QB Dynasty Rankings (1 Viewer)

[travdogg]

1. Tom Brady, more reliable than Jeff Ross at a roast, Unless Moss leaves you have to have Brady 1st.

2. Peyton Manning, too safe, too consistent, my only concern is the DSRL may distract him during the season.

3. Tony Romo, big dropoff to Romo as this is where tier two begins. Too many targets for him, too drop him lower, I think Glenn will be back if only as a 3rd WR.

4. Carson Palmer, oustide of his 400-yard 6-TD game, he was maybe the biggest disappointment in FF, at least among players who stayed healthy, too talented to put lower though.

5. Ben Roethlisberger, was finally unleashed this year and is still improving though, lack of yardage is troubling.

6. Drew Brees, I want to put him lower but can't the Saints just seem overrated to me(both NFL and Fantasy-wise)

7. Eli Manning, really high on the Giants, I don't think this playoff run was a fluke at all and they could be atop the NFC for quite a bit, Eli's numbers shouldn't be far behind Ben's in that case.

8. Jay Cutler, really like his upside, still on a run-first team and still makes many mistakes.

9. Vince Young, most guys would look terrible if Roydell Williams was their best WR, too much talent to overlook, good buy-low if owners are frustrated.

10. Matt Hasselbeck, solid, steady, bald, all of these words describe Hasselbeck.

11. Matt Leinart, another good buy-low, too much surrounding talent to not produce(Warner was a top-10 QB and how much better can he be than Leinart?)

12. Derek Anderson, good young QB with upside, might lose his job to Quinn in the near future, this ranking is the definition of hedging my bets.

13. Philip Rivers, slowly becoming the John McEnroe of the NFL, seriously Phil just shut up , good QB, really impressed in the playoffs without LT or a functional Gates or a functional knee for that matter, however you'll be annoyed watching him if he's on your team.

14. Marc Bulger, great QB2 to have around, too injury-prone and inconsistent to count on to start though.

15. Donovan McNabb, just not a fan, maybe a change of scenery would help, likely won't get it.

16. Brett Favre, who knows how much longer he'll play, still a good QB now though, good short-term fix who you could acquire cheap, but once you get him he's yours forever.

17. JaMarcus Russell, talented enough to go 1st overall(that's all I really know about him)

18. Matt Schaub, finally got his chance to prove...that he's made of glass, he missed games with three separate injuries, at least he was solid when he played and he is way better than Carr.

19. Jason Campbell, I like Campbell but he's learning his 6th offense in 8 years, plus its not like Washington has elite WR's.

20. Jon Kitna, good WR, new OC might actually leave guys in to block which could help kind of a poor man's Favre numbers wise.

21. David Garrard, screams of a fluke year, no good WR's, run-first team avoided turnovers at a fluky rate I wouldn't even want him as a QB2.

22. Brady Quinn, could be the starter in Cleveland sooner than later, nothing to lose if you want to stash him as a QB3.

23. Daunte Culpepper, played really well in Oakland(at least compared to everyone else who played for them) I think he'll get one last shot somewhere.

24. Rex Grossman, figure the Bears re-sign him, he was playing pretty well again right before he got hurt.

25. Byron Leftwich, I get the feeling he'll be Atlanta's guy(the new HC was said to have liked him in Jacksonville) only 28 which is still relatively young for a QB.

 

[travdogg]

Bump, any thoughts?

 

[dmac37]

1. Tom Brady, more reliable than Jeff Ross at a roast, Unless Moss leaves you have to have Brady 1st.

2. Peyton Manning, too safe, too consistent, my only concern is the DSRL may distract him during the season.

I like Manning 1 and Brady 2.

3. Tony Romo, big dropoff to Romo as this is where tier two begins. Too many targets for him, too drop him lower, I think Glenn will be back if only as a 3rd WR.

I like Palmer, Ben, and Brees more than Romo.

4. Carson Palmer, oustide of his 400-yard 6-TD game, he was maybe the biggest disappointment in FF, at least among players who stayed healthy, too talented to put lower though.

