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Pure Squistion Entertainment (formerly the Colin Kaepernick thread) (2 Viewers)
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MattFancy
Footballguy
General Malaise
Footballguy
And yet, this way seems to be the most effective way to communicate their dissatisfaction. Disagree with me all you want, but they have our attention. There are people in this country who are fed up with the current state of affairs. They are exercising their rights to protest, which, may bother you to the core, but don't you think police treatment of black people in this country bother them too?
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Yet you post watch pictures, physique pictures, car pictures, parties you were at pictures.I'm an #######, I don't deny being one either
If you must know though, I've donated about $25k to St Jude's over the last half decade, I'm proud of that.
Unlike others in this thread, I don't ride around on a high horse for no reason though.
You're pretty ####### oblivious, aren't you?
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I had to sit at my piano to play along with the violinist during the Niners game, stood for the first one.
SWC
Bromigo
hey man i just said that stop copying the old swcer although i did sign it fasheeshusly as swd so that probably threw you off so the swcer aka swd forgives you take that to the bank
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
SWC
Bromigo
i sort of figured you as a contrabasoon man but hey learn something new every day take that to the bank
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
There is no way to have a honest debate with dishonest lefties..The second anybody disagrees with you all they are labeled racist.
General Malaise
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I can easily get someone's attention, however if I get their attention in a way that they find distasteful, the likelihood is my message will fall on deaf ears, no?
Most of the people arguing in here, already had a strong stance on race issues. The goal should be to bring new voices (on your side) into the conversation, I don't think this method accomplishes that.
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Sconch
Footballguy
General Malaise
Footballguy
Not all forms of protest are pleasing to everybody. There's nothing Kaepernick (has your swath of disdain widened to include all players that kneel or is Kaepernick your focal point only?) will do in the future to change your opinion on him. You rooted for him to get his bell rung last night (yes, I know football parlance, I still find it distasteful that you rooted for him to get his head hit hard enough to ring it) so I don't think anything Kaep does will change your opinion about him. Chances are he wasn't even on your radar screen before this all happened. Judging by your words here, you had already relegated him to a worthless clipboard holder who was beat out by Blaine Gabbert (who looked pretty good last night, no?).
The arguments in here seem to be centered around opinions on Kaepernick and not race relations; least, that's why I've been active. I think the anger and vitriol spit at Kaepernick is way overblown and in time, those who huffed and puffed and spewed all the venom will regret their choice of words and sentiment on the man, much like American views changed on Muhammad Ali from draft dodger to American icon. Kaepernick feels that black people are mistreated by police and that race relations need to be improved. Hate his actions all you want, but since he sat down, it's been daily conversation in many different circles that normally don't care one way or the other about back-up quarterbacks. He has been a top trender on social media since this all went down too. And look, he's not alone anymore either. You say his method of protest hasn't accomplished anything and I disagree.
I do think your FIL is a badass. That's a pretty strong resume and I can understand your reverence for the flag and our country because of a good man like him.
squistion
Footballguy
No. It didn't in the 60s for the Civil Rights movement. Most Americans found sit-ins at segregated lunch counters and public marches by blacks quite distasteful. Many in that era thought MLK was a publicity hound and was just doing it to further his own agenda, but if he and others hadn't rocked the boat, segregation in the south would not have ended with the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I just find his act in extremely poor taste, and I'm someone who outside of the noise actually agrees with the message. Goes back to my point, if someone finds the act of protest (kneeling for the National Anthem, on 9/11 especially disgusts me) distasteful, hard to get them to rally around you. I think you'll find the people joining the conversation and supporting Kaep are those that already had those strong feelings to begin with.
Sconch
Footballguy
SWC
Bromigo
disagree brohan when i hear it on the radio it is like this well kaspernicus stinks we all know that but what he is protesting is blah blah blah and off they go in to the meat of what his protest is about and race relations and that is on conservative talk radio here in the waukee so say what you want the attention has been broughten and people are talking about what he was driving people to talk about take that to the bank bromigos
squistion
Footballguy
DeadspinVerified account @Deadspin 1h1 hour ago
Colin Kaepernick won.
http://deadsp.in/dIlgkin
[...]
The fears—or, more to the point, the hopes—that Kaepernick would be isolated by the NFL machine and expelled from the league as an example of what happens when players speak their minds about social issues now appear to be unfounded. In fact, the opposite has happened. Kaepernick alone could have been cut and blackballed, but with a dozen or so players, many of them stars, behind him, the league has been forced to bend in his direction.
