QB Combo for 2012 (1 Viewer)

[Eminence]

Every year, there are a few QB that present MASSIVE value at their ADP if you forego one of the 'Elite QBs'.

Michael Vick 4th Rounder.

This is a player who when healthy will produce TOP 5 points at the position. I've seen him fall into the 4th - 6th round. The Eagles were an absolute mess last year and with a healthy (and motivated) Jackson, Maclin, and McCo we may very see Vick produce his career year. Why he's falling so far? I don't know.

If he misses a few games I guess we'll just have to start...

Matt Ryan 7th Rounder.

How this guy is falling this far when he has a the surrounding cast in White + Jones to produce Top 5 numbers? This is a guy who has increased his yards and touchdowns every season he's played. Even if he produced similar to last year:

4,177 Yards / 28 Touchdowns

As a 7th Rounder? That's sick value for the guy who has the keys to a Ferarri. The Falcons want Ryan to take control of that team (win a playoff game). They didn't waste all those picks to NOT pass the ball to Jones.

 

[Faust]

Vick and Ryan have potential to be a decent QB pairing.

Greg Cosell recently wrote about both players:

Cosell Talks: Michael Vick / Matt Ryan

 

[kutta]

Is Vick really going in the 4th-6th round? I haven't had any drafts yet, but that seems crazy to me.

 

[MDSkinner]

Current ADP for redraft this year at MFL

Currently they are listed there as QB6 and QB10. I would have a tough time picking two QB's that go out of the top 10 QB's but I would imagine they will be a good combo.

 

[Dragon1952]

I would have a hard time picking Ryan over Vick in any game.

 

[Eminence]

I would have a hard time picking Ryan over Vick in any game.

Matt Ryan scored 2 or more Touchdowns in 9 games last season. That's consistent. Jones is going to more involved without the lockout.If Vick becomes snake bitten, Ryan can go really go off this year.

 

[NeverEnough]

Vick doesn't last until the 4th in most leagues.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Current ADP for redraft this year at MFL

Currently they are listed there as QB6 and QB10. I would have a tough time picking two QB's that go out of the top 10 QB's but I would imagine they will be a good combo.

Im pretty surprised Vick is still the top QB choice (albeit barely) after the Fab 5. He was great when you got him for nothing in 2010, but a disaster as a 1st last year. He could have value as QB6, but last year is more par for the course of his career than 2010, which is why Im surprised his stock is still so high.Last year, I sort of used a similar approach to what the OP is saying and drafted Ryan and Freeman in back to back rounds (I think 8&9, maybe 7&8), thinking I had a great QBBC. Well, Freeman was 1 of the biggest busts at QB last year, and Ryan's first 7 weeks were well below expected. He threw for more than 1 TD only once, and over 300yds only twice during that time. I was able to trade Freeman/Jennings for Newton/Holmes around week 5-6, but needless to say my lackluster QB play early put me way behind to start the season. Despite a nice finish late, I couldnt make up enough ground, which also included me trading Ryan for a RB and WR before the trade dealine.

That said, Im more sold on Ryan producing this year, especially consistency wise. If you dont go QB early and miss out on Rodgers/Brees/Cam/Stafford/Brady, then I think he's the next best and safest bet, and you can probably get him 4 rounds later. Now I dont think he will put up crazy numbers, but when you look at the QBs after that..

Vick - injury concerns, of course...how cohesive will this team be and will it noticeably improve from 2011?

Eli - will finally get his fantasy justice due to winning another SB, and be drafted fairly high..For the last few years he was the value at QB year in, year out, I think Ryan now takes that spot.

Romo - again, always seems to miss a couple games due to injury. Seems like Jerry is putting even more pressure on him/the team to win.

Rivers - VJax is gone, Tolbert is gone, how many games will Gates play, how good is Meachem outside of the Saints system? Lots of question marks, is coming off a down year. I think he has value, but not near as safe as Ryan.

Peyton - probably will go before Ryan in some leagues. Have I mentioned injury concerns yet?

