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Pure Squistion Entertainment (formerly the Colin Kaepernick thread) (1 Viewer)
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mr. furley
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maybe you don't quite understand how America works. judging by your posts here i feel pretty confident in saying you don't.
this is a country founded on the very idea that the people could not be controlled and dictated to. no one was going to tell us to pay respect and bow to the crown. so some people, dissenters even
, took a stand and stopped singing the British anthem.. stopped paying homage to the king.. and forged their own way.how non-patriotic of them!
after a while some people even got mad enough to take up guns and form their own government in direct opposition to the British. how rash!
eventually, those people who existed under the auspices of the crown won out and created this government that we now call the United States of America.
lots of those people (most? at least 51% anyways) were really, really white.
after they beat the British they decided.. hey.. these Indians sure are a troublesome lot
we should get rid of some (most? at least 80%) of them after some time and a couple agreements, most (at least 90%) of them were gone or moved really far away to other parts of the land
but eventually we caught up to them and got rid of them, too now we had all this land to tend to and, well, who really wants to work amirite?
so some really bright guy decided to buy people to do it for us for a couple hundred years there everything was going pretty great and America was great and we were kicking ### and changing names (literally!) of countries all over the world
then some Doctor guy and a boxer said "this is weird, why can't i drink water or shop at the same place as the butcher?"
and lots of people got really really really angry about that. because America was great and by golly only someone who didn't want America to be great would dare to change things and so for the last 40-50 years or so we've had people ruining America
except now we have a Presidential candidate that's going to make America great again! and here we are.
mr. furley
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Sconch
Footballguy
mr. furley
Footballguy
Dickies
Footballguy
No, but for someone who constantly espouses America as being the greatest country and that it must not be disrespected, he sure has a simplistic view of how things function.
White cops kill unarmed black man.
jon_mx: "well if the black community would stop committing crimes then maybe the cops would leave them alone"
normal response: "well, the man was unarmed and minding his own business"
jon_mx: "Then they will find evidence of misconduct and it will go to trial and the police officer will spend the rest of his life in jail"
Sconch
Footballguy
SWC
Bromigo
some user named sooch just got a little number by his bell up there and was like awww yeah someone finally liked a post and them bam disappointmentville pops up on old soochs map take that to the bank bromigos
There are about 15,000 murders each year. The cops kill about 1,000 people a year, of which about 90 are unarmed. Yes there are too many murders. Yes there are too many people killed by cops. I would guess most of those 90 get most of the publicity and most of the scrunity as they should. Probably several deserve prision, certainly more than zero which is what usually happena. But is the handful of unjustified killings by police the real problem or the 15,000 other murders? Solving the issues with police is a start, but it is far from the solution. The anger is understandable.
Sconch
Footballguy
By focusing the anger at police and making hyperbole arguements? By disrespecting the national anthem? We have a black president, where is he on this? Oh, I am sorry. The last time I suggested Obama should lead a national conversation on this issue I got a 45-day ban from Sherrif Joe.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
JZilla
Footballguy
And it's not only about the killing, it's certain cops operating way over the line in black communities. The communities have no real recourse, other than protest. The police community is sure to call out when somebody steps to them for the actions of "a few bad apples," but who's pulling out the bad apples?
whiskey7
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And a few years back, some kids in a CA school were told to change their clothes because it had the American flag and the school's administrators feared the sight of the American flag on Cinco De Mayo would spark violence.
The kids were sent home. For simply wearing the stars and stripes. In the US. Because of what the Mexican students might do. Think about that for a second.
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Sconch
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squistion
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Which they should have been. The deliberately wore their flag t-shirts and bandanas on Cinco De Mayo specifically to provoke the Hispanic students. (And it is funny the people who supported these kids didn't see wearing the flag as clothing at all as being disrespectful).
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whiskey7
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Even if these kids did it 100% as an FU to the Mexican students, it should take a lot more than simply wearing a t-shirt/bandana with a pic of the American flag to get in trouble at an American school, no? Also, what does that say that that is all it would take to provoke violence from someone else living in the US?
squistion
Footballguy
No, it was worn specifically to provoke the Hispanic kids as a gesture to dis their celebration of Cinco De Mayo and their heritage.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Thank you for quoting Squistion and reminding me why I have him on ignore.
This is in reference to sending kids home for wearing an American flag shirt.
Hypocrite much? Absolutely the worst. Whiskey, please put him on ignore, TIA.
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whiskey7
Footballguy
Why would/should the US flag be a dis to the Hispanic kids? They live here in the US. Its not like the shirts had a pic of someone pissing on Mexico.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
The odds are fairly low that a country, material, or dead guy know if I stand.
I stand out of respect and appreciation, life could be much much worse.
squistion
Footballguy
Context is everything:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/flagshirts.asp
Live Oak had a history of violence among students, some gang-related and some drawn along racial lines. In the six years that Nick Boden served as principal, he observed at least thirty fights on campus, both between gangs and between Caucasian and Hispanic students. A police officer is stationed on campus every day to ensure safety on school grounds.
