

Ghost Rider

Footballguy
I doubt HGH matters at all. I'm sure the dirty rep is a factor, though I think that is overblown.
Hard to say.  I live in St Louis, so his cheap shot on Trent Green (that led to the Kurt Warner emergence) was widely covered and criticized, so that is probably more in my head than that of the average NFL fan. 

 

Yogibear

Footballguy
The 15 finalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of 2022 has just been revealed.  Here's the list:

Jared Allen

Willie Anderson

Ronde Barber

Tony Boselli

LeRoy Butler

Devin Hester

Torry Holt

Andre Johnson

Sam Mills

Richard Seymour

Zach Thomas

DeMarcus Ware

Reggie Wayne

Patrick Willis

Bryant Young

Keep in mind that Cliff Branch is the Senior Finalist, **** Vermeil is the Coach Finalist, and Art McNally is the Contributor Finalist for the Class of 2022.  Out of the 15 finalists, who do you believe has the best chance of getting into Canton next year?

 

Just Win Baby

Footballguy
The 15 finalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of 2022 has just been revealed.  Here's the list:

Jared Allen

Willie Anderson

Ronde Barber

Tony Boselli

LeRoy Butler

Devin Hester

Torry Holt

Andre Johnson

Sam Mills

Richard Seymour

Zach Thomas

DeMarcus Ware

Reggie Wayne

Patrick Willis

Bryant Young

Keep in mind that Cliff Branch is the Senior Finalist, **** Vermeil is the Coach Finalist, and Art McNally is the Contributor Finalist for the Class of 2022.  Out of the 15 finalists, who do you believe has the best chance of getting into Canton next year?
I would vote for the same group I posted previously:

  • Barber
  • Boselli
  • Butler
  • Holt
  • Thomas
 

Just Win Baby

Footballguy
Boselli, Wayne, Holt, Thomas, and Willis seem most likely and all deserve. Steve Smith robbed due to positional excellence. 
IMO you are criminally underrating Barber.

I get that people will ignore Butler, but he is deserving. I expect he will ultimately be overlooked in the regular process but will get in via the veteran committee.

Don't see two WRs getting in together. Holt > Wayne IMO.

 

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