HellToupee
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The vote is Monday. Until then it’s all political theatre
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Proposed Legislation Thread: Now Up - Support (or lack thereof) for our Troops regarding "Burn Pit" legislation (1 Viewer)
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the moops
Footballguy
The vote was yesterday. The only reason it is being brought up again is because of the anger it has caused.
Toby2ElectricBugaloo
Footballguy
There was a vote yesterday. The legislation could be on the president's desk today and the money in the hands of our long-suffering veterans that much sooner. And none of your partisan posturing changes that.
Yeah, it's probably true that the GOP will change course on Monday after a weekend of political blowback. But it's also probably true that if it was not for the political blowback they'd have no reason to revisit the vote.
The Senate could have approved the funding for veterans yesterday. But they didn't, because the GOP decided to block it because the Dems' reconciliation bill hurt their fee-fees. End of analysis.
There was a cloture vote yesterday. Schumer is going to hold another cloture vote on Monday. Monday is not "a vote on the actual bill". You do understand the difference, right?
HellToupee
Footballguy
If it goes down screw em all.
I don’t have any guys. Both parties are pretty much the same to me. Boofsidez looking out for their pet pork projects . Meet the new boss , same as the old boss
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
bigbottom
Footballguy
The anger and backlash is why there will be another vote, and why (hopefully) the GOP will eventually do the right thing.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Everybody has summed up my feelings on the Republicans who didn't vote for this (embarrassing to say the absolute least). But I wanted to focus on one other part of this. 390 Billion a year - damn that is a lot of money. I mean, we should absolutely spend whatever it takes to take care of our vets but am I crazy in thinking that seems like an insane amount?
bigbottom
Footballguy
Except in this instance, we’re talking about veterans’ health, not “pet pork projects.” I guess when you’re conceding that your team is terrible (in this instance), the only possible defense is that both teams are terrible. But that doesn’t invalidate the outrage here which is absolutely warranted.
While the flip-flopping that will likely occur on Monday will be welcome and ultimately a good result, it will be interesting to see the names of those Senators who voted for, then voted against, and then voted for, and the explanations they offer.
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bigbottom
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the moops
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-fish-
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Some of these bozos that voted against it were co-sponsors of the bill, including Cruz and Cornyn. So they'll campaign claiming how they introduced legislation to help veterans.
They just won't mention that they voted against actually helping veterans.
Cruz may be the sleaziest politician of my lifetime.
They just won't mention that they voted against actually helping veterans.
Cruz may be the sleaziest politician of my lifetime.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I just learned that one of the provisions tucked in the Schumer-Manchin deal would allow auto-filing of most simple tax returns. If that gets included in the final bill, it would be one of those seemingly small changes that has a huge impact on people's lives (and also be a major political winner for Dems).
rustycolts
Footballguy
Wow a good thread and I missed it(or it should be havnt read anything yet)about freaking time they addressed burn pit issue.
Maybe someday they will address the hep c issue. Thousands of vets have it thanks to those Air injectors.
Maybe someday they will address the hep c issue. Thousands of vets have it thanks to those Air injectors.
Dickies
Footballguy
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
No kidding. This should be bipartisan, non controversial, not even news worthy.And here I thought this is something we could all agree on.
The Commish
Footballguy
While I agree with this sentiment in general, it does NOT apply here.
Though, you aren't fooling anyone with this shtick unless you're fooling everyone with the other shtick.
The Commish
Footballguy
HellToupee
Footballguy
I’m extremely conservative on some issues and others very progressive.
I want a tight border
like a lot of the MAGA movement
supporter of lgbtq+ rights
have no problem saying trans rights are human rights
In favor of student debt relief and or forgiveness
My 2 Senators are my favorite and most hates pols, Fast Eddie Markey and Warren
joffer
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Sleestak
Footballguy
Kind of got a little "Missionary Ridge" vibe at the moment. Thomas' army seizes some rifle pits at the base of a key ridge in a minor tactical maneuver, then unexpectedly charges straight uphill in the most goosebumps moment of the Civil War and runs the Rebs right off the ridgeline. Breaking the Union out of a grinding siege, avenging Chickamauga (Union soldiers CAN fight!), setting up the long campaign leading to Atlanta, its capture, and the re-election of Lincoln. A reverberating change in tone arising from a minor "procedural" matter.
The D's are looking likely to charge right up that ridge, pass the Inflation Reduction Act, and reap rewards they didn't even anticipate. When word leaked, the R's made a rare mistake. They have made few mistakes lately. They threw a fit, and voted down the nearest bipartisan bill they could find with snarling vengefulness reminiscent of a Putin. When their moment of madness passed they saw to their horror that the popular veteran heath care bill was lying in blood on the ground, under their heel, and everyone was frowning at them. Now they get to spend the weekend contemplating the fact that in a few days they will surely have to pass it anyway. And now they are angry at McConnell for getting snookered. Defeat and disunity taste nasty.
On the other hand, the D's have had a miserable year. McClellan vs Lee bad. But suddenly, at the end of the summer and leading into election season, a few green shoots are emerging. They will claim legislative progress on guns, environment, inflation, and veteran health care. The stock market has found its feet, consumer spending is stable, and inflation should begin to abate. Most importantly, a feeling of relentless, remorseless losing will have been lifted. Who knows what the yield will be? Dot, dot dot.
Of course, they actually have to pass the IRA...
Thank you for your time. I'm just riffing - not trying to anger anyone.
The D's are looking likely to charge right up that ridge, pass the Inflation Reduction Act, and reap rewards they didn't even anticipate. When word leaked, the R's made a rare mistake. They have made few mistakes lately. They threw a fit, and voted down the nearest bipartisan bill they could find with snarling vengefulness reminiscent of a Putin. When their moment of madness passed they saw to their horror that the popular veteran heath care bill was lying in blood on the ground, under their heel, and everyone was frowning at them. Now they get to spend the weekend contemplating the fact that in a few days they will surely have to pass it anyway. And now they are angry at McConnell for getting snookered. Defeat and disunity taste nasty.
