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QB Geno Smith, LV (2 Viewers)
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Geno's a bit of a tough call for me. He's been pretty awful at times but he's played pretty well in spots, including the end of last year. And he's had probably the worst offensive weapons in the league. So i don't know, I suppose i wouldn't blame the Jets for giving up on him, but I'd probably give him one more shot with Fitz as insurance - which seems like what they're doing.
VarsityBlues123
Footballguy
Former Patriots bashing a Jets? This must be a first. Does anyone personally care what Harrison thinks?
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
well, I guess if he got on his radio show and said absolutely nothing they might not have him back
I'm pretty sure you feel free to post your opinions all over this board, and that's without even getting a paycheck for it
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Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
You're saying those guys are a bad #2, #3, and TE?
The Jets have the same offense from last year but replaced David Nelson and Greg Salas with Brandon Marshall. Plus Amaro is no longer a rookie.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
i think the point is Decker is a #2, not a #1, kerley is a #3, not a #2. Those guys are decent for 2 and 3 receivers but as 1 and 2 receivers were probably the worst in the league.
cstu
Footballguy
The Claymaker
Footballguy
I think the title of this thread is very disrespectful to Blaine Gabbert.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'm not a Geno fan at all really, and I know you were trying to make a joke, but it's far more disrespectful to Smith. Gabbert folds up like a lawn chair under the slightest bit of pressure. Smith stands in strong or uses his mobility to escape the pressure - of course he also makes some terrible throws at times under pressure (he also makes them with no pressure as well).The Claymaker said:
I was against the drafting of Geno from the start, but the impatience with young quarter-backs have reached new heights to the point that we demand instant gratification from a position where there used to be a learning curve built into the developent. Smith has looked very good at times, and clearly has the skill set to succeed. He may lack the mental aspects and dedication though, but he is still young.
If he does get a chance this season and fails (with two years of experience and surrounded by weapons) than it will be time to close the book on him perhaps. Right now he still deserves some benefit of the doubt.
cstu
Footballguy
Here are the first two years from Tannehill and Geno. The big difference is the TD/INT rates but Tannehill had a better team around him. No excuses for Geno this year.
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From To Draft Tm Lg G GS Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Sk Y/A Yds AY/A ANY/A Y/G W L TRyan Tannehill 2012 2013 1-8 MIA NFL 32 32 637 1072 59.42 7207 36 30 79.1 93 6.72 633 6.14 5.10 225.2 15 17 0Geno Smith 2013 2014 2-39 NYJ NFL 30 29 466 810 57.53 5571 25 34 71.5 71 6.88 490 5.61 4.60 185.7 11 18 0
Reaper
Footballguy
Funniest thing is.. Many examples but, 1 stands out of a Huge Season ticket Jets fan who participates in a jets radio show - mostly good, interesting stuff.....
He said last week that he wants Mariota!!!!!.... He's willing to trade up for Mariota (which we all know means the #6 pick plus the rest of this draft plus some of next year's draft)......BUT, he thinks Mariota is a project who should totally sit 1-2 years....
LOL... so, you blow a good part of your next 2 drafts for a guy who doesn't play till 2017????
Then you also think Mariota needs 2 years but, on the other hand you have a total grasp on what Geno is after NOT getting that 2 year learning curve and playing with the crap he had to deal with?????
Man, ppl are Whacky on QB analysis.
Reaper
Footballguy
Not really...... Harvin came in week 8 when the ship was half sunk - Harvin, also while being a great overall weapon, is not such a great Route Runner who helps his QB and fights for balls... 1st week he played was actually Geno's worst game and 1 of those Buffalo INTs came on a 1-1 play where Harvin fell - I say Marshall gets that ball.Kool-Aid Larry said:
Decker had a bad Hamstring much of the year... Kerely was out at times too...
So, No Geno did not play with that core. Much of the year was with the same garbage off the street from the prior year.
Geno has never had consistent Talent to work and develop with which young QB's need - Hasn't been on the same page at all with his weapons....
