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Pure Squistion Entertainment (formerly the Colin Kaepernick thread) (2 Viewers)
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BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
Kafka
Footballguy
Ok....whatever. I feel zero fear when I stand for the national anthem. You can comfort yourself with whatever fantasy you wish to rationalize your strange thoughts.
Kafka
Footballguy
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Kafka
Footballguy
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I think this might be my favorite, considering that Trump's entire campaign revolves around the notion that this country sucks. He complain about various aspects of this country every day- how we communicate with one another, who we choose for elected office, how we conduct elections, our tolerance of other religions, how we protect ourselves from danger and how we balance that need for protection with certain core values, our progress on a variety of issues in recent years. It's even in his slogan. A necessary component of making something "great again" is that it is not currently great.
I'm sure he will seize on it, by the way, because logical consistency is not really his thing. But it sure seems to me that spending a year touring the country telling everyone how much everything about it sucks and that it used to be a lot better is quite a bit more disrespectful than sitting down during the playing of a song at a football game.
But hey, what do I know.
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honky kong
Footballguy
No doubt a lot of you lunkheads railing on Kapernick are the same guys that cry about the country being too worried about political correctness.
HE'S JUST SAYIN' WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK, MAN!
honky kong
Footballguy
Bear with me here, because it's complicated....
He's saying that the ideals that the flag represents are ideals that aren't actually being applied to everyone equally. You know, hypocrisy and all that...
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Megaton
Footballguy
I understand his intended message, keep up with the discussion. But his action did not communicate that to the vast majority of people . It was a horrible PR move.
E-Z Glider
Footballguy
lol at Eagles rookie saying he is going to sit too and his agent immediately coming out and saying oh no he isnt.
horrible business decision, but good for these guys forstanding up sitting down for what they believe in.
horrible business decision, but good for these guys for
honky kong
Footballguy
Ok, what did it communicate to the vast majority of people? You been doing some polling on this topic?
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Yup, Trump went after him, as expected. AND DEADSPIN STOLE MY TAKE!
Although to be fair it was a pretty obvious take.
Megaton
Footballguy
There is a poll in this thread and social media is blowing up and it is not positive for him. The message people are getting is a disrespect for the values his statement says he support. When most people don't get your message, there is a good chance you are doing it wrong.
squistion
Footballguy
Not really, as the Deadspin article points out:Trump nails it again.Find a better country, you rich loser.
Trump’s entire campaign is based around the idea that America is stumbling, or broken, or fundamentally subpar in some way—“Make America great again” and all that. His response to someone else who believes America needs to fix things is to tell him to look for another country. Incredible.
I’m reminded that “if you don’t like it, get out” was a common rejoinder to political protests of the Bush era—as if America were perfect, and supporting it means never acknowledging its faults, and if you want to call attention to its shortcomings and work to make it better, you must not truly love it. That refrain seemed to have thankfully disappeared from top-level political discourse. God bless Donald Trump for never failing to disappoint with the takes.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I totally disagree. Just because Trump is a rich loser who trashes this country incessantly doesn't mean he should be instructed to find a new one. It takes a village, you know. And even the village idiot is part of that village.Trump nails it again.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
When traditional values are challenged, it's more likely that those who hold them are uninterested in debating any alternative message.
honky kong
Footballguy
Polls on "social media" and a football message board that largely consists of middle-aged white dudes? And even here, the people upset about it are barely over 50%. Ok, guy. Keep on keepin' on.
honky kong
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Can you guys take the Trump/Hillary talk elsewhere? I believe we might have a thread or two that covers them.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
If you want to include numbers from here, you should also point out only about 10% are supportive of him
Polls on "social media" and a football message board that largely consists of middle-aged white dudes? And even here, the people upset about it are barely over 50%. Ok, guy. Keep on keepin' on.
honky kong
Footballguy
Ok.....If you want to include numbers from here, you should also point out only about 10% are supportive of him
Only 10% of people here are supportive of him.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Just pointing out the numbers, they're right there to see.Ok.....
