What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Pro Football Weekly Whispers (1 Viewer)

buckeye35

Footballguy
I find that you can always pull a few nuggets out of these blurbs...

Our sources tell us that Dolphins DE Jason Taylor’s sore back won’t force him to miss the regular-season opener at Pittsburgh. However, after injuring the back early in camp and being sidelined for 12 practices, Taylor is taking things slowly and will play sparingly in the remaining preseason games.
With Tedy Bruschi out until September and with Monty Beisel ailing with an injured hand, word is the Patriots’ signing of recently retired Junior Seau is an indication of how concerned they are about their ILB depth. Though the 37-year-old Seau has played in only 15 games the past two years because of injury, the team believes his experience and ability are an upgrade over the reserves on the roster.
Word is the Jets’ medical staff made the determination that RB Lee Suggs’ surgically repaired knee would not hold up over the long haul. That resulted in the failed physical, voiding the trade that had sent CB Derrick Strait to Cleveland for Suggs. Interestingly, while Suggs has had a myriad of injuries (ankle, thumb, neck, toe, shoulder) during his short NFL career, the knee injury is an old one, suffered when he was at Virginia Tech. He hadn’t missed a practice with the Browns this summer.
Even though the failed trade with the Jets sent CB Derrick Strait back to New York, we hear the Browns like Strait enough that they may try to again trade for him.
The Browns are continuing to try to move RB Lee Suggs, who was sent back to the team after failing the Jets’ physical. Suggs doesn’t have a role in Cleveland after the emergence of rookie Jerome Harrison.
Ravens QB Steve McNair’s command of the huddle has been a breath of fresh air. The way we hear it, former starter Kyle Boller simply was too excitable in pressure situations. McNair is more even-keeled.
With strong competition both at the DL and LB positions, don’t be surprised if the Bengals release a couple of veterans with potential. At linebacker, 2004 third-rounder Caleb Miller could be the odd man out, while DLs Shaun Smith or Jonathan Fanene could be on the bubble.
The way we hear it, Bengals RB Chris Perry’s injuries continue to be a source of frustration to the club. Perry has been out with an ankle injury and could very well miss the start of the season.
Word from Pittsburgh is rookie QB Omar Jacobs has struggled in his transition to the pro game and is being pushed by Shane Boyd for the No. 3 QB job.
What has impressed people in San Diego the most with Philip Rivers is the fact he never seems to have an “off practice,” which is rare for a young quarterback. His accuracy has been excellent, but expect the Chargers to keep things on the conservative side early on, much as they did when Drew Brees took over the reins from Doug Flutie.
Sources in Oakland say the Raiders are not actively shopping disgruntled WR Jerry Porter, but they are allowing him and his agent to seek a trade. The good news for the Raiders is that a couple of young receivers, Johnnie Morant and Will Buchanon, have stepped up in training camp and the preseason. Buchanon, a college defensive back who went undrafted, has really turned heads with some acrobatic grabs.
Replacing retired OTs Willie Roaf and John Welbourn will be a tall order for the Chiefs, but so far, the combination of Kyle Turley and Kevin Sampson has fared well despite some difficulties keeping the Giants’ DE tandem of Michael Strahan and Osi Umenyiora out of the backfield in the second preseason game. Concerns, however, lie with Turley’s ability to hold up over the course of the year at around 280 pounds (some 25-30 pounds lighter than he played at two years ago) and Sampson’s ability to handle speed on the edge.
The Chiefs are eager to get rookie QB Brodie Croyle some work to see if he can elevate himself to the backup role behind Trent Green, but a shoulder injury had kept him out of action since the first week of camp as of this writing. Croyle said he was happy with his progress in the system prior to the injury. Another worry is the fact that new RB Michael Bennett hadn’t been able to see the field since his late-July trade from the Saints. A tender hamstring has prevented him from getting acclimated to the new offense. He is expected to spell Larry Johnson and serve as a change-of-pace option.
Second-round choice Bernard Pollard out of Purdue has been solid in Kansas City’s practices, but another safety, seventh-rounder Jarrad Page out of UCLA, has been the talk of camp with his willingness to hit and ability to cover, decipher a lot of information quickly and play several roles. He could see immediate action in nickel and dime situations and surely will be a force on special teams out of the gate, along with Pollard.
Darren Sproles‘ move to injured reserve with a broken leg may have opened the door for undrafted rookie CB Cletis Gordon to make the Chargers’ team as the primary return specialist. If he falters, the Chargers would look to WR Eric Parker or possibly CB Drayton Florence for punt-return duties and backup RB Michael Turner or possibly rookie CB Antonio Cromartie to bring back kickoffs.
Observers say the athleticism shown by rookie CB Antonio Cromartie in San Diego is impressive, and his long stride makes it look easy to make up ground when he does find himself out of position.
Word out of Panthers camp is the team is trying to steer superstar WR Steve Smith away from returning punts. We hear the Panthers are hesitant to expose Smith, who missed the first two weeks of training camp with a left hamstring strain, to further injuries while doing extra duty on special teams.
We hear Panthers DT Kris Jenkins, who suffered a torn anterior cruciate ligament in Week One last season and missed the final 12 games in 2004 with a shoulder injury, has been on the practice field regularly in training camp, but he does appear overweight and doesn’t seem to be in football shape just yet.
Our Falcons observers tell us veteran RS Allen Rossum could be on his way out of Atlanta. Rossum battled injuries most of last season and hasn’t come close to returning to his Pro Bowl form of 2004. Complicating matters for Rossum is that rookie WR Adam Jennings has excelled in training camp returning punts and kicks and is also competing for the No. 3 WR job. RB DeAndra Cobb, drafted last year as Rossum’s eventual successor, had a forgettable rookie year and is sidelined with a high ankle sprain. We hear it’s only a matter of time before Cobb gets waived.
We hear Falcons rookie, and Georgia native, QB D.J. Shockley holds a slight edge over second-year QB Bryan Randall in the competition for the No. 3 QB job behind Michael Vick and Matt Schaub. We’re told the Atlanta coaching staff loves Shockley’s intangibles — his leadership, huddle presence, ability to manage the clock — and they fear that if Shockley were put on the practice squad, another team would sign him.
Word out of Buccaneers camp is backup QB Tim Rattay has looked bad for most of training camp and he didn’t help his case to become Tampa’s No. 2 quarterback with his dismal performance in the Bucs’ preseason opener. That game was the first chance for the coaching staff to see Rattay, who was acquired in a trade with San Francisco last season, in a game situation in the Bucs’ system. Rattay’s struggles have opened the door for rookie QB Bruce Gradkowski to earn the No. 2 job if veteran Jay Fiedler (shoulder) isn’t healthy when the season begins.
