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QB Daniel Jones, NYG (2 Viewers)

Qammy said:
BobbyLayne said:
Snotbubbles said:
BobbyLayne said:
TheDirtyWord said:
Qammy said:
TheWinz said:
Jones has never had a good OL, and that aint changing in 2024. Any success he has is going to be rushing, I mean running for his life.
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I think the Oline will be much better than the 32nd ranking that PFF gave them heading into this season ... closer to what we had in 2022 when we made the playoffs and Jones had a pretty good season.

He's never had good WRs either ... All of the WRs (except Slayton) are now from the Schoen Daboll regime ... so that can't be an excuse anymore
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The Giants OL is one situation I see ripe for a potentially surprising and dramatic improvement, health notwithstanding.

But if you look at this unit, talent wise, it feels there is now enough pedigree to come together:

Andrew Thomas has emerged as one of the best LT's in the NFL
Runyan and Eluemenor were solid to above average signings this off-season while JM Schmitz is now entering Year 2 after being drafted in Rd 2 last year.

Obviously the wild card here is Neal at RT and his first two seasons have been abysmal. This is a make or break year for him, but it wasn't that long ago that Thomas was being ridiculed as being a bust.
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Sam and Steve talked about the OL rankings on this week’s PFF NFL Podcast show (redundant name but that’s what they call it lol.)

One point they made, and I’ve heard others say something similar, is that for about two-thirds of the league you can make a case for “hey this line might be OK. They’ve got this former 1st rounder, they drafted player Xxx, so-and-so is a good player who has had bad luck with injuries, if these guys stay healthy and gell…” Thing is, when you look at one OL you can come away feeling OK about them.

But when you look at it across the board, you realize the teams in the bottom 3 and Top 4 have vast differences. Talent is one critical component, but equally important is year over year retention.

Also depth is a huge factor bc injuries are inevitable. Every year you’re going to have multiple games with more than one starting OL out. That’s normative.

I would also say that as far as positional coaches go, having a great OL Assistant is a massive advantage.
  • they have a good (when healthy) LT in Andrew Thomas, pretty much the lone bright spot
  • 2022 7th overall pick RT Evan Neal has been a massive disappointment (41.8 and 39.8 PFF grade), and C John Michael Schmitz looked underwhelming as a rookie (41.4)
  • adding guard Jon Runyan (56.5 PFF grade in 2023) and guard/tackle Jermaine Eluemunor in free agency this offseason are not difference making moves; guard Mark Glowinski, another FA signing, was mediocre in his two Giants seasons.
  • 32nd in pass blocking, 30th in run blocking last year, and they did very little to improve their personnel
  • depth is a major concern
  • new OL Assistant Coach Carmen Bricillo spent the previous 2 years with the Raiders after 2 years with the Pats; mixed bag, at best
Not great, Bob.
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Glowinski was mediocre and his PFF grade was better than Runyan. I don't know what goes into a PFF grade but by that source, Glowinski was better.
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60 is considered an adequate starter

IIRC Glowinski was ~ 68

EDIT

64.8 Overall
53.4 PBLK
69.6 RBLK
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I never understood what was going on with Glowinski ... He was clearly better than any of the Guards they had but for some reason they seemed to hate him.
However, I beleive he is still unsigned and the giants hand competion for Runyan ... so really weird
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Probably age and availability.
 
Ilov80s said:
Kind of a sneaky good value imo. He’s had 2 QB1 level seasons including 2022. In theory he has better options than he’s been accustomed to.
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I like him too, but currently a wire guy in my leagues. But the player they added that I'm targeting is RB Tyrone Tracy jr. A converted WR who's getting some hype. For those in ppr leagues that also score production from the return game, this kid is interesting.
 
Roarke released. Such a short window for him.


X has an awful lot of videos of under thrown and overthrown passes to (I think Hyatt and) Nabers and they don't give me confidence in Jones.
I could care less about a a few like that but when you think of a QBs timing and rapport he should have built since minicamp, oof it's a little worrisome.

Maybe they all mesh up later and then who cares but today I'm a little hmmm
 
Connor Hughes
A few quick takeaways from #Giants camp today ...