On the other hand, the D's have had a miserable year. McClellan vs Lee bad. But suddenly, at the end of the summer and leading into election season, a few green shoots are emerging. They will claim legislative progress on guns, environment, inflation, and veteran health care. The stock market has found its feet, consumer spending is stable, and inflation should begin to abate. Most importantly, a feeling of relentless, remorseless losing will have been lifted. Who knows what the yield will be? Dot, dot dot.
Of course, they actually have to pass the IRA...
Thank you for your time. I'm just riffing - not trying to anger anyone.
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joffer
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
You’re a good dude HT but this post is too forthright. I prefer the old HT, the guy with love for GG and Father Trump.
BobbyLayne
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
It’s $667Bn. One piece is $277Bn and the other part is $390Bn. On a train rn, forget what the different pieces accomplished. I know they’re building 31 new medical centers.
But let’s do some back of the napkin math anyway just to ballpark it.
3.5M affected Veterans rn.
More will be added but that’s the registry as it stands today.
$390Bn / 3.5M = $111K
over ten years so move the decimal
$11K annually per veteran, on average
23 presumptive conditions:
Currently, there are only three presumptive conditions for burn pits (asthma, rhinitis, and sinusitis). The PACT Act will add 23 more presumptive conditions, and most importantly, the new list will include those with respiratory-based cancers. The PACT Act will add the following to the list of presumptive conditions: head cancer of any type, neck cancer of any type, respiratory cancer of any type, gastrointestinal cancer of any type, reproductive cancer of any type, lymphoma cancer of any type, lymphomatic cancer of any type, kidney cancer, brain cancer, melanoma, granulomatous disease (disorder associated with white blood cells), and any other disease the Secretary determines is warranted based on a positive association with certain substances, chemical, or airborne hazard.
(we’re missing a few & I don’t have time to look rn)
The question was: does $11K per Veteran per year too much / high?
I’m a bit biased but I’ll go with no.
the moops
Footballguy
John Stewart has some more to say
https://twitter.com/jonstewart/status/1553127778169536513?s=20&t=OzRfRcpH4IaZsUfN1JmO9w
https://twitter.com/jonstewart/status/1553127778169536513?s=20&t=OzRfRcpH4IaZsUfN1JmO9w
bigbottom
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
rustycolts
Footballguy
Man this just bows me up. Always the same with these politicians Vets come last unless there is a good photo op.
This just reinforces my new voting sop. If you held federal office in any form as of 1/2022 you won't get my vote. What a bunch of Richard's.
Rubio voted yes but would he if he wasn't up for re-election?
This just reinforces my new voting sop. If you held federal office in any form as of 1/2022 you won't get my vote. What a bunch of Richard's.
Rubio voted yes but would he if he wasn't up for re-election?
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
In this case it seems your justified anger rests with Republican’s in the Senate who are butthurt that the Dems passed something.
rustycolts
Footballguy
Just wrote Scott an e-mail not that he will read it or care. Stated that I had voted for him 3 times in the past but he would never receive another vote from me. I also stated that as a Vet he should be ashamed of himself for using his brothers and sisters as pawns in political shenanigans.
Wonder if I made a list.
Wonder if I made a list.
FairWarning
Footballguy
Osaurus
Footballguy
I think we offset each other
, but thank you for writing to him and expressing your displeasure.
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Sleestak
Footballguy
Truth. If you write your Rep (or Sen) you will be on their mailing list for all eternity.
FairWarning
Footballguy
I’m sorting mail now, will see how many campaign ads I have received. Some have sent me a flier every day, now that is a waste.
the moops
Footballguy
Toomey is climbing the rankings of sleaziness. Ted Cruz better watch out
Toomey, during an appearance on CNN’s “State of the Union,” called Stewart a “pseudo-celebrity” and accused the bill’s Democratic backers of “the oldest trick in Washington.”
“People take a sympathetic group of Americans — and it could be children with an illness, it could be victims of crime, it could be veterans who’ve been exposed to toxic chemicals — craft a bill to address their problems, and then sneak in something completely unrelated that they know could never pass on its own, and dare Republicans to do anything about it,” Toomey said.
Toomey insisted that Republicans don’t oppose the bill itself, but are worried about Democrats using it to acquire funds for unrelated matters.
“Republicans are not opposed to any of the substance of the PACT Act,” he said. “What I’m trying to do is change a government accounting methodology that is designed to allow our Democratic colleagues to go on an unrelated $400 billion spending spree.”
Toomey, during an appearance on CNN’s “State of the Union,” called Stewart a “pseudo-celebrity” and accused the bill’s Democratic backers of “the oldest trick in Washington.”
“People take a sympathetic group of Americans — and it could be children with an illness, it could be victims of crime, it could be veterans who’ve been exposed to toxic chemicals — craft a bill to address their problems, and then sneak in something completely unrelated that they know could never pass on its own, and dare Republicans to do anything about it,” Toomey said.
Toomey insisted that Republicans don’t oppose the bill itself, but are worried about Democrats using it to acquire funds for unrelated matters.
“Republicans are not opposed to any of the substance of the PACT Act,” he said. “What I’m trying to do is change a government accounting methodology that is designed to allow our Democratic colleagues to go on an unrelated $400 billion spending spree.”
The Commish
Footballguy
Just saying it enough knowing support wont look into it themselves and just take the lie as the truth
apalmer
Footballguy
On the bright side, next year at this time, he'll be lying as part of his Fox News gig criticizing Senator Fetterman.
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