Sources in Jacksonville tell us diminutive WR Chad Owens is moving up the Jaguars’ depth chart after a strong start to the preseason that included a 62-yard touchdown grab in the opener. We hear Owens, drafted in the sixth round last year largely for his skills as a returner, is facing plenty of competition in the return game, so his best chance to make the team will be as a receiver.
Our sources close to the Saints tell us starting C Jeff Faine has been a stabilizing presence on the team’s revamped offensive line. The Saints acquired Faine in a Draft Day trade with the Browns to replace Pro Bowl C LeCharles Bentley, who left New Orleans to sign a huge free-agent contract with Cleveland.
In addition to outplaying QB Todd Bouman in the Saints’ first preseason game, we hear there’s another sign QB Jamie Martin has a leg up in the competition for the No. 2 QB job. Martin is now the team’s top holder, a role Bouman had handled for the past few years.
The Redskins’ trade of WR Taylor Jacobs to San Francisco almost guarantees that David Patten will make the roster. The team wants to carry five capable receivers because it will use many four- and five-WR sets. Because James Thrash and Antwaan Randle El are key special-teamers, Patten should get a chance.
The Redskins’ OL depth could be a season-long concern, but the team liked what it saw when Mike Pucillo played center and Tyson Walter handled left tackle better than anyone expected.
The Cowboys, armed with depth at linebacker, and the Patriots, who have some extra offensive linemen, have been talking. Sources say the Patriots could be interested in Cowboys reserve Scott Shanle, who has experience in both 3-4 and 4-3 defenses but could be caught up in a numbers game in Dallas.
How bad has it gotten for Drew Henson in Dallas? On the day the team signed free agent Matt Baker, he — not Henson — got all the work with the third team. Henson is pretty expensive to keep as a third QB, especially if the team doesn’t believe he has made much progress.
Despite the late arrival, it appears that Eagles DT Brodrick Bunkley is going to be a force. Our sources tell us that the rookie is built as solidly as any defensive lineman the team has had in recent memory and that Bunkley has routinely found his way into the backfield during drills.
Cowboys LB Bradie James told PFW that DE Chris Canty is going to break out into stardom. “He’s a classic 3-4 end,” James said. “He looks like he is going to have a big season.”
Word is the Seahawks have been satisfied with the steady progress of first-round CB Kelly Jennings, who got picked apart pretty good by the Cowboys in the preseason opener. But while Jennings is expected to see plenty of action this season — we’re told one thing he needs to do is finish his plays a bit better — it could be a while before he earns a starting role over Kelly Herndon, who we hear might have had a better training camp than any Seahawks player this season.
Seahawks DE Grant Wistrom, who underwent shoulder surgery following the Super Bowl, recently revealed to our sources that he played most of last season with a torn labrum that worsened with each game. Wistrom concealed the injury to prevent opponents from taking advantage.
It’s only a matter of time, our sources in the desert believe, before Gerald Hayes takes over the Cardinals’ starting MLB job from James Darling. Hayes, we hear, finally looks fully recovered from the knee problems that sidelined him last season. But while the Cardinals couldn’t be happier with his resurgence, we hear they continue to be extremely frustrated with fellow LB Karlos Dansby, who continues to fall further into Dennis Green’s doghouse the longer he stays off the field due to health issues.
In addition to being a leading candidate as the Cardinals’ primary punt returner, we hear free-agent addition Troy Walters has looked good enough as a pass catcher in the slot to possibly overtake promising LeRon McCoy as the team’s No. 4 wide receiver.
Don’t expect new Rams head coach Scott Linehan to be shy when it comes to using starters on special teams in an effort to improve what has been a steady weakness the last few seasons. We hear key starters such as MLB Will Witherspoon and FS Corey Chavous could see more than a little action on special teams this season.
We hear the more mellow approach by new Rams D-line coach Brian Baker — as opposed to the tough-love style of his predecessor Bill Kollar, who dropped F-bombs seemingly with every other word — has received mostly positive reviews from the Rams’ linemen, who believe they may be benefiting from a bit more work on technique under Baker.
We’re hearing good things about Niners second-year backup DL Ronald Fields, whose motor was somewhat of an issue in his rookie season. Fields apparently has become good friends with second-year RB Frank Gore, and our sources believe Gore’s all-world work ethic and intensity have rubbed off on Fields, who appears a great deal more mature this season.
Word is the supposed two-way battle for the Colts’ starting RCB job between Jason David and Marlin Jackson has become a four-way battle, with first-year pro Kelvin Hayden and versatile third-year pro Von Hutchins entering the mix. Jackson, the Colts’ first-round pick last year, played badly enough in the team’s preseason opener to actually receive public criticism from head coach Tony Dungy, who rarely singles out any of his players.
We hear Colts second-year OL Dylan Gandy has played so well as the starter at left guard in place of the injured Ryan Lilja that he could end up giving Lilja a real run for his money for the starting job in Week One.
Second-year Lions CB Stanley Wilson had an impressive training camp and might wind up with more than the nickel CB job. Wilson outplayed Keith Smith to claim the nickel spot, but he’ll need to be more consistent to overtake Fernando Bryant. Smith’s ball skills and instincts made him a nice fit in the newly implemented cover-2 defense.
Unless injuries hit the team’s receivers, Lions WR Charles Rogers is very likely to be released, according to our moles in Motown. Rogers is working harder but, unable to claw higher than third string on the depth chart, hasn’t found his way into the good graces of the new regime. He’s running out of time and, unless someone stumbles in front of him, Rogers appears a lock to get the boot before the regular season begins.
Our sources indicate the Bears are monitoring the waiver wire for WR help but likely won’t make a trade to acquire help at the position.
Sources in Green Bay are stunned that fifth overall pick A.J. Hawk hasn’t been more of a steady presence this summer. In fact, there are some who believe third-round pick Abdul Hodge might be a better starter at this time than the ultratalented Hawk.
Team observers say the Bears are excited by the performance of rookie FS Danieal Manning. Manning, thrust into regular work since Mike Brown’s Achilles injury at San Francisco, has been able to learn on the job and excels in coverage. If he makes more of an effort to arrive early in run support, the Bears will really have something.
Word out of Detroit is LB Ernie Sims’ size could be a major detriment. Already the Lions consider him too aggressive for a third-down or nickel LB role. Sims should start on the weak side, but the big-hitting linebacker can be pushed around by bigger bodies.
PFW Whispers
 
