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Kaep Sitting for Anthem


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Has this been posted yet........

After speaking with seven anonymous NFL front office members, Bleacher Report's Mike Freeman came away with the opinion that teams "truly, truly hate" Colin Kaepernick, and he may never play another down in the league.

"I don't want him anywhere near my team," one front office executive said. "He's a traitor." Another team executive said, "He has no respect for our country. [Expletive] that guy." And according to one GM, "In my career, I have never seen a guy so hated by front office guys as Kaepernick." One executive said he'd rather resign than sign Kap. Freeman believes '90-95 percent' of teams feel this way, and he thinks it's possible Kap will be blackballed once/if he's cut by the 49ers.

 
 
Source: Bleacher Report


well, now i'm torn.  given that i know football players are largely among the most accepting, open, intelligent, tolerant people walking amongst us and not troglodytes like the general public... for football people have such a strong negative reaction to non-conformity... i may just flip to the conservatives side on this one.

 
I couldn't really care less what Colin Kaepernick does or doesn't do during the national anthem.  He's always been a doosh in my eyes, well before his stand to sit.  

What's funny though, is he is protesting the same flag that allows him the freedom to protest in the first place. 
No, the Constitution allows him the freedom to protest.  

 
I couldn't really care less what Colin Kaepernick does or doesn't do during the national anthem.  He's always been a doosh in my eyes, well before his stand to sit.  

What's funny though, is he is protesting the same flag that allows him the freedom to protest in the first place. 
If everybody thought it was too ironic to protest, we'd never have protests in the first place. This doesn't seem to be a very helpful observation.

 
I don't think he's the smart either.
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http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/40896864/

Going into his senior year at Pitman, Kaepernick met with counselor Philip Sanchez, who told him that his course load and 4.3 weighted GPA easily met all of the NCAA requirements. So why not go easy, Sanchez suggested as they looked at an open slot on his schedule? Protect that perfect “A” record, and take a free period or work as a teacher’s aide. It’s what seniors do. “He said ‘I don’t want a free period. What else is there?’” Sanchez said. “And there was a psychology class, so he took that.’’

say what you will about those scores and how they correlate to real world intelligence but i don't think he would qualify as "not smart"

 
I couldn't really care less what Colin Kaepernick does or doesn't do during the national anthem.  He's always been a doosh in my eyes, well before his stand to sit.  

What's funny though, is he is protesting the same flag that allows him the freedom to protest in the first place. 
almost as weird as the people who say he doesn't have a right to protest because he lives in America where the flag..... disallows.... his freedom ... to protest?

 
I couldn't really care less what Colin Kaepernick does or doesn't do during the national anthem.  He's always been a doosh in my eyes, well before his stand to sit.  

What's funny though, is he is protesting the same flag that allows him the freedom to protest in the first place. 
I think dragging the entire team into his protest was the "dooshiest" thing he has done and the real reason his career is likely over.

 
I must have missed Kaepernick pulling his entire team into his protest.  The guy sat while the national anthem played.  And he answered questions about it when asked.  That's all. 

Seems to me that he's provided his teammates and every other NFL player prime opportunities for the most self-serving pious patriotism ever.  Even ####heels like Ben Rothleisberger get to profess their disapproval. 

 
coming out, as a football player, in defense of patriotism/America reminds me of people who jump on the first opportunity to say they are against child molesters

way to go out on a limb, you gorilla

 
Fall for what?  Advertising?  Good luck with that.
You're gonna think about it the next time the league or some team goes all red, white and blue before a game. Maybe you'll turn to the person next to you and say, "you know what, this is stupid." And if you don't, maybe a bunch of other people will who wouldn't have before.

After this, we'll take to the schools and indoctrinate your kids like we did with religion and gay marriage.

 
I must have missed Kaepernick pulling his entire team into his protest.  The guy sat while the national anthem played.  And he answered questions about it when asked.  That's all. 

Seems to me that he's provided his teammates and every other NFL player prime opportunities for the most self-serving pious patriotism ever.  Even ####heels like Ben Rothleisberger get to profess their disapproval. 
I found it hard to miss.  They were standing all around him.

I'm sure they are all eagerly awaiting next week when they can be used as props for a giant political statement right before their game again.

 
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I'm sure the team is excited to have a giant political statement made at the beginning of every one of their games.  It's clearly not going to impact the team focus or the media coverage at all.
guy sits down, camera pans in front of him, team collapses from the weight of the pressure and forfeits, franchise folds

 
coming out, as a football player, in defense of patriotism/America reminds me of people who jump on the first opportunity to say they are against child molesters

way to go out on a limb, you gorilla
Reminds me of one of my favorite FFA posts ever.  I believe it was in a thread about some person killing their own mother.  FBG Nigel Tufnel posted:

"For the record I would NEVER kill my mother"

or something to that extent

 
You're gonna think about it the next time the league or some team goes all red, white and blue before a game. Maybe you'll turn to the person next to you and say, "you know what, this is stupid." And if you don't, maybe a bunch of other people will who wouldn't have before.