5. Ben Roethlisberger, was finally unleashed this year and is still improving though, lack of yardage is troubling.

6. Drew Brees, I want to put him lower but can't the Saints just seem overrated to me(both NFL and Fantasy-wise)

7. Eli Manning, really high on the Giants, I don't think this playoff run was a fluke at all and they could be atop the NFC for quite a bit, Eli's numbers shouldn't be far behind Ben's in that case.

Improved NFL stock, not sure about FF stock

8. Jay Cutler, really like his upside, still on a run-first team and still makes many mistakes.

I like Cutler to move up into top tier in the next few years.

9. Vince Young, most guys would look terrible if Roydell Williams was their best WR, too much talent to overlook, good buy-low if owners are frustrated.

Like Eli, I can see him becoming a better NFL QB than a FF QB.

10. Matt Hasselbeck, solid, steady, bald, all of these words describe Hasselbeck.

11. Matt Leinart, another good buy-low, too much surrounding talent to not produce(Warner was a top-10 QB and how much better can he be than Leinart?)

I hope your right with this ranking, must show something in 2008 or may never produce as expected.

12. Derek Anderson, good young QB with upside, might lose his job to Quinn in the near future, this ranking is the definition of hedging my bets.

Not sure what to think, seemed to tail off last year as the season wore on.

13. Philip Rivers, slowly becoming the John McEnroe of the NFL, seriously Phil just shut up , good QB, really impressed in the playoffs without LT or a functional Gates or a functional knee for that matter, however you'll be annoyed watching him if he's on your team.

14. Marc Bulger, great QB2 to have around, too injury-prone and inconsistent to count on to start though.

15. Donovan McNabb, just not a fan, maybe a change of scenery would help, likely won't get it.

I would put him higher, could still be a top 3 QB for a few more years.

16. Brett Favre, who knows how much longer he'll play, still a good QB now though, good short-term fix who you could acquire cheap, but once you get him he's yours forever.

Too high for me, if he comes back I can see him starting a quick fade. One spot below McNabb does not seem right.

17. JaMarcus Russell, talented enough to go 1st overall(that's all I really know about him)

For some reason never felt he would live up to his draft position.

18. Matt Schaub, finally got his chance to prove...that he's made of glass, he missed games with three separate injuries, at least he was solid when he played and he is way better than Carr.

I think there is huge potential for Shaub and the Houston offense to come up big in the next few years, I like him more about 12th for now and a chance to move up from there.

19. Jason Campbell, I like Campbell but he's learning his 6th offense in 8 years, plus its not like Washington has elite WR's.

20. Jon Kitna, good WR, new OC might actually leave guys in to block which could help kind of a poor man's Favre numbers wise.

21. David Garrard, screams of a fluke year, no good WR's, run-first team avoided turnovers at a fluky rate I wouldn't even want him as a QB2.

Took me all year but I think he can produce, could develop a nice combo with Walker.

22. Brady Quinn, could be the starter in Cleveland sooner than later, nothing to lose if you want to stash him as a QB3.

23. Daunte Culpepper, played really well in Oakland(at least compared to everyone else who played for them) I think he'll get one last shot somewhere.

24. Rex Grossman, figure the Bears re-sign him, he was playing pretty well again right before he got hurt.

25. Byron Leftwich, I get the feeling he'll be Atlanta's guy(the new HC was said to have liked him in Jacksonville) only 28 which is still relatively young for a QB.

Two sleepers I like:Delhomme - short term

A. Rodgers - long term

 

[travdogg]

1. Tom Brady, more reliable than Jeff Ross at a roast, Unless Moss leaves you have to have Brady 1st.

2. Peyton Manning, too safe, too consistent, my only concern is the DSRL may distract him during the season.

I like Manning 1 and Brady 2.

3. Tony Romo, big dropoff to Romo as this is where tier two begins. Too many targets for him, too drop him lower, I think Glenn will be back if only as a 3rd WR.