Word from Pittsburgh is rookie QB Omar Jacobs has struggled in his transition to the pro game and is being pushed by Shane Boyd for the No. 3 QB job.
After seeing both in the first two preseason games, I don't think Jacobs has to worry about Boyd.
 
The way I hear it:

Chris Perry is pissed with the Cincy medical staff for misdiagnosing him, causing his surgeries to occur far later than they should have.

Marc Bulger better stay healthy in 2006 or he'll find himself no longer being the Rams future QB.

 
Sources in Green Bay are stunned that fifth overall pick A.J. Hawk hasn’t been more of a steady presence this summer. In fact, there are some who believe third-round pick Abdul Hodge might be a better starter at this time than the ultratalented Hawk.
I don't know why this is so "stunning." I've been saying Hawk was overrated since day one. Hmm...I wonder why he's overrated. :rolleyes:
 
Sources in Green Bay are stunned that fifth overall pick A.J. Hawk hasn’t been more of a steady presence this summer. In fact, there are some who believe third-round pick Abdul Hodge might be a better starter at this time than the ultratalented Hawk.
I don't know why this is so "stunning." I've been saying Hawk was overrated since day one. Hmm...I wonder why he's overrated. :rolleyes:
The fact that this stuff is printed is a joke in itself. Hawk has done near everything the Packers have expected him to do and is progressing well. Is he going to be a Superstar in his first preseason, well no, however any media hype that has Hawk as a bust is hype and thats it. Hawk is doing quite well and is around the ball as much as possible.
 
Sources in Green Bay are stunned that fifth overall pick A.J. Hawk hasn’t been more of a steady presence this summer. In fact, there are some who believe third-round pick Abdul Hodge might be a better starter at this time than the ultratalented Hawk.
I don't know why this is so "stunning." I've been saying Hawk was overrated since day one. Hmm...I wonder why he's overrated. :rolleyes:
The fact that this stuff is printed is a joke in itself. Hawk has done near everything the Packers have expected him to do and is progressing well. Is he going to be a Superstar in his first preseason, well no, however any media hype that has Hawk as a bust is hype and thats it. Hawk is doing quite well and is around the ball as much as possible.
From JS Online today...Et cetera

McCarthy wasn't pleased that rookie Cory Rodgers muffed a punt. He has had ball security problems since camp opened.