On Cinco de Mayo in 2009, a year before the events relevant to this appeal, there was an altercation on campus between a group of predominantly Caucasian students and a group of Mexican students. The groups exchanged profanities and threats. Some students hung a makeshift American flag on one of the trees on campus, and as they did, the group of Caucasian students began clapping and chanting "USA." A group of Mexican students had been walking around with the Mexican flag, and in response to the white students' flag-raising, one Mexican student shouted "f*** them white boys, f*** them white boys." When Assistant Principal Miguel Rodriguez told the student to stop using profane language, the student said, "But Rodriguez, they are racist. They are being racist. F*** them white boys. Let's f*** them up." Rodriguez removed the student from the area.
whiskey7
Footballguy
So Mexican students (living in the US) walking around an American school with a Mexican flag is to be considered pride in their heritage. But when some white kids bust out the US flag at an American school, it's not only considered racist but also incendiary to the tune the Mexican kids want to f*** them up? Who has the problem here??
HeavyMatt04
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Sconch
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jonessed
Footballguy
I don't see why that matters. If the Mexican students don't like to see the American flag on clothing they need to get over it.
jonessed
Footballguy
They have the same recourse as everyone else. Baltimore and Chicago are some of the most liberal cities in the country. If they want change, vote for it.
urbanhack
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squistion
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Sconch
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jonessed
Footballguy
It is. Baltimore is over 60% black. If this is an important issue for them then they need to elect people that see it that way too. They have the power to do it, so do it.
Sconch
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urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Just like the majority of black people in South Africa stopped apartheid from happening?
msommer
Footballguy
jonessed
Footballguy
There is no apartheid in Baltimore. Most of the city government is black and black citizens can vote the same as everybody else.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
Not being so at all. This was a high school student situation with a history of interracial violence and the white students were deliberately provoking the Latinos hoping for it to happen again. Kaep was not trying to incite violence at the stadium by kneeling silently while the anthem is being played.
Ridgeback
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squistion
Footballguy
You start a thread and don't even have the guts to read posts from those that disagree with your anti-Kaep tirade and hatred. So you put them on ignore. Sad.
rockaction
Footballguy
Is this a no borders, no states argument or is this an argument about the symbolism of our flag qua flag?
HeavyMatt04
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
You are showing yourself to be a complete fraud. Either you support people's rights to express themselves or you don't. You dont get to call people out for asking for Kaepernick to be punished and then support punishing people for wearing a shirt.
You have basically come in here and said I support freedom of expression when you agree with it and be quiet and go home when you don't.
I also love how you are trying to spin Kaepernick's actions. All he did was kneel silently! it's not like he plopped his rear down on a bench...err wait. It's not like he wore a shirt to provoke....Errr... wait. I mean its not like he wore socks to provoke...errr... wait.
Fraud.
squistion
Footballguy
Freedom of expression does not allow you to shout "Fire" in a crowded theater - there are limits to free expression.
These were high school students (who don't have the same rights of free expression as do adults per SCOTUS decisions) and who had antagonized Latino students a year prior on Cinco De Mayo to the point of violence and were attempting to do so again. The school administrators were within their rights to restrain freedom of expression to protect the safety of the students they are in charge of and are legally responsible for.
Kaepernick was not trying to provoke violence at any game by sitting or by kneeling silently and it has not resulted in violence at any game. The shirt was not worn at any game, it was worn at a press conference. The socks were not worn at any game, they were worn only in practice.
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urbanhack
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urbanhack
Fight The Power!
cstu
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I love when you bring up things that are irrelevant and act like you are correcting somebody. Who cares if Kaepernick wore the shirt and socks at a game? What does that have to do with anything? When did anybody say he wore them at a game?
Who cares if you can't yell fire in a crowded theater? You could get kicked out for yelling "Jesus Saves", "I love Clinton", or almost any other sort of behavior management thought was causing a disruption to their business. So what is your freaking point? This thread has never been a discussion of whether or not Kaepernick should be arrested or be prohibited by law from protesting. It has been about about whether or not he should be doing it and/or how much of a donkey he is for wearing stupid socks and a stupid shirt and/or whether or not the 49ers should do something about it.
The shirts didn't cause any violence that day at the school either. So bringing up that there has been no violence due to the protests of Kaepernick is again, not relevant. The school claimed they acted because they thought there could be violence against the students wearing the shirts.
Thank god this whole national anthem thing has never involved any threats made on twitter or anything right? (oh and I am being sarcastic since I know your next step would be to post some stupid tweets in your feed that involved threats and act like you were proving me wrong on some detail).
More than likely the school acted because they didn't want to, how did you put it, "diss" the mexican students. That is a thing these days you know. People get butthurt because they get dissed. Although you wouldn't know anything about that right?
Kind of insulting to the mexican community to paint them with a brush that they can't control themselves and would obviously beat these kids up because of their tshirts.(nevermind that they had been at school for hours with almost no incident). Even though these kids motivation was questionable (just like Kaepernick's) the simple fact is that they were sent home for wearing tshirts with american flags on them. How can anybody support that?
This quote regarding this incident is kind of interesting.
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