[...]
The NFL and its constituent teams are famously conservative and risk-averse. The acknowledgement from owners and coaches that the protests were valid, and that the message behind them is important, signals that Kaepernick has beaten the Blue Lives Matter crowd in the court of public opinion. This was never more clear than this past Friday, when the Santa Clara Police Officers’ Association backed down from its threat to not help police Niners games this season. On Monday night, when a man sprinted onto the field during the game, there were plenty of cops around to haul him away.
Still, the true impact of Kaepernick’s protest won’t be clear for a few weeks. The players who joined him will presumably continue their protests. They will likely be followed by others. Eventually, the protests will cease to be front-page news. They instead will have been absorbed into the fabric of the NFL, and by extension society itself. The Overton window will have been shifted, if even ever so slightly.
The onus to make good on Kaepernick’s protest—to turn conversation into action that lessens the oppression of black lives—falls on some vague notion of “us,” and it’s fair to be skeptical of that happening. But Kaepernick has done his part, and so have the other players he inspired. The NFL had no choice but to respect it.
Colin Kaepernick won.
http://deadsp.in/dIlgkin
[...]
The fears—or, more to the point, the hopes—that Kaepernick would be isolated by the NFL machine and expelled from the league as an example of what happens when players speak their minds about social issues now appear to be unfounded. In fact, the opposite has happened. Kaepernick alone could have been cut and blackballed, but with a dozen or so players, many of them stars, behind him, the league has been forced to bend in his direction.
[...]
The NFL and its constituent teams are famously conservative and risk-averse. The acknowledgement from owners and coaches that the protests were valid, and that the message behind them is important, signals that Kaepernick has beaten the Blue Lives Matter crowd in the court of public opinion. This was never more clear than this past Friday, when the Santa Clara Police Officers’ Association backed down from its threat to not help police Niners games this season. On Monday night, when a man sprinted onto the field during the game, there were plenty of cops around to haul him away.
Still, the true impact of Kaepernick’s protest won’t be clear for a few weeks. The players who joined him will presumably continue their protests. They will likely be followed by others. Eventually, the protests will cease to be front-page news. They instead will have been absorbed into the fabric of the NFL, and by extension society itself. The Overton window will have been shifted, if even ever so slightly.
The onus to make good on Kaepernick’s protest—to turn conversation into action that lessens the oppression of black lives—falls on some vague notion of “us,” and it’s fair to be skeptical of that happening. But Kaepernick has done his part, and so have the other players he inspired. The NFL had no choice but to respect it.
mr. furley
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2016/09/colin_kaepernick_s_protest_is_working.html
Colin Kaepernick’s Protest Is Working
[...]
Back in August, Steve Wyche of NFL Media asked the San Francisco 49ers quarterback why he didn’t stand for the national anthem. (He’d done the same thing the previous two weeks but nobody had noticed.) When Kaepernick explained he was protesting the oppression of black Americans, he was widely ridiculed as an ignorant, washed-up millionaire athlete who just wanted attention. Well, one of those things was true. Kaepernick did want attention, and he’s getting it. The guy in the Fidel Castro T-shirt is changing the way we talk and think about sports and symbology and patriotism. The people calling him a dummy are having the conversation Colin Kaepernick wants them to have.
[...]
What has Kaepernick’s supposedly empty gesture achieved thus far? It’s inspired football players and other athletes to speak up about race and police violence, and to do so in such a way that reporters, fans, and team owners actually pay attention. According to Robert Klemko, more than 70 NFL players, including Kaepernick, Foster, and Richard Sherman, are in a group text talking about “what Kaep started.” That’s not a gesture. That’s a movement.
The 49ers franchise announced they would donate $1 million to, in the words of the team’s chief executive, Jed York, “the cause of improving racial and economic inequality and fostering communication and collaboration between law enforcement and the communities they serve here in the Bay Area.” Kaepernick has pledged $1 million of his own money to address the same issues. “I have to help these people. I have to help these communities. It’s not right that they’re not put in a position to succeed or given those opportunities to succeed,” he said. That’s a movement with money to back it up.
Just as important, Kaepernick has made his fellow Americans think about what they’re standing for, and why. No NFL player stood for the national anthem until 2009—before then, the players stayed in the locker room as the anthem played. NFL teams got patriotic in recent years because it was good for business. A 2015 congressional report revealed that the Department of Defense had paid $5.4 million to NFL teams between 2011 and 2014 to stage on-field patriotic ceremonies; the National Guard shelled out $6.7 million for similar displays between 2013 and 2015.