I think that is about it because after that you get into RG3/Luck territory, or guys like Schaub, Roethlisberger, Cutler who usually dont tread that high in fantasy territory and have concerns of their own.

I think Ryan is a very nice value pick this year, but at the same time, if he gets sniped right before you I dont think its a big loss (although this varies depending on round)

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Also, it seems the QB2 pool is fairly deep with Ben, Schaub, and even Freeman or Fitzpatrick not drafted until late. So, you can balance the risk of Vick (Injury) with a Schaub (or other) late and be ok.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Michael Vick 4th Rounder.

Matt Ryan 7th Rounder.

The whole point of "combo's" is to not have to give up high picks to get them. 2 of your top 7 picks being QBs is not a combo....its just wasting 2 high draft picks on QBs.

 

[solorca]

I am not sure who my other guy will be yet, but I plan on Josh Freeman being on a majority of my teams this year. I see a top 10-12 performance from him.

I would love a Ryan/Freeman combo. I also wouldnt mind a Freeman/Palmer combo if I wait a little later.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I am not sure who my other guy will be yet, but I plan on Josh Freeman being on a majority of my teams this year. I see a top 10-12 performance from him.I would love a Ryan/Freeman combo. I also wouldnt mind a Freeman/Palmer combo if I wait a little later.

I thought this last year on Freeman, and was proved wrong (as you may have read above). You certainly have many things in your favor in 2012 - much lower ADP, added VJax and Doug Martin, Carl Nicks to the OL, but after seeing Freeman more last year, his instincts and reading D's looked below average. I think losing Winslow does matter as well.I think he could bounce back, but I dont see him jumping into QB1 territory unless he gets a lot of cushion from his rushing yds/TDs, and thats all best case scenario.

 

[Deamon]

I would have a hard time picking Ryan over Vick in any game.

Matt Ryan scored 2 or more Touchdowns in 9 games last season. That's consistent. Jones is going to more involved without the lockout.If Vick becomes snake bitten, Ryan can go really go off this year.

I don't think Vick's lack of production/healthiness will help Ryan go off and produce.

 

[solorca]

I am not sure who my other guy will be yet, but I plan on Josh Freeman being on a majority of my teams this year. I see a top 10-12 performance from him.I would love a Ryan/Freeman combo. I also wouldnt mind a Freeman/Palmer combo if I wait a little later.

I thought this last year on Freeman, and was proved wrong (as you may have read above). You certainly have many things in your favor in 2012 - much lower ADP, added VJax and Doug Martin, Carl Nicks to the OL, but after seeing Freeman more last year, his instincts and reading D's looked below average. I think losing Winslow does matter as well.I think he could bounce back, but I dont see him jumping into QB1 territory unless he gets a lot of cushion from his rushing yds/TDs, and thats all best case scenario.

I thought Freeman was overdrafted last year, while I think he will be underdrafted this season. I see him as a steal if you can get him in the qb15 range.

 

[Eminence]

I would have a hard time picking Ryan over Vick in any game.

Matt Ryan scored 2 or more Touchdowns in 9 games last season. That's consistent. Jones is going to more involved without the lockout.If Vick becomes snake bitten, Ryan can go really go off this year.

I don't think Vick's lack of production/healthiness will help Ryan go off and produce.

It wasn't meant to be cause and effect. Rather comparing the two thoughts.Vick is injury prone but elite.Ryan is going to have a decent year as well A+ backup.Sorry for the misprint.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I am not sure who my other guy will be yet, but I plan on Josh Freeman being on a majority of my teams this year. I see a top 10-12 performance from him.I would love a Ryan/Freeman combo. I also wouldnt mind a Freeman/Palmer combo if I wait a little later.

I thought this last year on Freeman, and was proved wrong (as you may have read above). You certainly have many things in your favor in 2012 - much lower ADP, added VJax and Doug Martin, Carl Nicks to the OL, but after seeing Freeman more last year, his instincts and reading D's looked below average. I think losing Winslow does matter as well.I think he could bounce back, but I dont see him jumping into QB1 territory unless he gets a lot of cushion from his rushing yds/TDs, and thats all best case scenario.