The starters will play well into the second half next Monday night in Cincinnati, according to McCarthy.

The Packers erroneously credited Donald Driver with a 16-yard reception in the first quarter. Jennings made the catch.

McCarthy said he was told by linebackers coach Winston Moss immediately after the game that A.J. Hawk had "really made a step forward."

 
Sources in Green Bay are stunned that fifth overall pick A.J. Hawk hasn’t been more of a steady presence this summer. In fact, there are some who believe third-round pick Abdul Hodge might be a better starter at this time than the ultratalented Hawk.
I don't know why this is so "stunning." I've been saying Hawk was overrated since day one. Hmm...I wonder why he's overrated. :rolleyes:
The fact that this stuff is printed is a joke in itself. Hawk has done near everything the Packers have expected him to do and is progressing well. Is he going to be a Superstar in his first preseason, well no, however any media hype that has Hawk as a bust is hype and thats it. Hawk is doing quite well and is around the ball as much as possible.
I've long contended that Hawk would be a solid NFL LB, but not necessarily a difference making LB so I guess I agree with you to an extent. I've watched both both GB games and he's looked very bad at times in pass coverage...Gates absolutely burnt him on a pass play...so bad the announcers were making fun of Hawk. That being said, he's looked okay against the run game...had a nice tackle on a sweep a couple of nights ago.
 
Sources in Green Bay are stunned that fifth overall pick A.J. Hawk hasn’t been more of a steady presence this summer. In fact, there are some who believe third-round pick Abdul Hodge might be a better starter at this time than the ultratalented Hawk.
Hmm...I wonder why he's overrated. :rolleyes:
Tell us!
 
Sources in Green Bay are stunned that fifth overall pick A.J. Hawk hasn’t been more of a steady presence this summer. In fact, there are some who believe third-round pick Abdul Hodge might be a better starter at this time than the ultratalented Hawk.
I don't know why this is so "stunning." I've been saying Hawk was overrated since day one. Hmm...I wonder why he's overrated. :rolleyes:
The fact that this stuff is printed is a joke in itself. Hawk has done near everything the Packers have expected him to do and is progressing well. Is he going to be a Superstar in his first preseason, well no, however any media hype that has Hawk as a bust is hype and thats it. Hawk is doing quite well and is around the ball as much as possible.
Gates absolutely burnt him on a pass play...so bad the announcers were making fun of Hawk.
How dare that All-Pro TE beat a rookie like that in his first exhibition game. :rolleyes:
 
Sources in Green Bay are stunned that fifth overall pick A.J. Hawk hasn’t been more of a steady presence this summer. In fact, there are some who believe third-round pick Abdul Hodge might be a better starter at this time than the ultratalented Hawk.
Hmm...I wonder why he's overrated. :rolleyes:
Tell us!
First, his media exposure in college created a hype that was beyond his ability. There are several reasons why he got the media exposure, but I can't go into detail about all of them because one of the topics is off limits in the shark pool.Second, he's always struck me as the kind of player that lacked that extra something that the great LBs like Urlacher and Seau have. Hawk is the kind of player that has great measurables and has all the intangibles that look good on draft day, but lacks the Urlacker/Seau playmaking ability that you'd want to see from a top 5 pick.He'll be solid, but not great.
 
Sources in Green Bay are stunned that fifth overall pick A.J. Hawk hasn’t been more of a steady presence this summer. In fact, there are some who believe third-round pick Abdul Hodge might be a better starter at this time than the ultratalented Hawk.
I don't know why this is so "stunning." I've been saying Hawk was overrated since day one. Hmm...I wonder why he's overrated. :rolleyes:
The fact that this stuff is printed is a joke in itself. Hawk has done near everything the Packers have expected him to do and is progressing well. Is he going to be a Superstar in his first preseason, well no, however any media hype that has Hawk as a bust is hype and thats it. Hawk is doing quite well and is around the ball as much as possible.
I've long contended that Hawk would be a solid NFL LB, but not necessarily a difference making LB so I guess I agree with you to an extent. I've watched both both GB games and he's looked very bad at times in pass coverage...Gates absolutely burnt him on a pass play...so bad the announcers were making fun of Hawk. That being said, he's looked okay against the run game...had a nice tackle on a sweep a couple of nights ago.
And it is shocking to you that a rookie LB was burned by Antonio Gates in a pre-season game?
 
Sources in Green Bay are stunned that fifth overall pick A.J. Hawk hasn’t been more of a steady presence this summer. In fact, there are some who believe third-round pick Abdul Hodge might be a better starter at this time than the ultratalented Hawk.
I don't know why this is so "stunning." I've been saying Hawk was overrated since day one. Hmm...I wonder why he's overrated. :rolleyes:
The fact that this stuff is printed is a joke in itself. Hawk has done near everything the Packers have expected him to do and is progressing well. Is he going to be a Superstar in his first preseason, well no, however any media hype that has Hawk as a bust is hype and thats it. Hawk is doing quite well and is around the ball as much as possible.
Gates absolutely burnt him on a pass play...so bad the announcers were making fun of Hawk.
How dare that All-Pro TE beat a rookie like that in his first exhibition game. :rolleyes:
Hawk was beaten badly, he wasn't just "beat." Urlacher was a stud from day one....Hawk will never be an elite LB.
 