And as the San Francisco Chronicle’s Ann Killion noted, if you think Kaepernick’s gesture is an empty one, you need to grapple with the fact that “standing for the national anthem before a sporting event is an equally empty gesture for many people.” Consider that, as Marcus Peters raised his right fist in Kansas City’s Arrowhead Stadium, thousands of fans interrupted the supposedly sacred anthem to yell out “home of the CHIEFS!” Thousands more jersey-wearing, beer-swilling patriots booed President Obama’s pre-recorded Sept. 11 speech as it poured out of PA systems in Baltimore, Seattle, and New Jersey. Patriotism!
If Kaepernick had donated $1 million without the anthem protest, or if he’d stuck to venting on social media, then prominent columnists and TV yakkers wouldn’t be calling him an idiot. Nobody would be saying anything at all, because nobody would care. Back in our nonhypothetical universe, an NFL player who happens to be black and happens to play quarterback happened to sit during a patriotic pre-game ritual to protest the country’s racial inequities. Kaepernick’s gesture worked because it was divisive—because his supporters celebrated him for giving voice to the voiceless, and because his detractors amplified that voice by trying to shout it down with ad hominem attacks. His protest, striking at the heart of America’s most cherished pieties from the stage of its favorite sport, was precision engineered to accomplish exactly what it’s accomplished, and the response has only proved its necessity. Who’s the idiot now?
Colin Kaepernick’s Protest Is Working
[...]
Back in August, Steve Wyche of NFL Media asked the San Francisco 49ers quarterback why he didn’t stand for the national anthem. (He’d done the same thing the previous two weeks but nobody had noticed.) When Kaepernick explained he was protesting the oppression of black Americans, he was widely ridiculed as an ignorant, washed-up millionaire athlete who just wanted attention. Well, one of those things was true. Kaepernick did want attention, and he’s getting it. The guy in the Fidel Castro T-shirt is changing the way we talk and think about sports and symbology and patriotism. The people calling him a dummy are having the conversation Colin Kaepernick wants them to have.
[...]
What has Kaepernick’s supposedly empty gesture achieved thus far? It’s inspired football players and other athletes to speak up about race and police violence, and to do so in such a way that reporters, fans, and team owners actually pay attention. According to Robert Klemko, more than 70 NFL players, including Kaepernick, Foster, and Richard Sherman, are in a group text talking about “what Kaep started.” That’s not a gesture. That’s a movement.
The 49ers franchise announced they would donate $1 million to, in the words of the team’s chief executive, Jed York, “the cause of improving racial and economic inequality and fostering communication and collaboration between law enforcement and the communities they serve here in the Bay Area.” Kaepernick has pledged $1 million of his own money to address the same issues. “I have to help these people. I have to help these communities. It’s not right that they’re not put in a position to succeed or given those opportunities to succeed,” he said. That’s a movement with money to back it up.
Just as important, Kaepernick has made his fellow Americans think about what they’re standing for, and why. No NFL player stood for the national anthem until 2009—before then, the players stayed in the locker room as the anthem played. NFL teams got patriotic in recent years because it was good for business. A 2015 congressional report revealed that the Department of Defense had paid $5.4 million to NFL teams between 2011 and 2014 to stage on-field patriotic ceremonies; the National Guard shelled out $6.7 million for similar displays between 2013 and 2015.
And as the San Francisco Chronicle’s Ann Killion noted, if you think Kaepernick’s gesture is an empty one, you need to grapple with the fact that “standing for the national anthem before a sporting event is an equally empty gesture for many people.” Consider that, as Marcus Peters raised his right fist in Kansas City’s Arrowhead Stadium, thousands of fans interrupted the supposedly sacred anthem to yell out “home of the CHIEFS!” Thousands more jersey-wearing, beer-swilling patriots booed President Obama’s pre-recorded Sept. 11 speech as it poured out of PA systems in Baltimore, Seattle, and New Jersey. Patriotism!
