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Making baseless insults isn't a good way to have a conversation
No, certainly not calling black Americans an enemy. Just trying to see if there is a difference.
Then do it and let everyone else do what they want to do. Why do you need everyone else to do it?
We don't need everyone to do it. We are simplying pointing out he is being disrespectful. Not so sure why that is so hard to understand.
The racism is right there below the surface, in much of what you say about these guys, and I'm sure even you know it. We're seeing in this country (and others) right now just how widespread white racism still is, even in my own family, people I love and show respect and will continue to do so, but I feel comfortable enough waving that broad brush when I see people waving the flag with such.. sustained fervor, in a clear effort to drown out somebody's message. Sure, of course by being so crass I'm the ####### here, but I'm also giving you the opportunity to prove me and others wrong.Making baseless insults isn't a good way to have a conversation
Calling someone a racist, now twice, for having a feeling on patriotism is your opinion, which you're entitled to, I just have no reason to debate something that far off or continue.
There is no doubt racism still exists and probably always will yo some degree, but this is not about racism. There are plenty of African Americans who see this as disrespectful.
Sorry, but I see you do this a lot. How many black Americans do you have evidence of who think what this dude is doing is disrespectful?
It's not all about racism but seeing as how that's his reason for doing it, why shouldn't it be part of the conversation? This thread has been the same circle jerk for weeks!
i think there's a correct time and place for protest. certainly it should not be disrespectful or disruptive. it shouldn't interfere with my day to day. i certainly don't want to hear about it on the news. it should be peaceful and targeted to a very limited scope. it should involve people that i think have the proper gravitas. it should never be led by someone that doesn't have proper rebellious credentials.
we're saluting a symbol. a symbol is art. it means different things to different people. i can no more force you to look at a painting and see what i see in it than i can force my kids to listen to me in the morning when they're getting ready for school.
as soon as people like Kaepernick realize that everything is fine and stop trying to change the status quo, we'll all be better off.
20 percent of African American disapprove of his actions. But the number for finding it disrespectful specifically would be much higher. Whether you disapprove or approve depends on whether you weigh his right to be disrespectful more than the message he is trying to convey. I am not even sure why this is a debate. Of course it is disrespectful. That is the ####### point. It is the value you place on his message whether you approve or not.
Over generalizations never seem to help. I have done it before and I have made an effort to stop and debate specific points. The over generalizations usually come across as the biggest d-baggish posts.
:sigh:i think what everyone is missing here is that white people in this country are fine. there's nothing bad about America that anyone should be protesting
all these stories about privilege and inequality and racial disparity.. it's just sour grapes from lazy people.
maybe if they tried harder to achieve they'd actually have some success.
we're all playing on a level field. we all have the same opportunity. if people really wanted to "overcome" their perceived disadvantages then they would.
i'm tired of hearing people complain about how hard they had it growing up... as though that's some kind of excuse.... they don't know my story. I had it hard. we struggled. we had to make our own lunches starting in 6th grade. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW TAXING THAT IS????????????????????
seriously. people just don't understand that a little hard work and initiative would make America great again.
Shouldn't he just shut up and be happy with the country that he became rich in? Multibillionaire, doesn't sound like things are too bad for him. If that's "not great," then sign me up!!
Values are weighted. They are not an all or nothing thing. I put weight into his arguement that there are racially issues that are deciding the country. We see it on the news every night. It is a difficult issue that nobody seems to have answers for. But I put more value into the people who fought and died for this country and the ideals on which the country is made up on and choose to honor them during the national anthem. There is a time and place for both.
Checking out. I was interested in a serious conversation. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice...
That's awful. I read this as, "There's a problem and we've determined no one has the answer. Now stand up for American ideals and shut up." Can we add, "Instead of offending my patriotic sensibilities, go ##### about it on twitter where nobody has to hear you?"
They should appreciate the fact that they're an American. We have it sooooooo much better than anywhere else on this globe. I feel strongly we should all, everyone, stand together as Americans and be grateful about it.
More generalizations, you guys are great.
Maybe you haven't read the whole thread and just feel like making baseless accusations. You should read the thread, or other quotes from some before calling them racist. By your logic, over half of this board is racist based on the poll.
I think your loaded and outdated poll and how much you cling to it is about the most racist thing you've got goingThey should appreciate the fact that they're an American. We have it sooooooo much better than anywhere else on this globe. I feel strongly we should all, everyone, stand together as Americans and be grateful about it.
More generalizations, you guys are great.
I hate that flag, FTR.
But I'm just a stupid plantation owning / slave riding racist
Maybe you haven't read the whole thread and just feel like making baseless accusations. You should read the thread, or other quotes from some before calling them racist. By your logic, over half of this board is racist based on the poll.
Perhaps you missed comments of mine where I said I actually agree with the premise of the message (especially inequalities amongst minorities, not just blacks either, hispanics too) - I work in a field where communicating and figuring out the best method of making that communication is extremely important. If someone agrees with your message, but disagrees with how you deliver it, strong chance you won't gain their support. Also, I don't think this board is over 50% racist, FTR.
What about the CBS poll? Those numbers lean even heavier against him than this poll and are much more recent.
You've always got polls, I know. My accusation was a reaction to an overarching attitude in here, and the idea that because a guy's action is officially non-patriotic his message should be rendered unimportant or invalid. To me that concept is un-American. I feel like to jon_mx for example, his message is not important enough .. or maybe there is no message important enough.. there's some inconsistency there. Maybe it's me.
So without reading comments, you make accusations of racism on what? Seems to be an overarching theme to your posts, maybe you should step back on that and realize everyone has different reasons. Sure, there are absolutely racists out there that don't support Kaep, does that make them the majority, or even a big percentage? Who knows, but to lump everyone in there without any facts is wildly incorrect.
Perhaps you didn't read the posts I quoted, perhaps you're just not bright, IDK
I reworded that a little because I didn't mean for it to read like I haven't been in here, I just can't remember who said what. Because I'd inferred from other posts that you didn't respect the message but you straightened me out.
It was guaranteed to go that way pretty much from the get-go if you saw the original OP (which was edited but still exists in quoted form on the first page) and this poorly constructed poll from the OP who shows his bias against CK not only with his beginning comments, but also with the specific poll choices (which several here thought did not provide them a choice as to how they really felt).
Do you not consider police officers murdering black people to be an emergency?
you're right black Americans have it better than, say, the Roma or maybe the untouchables in India. even better than Syrians right now.