Sources in Green Bay are stunned that fifth overall pick A.J. Hawk hasn’t been more of a steady presence this summer. In fact, there are some who believe third-round pick Abdul Hodge might be a better starter at this time than the ultratalented Hawk.
I don't know why this is so "stunning." I've been saying Hawk was overrated since day one. Hmm...I wonder why he's overrated. :rolleyes:
The fact that this stuff is printed is a joke in itself. Hawk has done near everything the Packers have expected him to do and is progressing well. Is he going to be a Superstar in his first preseason, well no, however any media hype that has Hawk as a bust is hype and thats it. Hawk is doing quite well and is around the ball as much as possible.
I've long contended that Hawk would be a solid NFL LB, but not necessarily a difference making LB so I guess I agree with you to an extent. I've watched both both GB games and he's looked very bad at times in pass coverage...Gates absolutely burnt him on a pass play...so bad the announcers were making fun of Hawk. That being said, he's looked okay against the run game...had a nice tackle on a sweep a couple of nights ago.
And it is shocking to you that a rookie LB was burned by Antonio Gates in a pre-season game?
It was shocking how badly he was beat and how mediocre/bad he has looked in his first two games.
 
First, his media exposure in college created a hype that was beyond his ability. There are several reasons why he got the media exposure, but I can't go into detail about all of them because one of the topics is off limits in the shark pool.Second, he's always struck me as the kind of player that lacked that extra something that the great LBs like Urlacher and Seau have. Hawk is the kind of player that has great measurables and has all the intangibles that look good on draft day, but lacks the Urlacker/Seau playmaking ability that you'd want to see from a top 5 pick.He'll be solid, but not great.
If Hawk was not from the Big Ten you would love the guy. LHUCKS, I think your expectations of a rookie LB far outweigh any expectations for him and you will lose any argument about him because you expect All-Pro numbers right away. Case in point is that you are already claiming he is not that good because he was beat by an All-Pro TE... in his first exhibition game.I can see fla\/\/ed has joined the conversation so I will hang up and listen.
 
First, his media exposure in college created a hype that was beyond his ability. There are several reasons why he got the media exposure, but I can't go into detail about all of them because one of the topics is off limits in the shark pool.Second, he's always struck me as the kind of player that lacked that extra something that the great LBs like Urlacher and Seau have. Hawk is the kind of player that has great measurables and has all the intangibles that look good on draft day, but lacks the Urlacker/Seau playmaking ability that you'd want to see from a top 5 pick.He'll be solid, but not great.
If Hawk was not from the Big Ten you would love the guy. LHUCKS, I think your expectations of a rookie LB far outweigh any expectations for him and you will lose any argument about him because you expect All-Pro numbers right away. Case in point is that you are already claiming he is not that good because he was beat by an All-Pro TE... in his first exhibition game.I can see fla\/\/ed has joined the conversation so I will hang up and listen.
Time will tell, but I can tell you the first couple of times I've seen other big time LBs like Seau and Urlacher, I've had a completely different impression.I hope I'm wrong...seems like a good role model for kids.
 
Urlacher was a stud from day one....Hawk will never be an elite LB.
This is untrue.
Are you kidding me? From Urlacher.com...Became second Bears rookie ever to lead team in tackles (Doug Plank, 1975) while being recognized by his teammates as the rookie recipient of the Brian Piccolo Award.

was the first Chicago defender to lead the team in tackles in his initial 4 seasons in the NFL

Hawk can't touch Urlacher's jock...not even close to the same caliber of player...never will be.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Word from Pittsburgh is rookie QB Omar Jacobs has struggled in his transition to the pro game and is being pushed by Shane Boyd for the No. 3 QB job.
After seeing both in the first two preseason games, I don't think Jacobs has to worry about Boyd.
Yeah, right. So what are they going to do? Carry 4 QBs on the 53 man? Of course they'll keep Omar as #3, even if he doesn't "beat out" Boyd.
 
Word out of Detroit is LB Ernie Sims’ size could be a major detriment. Already the Lions consider him too aggressive for a third-down or nickel LB role. Sims should start on the weak side, but the big-hitting linebacker can be pushed around by bigger bodies.Ernie Simms has been awesome so far this year. I totally disagree with that quote

Word out of Detroit is LB Ernie Sims’ size could be a major detriment. Already the Lions consider him too aggressive for a third-down or nickel LB role. Sims should start on the weak side, but the big-hitting linebacker can be pushed around by bigger bodies.
 
Urlacher was a stud from day one....Hawk will never be an elite LB.
This is untrue.
Are you kidding me? From Urlacher.com...Became second Bears rookie ever to lead team in tackles (Doug Plank, 1975) while being recognized by his teammates as the rookie recipient of the Brian Piccolo Award.

was the first Chicago defender to lead the team in tackles in his initial 4 seasons in the NFL

Hawk can't touch Urlacher's jock...not even close to the same caliber of player...never will be.
I believe those assessments of Urlacher happened after his first year... not before it in the preseason. Thus, your initial statement of "Urlacher was a stud from day one..." is not as accurate as you would like it to be.
 