Only 10% of people here are supportive of him.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
It's a terrible poll. None of the answers excludes any of the others. For example, I think he's kind of a doosh, but I also admire the courage of his convictions. However when you get down to it I don't really care about it all that much one way or another, I'm mostly just here to laugh about the hot takes. So what option should I pick?Ok.....
Only 10% of people here are supportive of him.
Megaton
Footballguy
So after you laugh at my point, you concede it.Ok.....
Only 10% of people here are supportive of him.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Not going to bother searching the whole thread, but it looks like the story about Kaepernick converting to Islam is a hoax.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Got a link for this?
There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
13 pages in and you're the ONLY person to express this
Pretty straightforward poll that 250 people haven't expressed any misunderstanding about, but when the numbers aren't what you hope for, you can make some silly irrelevant TFunke like argument, good for you
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honky kong
Footballguy
Yeah, no. I said using a poll here as evidence for "how the vast majority of people" feel about it is dumb so I have no problem conceding what a poll here says. I don't think it is necessarily representative of anything other than what the people in the FBG FFA who bothered to click on this thread think. I figured that was obvious but I guess not.So after you laugh at my point, you concede it.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
I'm sure FC's phone is ringing off the hook with offers from Gallup after this.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
And don't forget that some people here have aliases they can use to vote more than once, as evidenced by the fact that fantasycurse apparently forgot to switch back from his megaton alias before replying to you.
honky kong
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I support his right to not stand for the national anthem, and I support his right to protest.
I also think it was a bad place and time to do it.
I already thought he was kind of a #####, and this doesn't make it any better or worse.
I also think it was a bad place and time to do it.
I already thought he was kind of a #####, and this doesn't make it any better or worse.
CGRdrJoe
Footballguy
I'm sure your post is complete trash but I'm not going to bother reading it /hottake13 pages in and you're the ONLY person to express this
Pretty straightforward poll that 250 people haven't expressed any misunderstanding about, but when the numbers aren't what you hope for, you can make some silly irrelevant TFunke like argument, good for you
Megaton
Footballguy
FFA tends to be highly educated (MC and Em exceptions), socially liberal leaning and fairly libertarian. The fact he is getting trounced here is a pretty darn good indicator he is doing even worse among the general population.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
You're aware of how polling works though? They don't poll 10's of millions of people to start coming up with estimates.
However, I'll easily concede that this poll is obviously only representative of this community, but this is a pretty well-rounded community with how everyone leans.
honky kong
Footballguy
Megaton
Footballguy
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
I didn't see a single mention of someone getting paid leave while they got away with murder.
The link was in my post.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
While the demo here is prob majority middle class, middle age, white, slightly stupid, and out of shape - we do have a good mix of political & ideological leanings here.
honky kong
Footballguy
The "vast majority" of the general population has no idea who Colin Kapernick is. If you gave the person on street this question:
Colin Kapernick:
a. sucks
b. is awesome
c. turnips
....turnips has a good shot.
honky kong
Footballguy
Oh, ok. I didn't think we were taking one thing he said and focusing on that. I thought we were going bigger picture here. Sorry.
Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
I can see both sides of the Kaepernick situation.
First, I'd prefer that Kap stand for the national anthem, but I don't believe people should be forced into acts of reverence if they don't actually hold those feelings.
Second, I can understand Kap equating the American flag with the Confederate flag since there was slavery under earlier incarnations of the American flag; but Kap, like most of the people who hold his view, give no credit for all that has been done under the American flag to help eradicate slavery and racism and to aid black people both in America and abroad. Blacks fair far better by every metric of standard of living in America than they do in any majority black nation, and America provides considerable monetary and economic aid to black nations in order to help alleviate black suffering worldwide. The United States makes life better for black people, not worse.
Third, I disagree with Kap that America oppresses black people, but if he honestly believes that I have respect for him as a man to stand by his principles knowing full well that it will lead to considerable outside disdain and may cost him sponsors or his job.
One aspect of the Kap situation that I haven't seen anyone mention (likely because it's taboo or fireable, and likely because most people don't have experience with this issue) is that Kap's actions may be, at their core, driven by a personal identity crisis that Kaepernick has struggled with for some time.