I thought Freeman was overdrafted last year, while I think he will be underdrafted this season. I see him as a steal if you can get him in the qb15 range.

He will be solid, but Id be shocked if he puts up QB1 numbers...I think TBs O will go one way or another because of the running game.,

 

[Kenny Powers]

I would have a hard time picking Ryan over Vick in any game.

Matt Ryan scored 2 or more Touchdowns in 9 games last season. That's consistent. Jones is going to more involved without the lockout.If Vick becomes snake bitten, Ryan can go really go off this year.

I don't think Vick's lack of production/healthiness will help Ryan go off and produce.

It wasn't meant to be cause and effect. Rather comparing the two thoughts.Vick is injury prone but elite.Ryan is going to have a decent year as well A+ backup.Sorry for the misprint.

Its almost impossible to draft both of them without hurting your RBs or WRs tho..Yeah, you can hit on a Lynch or Jackson but the odds are very slim.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Current ADP for redraft this year at MFL

Currently they are listed there as QB6 and QB10. I would have a tough time picking two QB's that go out of the top 10 QB's but I would imagine they will be a good combo.

At those ADPs, I'll take the Ben/Cutler pairing over Vick/Ryan.

 

[MDSkinner]

Current ADP for redraft this year at MFL

Currently they are listed there as QB6 and QB10. I would have a tough time picking two QB's that go out of the top 10 QB's but I would imagine they will be a good combo.

At those ADPs, I'll take the Ben/Cutler pairing over Vick/Ryan.

I agree. I would rather use a 4th and a 6th-th on RB's/WR's and save a couple of later rounders for guys like that. Makes very good sense to me particularly at these early ADPs.

 

[Eminence]

On second glance, I've done a few mocks and don't prefer this combo as much as I thought I would.

That 4th you give up leaves a sizable hole at WR / RB.

 

[3nOut]

Week 7:

Open Date: Atlanta, Denver, Kansas City, Miami, Philadelphia, San Diego

 

[smackdaddies]

Michael Vick 4th Rounder.

Matt Ryan 7th Rounder.

The whole point of "combo's" is to not have to give up high picks to get them. 2 of your top 7 picks being QBs is not a combo....its just wasting 2 high draft picks on QBs.

what he said

 

[ShaHBucks]

As far as Vick/Ryan goes I'm not using two top 8 rd picks to sit either in any week when healthy. When planning a committee approach strength of schedule is the most important factor, the other factor is missing out on a top 8 QB so drafting Vick/Ryan wouldnt be a brilliant plan going into a draft.

I haven had any time to look at schedules but here's how I would plan a qb committee if I missed the qb run or I planned on waiting for Qb. To use Ryan as a example, i paired him with Freeman As mentioned aboved through 8 weeks:

ATl plays KC-Den-SD-Car-Was-Oak-Bye-Phi

TB plays Car-Nyg-Dal-Was-Bye-KC-No-Min

Based on last year the first 8 starts would go Freeman vs Car- NYG weeks 1-2, then Ryan vs SD-Car-Was-Oak weeks 3-6, followed by Freeman vs No-Min. Not bad.

I would be shocked if I yielded less that 15 points per game from my Qb using this strategy. You have to remain flexible dropping either and play the wire if opportunity knocks. If one or both proves to be a stud you have trade bait or a roster spot. I would take two Qb's in my draft rds 8-12(you likely have starters and solid backups at other positions). Also from experience/experiment don't take guys with no upside as a Qb1.

Sum success I've had with this approach were Ben Ben/Cutler the year Ben was suspended, Stafford/Braford and Eli/McNabb last year. Fail attempts were any combo of Orton/Fitszpatrick/McNabb/Cutler together last year lol but I was the first on Newton/Tebow combo in two of those leagues. I've used the same approach with TE/WR2/RB2 so when the draft misses me I not reaching.