Urlacher was a stud from day one....Hawk will never be an elite LB.
This is untrue.
Are you kidding me? From Urlacher.com...Became second Bears rookie ever to lead team in tackles (Doug Plank, 1975) while being recognized by his teammates as the rookie recipient of the Brian Piccolo Award.

was the first Chicago defender to lead the team in tackles in his initial 4 seasons in the NFL

Hawk can't touch Urlacher's jock...not even close to the same caliber of player...never will be.
I believe those assessments of Urlacher happened after his first year... not before it in the preseason. Thus, your initial statement of "Urlacher was a stud from day one..." is not as accurate as you would like it to be.
Urlacher came in his rookie year and made an intial impression that Hawk has already failed to make.
 
Urlacher was a stud from day one....Hawk will never be an elite LB.
This is untrue.
Are you kidding me? From Urlacher.com...Became second Bears rookie ever to lead team in tackles (Doug Plank, 1975) while being recognized by his teammates as the rookie recipient of the Brian Piccolo Award.

was the first Chicago defender to lead the team in tackles in his initial 4 seasons in the NFL
iirc, Urlacher didn't even start until almost halfway through his first season...[edit: not exactly true. NFL.com lists him with 16 G / 14 GS, so he must have been on the field pretty early. But I remember that he wasn't heavily involved until the season was well underway.]

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Sources in Green Bay are stunned that fifth overall pick A.J. Hawk hasn’t been more of a steady presence this summer. In fact, there are some who believe third-round pick Abdul Hodge might be a better starter at this time than the ultratalented Hawk.
Didnt I say AJ was doing worse than Hodge? :coffee:
 
Urlacher was a stud from day one....Hawk will never be an elite LB.
This is untrue.
Are you kidding me? From Urlacher.com...Became second Bears rookie ever to lead team in tackles (Doug Plank, 1975) while being recognized by his teammates as the rookie recipient of the Brian Piccolo Award.

was the first Chicago defender to lead the team in tackles in his initial 4 seasons in the NFL

Hawk can't touch Urlacher's jock...not even close to the same caliber of player...never will be.
I believe those assessments of Urlacher happened after his first year... not before it in the preseason. Thus, your initial statement of "Urlacher was a stud from day one..." is not as accurate as you would like it to be.
Urlacher came in his rookie year and made an intial impression that Hawk has already failed to make.
How does "stud from day one" turn into "making an impression" turn into "Hawk has failed to do it because he has no stats yet" make Hawk any less "studly" than when Urlacher first was in the league?And, to compare a rookie to one of the better LB's... through growth in the league... is unjustifiable.

 
Sources in Green Bay are stunned that fifth overall pick A.J. Hawk hasn’t been more of a steady presence this summer. In fact, there are some who believe third-round pick Abdul Hodge might be a better starter at this time than the ultratalented Hawk.
Didnt I say AJ was doing worse than Hodge? :coffee:
You probably did but the "reported whispers" are wrong in every way with their Hawk talk.
 
And, to compare a rookie to one of the better LB's... through growth in the league... is unjustifiable.
Urlacher drafted 9th overall.Hawk drafted 5th overall.

:coffee:
Yeah, and? You are comparing what Urlacher did AFTER his first year to what Hawk has done in two PRESEASON games. Hawk's stats will not compare to Urlacher's either due to the systems and reliance on each. Hawk = PAC 10 = LHUCKS :wub:

 
How does "stud from day one" turn into "making an impression" turn into "Hawk has failed to do it because he has no stats yet" make Hawk any less "studly" than when Urlacher first was in the league?
You can get caught up in the language if you want. Hawk by several accounts is catching on more slowly than the Packers would like. Urlacher made quite a different first impression...it was as if everybody knew he was destined for greatness after just a short while with the Bears.Hawk is overrated.
 
How does "stud from day one" turn into "making an impression" turn into "Hawk has failed to do it because he has no stats yet" make Hawk any less "studly" than when Urlacher first was in the league?
You can get caught up in the language if you want. Hawk by several accounts is catching on more slowly than the Packers would like. Urlacher made quite a different first impression...it was as if everybody knew he was destined for greatness after just a short while with the Bears.Hawk is overrated.
How is my auction team and what do you predict for me this year?
 
How does "stud from day one" turn into "making an impression" turn into "Hawk has failed to do it because he has no stats yet" make Hawk any less "studly" than when Urlacher first was in the league?
You can get caught up in the language if you want. Hawk by several accounts is catching on more slowly than the Packers would like. Urlacher made quite a different first impression...it was as if everybody knew he was destined for greatness after just a short while with the Bears.Hawk is overrated.
How is my auction team and what do you predict for me this year?
Your shallow WR depth is going to kill you...should have went deeper at WR.
 
