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HellToupee
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5hByron York @ByronYork
It is amazing that the US stopped oppressing people of color at exact moment Colin Kaepernick became a free agent.
Kaepernick's cowardly cop-outwashingtonexaminer.com
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5hByron York @ByronYork
It is amazing that the US stopped oppressing people of color at exact moment Colin Kaepernick became a free agent.
Kaepernick's cowardly cop-outwashingtonexaminer.com
squistion
Footballguy
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-criticizing-colin-kaepernick-no-sense-article-1.2988056?cid=bitly
KING: Why criticizing Colin Kaepernick because he won’t keep taking a knee during the anthem makes no sense
[...]
First and foremost, I don’t see or hear any activists criticizing Colin Kaepernick — just talking heads. I don’t see anyone who actually puts their life on the line to stand up against injustice criticizing him. That’s not an accident. Anyone who leads protests knows full well that in order to be effective, you change your methods.
You tinker with your approach. You don’t march every single day. You march, then you boycott, then you build programs, then you do a sit in, then you host meetings. You mix it up. If you march every day, people tune you out and your actions become white noise. Every activist I know understands this. Colin understands this because he has the heart and soul of an activist. He is being advised and mentored by leaders from several different generations.
Secondly, the man just did what nobody in mainstream American sports has done in my lifetime. For an entire preseason and an entire regular season of the NFL, this man took a knee during the national anthem before every single football game — home and away — for six straight months. When LeBron James inspired the Miami Heat to wear hoodies before a game after Trayvon’s death, did he sell out by not doing it before every game? When Tommie Smith and John Carlos raised their fists after winning medals in the 1968 Olympics, were they phony for not doing it again at future events? Of course not.
The notion that Colin Kaepernick somehow sold out after sustaining a protest for 20-plus weeks is preposterous. He risked his life and his career in doing so for just a few games. That he kept at it for months and inspired dozens of other athletes to follow his lead was groundbreaking.
Thirdly, I don’t see any coach, player, or person who knows Kaepernick calling him the insulting names I see pundits using. After this season, his teammates on the 49ers voted to award him the most prestigious award the team offers — the Len Eshmont Award — for his courage and inspiration on and off the field. To suggest that Colin Kaepernick was an opportunist this past season when he chose to take a knee immediately tells me two things about you.
First and foremost, it tells me you don’t know him. I know him. The 49ers know him. Men across the league who were inspired by him know him. The owners of the 49ers, who had his back all season long, know him. His family knows him. Calling this man an opportunist is an ugly and unnecessary smear on his character.
When I see this smear, calling him an opportunist, it immediately tells me that you’ve probably never done anything like what this man just did. Hell, few of us ever have. If subjecting yourself to national and international scorn, hate, and disdain from millions of people is opportunism, then I don’t know what that word means. Several polls now call Kaepernick the “most hated man in the NFL.” He is dissed and dogged and memed and harassed more than any player in the league. He has received death threats. His every move is tracked and followed and scrutinized.
His family and personal relationships are under a microscope. I haven’t seen him in a single commercial or ad since he took a knee. This wasn’t opportunism — this was quite the opposite. This was a man putting his entire career and reputation on the line to stand up against racial injustice in America. If you don’t see that, then you must be living in a very peculiar bubble. This has cost this man more than most people will ever understand. Not only that, but Kaepernick has put his money where his mouth is and his donated over $1 million this past year to dozens of different justice-related causes and charities all over the country. Opportunism, my ###.
Fourthly, Colin Kaepernick’s protests were successful. Throughout the season, dozens of players throughout the league joined him. That has never happened before. For months, including in the pre-game Super Bowl special, sports journalists and analysts were forced to talk about police brutality and injustice in America. That would’ve never happened without Kaepernick.