If Kaepernick had donated $1 million without the anthem protest, or if he’d stuck to venting on social media, then prominent columnists and TV yakkers wouldn’t be calling him an idiot. Nobody would be saying anything at all, because nobody would care. Back in our nonhypothetical universe, an NFL player who happens to be black and happens to play quarterback happened to sit during a patriotic pre-game ritual to protest the country’s racial inequities. Kaepernick’s gesture worked because it was divisive—because his supporters celebrated him for giving voice to the voiceless, and because his detractors amplified that voice by trying to shout it down with ad hominem attacks. His protest, striking at the heart of America’s most cherished pieties from the stage of its favorite sport, was precision engineered to accomplish exactly what it’s accomplished, and the response has only proved its necessity. Who’s the idiot now?
rockaction
Footballguy
mr. furley
Footballguy
[–]Mentis 355 points 22 hours ago*
I wish this argument would just stop rising from the dead.
I urge everyone to take a gander at MLK's Letter from Birmingham Jail from 1963. Alternative link here.
I wish this argument would just stop rising from the dead.
I urge everyone to take a gander at MLK's Letter from Birmingham Jail from 1963. Alternative link here.
- The parts I want to isolate, my bold for emphasis:
- which also follows with:
- as well as:
squistion
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Oh, dear, Scotch and Burley are quoting MLK in Kaep's defense.
This is awesome. And I still agree with his right not to stand; it's just the posters in this thread are ludicrous.
This is awesome. And I still agree with his right not to stand; it's just the posters in this thread are ludicrous.
CGRdrJoe
Footballguy
My FiL was a very high ranking FDNY member, he is an actual hero who has saved dozens of lives and lost a bunch of his men on 9/11, maybe 9/11 means something more to me than others
Dude was on his day off and raced in on a rig as the towers were burning, he was crossing the Brooklyn Bridge with two other off-duty guys as people just like us were running for their lives. As they were crossing the bridge, the first tower came down.
What have you internet SJW's done IRL? Serious question... I actually asked Roadkill weeks ago and never received a response.
After attending a 9/11 memorial on Sunday, I spent the day drinking here http://i.imgur.com/IRwO6fp.jpg You can say it is a safe bet that of 371 firefighters that lost their lives on 9/11, each one of them had a friend in this room. How do you think they feel about someone kneeling during the National Anthem on 9/11? Hint - it is a rhetorical question.
I would do anything to have one of you schleps come speak this stuff IRL to this room of heroes on a 9/11 anniversary.
I feel the same way about someone kneeling on 9/11 as I do 11/11, 12/7, 7/4, 3/5, etc.....Here is a listing of my real life awards that the Coast Guard has given me:
Issue Date Code Honor and Award
05/17/2013 CGFC CG Commendation Medal
01/30/2005 CGGWOTS Global War Terror Service Medl
01/31/2011 CGHC CG Achievement Medal
06/09/2009 CGHC CG Achievement Medal
07/20/2007 CGHC CG Achievement Medal
04/30/2003 CGHC CG Achievement Medal
04/02/2015 CGMA CG Unit Commendation Ribbon
05/27/2011 CGMA CG Unit Commendation Ribbon
07/18/2006 CGMA CG Unit Commendation Ribbon
03/28/2006 CGMA CG Unit Commendation Ribbon
07/22/2004 CGMA CG Unit Commendation Ribbon
06/17/2004 CGMA CG Unit Commendation Ribbon
06/05/2001 CGMA CG Unit Commendation Ribbon
07/05/2013 CGMB CG Meritorious Unit Comm Ribbo
06/05/2007 CGMB CG Meritorious Unit Comm Ribbo
12/28/1998 CGMN CG Pistol Marksman Ribbon
07/09/2015 CGMT CG Meritorious Team Comm Ribbo
07/07/2015 CGMT CG Meritorious Team Comm Ribbo
10/10/2011 CGMT CG Meritorious Team Comm Ribbo
12/01/2010 CGMT CG Meritorious Team Comm Ribbo
02/20/2008 CGMT CG Meritorious Team Comm Ribbo
10/22/2013 CGNA CG Comdt Ltr of Comm Ribbon
10/31/2008 CGNA CG Comdt Ltr of Comm Ribbon
05/01/2006 CGNA CG Comdt Ltr of Comm Ribbon
05/15/2002 CGNH National Defense Service Medal
05/19/2006 CGNP Humanitarian Service Medal
12/06/2005 CGNP Humanitarian Service Medal
05/12/2011 CGNQ CG Special Ops Service Ribbon
05/28/2008 CGNQ CG Special Ops Service Ribbon
05/27/2008 CGNQ CG Special Ops Service Ribbon
11/30/2005 CGNQ CG Special Ops Service Ribbon
01/29/1999 CGNS CG Basic Trng Honor Graduate
05/25/2006 CGPUC CG Presidential Unit Citation
12/07/2013 CGSD CG Good Conduct Medal
12/07/2010 CGSD CG Good Conduct Medal
12/07/2007 CGSD CG Good Conduct Medal
12/06/2004 CGSD CG Good Conduct Medal
12/07/2001 CGSD CG Good Conduct Medal
Sconch
Footballguy
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mr. furley
Footballguy
"i could really get behind this Kaepernick guy if he just protested the right way.. at the right time... over the right issues. there's no such thing as racial tension in this country. at least not to me.. i don't see color. then a guy like this comes along and stirs the pot and darkies start getting ideas."