Hawk's stats will not compare to Urlacher's either due to the systems and reliance on each.
So what do you think is fair for the Packers to expect from their #5 overall pick?
Expectations should not and are not quantifiable. To think that they are is crazy. As a rookie I would expect him to grow into the position and as the season progresses to lessen the mistakes. If he is still making mistakes by week 5 come tell me. If he is still making those same mistakes in week 10 come tell me. Until those happen... keep quiet about how "bad" Hawk might be doing.
 
Gates absolutely burnt him on a pass play...
Wow. Really? A Pro-Bowl player burnt a rookie in his first pre-season game?
A LB with Hawks athleticism should have no problem covering a slower TE...Hawk was embarrassed.
:goodposting: Yes he was embarrassed he was invisible the whole day
Right...I used that play as just one example because it was one that stood out the most. "Invisible" was a good way to describe his overall performance.
 
Can you go into a little more detail why you thought Hawk was a bust LHUCKS

I mean for me, Hawk is too slow and looks like he is a product of the system and the players who surrounded him. I mean, look at BKU in the NFL now w. the Vikes. Many thought BKU would be like another Strahan or Peppers, but he has been "schooled" at the next level. BKU played w. the Wild Bunch II, aka Cody, Baby Sapp, and Nazel (Ramsey also was part of it...hey, why the hell did Ramsey perform better in 2003 than anytime afterwards?) It makes you wonder if BKU really deserved to go that low...probably true now.

I remember 2 yrs. ago at this time we were all saying that BKU was supposed to be a Top-5 or at least Top-10 pick. I really like Carpenter as opposed to Hawk.

How did Hawk go sooo high? I'm actually more sold on Carpenter than Hawk...although Hawk does have one thing going for him...he's gonna live w. that hot piece of woman called Brady Quinn's sister for the rest of his life. Man, Hawk's fiance (Quinn's sis) is drop dead gorgeous!!!

I do see Hawk being a bust tho. He is quite small too. Don't see how he could be more than a "Gary Plummer" type player.

 
Hawk's stats will not compare to Urlacher's either due to the systems and reliance on each.
So what do you think is fair for the Packers to expect from their #5 overall pick?
Again....you were the one bashing others for making judgements on players this early in the exhibition season yet it's ok for you to make early judgements on Hawk.
Jumping on Bush in the first round because of one big play is totally different than Hawk looking invisible in an entire game. Each situation should be evaluated independently.
 
Hawk's stats will not compare to Urlacher's either due to the systems and reliance on each.
So what do you think is fair for the Packers to expect from their #5 overall pick?
Again....you were the one bashing others for making judgements on players this early in the exhibition season yet it's ok for you to make early judgements on Hawk.
Jumping on Bush in the first round because of one big play is totally different than Hawk looking invisible in an entire game. Each situation should be evaluated independently.
And plus you already knew Hawk was a bust, you didnt need the preseason to tell you that, big difference imo.
 
Can you go into a little more detail why you thought Hawk was a bust LHUCKS
I'm not saying he is a bust, I'm just stating he's overrated. I've stated such ever since he was rumored to get drafted in the top 5.He looked robotic to me in college and quite frankly he was the media darling because he was a "character" guy. And that's great if he has a high GPA and is a nice guy off the field and is good with kids...blah, blah, blah.But I have always been unimpressed with his overall feel for the game...he's not an annihilator the way that the Urlachers and the Arringtons were in college. He just seemed like a solid LB, not the gamebreaker you would want out of your #5 overall pick.Again, I don't think he's a "bust" per se, I just think he's overrated.
 
Hawk's stats will not compare to Urlacher's either due to the systems and reliance on each.
So what do you think is fair for the Packers to expect from their #5 overall pick?
Again....you were the one bashing others for making judgements on players this early in the exhibition season yet it's ok for you to make early judgements on Hawk.
Jumping on Bush in the first round because of one big play is totally different than Hawk looking invisible in an entire game. Each situation should be evaluated independently.
And plus you already knew Hawk was a bust, you didnt need the preseason to tell you that, big difference imo.
Right, I was projecting before the season started that Hawk was overrated...and then sure enough, mutliple media outlets are reporting he's been somewhat disappointing thus far.
 
Until those happen... keep quiet about how "bad" Hawk might be doing.
Hey buddy, it's not just me...I can provide several links to media sources that are stating such.
Unless the media sources are coming from Green Bay and the Gazette then I dont want to even hear them because those other media sources are clueless. If Chris Havel has anything to say he is not one to listen to even though he does write for the Gazette.
 
Until those happen... keep quiet about how "bad" Hawk might be doing.
Hey buddy, it's not just me...I can provide several links to media sources that are stating such.
Unless the media sources are coming from Green Bay and the Gazette then I dont want to even hear them because those other media sources are clueless. If Chris Havel has anything to say he is not one to listen to even though he does write for the Gazette.
Okay...here's one from a homer Packer source(LINK):
Anybody thinking that rookie linebacker A.J. Hawk was going to walk in and take the Green Bay Packers' training camp by storm would be disappointed.

A.J. Hawk appears to be feeling his way through Week 1 of pro football.

Rookie Abdul Hodge is expected to start the season as the backup to middle linebacker Nick Barnett this year.

Not only has Hawk yet to show the punishing big-play capability that led the Packers to make him the No. 5 pick in the draft but he hasn't had any more impact than fellow all-Big Ten linebacker Abdul Hodge, a third-round selection.