I like Palmer, Ben, and Brees more than Romo.

4. Carson Palmer, oustide of his 400-yard 6-TD game, he was maybe the biggest disappointment in FF, at least among players who stayed healthy, too talented to put lower though.

5. Ben Roethlisberger, was finally unleashed this year and is still improving though, lack of yardage is troubling.

6. Drew Brees, I want to put him lower but can't the Saints just seem overrated to me(both NFL and Fantasy-wise)

7. Eli Manning, really high on the Giants, I don't think this playoff run was a fluke at all and they could be atop the NFC for quite a bit, Eli's numbers shouldn't be far behind Ben's in that case.

Improved NFL stock, not sure about FF stock

8. Jay Cutler, really like his upside, still on a run-first team and still makes many mistakes.

I like Cutler to move up into top tier in the next few years.

9. Vince Young, most guys would look terrible if Roydell Williams was their best WR, too much talent to overlook, good buy-low if owners are frustrated.

Like Eli, I can see him becoming a better NFL QB than a FF QB.

10. Matt Hasselbeck, solid, steady, bald, all of these words describe Hasselbeck.

11. Matt Leinart, another good buy-low, too much surrounding talent to not produce(Warner was a top-10 QB and how much better can he be than Leinart?)

I hope your right with this ranking, must show something in 2008 or may never produce as expected.

12. Derek Anderson, good young QB with upside, might lose his job to Quinn in the near future, this ranking is the definition of hedging my bets.

Not sure what to think, seemed to tail off last year as the season wore on.

13. Philip Rivers, slowly becoming the John McEnroe of the NFL, seriously Phil just shut up , good QB, really impressed in the playoffs without LT or a functional Gates or a functional knee for that matter, however you'll be annoyed watching him if he's on your team.

14. Marc Bulger, great QB2 to have around, too injury-prone and inconsistent to count on to start though.

15. Donovan McNabb, just not a fan, maybe a change of scenery would help, likely won't get it.

I would put him higher, could still be a top 3 QB for a few more years.

16. Brett Favre, who knows how much longer he'll play, still a good QB now though, good short-term fix who you could acquire cheap, but once you get him he's yours forever.

Too high for me, if he comes back I can see him starting a quick fade. One spot below McNabb does not seem right.

17. JaMarcus Russell, talented enough to go 1st overall(that's all I really know about him)

For some reason never felt he would live up to his draft position.

18. Matt Schaub, finally got his chance to prove...that he's made of glass, he missed games with three separate injuries, at least he was solid when he played and he is way better than Carr.

I think there is huge potential for Shaub and the Houston offense to come up big in the next few years, I like him more about 12th for now and a chance to move up from there.

19. Jason Campbell, I like Campbell but he's learning his 6th offense in 8 years, plus its not like Washington has elite WR's.

20. Jon Kitna, good WR, new OC might actually leave guys in to block which could help kind of a poor man's Favre numbers wise.

21. David Garrard, screams of a fluke year, no good WR's, run-first team avoided turnovers at a fluky rate I wouldn't even want him as a QB2.

Took me all year but I think he can produce, could develop a nice combo with Walker.

22. Brady Quinn, could be the starter in Cleveland sooner than later, nothing to lose if you want to stash him as a QB3.

23. Daunte Culpepper, played really well in Oakland(at least compared to everyone else who played for them) I think he'll get one last shot somewhere.

24. Rex Grossman, figure the Bears re-sign him, he was playing pretty well again right before he got hurt.

25. Byron Leftwich, I get the feeling he'll be Atlanta's guy(the new HC was said to have liked him in Jacksonville) only 28 which is still relatively young for a QB.