After this, we'll take to the schools and indoctrinate your kids like we did with religion and gay marriage.
I'm well aware of the advertising.  It doesn't bother me.

 
I'm sure the team is excited to have a giant political statement made at the beginning of every one of their games.  It's clearly not going to impact the team focus or the media coverage at all.
If the team didn't want a political statement at the beginning of every game, they might consider not having a public referendum on people's patriotism at the beginning of every game.

I think the Niners should probably be more upset that Kaepernick can't beat out Blaine Gabbert than that he sits during the national anthem.  Seems more relevant. 

 
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If the team didn't want a political statement at the beginning of every game, they might consider not having a public referendum on people's patriotism at the beginning of every game.

I think the Niners should probably be more upset that Kaepernick can't beat out Blaine Gabbert than that he sits during the national anthem.  Seems more relevant. 
The Niners and their players don't have a choice in the matter.  It's a league issue.  I don't see what your discontent about the national anthem has to do with them.  It's not their fault.

 
The Niners and their players don't have a choice in the matter.  It's a league issue.  I don't see what your discontent about the national anthem has to do with them.  It's not their fault.
Your logic would extend to any player having any opinion.  Ever.  Tom Brady is friends with Donald Trump!  Now poor Dion Lewis is going to be asked a bunch of Donald Trump questions.  How dare Tom!  Whatever you feel about Kaepernick, your argument is spectacularly stupid.  Even for the internet. 

 
Your logic would extend to any player having any opinion.  Ever.  Tom Brady is friends with Donald Trump!  Now poor Dion Lewis is going to be asked a bunch of Donald Trump questions.  How dare Tom!  Whatever you feel about Kaepernick, your argument is spectacularly stupid.  Even for the internet. 
:lol:

His protest is in uniform, at the beginning of every game.  I don't see that as the same as Brady talking to Trump in his free time.  You are free to disagree though.  And I won't even call your argument stupid!

 
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If the team didn't want a political statement at the beginning of every game, they might consider not having a public referendum on people's patriotism at the beginning of every game.

I think the Niners should probably be more upset that Kaepernick can't beat out Blaine Gabbert than that he sits during the national anthem.  Seems more relevant. 
it is more relevant.  But I have yet to hear a coherent arguement from those against the national anthem.  The team and league is excersizing their right to portray and conduct their business as they see fit.  The player used his right to express his opinion and has to accept the consequences.  There is no one being wronged here.  There is no real issue.  Free speech is working.  The only point that makes any sense is the phobia of nationalism which has been expressed.  Other than that, where is the problem? 

 
Man - "I think it's only right to tell you that I've concluded that religion is a fraud."

Crowd - "Burn the heretic!"

Man - "Woah, what's with the political correctness?"

 
Man - "I think it's only right to tell you that I've concluded that religion is a fraud."

Crowd - "Burn the heretic!"

Man - "Woah, what's with the political correctness?"
Man: I will sit silently to show my discontent

Crowd: "Burn the Heretic!!"

Man: 

 
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:lmao:

"Lookit that colored fella just standing over there.  I bet inside he's got ideas.  Who does he think he is?"
"He's making me feel uncomfortable with his standing there and looking contemplative, Bernie. CALL THE COPS BEFORE HE DOES SOMETHING!!"

 
:lmao:

"Lookit that colored fella just standing over there.  I bet inside he's got ideas.  Who does he think he is?"
You can't make a coherent arguement against having the national anthem so you drag in racism to this.  Classy. :thumbup:  

 
Pretty sure this is about racism, chach.
Kaep was attempting to make a point about racism. This discussion is about him being a classless turd and being criticized for it.  The color of his skin had no bearing on that.  Why not articulate what the real concern is the lefties have with the national anthem?   I have asked a dozen times in this thread and all I get is crickets.  

 
Kaepernick is no Jackie Robinson

 

Colin Kaepernick opened the door with his political statement recently. I wonder if he really opened a can of worms.

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, one of the most-politicially active athletes of my generation, interestly opined that Kaepernick should be considered a patriot for his views, whether we agree with him or not. He compared the actions of the San Francisco 49ers, in which he decided to sit down during the playing of the National Anthem before their last two exhibition games, to that of USA pole vaulter Sam Kendricks, who stopped in his tracks just before attempting his jump when he heard the playing of the national anthem in the Rio arena. 

"What makes an act truly patriotic and not just lip-service is when it involves personal risk or sacrifice. Both Kendricks and Kaepernick chose to express their patriotism publicly because they felt that inspiring others was more important than the personal cost," Abdul-Jabbar wrote.

 
I get it. Kaepernick expressed his views. As long as he's not yelling "fire" in a movie theatre or claiming to be a terrorist on an airplane, everything is fair game.

Here was Kaepernick's statement to the NFL Media after his recent game:

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color. To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."

I believe this is really a Black Lives Matter statement, rather than his own. I believe he talking about "cops" on leave, "getting away with murder," while bodies are strewn everywhere in the streets.