Of course, Hawk hasn't even been asked to make his first tackle in the National Football League. An eighth day of limited contact drills will give way to a semblance of the real thing Saturday night during the intrasquad scrimmage at Lambeau Field.

"Any time you get a game-type atmosphere it helps, especially for a rookie like me," Hawk said Thursday. "I need to have that game-type experience."

Part of the problem trying to evaluate Hawk is the hype associated with him. As the NFL's highest-drafted linebacker since LaVar Arrington went No. 2 in 2000, Hawk and impending greatness have become almost one and the same in the minds of some fans.

But as practices stack up, Hawk has done little to distinguish himself as the starting linebacker on the weak side.

Thickly built and very strong, Hawk looks the part of a linebacker even though his height (6 feet 1 inches) was considered a slight negative by some scouts. As he thinks his way through situations, there have been precious few plays in which his outstanding speed has been noticeable.

Camp is just a week old and already the Packers have an inkling that Hodge could start blowing people up when the rough stuff arrives.

"He had a hell of a day (Wednesday)," McCarthy said. "He stoned the fullback a couple times. I think the kid's really picked it up."
 
Urlacher was a stud from day one....Hawk will never be an elite LB.
This is untrue.
Are you kidding me? From Urlacher.com...Became second Bears rookie ever to lead team in tackles (Doug Plank, 1975) while being recognized by his teammates as the rookie recipient of the Brian Piccolo Award.

was the first Chicago defender to lead the team in tackles in his initial 4 seasons in the NFL

Hawk can't touch Urlacher's jock...not even close to the same caliber of player...never will be.
Hey LHucks:

As a Packer fan, an Ohio State fan and being from Dayton, Ohio where AJ went to high school, (he played on my high school, Wayne's, biggest rival, Centerville), I've seen him play as much as anyone. I try hard to not be a homer and use my knowledge appropriately. Of course it's a struggle for all of us to remain objective, let me take a stab.

I'd be the first to admit that AJ hasn't torn up the competition so far as a pro. However I do think that your analogy to Urlacher is a bit misguided. Comparing OLBs and MLBs, especially in NFL schemes is very tricky. If you are an OLB you will never get the tackle opportunities that the Middle guy will get. Urlacher is great, I get to see him hammering Packers twice a year, but Nick Barnett arrived in Green Bay in the middle and recorded 112, 123 and 138 tackles in his first three years. Why? Opportunity as a Middle guy. Now I won't argue that Barnett is equal to Urlacher as an individual specimen, but in importance in the Green Bay scheme (tackles keep the blockers off the Middle guy) he has been outstanding and deserves to be mentioned as one of the top Middle guys. Urlacher and Barnett share speed and instincts as 2 common physical traits (Urlacher is bigger) and also share the luxury of being able to often run unimpeded to the ball. Barnett in fact is versatile enough that the Packers have considered moving him outside because Hodge is shorter and not as good in pass coverage.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=484382

Hodge has looked Great in camp ... but guess what? He's looked GREAT playing in the MIDDLE as Barnett's replacement. Even though the talk is that he'll eventually be shifted outside, the Packers believe in having him learn ONE position thoroughly first, and then moving to a second position.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=480770

Hawk at Ohio State was an outstanding player but two big components of that were consistency and all-around ability. Never in the wrong place, rarely missed a tackle, always a team leader. Was he the "flashiest" looking player, no. I had no problem when the Packers took him at 5 because his overall attributes at OLB, to be matched with Barnett and hopefully another player (Hodge?) could anchor the Packer defense for years. Did I think he'd be an LT type force on the outside, no. Do I think he could be one of the best all-around players at OLB, I see that potential, yes. Of course all guys need to prove it at the next level. He also had to miss time because of Ohio State's silly late finals, which prevent guys from joining in until the finish school. Personally, I expect AJ to be ready when the season starts and to slowly improve as the season progresses. I hope those aren't my "homer" glasses talking.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=484442

PS: Keep an eye on a sophmore LB named Marcus Freeman at Ohio State this year. He'll make an attempt to give Ohio State a star player from my high school, Wayne, this season.

 
I'd be the first to admit that AJ hasn't torn up the competition so far as a pro. However I do think that your analogy to Urlacher is a bit misguided. Comparing OLBs and MLBs, especially in NFL schemes is very tricky. Hawk at Ohio State was an outstanding player but two big components of that were consistency and all-around ability. Never in the wrong place, rarely missed a tackle, always a team leader. Was he the "flashiest" looking player, no. I had no problem when the Packers took him at 5 because his overall attributes at OLB, to be matched with Barnett and hopefully another player (Hodge?) could anchor the Packer defense for years. Did I think he'd be an LT type force on the outside, no. Do I think he could be one of the best all-around players at OLB, I see that potential, yes.
:goodposting: I can definitely see your take on this. I agree that Hawk's worth will be with consistency, not because of incredible playmaking ability. That being said, for my money if you want consistent LB play wait until the second round. If I'm going to take a LB at #5 overall I want an impact/big time play maker...not Mr. Consistency.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top