Two sleepers I like:Delhomme - short term

A. Rodgers - long term

Delhomme was right on the bubble and if he were about 2 years younger he'd have made it.I wanted to rank Rodgers but I wouldn't be shocked if Favre played another 2-3 years(judging by Favre's ranking I'm hedging)

 

[travdogg]

Edited for 2-19

1. Tom Brady, he is coming off the best season in QB history after all.

2. Peyton Manning, a top-5 lock going on about 8 years.

3. Tony Romo, good supporting cast makes up for poor off-field decisions

4. Carson Palmer, down year, bounces back if Ocho stays.

5. Ben Roethlisberger, progressing nicely, underrated supporting cast

6. Drew Brees, has been a top-10 QB four straight years now.

7. Derek Anderson, Quinn will be an expensive backup for years to come.

8. Brett Favre, I fully believe he's going to play another 3 years or so. Likely at least 1 more top-5 year in him.

9. Matt Schaub, durability is really his only weakness.

10. Donovan McNabb, needs a WR1 to get back to form.

11. Marc Bulger, can't rank him any lower than this. Finished top-5 in 06'.

12. David Garrard, can't imagine they don't try and get a real WR for him.

13. Matt Hasselbeck, still solid, still bald

14. Jake Delhomme, was top-5 when he got hurt, getting another target could do wonders.

15. Matt Leinart , seems more interested in being a celebrity than a good QB.

16. Eli Manning, good playoffs, now lets see it in the regular season.

17. Jay Cutler, talented but very mistake prone, not on a passing team.

18. Jon Kitna, losing Martz will mean fewer passes, time to throw, fair trade

19. Trent Edwards, may turn out to the 2007 SOD.

20. Vince Young, Roydell Williams is his WR1 how much higher can he be?

21. Philip Rivers, just a gut feel that he isn't going to get any better than he is now.

22. Brodie Croyle, has great talent around him, just needs blocking and experience.

23. Kurt Warner, is a top 5-ish QB whenever he starts for Arizona.

24. Alex Smith, I'll give him one more shot(only because of Martz)

25. JaMarcus Russell, he had to go 1st ovrall for a reason right?

 

[kethnaab]

1. Tom Brady, more reliable than Jeff Ross at a roast, Unless Moss leaves you have to have Brady 1st.

2. Peyton Manning, too safe, too consistent, my only concern is the DSRL may distract him during the season.

I gotta go with Manning. No one ever repeats "monster" years, and I think Maroney gets more of a chance this year than in the past. Teams in the last half of the year had started to figure out how to "tame" that beast of a team. I think Brady battles for Manning for the #1 slot, but manning has the "Dome" advantage during the FF playoffs, so I go with him

3. Tony Romo, big dropoff to Romo as this is where tier two begins. Too many targets for him, too drop him lower, I think Glenn will be back if only as a 3rd WR.

I'm pretty sure Glenn is done, but Witten + TO is more than enough. Romo just needs to keep his head on straight, he has a ton of talent around him and a pass-happy offense. He'll put up big numbers again, although his 2nd-half meltdowns are troubling. Take TO out of the mix, and Romo becomes a totally different QB

4. Carson Palmer, oustide of his 400-yard 6-TD game, he was maybe the biggest disappointment in FF, at least among players who stayed healthy, too talented to put lower though.

5. Ben Roethlisberger, was finally unleashed this year and is still improving though, lack of yardage is troubling.

PGH has always been a run-first team. I am still cautious as I wonder if 2007's TD # wasn't just a fluke. However, the new OC really likes Ben in the red zone, and Ben has produced.

Palmer was immensely frustrating. I owned him, and he helped me post a sick week 2 last year, but he fell apart in the last half. I ended up trading him and playing Kurt Warner and Ben

6. Drew Brees, I want to put him lower but can't the Saints just seem overrated to me(both NFL and Fantasy-wise)



The Saints are a pass-happy offense and Drew Brees is damn good. 4000+ yards and TDs galore the last 2 seasons, what's not to like? People are hung up on his poor 2007 start and seem to forget that he threw 27 TDs in the last 12 games of the season, and broke 300+ yards 5 times and 400+ yards once. Since he's been with NO, he's had 8x games @350+ yards and puts up a monster game multiple times each year. I think he is a sleeper heading into 2008, judging from many people's opinion.