Whoever the Jets QB is this year is going to be in a MUCH better situation..... Probably will get another WR in the draft too, maybe Cooper!!!!
Reaper
Footballguy
Yeah point is, no top QB pick is going to sit for 2 years on 1 hand, and on the other Geno (not a top pick) should have, like most ppl said. I just found it ironic that someone willing to go to bat so much for Mariota recognizes a QB needs time to be groomed but, doesn't care what that might mean to what we have seen from Geno so far.
Hey if it came to that, I'll bring my popcorn......While he'll never get to sit a full year, I'll be comforted knowing that his Offense and OC are both Light years away from what Geno had to deal with - Heck even the Defense is much better. And Geno went 8-8.
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The Claymaker
Footballguy
You are right, I was only making a joke or attempting I guess is more accurate. Gabbert is a candy a$$ when it comes to pressure, I recall the first time I saw him play in the NFL, I couldn't believe the way he dropped down when pressure got near him. To be perfectly honest I thought he may not stick for more than a year or two at best as you can't have your QB flopping any time anyone gets pressure near him. But Smith is pretty bad, some of the throws he's made over the past couple years has made me question why Tebow is not in the NFL any longer. I think part of Smiths problem is, he is not a smart young man, he looks like he's got zero clue of what's going on around him. He does have a good arm and he's obviously very mobile, maybe it's just taking longer to click for him, but people can't blame the talent around him any longer, year three he's got no excuses if he doesn't show some dramatic improvements this season.
cstu
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I wonder how long it will take for him to learn to run anything remotely resembling an NFL offense.
cstu
Footballguy
Jeremiah: Jets' Geno Smith 'way further along' than Bryce Petty
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000490353/article/jeremiah-jets-pick-bryce-petty-needs-to-sit-as-rookie
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000490353/article/jeremiah-jets-pick-bryce-petty-needs-to-sit-as-rookie
Raider Nation
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cstu
Footballguy
I watched a few of his games on Game Rewind and here were my notes:
Raiders - Salas dropped a 27 yard TD
- Woodson made a great play for an INT
- Fumble on a run near the goal line
Packers - hit while throwing INT
Bears - Bad INT on screen play, result pick 6
- Down 11 in 3rd quarter and forced a pass in the endzone for INT
Lions - All around terrible game for the Jets
- hit while throwing INT
Chargers - meaningless INT at end of half
Broncos - No INT's until the end of the game
15). Pick 6 but meaningless.
Patriots - Geno's best game so far and on the road against the SB champs, no INT's
- Threw TD with 2:30 left in 4th while down 8, missed on conversion throw
- Drove team to Pats 40, game winning FG was missed.
Out of the 7 INT's he threw in these games there were only 3 that I considered all his fault - the Raiders INT (Woodson read him), the Bears pick 6, and the Bears end zone INT (they were down 11 but it was a dumb play).
Things I liked were his short accuracy (early in the season and then started getting jumpy) and willingness to deliver ball in the pocket under pressure.
Couple other notes - he was under pressure most of the time in these games and had to throw a lot of balls away. Decker is not a #1 receiver and he didn't have much else to work with.
Will try to get through the rest of the season when I get time.
Raiders - Salas dropped a 27 yard TD
- Woodson made a great play for an INT
- Fumble on a run near the goal line
Packers - hit while throwing INT
Bears - Bad INT on screen play, result pick 6
- Down 11 in 3rd quarter and forced a pass in the endzone for INT
Lions - All around terrible game for the Jets
- hit while throwing INT
Chargers - meaningless INT at end of half
Broncos - No INT's until the end of the game
15). Pick 6 but meaningless.Patriots - Geno's best game so far and on the road against the SB champs, no INT's
- Threw TD with 2:30 left in 4th while down 8, missed on conversion throw
- Drove team to Pats 40, game winning FG was missed.
Out of the 7 INT's he threw in these games there were only 3 that I considered all his fault - the Raiders INT (Woodson read him), the Bears pick 6, and the Bears end zone INT (they were down 11 but it was a dumb play).