[...] Lastly, I must address the notion that Colin Kaepernick has opted not to continue his protest in this way because “he needs a job.” I’ve seen and heard this criticism more than any others. First, if it was true, then it still wouldn’t offend me, because every single person reading this right now has had to quiet down their personal views to get or keep a job before. That he would somehow be a lesser man for doing what you know damn well you’ve done many times in your life is just plain dumb. We all make adjustments to get jobs or keep jobs. Period .However, the criticism is simply not true. Colin Kaepernick opted out of his contract with the 49ers. He had a guaranteed contract with them and renegotiated out of it.
Also, he’s not hurting for money. He is a frugal man who has lived far beneath his means. He has made over $40 million in his young career. He’s also brilliantly intelligent. He chose to play football, but could’ve taken his life in a million other directions and still could. This young man could do anything he puts his mind to.
KING: Why criticizing Colin Kaepernick because he won’t keep taking a knee during the anthem makes no sense
[...]
First and foremost, I don’t see or hear any activists criticizing Colin Kaepernick — just talking heads. I don’t see anyone who actually puts their life on the line to stand up against injustice criticizing him. That’s not an accident. Anyone who leads protests knows full well that in order to be effective, you change your methods.
You tinker with your approach. You don’t march every single day. You march, then you boycott, then you build programs, then you do a sit in, then you host meetings. You mix it up. If you march every day, people tune you out and your actions become white noise. Every activist I know understands this. Colin understands this because he has the heart and soul of an activist. He is being advised and mentored by leaders from several different generations.
Secondly, the man just did what nobody in mainstream American sports has done in my lifetime. For an entire preseason and an entire regular season of the NFL, this man took a knee during the national anthem before every single football game — home and away — for six straight months. When LeBron James inspired the Miami Heat to wear hoodies before a game after Trayvon’s death, did he sell out by not doing it before every game? When Tommie Smith and John Carlos raised their fists after winning medals in the 1968 Olympics, were they phony for not doing it again at future events? Of course not.
The notion that Colin Kaepernick somehow sold out after sustaining a protest for 20-plus weeks is preposterous. He risked his life and his career in doing so for just a few games. That he kept at it for months and inspired dozens of other athletes to follow his lead was groundbreaking.
Thirdly, I don’t see any coach, player, or person who knows Kaepernick calling him the insulting names I see pundits using. After this season, his teammates on the 49ers voted to award him the most prestigious award the team offers — the Len Eshmont Award — for his courage and inspiration on and off the field. To suggest that Colin Kaepernick was an opportunist this past season when he chose to take a knee immediately tells me two things about you.
First and foremost, it tells me you don’t know him. I know him. The 49ers know him. Men across the league who were inspired by him know him. The owners of the 49ers, who had his back all season long, know him. His family knows him. Calling this man an opportunist is an ugly and unnecessary smear on his character.
When I see this smear, calling him an opportunist, it immediately tells me that you’ve probably never done anything like what this man just did. Hell, few of us ever have. If subjecting yourself to national and international scorn, hate, and disdain from millions of people is opportunism, then I don’t know what that word means. Several polls now call Kaepernick the “most hated man in the NFL.” He is dissed and dogged and memed and harassed more than any player in the league. He has received death threats. His every move is tracked and followed and scrutinized.
His family and personal relationships are under a microscope. I haven’t seen him in a single commercial or ad since he took a knee. This wasn’t opportunism — this was quite the opposite. This was a man putting his entire career and reputation on the line to stand up against racial injustice in America. If you don’t see that, then you must be living in a very peculiar bubble. This has cost this man more than most people will ever understand. Not only that, but Kaepernick has put his money where his mouth is and his donated over $1 million this past year to dozens of different justice-related causes and charities all over the country. Opportunism, my ###.
Fourthly, Colin Kaepernick’s protests were successful. Throughout the season, dozens of players throughout the league joined him. That has never happened before. For months, including in the pre-game Super Bowl special, sports journalists and analysts were forced to talk about police brutality and injustice in America. That would’ve never happened without Kaepernick.