7. Eli Manning, really high on the Giants, I don't think this playoff run was a fluke at all and they could be atop the NFC for quite a bit, Eli's numbers shouldn't be far behind Ben's in that case.

8. Jay Cutler, really like his upside, still on a run-first team and still makes many mistakes.

9. Vince Young, most guys would look terrible if Roydell Williams was their best WR, too much talent to overlook, good buy-low if owners are frustrated.

10. Matt Hasselbeck, solid, steady, bald, all of these words describe Hasselbeck.



Vince Young is not an NFL-calibre QB, and he doesn't have NFL-calibre WR's. Until at least one of those 2 factors gets fixed, he is Kordell Stewart, part 2. Eli is not a fantasy QB. I'm happy the Giants won, and I think Eli may have 'turned the corner', but that is still a run-first offense by a longshot. Hasselbeck is another sleeper. He is very steady, I like him next season quite a bit. Cutler is just waiting to break out. I see him and Marshall and Scheffler making some beautiful music together starting next season.

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[AllVolUT]

Glad to see Garrard moved up significantly in the rankings. Another year under Koetter with a full offseason to prepare, along with a (hopefully) heathly Mike Walker adds up to continual success. The run-first scheme helps free up the passing game - the best TD/INT ratio (18:3) despite missing 4 games and 3rd best QB rating in the league justifies your re-positioning.

FWIW, don't expect a big splash in the WR department.

 

[chook]

Cutler @17 = :MASSIVELY BIG RED X:

 

[travdogg]

Glad to see Garrard moved up significantly in the rankings. Another year under Koetter with a full offseason to prepare, along with a (hopefully) heathly Mike Walker adds up to continual success. The run-first scheme helps free up the passing game - the best TD/INT ratio (18:3) despite missing 4 games and 3rd best QB rating in the league justifies your re-positioning. FWIW, don't expect a big splash in the WR department.

Maybe not a big splash but they can't seriously go in with Williams, Jones, Northcutt, walker as their top-4 WR's can they? If they do, they may as well concede the division to Indy now.

 

[AllVolUT]

Glad to see Garrard moved up significantly in the rankings. Another year under Koetter with a full offseason to prepare, along with a (hopefully) heathly Mike Walker adds up to continual success. The run-first scheme helps free up the passing game - the best TD/INT ratio (18:3) despite missing 4 games and 3rd best QB rating in the league justifies your re-positioning. FWIW, don't expect a big splash in the WR department.

Maybe not a big splash but they can't seriously go in with Williams, Jones, Northcutt, walker as their top-4 WR's can they? If they do, they may as well concede the division to Indy now.

I would be surprised if someone else appeared on the list of WRs, excluding Broussard and the Wilford if he re-signs. The Jags tied Dallas for the 3rd most efficient passing offense in the league - and that was with Quinn Gray's throwing an 8:5 td/int ratio in the games he started. They ranked 6th in points and 7th in total yards per game. Their bigger needs are a corner and a solid pass rusher. I don't want to hijack the thread or turn this into an excuse post, but conceding the division to the aging Colts is ridiculous. They lost by 3 at the RCA dome this year; their first lost on MNF was an embarrassment, albeit the game Garrard got injured.

 

[travdogg]

Glad to see Garrard moved up significantly in the rankings. Another year under Koetter with a full offseason to prepare, along with a (hopefully) heathly Mike Walker adds up to continual success. The run-first scheme helps free up the passing game - the best TD/INT ratio (18:3) despite missing 4 games and 3rd best QB rating in the league justifies your re-positioning. FWIW, don't expect a big splash in the WR department.

Maybe not a big splash but they can't seriously go in with Williams, Jones, Northcutt, walker as their top-4 WR's can they? If they do, they may as well concede the division to Indy now.