Things I liked were his short accuracy (early in the season and then started getting jumpy) and willingness to deliver ball in the pocket under pressure.
Couple other notes - he was under pressure most of the time in these games and had to throw a lot of balls away. Decker is not a #1 receiver and he didn't have much else to work with.
Will try to get through the rest of the season when I get time.
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Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Let's see what he does with some more weapons and a competent offensive coordinator. He may just surprise some people.
Reaper
Footballguy
Great stuff.....I watched a few of his games on Game Rewind and here were my notes:
Raiders - Salas dropped a 27 yard TD
- Woodson made a great play for an INT
- Fumble on a run near the goal line
Packers - hit while throwing INT
Bears - Bad INT on screen play, result pick 6
- Down 11 in 3rd quarter and forced a pass in the endzone for INT
Lions - All around terrible game for the Jets
- hit while throwing INT
Chargers - meaningless INT at end of half
Broncos - No INT's until the end of the game
Patriots - Geno's best game so far and on the road against the SB champs, no INT's
- Threw TD with 2:30 left in 4th while down 8, missed on conversion throw
- Drove team to Pats 40, game winning FG was missed.
Out of the 7 INT's he threw in these games there were only 3 that I considered all his fault - the Raiders INT (Woodson read him), the Bears pick 6, and the Bears end zone INT (they were down 11 but it was a dumb play).
Things I liked were his short accuracy (early in the season and then started getting jumpy) and willingness to deliver ball in the pocket under pressure.
Couple other notes - he was under pressure most of the time in these games and had to throw a lot of balls away. Decker is not a #1 receiver and he didn't have much else to work with.
Will try to get through the rest of the season when I get time.
I did similar work... I'm tired of defending the player though when mostly the defense is against the way the Jets have tried to develop ANY QB the past 5 years.... Read Kirwin's book and you laugh at every move the Jets made till recently. Biggest mistake to me is installing a WCO that is notoriously hard and takes time to learn and needs precise route running WR's for a Rookie Project QB with some of the worst targets a team can assemble - Even last year, Harvin added in week 8 is not a Route runner and Decker was injured most of the year....
So, Kudos to the ppl who can look at a project QB in the wrong system with the wrong surrounding talents and tell us what his career will be... Pat Kirwin says he can't at this point... The Book on Geno is Incomplete IMO. We have some awesome analysts here tho that know better... What sucks about sports is there is still maybe a 75% chance they are right by just dumb luck and for the wrong reasons and the Project QB never turns into Drew Brees.
I wouldn't bet my house on the guy but, burying him IMO is equally Dumb.
Going back to some of those games - I also say the Pick 6 VS CHI was equally the fault of CJ who made no play on the ball, his career at this point is well defined by his effort on that 1 play IMO.
Like to see your thoughts on all 3 BUF Ints - I say Brandon Marshall catches or at least defends all 3
... 1 the WR Fell, 1 was tipped and the 3rd was 1-1 where Cumby was beaten by a LB.... All 3 throws were under duress and not horrible decisions on WHERE to throw the ball, more accuracy not helped by pressure but 1-1 situations where often a target needs to help a QB out.Common theme watching Geno last year -
1) Massive Pressure,
2) Horrible penalties putting the O in a hole (12 by Willie Colon alone!!!!!!)
3) With Decker limping most of the year WR core was back to prior year joke
4) No WR"s who can battle for a ball
I'm obviously rooting for Geno - But, I'm happier in the fact that whoever the QB is this year and the near future seems to have an organization behind him who will do a much better job in running an offense than the past 5+ years!!!!
Reaper
Footballguy
Great Article from Bucky Brooks today on Geno based on watching and re-watching tape and not just doing the fan thing of pretending Team results mean the QB just sucks
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000495103/article/can-geno-smith-quarterback-new-york-jets-into-2015-playoffs?campaign=twitter_writers_brooks
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000495103/article/can-geno-smith-quarterback-new-york-jets-into-2015-playoffs?campaign=twitter_writers_brooks
cstu
Footballguy
This was his MO in college, too. When things go right, he looks like a stud, but when things don't,