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
As long as those links don't fit your narrative, and you're not willing to articulately counter the points made, I guess you're finally right.
St. Louis Bob
Footballguy
Would MUCH rather a protest of not standing for an anthem than these racist pieces of ####. People had to be scared to death at the restaurant. Not sure how carrying assault rifles chanting about killing people is legal.
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St. Louis Bob
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Sconch
Footballguy
Sconch
Footballguy
Hey, I have nothing against the colored but disrupting the city bus service is going a little too far. Parks should have made a picket sign. Nothing too big, maybe the size of a sheet of notebook paper. Then picket out in front of the bus company HQ. But at a respectful distance from the front door. Maybe say 75-100 away. I'd say 15 to 20 minutes in the evening after business hours.
This is really out of line. I don't think even DD would tolerate this kind of assery. It's one thing to disapprove of the method of protest but there has to be some perspective. The reaction from those that disagree with the team are proving the protest and the issue behind are legit. Feel awful for those kids.
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This is scary as well. How walking through neighborhoods armed to the teeth is going to be constructive is beyond me.
mr. furley
Footballguy
really?? can't she just do it at home? inside, of course. not telling anybody about it, though. that would be attention seeking. just... you know... quietly in prayer or something.. to the Christian god, of course.
she just made it so i can't sit wherever i want on the bus which really just ####### ruined America
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Squistion is going to link tweets and articles regardless of any contribution I make. Too bad you're not in the political threads to see it happen hourly.
SWC
Bromigo
honest question snotty why is that bad i like reading the links people put up as long as they are on topic take that to the bank bromigo
rockaction
Footballguy
Because they're op-eds, generally, predictably biased towards squistion's point of view. They also have the effect of citing authority, which is a logical fallacy. And it's like going to the bullpen. Slows down the conversation and means you can't make it on your own. Largely, in this context (a message board) his incessant linking shows an inability to think for himself and he usually just weighs in with whatever authority he agrees with. It's a way to ruin conversation while seeming superior at the same time. That's why people resent it.
SWC
Bromigo
yeah but how is that any different than you attacking the people that say things you dont like in this thread like changing there names and attacking them instead of what they are saying i mean thats based on your point of view and it has the same effect of slowing the conversation and clearlyy indicates you believe yourself superior to them how is that not going the bullpen honest man i just dont see it but hey we might just disagree on that no hard feelings take that to the bank
rockaction
Footballguy
I'm not superior, nor am I trying at all to change their names. The board software is doing it -- you can type in burley or scotch and the same thing will happen take that to the bank brogan. And weren't you changing my name to snotaction a while before this all happened?
Mr. Furley. Scotch. I can't just type in burley or scotch or it changes the name.
And I am attacking them because they're ridiculing people with opposite opinions. Maybe I should let those people stick up for themselves, but I'm sick of it. burley was whining to Joe about moderation in the political forums and scotch is just a troll four names over. It irritates me, that's why.
No hard ones, and I have to go to the bank later so I'll think of the old SWC'er.
SWC
Bromigo
oh man i am the king of changing names i do not like to brag but around these parts i am known for making up a pretty good nickname now and again such as randall the touchdown robber cobber and travis the flying burrito kelce and here is the thing if either one of those guys knelt down during the national anthem i would say hey not what i would do but i would at least be willing to say ok i get it the issue they are raising is one that needs to be addressed but this thread started off with a bunch of guys getting all holier than thou and imagining that in the history of the usa no one has ever used the anthem to raise a valid political point which is just wrong and wishing nothing but ill on the guys doing the protesting so scancharelli and furley and me a little rightly made fun of the absurdity of the absolutism of the guys being larooshes and that is a valid response i think when someone goes way over the line in an opposite direction but hey just my opinion take that to the bank bromigo
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the board isn't changing anything
Donkey Derp
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