I would be surprised if someone else appeared on the list of WRs, excluding Broussard and the Wilford if he re-signs. The Jags tied Dallas for the 3rd most efficient passing offense in the league - and that was with Quinn Gray's throwing an 8:5 td/int ratio in the games he started. They ranked 6th in points and 7th in total yards per game. Their bigger needs are a corner and a solid pass rusher. I don't want to hijack the thread or turn this into an excuse post, but conceding the division to the aging Colts is ridiculous. They lost by 3 at the RCA dome this year; their first lost on MNF was an embarrassment, albeit the game Garrard got injured.

Conceding may have been a bit too strong but, the Jags need an impact WR more than a CB(Mathis and Williams(really underrated) are solid). I'll give you a pass-rusher as the biggest need. Until the Jags get an impact WR, they will have problems with Indy. Because they are screwed once they get behind due to their only big-play threats being on the ground. They won't be a real contender until that gets addressed. If they don't I fear Garrard may have to force the ball more, which leads to turnovers and that makes him less efficient, and as such, a lesser fantasy QB.Edit to add: Do you think Wilfork will be back?

 

[trollmonger]

I like the elite QBs (Brady, Manning) and the near elite (Romo, Palmer, Brees, R-Berger) but after that, I just look for consistency from my QBs.

Hasselbeck and Garrard are the guys I like if I can't get a top QB. I admit that guys like Eli, Cutler, McNabb, Shaub could join the near elite but if one of these is my starter, I feel the need for a strong backup whereas with Hass and Garrard, I'm prepared to forego that backup and beef up on other parts of my team.

 

[travdogg]

Hasselbeck and Garrard are the guys I like if I can't get a top QB. I admit that guys like Eli, Cutler, McNabb, Shaub could join the near elite but if one of these is my starter, I feel the need for a strong backup whereas with Hass and Garrard, I'm prepared to forego that backup and beef up on other parts of my team.

I can agree with that. Kind of a safety/upside type choice and you like safety.

 

[KoolKat]

I have to say, I think your QB ratings are much better than your Wr rankings. The only flaw, in my opinion, is that Schaub is too low. Other than that I'd say everyone is at or within a spot or so of where they should be.

Woops, I did not look at the updated rankings. I have to say I think your original rankings are 10X better than your updated ones.

 

[AllVolUT]

Glad to see Garrard moved up significantly in the rankings. Another year under Koetter with a full offseason to prepare, along with a (hopefully) heathly Mike Walker adds up to continual success. The run-first scheme helps free up the passing game - the best TD/INT ratio (18:3) despite missing 4 games and 3rd best QB rating in the league justifies your re-positioning. FWIW, don't expect a big splash in the WR department.

Maybe not a big splash but they can't seriously go in with Williams, Jones, Northcutt, walker as their top-4 WR's can they? If they do, they may as well concede the division to Indy now.

I would be surprised if someone else appeared on the list of WRs, excluding Broussard and the Wilford if he re-signs. The Jags tied Dallas for the 3rd most efficient passing offense in the league - and that was with Quinn Gray's throwing an 8:5 td/int ratio in the games he started. They ranked 6th in points and 7th in total yards per game. Their bigger needs are a corner and a solid pass rusher. I don't want to hijack the thread or turn this into an excuse post, but conceding the division to the aging Colts is ridiculous. They lost by 3 at the RCA dome this year; their first lost on MNF was an embarrassment, albeit the game Garrard got injured.

Conceding may have been a bit too strong but, the Jags need an impact WR more than a CB(Mathis and Williams(really underrated) are solid). I'll give you a pass-rusher as the biggest need. Until the Jags get an impact WR, they will have problems with Indy. Because they are screwed once they get behind due to their only big-play threats being on the ground. They won't be a real contender until that gets addressed. If they don't I fear Garrard may have to force the ball more, which leads to turnovers and that makes him less efficient, and as such, a lesser fantasy QB.Edit to add: Do you think Wilfork will be back?

I understand the come-from-behind argument, and I do agree. There is talk that Brian Williams will move to safety and Reggie Nelson will move to CB. FWIW, I personally don't think they will bring back Wilford. With Broussard and Walker back, I would like to see money spent elsewhere (maybe LB/DT position w/ Mike P and Stroud's aging and injury concerns).