[...] Lastly, I must address the notion that Colin Kaepernick has opted not to continue his protest in this way because “he needs a job.” I’ve seen and heard this criticism more than any others. First, if it was true, then it still wouldn’t offend me, because every single person reading this right now has had to quiet down their personal views to get or keep a job before. That he would somehow be a lesser man for doing what you know damn well you’ve done many times in your life is just plain dumb. We all make adjustments to get jobs or keep jobs. Period .However, the criticism is simply not true. Colin Kaepernick opted out of his contract with the 49ers. He had a guaranteed contract with them and renegotiated out of it.
Also, he’s not hurting for money. He is a frugal man who has lived far beneath his means. He has made over $40 million in his young career. He’s also brilliantly intelligent. He chose to play football, but could’ve taken his life in a million other directions and still could. This young man could do anything he puts his mind to.
rockaction
Footballguy
Jesus, have you ever heard of the fallacy of citing authority? Stop it.
squistion
Footballguy
Mary and Joseph, Shaun King qualifies as an authority on activism, protests and effective tactics (see BLM movement) - or certainly as much if not more so than either Ann Coulter and Byron York, whom HT quoted.
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Shaun King is Exhibit A of a race baiter.
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squistion
Footballguy
http://www.tmz.com/2017/03/04/ladainian-tomlinson-colin-kaepernick-contract/
LaDainian Tomlinson Defends Kaepernick... Anthem Change Ain't About Money
(video of LT at link)
LaDanian Tomlinson says Colin Kaepernick is NOT ending his national anthem protest to score a new NFL contract ... saying he doesn't believe Kaep's change of heart is about money.
Kaep has reportedly decided to stand for the anthem next season because he believes there has been real change in America since he started taking a knee last year.
Some critics say that's a bunch of crap ... he's only changing because he's out with the 49ers and no team will touch him if he continues to protest.
People are divided over the issue -- but our friends at BSO have laid out 10 ways they feel Colin's protest has improved America:
1) More athletes speaking out
2) More youth aware
3) His money into programs
4) More racial injustice pointed out
5) More minds sparked
6) More prejudiced and biased media outed
7) $$$ given to shelters & homeless
8) Minority kids understanding their lives have value
9) Something that will be talked about FAR MORE than Kaep's playing career
10) Showed us before we knew how Trump America would happen
LaDainian Tomlinson Defends Kaepernick... Anthem Change Ain't About Money
(video of LT at link)
LaDanian Tomlinson says Colin Kaepernick is NOT ending his national anthem protest to score a new NFL contract ... saying he doesn't believe Kaep's change of heart is about money.
Kaep has reportedly decided to stand for the anthem next season because he believes there has been real change in America since he started taking a knee last year.
Some critics say that's a bunch of crap ... he's only changing because he's out with the 49ers and no team will touch him if he continues to protest.
People are divided over the issue -- but our friends at BSO have laid out 10 ways they feel Colin's protest has improved America:
1) More athletes speaking out
2) More youth aware
3) His money into programs
4) More racial injustice pointed out
5) More minds sparked
6) More prejudiced and biased media outed
7) $$$ given to shelters & homeless
8) Minority kids understanding their lives have value
9) Something that will be talked about FAR MORE than Kaep's playing career
10) Showed us before we knew how Trump America would happen
rockaction
Footballguy
It's riduculous at this point. Just stupid.
But he doesn't know how stupid it is.
eta* It's twittish. It's constantly ignoring the people of this board not to do something, yet he's still insistent, and not changing any minds. I understand it might be considered expert testimony, but it's still fallacious. And tendentious. And pedantic. And boring.
And stupid.
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squistion
Footballguy
Twittish and tendentious?
Whatever. Better than being pretentious with one's vocabulary usage.Not changing any minds? Well, we can't all hope to have the same impact on forum opinion as you do, can we?
squistion
Footballguy
Bleacher Report spoke to an anonymous AFC general manager
Bleacher Report and an anonymous GM, well, those are two really credible sources, aren't they?
I don't take seriously the supposed concern of a fan backlash or protests after he announced he will be standing for in anthem in 2017. Can't very well hold up a sign saying "Stand up for the anthem Colin!" when that is what is doing - but we will see how this plays out.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
So no visits to date.