For those unfamiliar with Kap, he is the biological son of a black father and white mother. His father was instantly absent and his white mother put Kap up for adoption. He was adopted by a white couple and raised in a middle class white community in Wisconsin during his first few years of life. Kap and his family then moved to a white community in California where he was raised until college.
Despite a middle class white upbringing Kap has always come across as though he's trying to be accepted as more black. Early in Kap's career this dynamic manifested itself in Kap acting "street". He got the tats, wore the apparel, and even had the manner of speech. It was, in my opinion, an attempt to be accepted as more black despite his very white upbringing. It was an identity issue.
Now Kap has moved away from that street persona toward a more political black rights persona, but it's likely being driven by the same dynamic -- to be viewed and accepted as more black.
All this may sound odd, but Barack Obama has shared similar sentiments in Dreams From My Father. Barack's black father left almost immediately after birth, and Barack was raised in a non-black world. First, by a white mother in Kansas and the Pacific Northwest. Then as one of the few black or mixed people in Indonesia. And finally raised by his white grandparents in Hawaii. Barack, according to his own writings and comments from his half-brothers, took steps to be viewed as more black in an attempt to connect with an aspect of his identity he felt was deprived from him during his formative years. Other half-black authors have shared a similar scenario. I think what we have seen and are currently seeing by Kap is a manifestation of the same identity issue dynamic.
First, I'd prefer that Kap stand for the national anthem, but I don't believe people should be forced into acts of reverence if they don't actually hold those feelings.
Second, I can understand Kap equating the American flag with the Confederate flag since there was slavery under earlier incarnations of the American flag; but Kap, like most of the people who hold his view, give no credit for all that has been done under the American flag to help eradicate slavery and racism and to aid black people both in America and abroad. Blacks fair far better by every metric of standard of living in America than they do in any majority black nation, and America provides considerable monetary and economic aid to black nations in order to help alleviate black suffering worldwide. The United States makes life better for black people, not worse.
Third, I disagree with Kap that America oppresses black people, but if he honestly believes that I have respect for him as a man to stand by his principles knowing full well that it will lead to considerable outside disdain and may cost him sponsors or his job.
One aspect of the Kap situation that I haven't seen anyone mention (likely because it's taboo or fireable, and likely because most people don't have experience with this issue) is that Kap's actions may be, at their core, driven by a personal identity crisis that Kaepernick has struggled with for some time.
For those unfamiliar with Kap, he is the biological son of a black father and white mother. His father was instantly absent and his white mother put Kap up for adoption. He was adopted by a white couple and raised in a middle class white community in Wisconsin during his first few years of life. Kap and his family then moved to a white community in California where he was raised until college.
Despite a middle class white upbringing Kap has always come across as though he's trying to be accepted as more black. Early in Kap's career this dynamic manifested itself in Kap acting "street". He got the tats, wore the apparel, and even had the manner of speech. It was, in my opinion, an attempt to be accepted as more black despite his very white upbringing. It was an identity issue.
Now Kap has moved away from that street persona toward a more political black rights persona, but it's likely being driven by the same dynamic -- to be viewed and accepted as more black.
All this may sound odd, but Barack Obama has shared similar sentiments in Dreams From My Father. Barack's black father left almost immediately after birth, and Barack was raised in a non-black world. First, by a white mother in Kansas and the Pacific Northwest. Then as one of the few black or mixed people in Indonesia. And finally raised by his white grandparents in Hawaii. Barack, according to his own writings and comments from his half-brothers, took steps to be viewed as more black in an attempt to connect with an aspect of his identity he felt was deprived from him during his formative years. Other half-black authors have shared a similar scenario. I think what we have seen and are currently seeing by Kap is a manifestation of the same identity issue dynamic.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
You could say it was one thing, and I'll say it was the main point of his initial statement.
Sconch
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
While I would never vote for Trump, if anyone else said this, they'd have my vote.
We can call a spade a spade, Hillary will be doing this, which is why I've warmed up to the idea of her presidency.
squistion
Footballguy
Agreed, this poll has methodology problems for the reasons you mentioned, but also his bias is shown in the OP (Colin Kaepernick sucks) and in the poll questions, suggesting the desired answer by leading off with "He's an #######". He edited the original OP which was even more revealing of his attitude:
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