- It was an up-and-down day for quarterback Daniel Jones. It started poorly – very poorly. Jones had Malik Nabers open behind the defense twice for would-be touchdowns. He underthrew him both times. Give Nabers credit: He tried to come back to the ball both times. He made a play at it, too, but wasn’t able to bring it in. He also had Jalin Hyatt open on a crossing route, but was late to his read and underthrew it. Dane Belton nearly picked it off. Jones did come back with two long ones – one to Nabers and another to Hyatt. The one to Nabers was a thing of beauty. Over-the-shoulder, diving, toe-tapping near the sideline. Hyatt’s was a pretty straightforward go route. Jones finished the day 8-of-14.

- The underthrows are becoming a theme for Jones this summer. That’s surprising because it hasn’t been an issue before. You wonder if this might be something tied to his ACL or neck.

- Among the reasons the underthrows are so noticeable is the Giants' concerted effort to push the ball downfield. They very much want to be more explosive this season and have the means to do it. Nabers (more on him below) is a dynamic playmaker, but Darius Slayton and Hyatt excel as field stretchers, too.

- Nabers might be the Giants most explosive player in years. I understand he’s a rookie. Brian Daboll consistently references how far is still has to go. Still, it’s reached a point in camp where whenever Nabers is on the field … you have to watch him. His releases off the line, agility and speed make him borderline uncoverable. Not only is he consistently open, but the step he has on a defender evolves to two, three and four as he separates like few I’ve covered. Nabers should have finished Sunday with two touchdowns and that diving sideline catch if Jones didn’t miss him on the two former.

Complete practice report here: sny.tv/articles/giant…
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Ian Hartitz
Daniel Jones threw 4 passes 20+ yards downfield in one half of preseason football on Saturday (PFF).

He only did that twice in 22 regular season starts in 2022-23. Goes along with drumbeat out of Giants camp that they want to really start stretching the defense more this season.
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Daniel Jones completed 22-of-42 passes for 186 yards and two interceptions in the Giants’ 28-6, Week 1 loss to the Vikings.

Jones “added” six rushes for 15 yards. Jones was hurt by drops and penalties, but it was a thoroughly non-competitive start from a lame-duck starter who is already on Drew Lock watch. Jones’ first interception was a pick-six on a screen where Andrew Van Ginkel was in the end zone before anyone in the stadium even knew what happened. INT No. 2 came with Harrison Smith jumping a route in the end zone. The game was already long decided before either miscue because of Jones and the Giants’ complete failure to move the ball. Jones has a bottom-three supporting cast, but it’s beyond clear he is not going to do anything to elevate it. The only good news is the Commanders should be a somewhat easier matchup for Week 2.
- Rotoworld
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He's to muscular.
His pumped up body gets in his way.
Too many muscles in the wrong spot for the position he plays.
He's built like a tight end
Hey...maybe...
Bring Drew in
Put D.J. at an H-back position.
Sorta like Taysom Hill light.
Offense couldn't look any worse..right?
I'm calling Coach right now.
 
I am so over this team and especially him. This organization is over their head. I'm convinced none of them know how to run a football team.
 
Well Giants fans you have at least 2 games this year you can get excited about. Daniel Jones has played like an all-pro against Washington in his career. So enjoy what I'm sure will be a great day next weekend before you get more suckage against non Washington teams. :bag:
 
Doesn’t look remotely comfortable or natural playing the QB position, even more awkward at the podium answering questions. I am sure he knows the clock is ticking on his career as a starter, lucky to have gotten his bag already. Now find someone to get Nabers the ball Giants!
 
Rubi said:
He's to muscular.
His pumped up body gets in his way.
Too many muscles in the wrong spot for the position he plays.
He's built like a tight end
Hey...maybe...
Bring Drew in
Put D.J. at an H-back position.
Sorta like Taysom Hill light.
Offense couldn't look any worse..right?
I'm calling Coach right now.
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Wasnt good when he was skinny either though
 
Jordan Raanan
Daniel Jones had a QBR of 72.7 on Sunday vs. the Browns. Solid number. That was eighth among all quarterbacks so far for Week 3, right behind Sam Darnold (4 TD passes).

Jones has bounced back the past 2 weeks after a rough opener.

#Giants #NFL
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