- This isn't just about the politics. He's got deficiencies. I'm guessing he wants a decent payday too.
- This isn't just about the politics. He's got deficiencies. I'm guessing he wants a decent payday too.
squistion
Footballguy
Yes, he has deficiencies but later in the season there were several games he kept the 49ers competitive until end. And some of his numbers are rather interesting - From Cian Fahey, who was a FBGs staffer a few years back:
Cian Fahey
Colin Kaepernick:
Interceptable pass rate: 2.11% (2nd in NFL)
Accuracy: 74.92% (14th)
Receptions lost to receiver error: 11.78% (1st)
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
RBM
Footballguy
HellToupee
Footballguy
TheAristocrat
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
There is absolutely no proof of that. No proof that Kaep cost the NFL a cent. Correlation does not imply causation. There were polls that indicated that people were less likely to watch the NFL, but no proof that they actually did. Plus, it was an election year with debates, etc., opposite many games. Not mention an oversaturation of programing with the Thursday night games which everyone seems to dislike.
squistion
Footballguy
Football scholar, expert and statistician that you are, what in these figures or stats that Cian cited that you find meaningless, irrelevant, or not impressive - and why?
Cian Fahey
Colin Kaepernick:
Interceptable pass rate: 2.11% (2nd in NFL)
Accuracy: 74.92% (14th)
Receptions lost to receiver error: 11.78% (1st)
Higgs
Footballguy
Pre-election, ratings were down 12 percent over the previous year. And after the election — and including the playoffs — they were down 5 percent. Add it all up and overall ratings were down 9 percent through the regular season and down 6 percent for the playoffs. Lots of reasons for the decline in viewership. Some of it was most definitely related to disgust with Kaepernick. I know you don't read Breitbart, but they have a large and growing audience. And every single week they would have an article on Kaepernick and the other protests. The comments section clearly showed many people turned off the NFL due to his actions.
Higgs
Footballguy
Here's a good analysis of the Kaepernick effect on ratings, including a poll taken showing Kaepernick as the #1 reason for people tuning out.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/finance/news/yes-colin-kaepernick-is-hurting-nfl-ratings-184531361.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/finance/news/yes-colin-kaepernick-is-hurting-nfl-ratings-184531361.html
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I like Fahey but Kaep doesn't have any visits to any teams. The 9ers have already signed 2 QBs.
squistion
Footballguy
He was never going to re-sign with the 49ers. New coach, new offense - his past history means nothing as part of the old regime.
No visits but that doesn't mean there have been no contacts with his agent.
He has too much going for him not to resurface eventually as a starter. It is not a question of if it is a question of when. I would be willing to put a side bet on it. Look at mediocre QBs who keep getting or have gotten another shot...Rex Grossman, Jimmy Clausen, Fitzpatrick...
Kaep is not the player he was that took SFO to the SB. He has regressed (which I have said repeatedly in this thread). That said, he demonstrated on a horrible offense that he deserves another shot - particularly with his running and scrambling ability.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The Saints have Luke McCown. Brees missed one game 2015 and McCown was lights out terrific in his one start vs a good Panthers D. I really don't think Kaep fits in a Saints offense or any west coast offense. I'd rather have McCown. - A fun exercise for me is ranking the league's backups for a while, haven't done that for a while. I wonder where Kaep would fit, then the question is who would be a good system for him. He doesn't fit in every system, especially not traditional passing offenses. He's succeeded with Harbaugh and Kelly. He won 1 game last year, and under Tomsula he went 2-6 and was outperformed by Gabbert. Honestly given the Saints system I'd rather have Chase Daniel. But different teams would make more sense.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The Jets and Chan Gailey seem obvious to me. I have no idea why that isn't happening.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I do think he eventually gets a call. He's a vet, he will land somewhere.
squistion
Footballguy
Which is what I have said all along. Contrary to what the OP and others keep falsely claiming, I never said he was a great QB, just that he was better than Gabbert, should have been made the starter (which he was as he brought much more to the table than Blaine). I am certain he will eventually start again on some team on the league (perhaps being a backup this season in the interim).