Of course, there was no mention of police who died over this mess. There was no mention of black cops being arrested and charged in Baltimore for the "killing" of a black man in the back of a police van.

When informed that the national anthem is often considered a "statement" to honor our soldiers, past and present, some who died for his country, Kaepernick quickly jumped to his own defense.

He says didn't mean to offend those people, some of whom are of all colors and races. I believe him. 

But Kaepernick wasn't smart enough to realize that when he went on his diatribe about oppression. 

I wasn't going to ask these questions about Kaepernick, but they need to be asked if he wants to be the next Jackie Robinson:


 


Has he ever studied or done an extensive report on the oppression of blacks? 

Has he ever donated a portion of his salary or created a program to help the cause of any race?

Why did he wait until he was a backup, with a guaranteed $54 million coming his way, to make this political statement?

Why are most of his current tweets (@kaepernick7) and retweets about race and/or white supremacy?

 
Does he have any other interests?

Would he call the police if he was in trouble?

It's a slippery slope Kaepernick has decided to ride. You could argue, like Abdul-Jabbar did, that we need more athletes like Kaepernick who are willing to speak their minds about something they feel strongly about. You could also argue he has all but ensured that another San Francisco 49ers season has ended before it has begun.

As for the Jackie Robinson connection/comparison, I take offense to that.

Robinson was one of the strongest people, mentally, from the 20th century. What he had to endure is sadder than sad, when "white supremacy" was an ugly and tangible thing. By moving forward, he really paved the way for change in the world's landscape and might be as important as anyone as to why Kaepernick, who is half-black, has lived the life of luxury and received star treatment for more than a decade.

If Kaepernick really wants to stand for something, stand for making things better for all of those in need. Talk is cheap. Get off your butt and do something about it.

 
Kaep was attempting to make a point about racism. This discussion is about him being a classless turd and being criticized for it.  The color of his skin had no bearing on that.  Why not articulate what the real concern is the lefties have with the national anthem?   I have asked a dozen times in this thread and all I get is crickets.  
jonny, in this situation you really can't discuss one and not the other.

If you go to the Shark Pool thread, all the biggest critics of Kaep keep talking about his race, being raised by white parents, and how can he talk about black people and those of color being oppressed when he has a multi-million dollar contract and Obama was elected president twice? 

And no, I am not saying his critics are all racists, but given how much the discussion in both threads has focused on his race by his critics, it is rather disingenuous to say "The color of his skin" is irrelevant to the discussion.

As far as the national anthem goes, I don't have a problem with it being played at a public event and I suspect that most liberals/progressives don't either, although some of the comments here would indicate otherwise. Never seen a poll on liberal/progressive attitudes on the subject.

I also don't have a problem with Kaep silently sitting through it. It is not something I would personally do if I shared his views. And if I was his agent I would have advised against it because the media #### storm was foreseeable. But if he wants to sit during the playing, fine that is his right.

 
jonny, in this situation you really can't discuss one and not the other.

If you go to the Shark Pool thread, all the biggest critics of Kaep keep talking about his race, being raised by white parents, and how can he talk about black people and those of color being oppressed when he has a multi-million dollar contract and Obama was elected president twice? 

And no, I am not saying his critics are all racists, but given how much the discussion in both threads has focused on his race by his critics, it is rather disingenuous to say "The color of his skin" is irrelevant to the discussion.

As far as the national anthem goes, I don't have a problem with it being played at a public event and I suspect that most liberals/progressives don't either, although some of the comments here would indicate otherwise. Never seen a poll on liberal/progressive attitudes on the subject.

I also don't have a problem with Kaep silently sitting through it. It is not something I would personally do if I shared his views. And if I was his agent I would have advised against it because the media #### storm was foreseeable. But if he wants to sit during the playing, fine that is his right.
This was discussed for numerous pages without the issue of race.   The issue which was discussed and is in the OP is about standing for the national anthem.  The race issue is a diversion.  The race issue was not a point made by his critics. 

 
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Kaep was attempting to make a point about racism. This discussion is about him being a classless turd and being criticized for it.  The color of his skin had no bearing on that.  Why not articulate what the real concern is the lefties have with the national anthem?   I have asked a dozen times in this thread and all I get is crickets.  
There are 20 pages of arguments against the anthem before athletic events. We're getting a little tired of having to carry your lazy butt in this thread.

 
There are 20 pages of arguments against the anthem before athletic events. We're getting a little tired of having to carry your lazy butt in this thread.
First off, exactly.  This thread was about the anthem and had zero to do with race.  Second off, there still has not been a legitimate point against the anthem except for some phobia about nationalism.  You are not carrying anybody.  

 
Being in the minority position in this issue doesn't make it the wrong position. Wish we could get the OP to recognize that simple fact but he's over at the oth:e:r board threatening to beat up other posters.
You in the minority, but also a little wrong even though IU agree with some of what you wrote

 
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