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Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
squizz basement scout.
Which is what I have said all along. Contrary to what the OP and others keep falsely claiming, I never said he was a great QB, just that he was better than Gabbert, should have been made the starter (which he was as he brought much more to the table than Blaine). I am certain he will eventually start again on some team on the league (perhaps being a backup this season in the interim).
squistion
Footballguy
Since you always impress people with your take on figures and stats for players...and obviously Cian's last numbers left you speechless (outside of an insult) perhaps you can attempt to explain why this clarification of the above is not even more impressive?
Cian Fahey
11.78 percent of Colin Kaepernick's attempts last year were accurate passes that resulted in incompletions.
3.55 percent of Andy Dalton's.
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Shoot_Me_Now
Footballguy
Kaep throws the ball 100 mph to a guy 5 feet away from him. Andy dalton doesn't.
This is easy to see if you actually watch Kaep play for five minutes.
This is easy to see if you actually watch Kaep play for five minutes.
squistion
Footballguy
Cian Fahey's film study doesn't show that and he has looked extensively at QBs and WRs in the league with a book or publication forthcoming on the subject. So, it appears he has watched both Kaep and Dalton for more than five minutes, or so I would imagine.
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Why are you defending this guy. He sucks and has zero integrity. There are better things to fight for than this guy..
squistion
Footballguy
Actually he has more integrity than most people, for standing up for something that could have and may ultimately cost him his career.
And he is not as bad as his critics contend, as shown by Cian Fahey's numbers.
Again, he will resurface in no less than two years as a starting QB in the league, I am fairly certain of that. Not saying he will take whoever he is playing for to the SB or even to the playoffs - but given the dearth of starting quality QBs in the league (which should be obvious to anyone) he will be the staring QB for some franchise in the near future.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Higgs
Footballguy
The guy was doubly stupid. He protested a fallacious cause (black oppression) and he did so inappropriately by disrespecting millions of people. Dumb idea - dumb execution. Add to that him conveniently dropping his protest when he hits the open market and you have a dumb guy who doesn't have integrity. Not the type of guy you want leading a team.
squistion
Footballguy
Into a season long protest of kneeling silently during the national anthem? Okie Dokie.
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
Yes, There is no longer any discrimination against African Americans or people of color in this country. That is a fallacious cause.
matuski
Footballguy
Fallacious causes and disrespecting millions of people. Sounds like the leader of the free world right now to me.
squistion
Footballguy
Classic.
Only in the FFA.
A guy born in Ireland gets bashed on St. Paddy's Day, as if that somehow discredits his football analysis.
Higgs
Footballguy
On an individual basis, of course it still exists. Does it amount to "systemic racism" or "oppression"? No. It's been debunked and the majority of Americans don't buy it anymore. http://www.dailywire.com/news/7347/7-statistics-show-systemic-racism-doesnt-exist-aaron-bandlerYes, There is no longer any discrimination against African Americans or people of color in this country. That is a fallacious cause.
squistion
Footballguy
And on an individual basis is how most black people and other people of color experience it.
If you ask most black people if there is systemic racism in the country, a majority will say yes. What most white people like you believe doesn't mean that blacks and minorities still don't experience discrimination regularly and quite often on a daily basis.
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
Higgs
Footballguy
Actually, most people (even blacks) view blacks as being more racist than whites. http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/july_2013/more_americans_view_blacks_as_racist_than_whites_hispanics
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
NYJ are the perfect fit. They'll get him cheap & you know they'll be awful. Great spot to watch his career conclude.
squistion
Footballguy
Rasmussen? Okie Dokie.
Your claim that most people views blacks as being more racist than whites is not supported by your link.
Only 37% view most blacks as being racist, while 15% consider most whites racist.
That is a 22% difference and 22% may be a plurality, but it is not close to being a majority to qualify for the claim of being most.
In addition, no numbers are given as to how many or what percentage of blacks view blacks as being more racist - yeah, I imagine there are some, so "even blacks" is technically true, but that could be less than 10%.
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