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QB Geno Smith, SEA (1 Viewer)
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Insein
Footballguy
Yeesh.
I'm just thinking of all the people that wanted the Eagles to take this guy #4 overall.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Because he "fits the system." Lol
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
Speaking of team's needing QBs, StL is going to make a killing w/ the Redskins 1rd round pick next spring.
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
Read option is not the answer. Gadget plays, sure, but coordinators adjusted and he'd get teed up when he's out of the pocket.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
To be fair, the Jets have the worst skill position players in the NFL. I don't think it's close, either. I'm not saying Geno is blameless, but it's hard to play QB in this league when you have a bunch of #4 WR's and a pair of mediocre RB's.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I think it is a but premature to call him Gabbert. However, if I owned him in a dynasty league and I had to cut him or a guy like Da'rick Rodgers, or Kelce, Franklin. I am cutting Smith
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
only if they didn't throw Sanchez to the Lions during the pre-season and get him hurt... atleast then they would have another option
lod01
Footballguy
That's because the read option is old news and doesn't work anymore. An NFL QB needs to be able to drop back, read coverages and find open WRs. Looking at the #1, seeing he isn't open and taking off and running ain't cutting it anywhere.
His WRs blow and probably are one of the worst crews around but so did Oakland's until a drop back passer was inserted.
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Insein
Footballguy
I think there will be some one who will try it going forward. They will need a patient owner though. Too many busts like Ponder, Gabbert, locker that get destroyed early on and have to try and salvage a career when they could have benefited from some seasoning under an apprenticeship.
very good point. Think of the difference of Brady with and without gronk. If you have no difference makers it makes things very difficult.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Geno's last 5 games he's avg 2 ppg. I feel bad for anyone with season tickets. RIP fireman Ed
Max Power
Footballguy
I think everyone touched on the all the key points. Which is why I question the purpose of this thread. To say Geno isn't a potential franchise QB? In reality there are only about 10 QBs any team wants to build around these days.
He is a 2nd round rookie who plays on a team with by far the worst skill position players in the NFL. BY FAR. Geno has a lot of growing to do. He was thrown on the fire and had his ups and downs. Like any Rookie QB, you get the good with the bad.
I'm not a JETS fan, or a Geno fan, but people really need to work on their expectation management. The stats quoted are meaningless.
He is a 2nd round rookie who plays on a team with by far the worst skill position players in the NFL. BY FAR. Geno has a lot of growing to do. He was thrown on the fire and had his ups and downs. Like any Rookie QB, you get the good with the bad.
I'm not a JETS fan, or a Geno fan, but people really need to work on their expectation management. The stats quoted are meaningless.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
So not throwing a TD in over a month is meaningless?
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
The biggest difference between Gabbert and Geno is that Gabbert was afraid to throw downfield. In 2011,Gabbert's average passed traveled just 7.8 yards downfield, 27th in the league. It was 7.9 last year, 28th in the league.
Geno's average pass is 9.8 yards downfield, #1 in the league. They're very different types of quarterbacks. I think if Geno had a good line and good receivers, he could play well in a vertical offense. I don't think the same of Gabbert.
Geno's average pass is 9.8 yards downfield, #1 in the league. They're very different types of quarterbacks. I think if Geno had a good line and good receivers, he could play well in a vertical offense. I don't think the same of Gabbert.
5Rings
Lurker
Not fair to grade Geno or anybody on a team as devoid of offensive talent as the Jets.Rex is COY for getting 5 wins out of this crew
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TwinTurbo
Footballguy
Agreed. There was another thread about this in the preseason and I think the Jets do have the worst talent level on offense even below the Jags and Raiders. How many of their starters would start for another team?
msudaisy26
Footballguy
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
Why not post his stats from the entire season. Cherry picking his worst stretch.Att: 179
Comp: 327
Comp%: 54.7
YPG: 188
TD: 11 (3 Rush)
INT: 8
East Coast Bias
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Not saying he is good or anything, cause he isn't (at least not now), but good grief it sure doesn't help to throw to nothing but ridiculous trash.
These are the kind of numbers a bad QB puts up when he has the worst targets in football.
As a Browns fan I know me some bad quarterbacking. I think there is a prtty good chance Geno is better whan Weeden, but weeden has had some decent games because he occasionally throws a so-so pass to a guy who happily takes it 70 yards to the house for him.
These are the kind of numbers a bad QB puts up when he has the worst targets in football.
As a Browns fan I know me some bad quarterbacking. I think there is a prtty good chance Geno is better whan Weeden, but weeden has had some decent games because he occasionally throws a so-so pass to a guy who happily takes it 70 yards to the house for him.
lod01
Footballguy
That won't make a difference. I expect them to draft one of the top WRs in this years draft. Gotta feel sorry for that guy. This guy sucks and sucks bad.
However, currently he is the best QB in New York. Word has it though that the Giants are finally going to fire KillDrive.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I'd say one of the biggest problems for Smith and this offense is that Hill has turned into such a bust. He doesn't even have Shorts & Blackmon like Gabbert did. He lost Keller, who was always digging Sanchez out of trouble. Finally, Smith could have well used a couple years on the bench learning, instead he gets thrown into the Meadowlands fire.
However for FF the Gabbert comparison is apt because the point is you want to start the DST that is playing him - though I will always point out the Jets appear to be much better at home than they are on the road
JaxBill
Footballguy
Both sets of numbers make no sense. Completions > Attempts?
Not even Joe Montana di that.
JaxBill
Footballguy
To be fair, Gabbert as a rookie walked into a terrible situation also. He was suddenly thrust into the starting role when they unexpectedly cut Leftwich. He had a bad OL and his WR his rookie year were Mike Thomas, Jarrett Dillard, and Jason Hill. Shorts was a special teamer who only caught 2 passes.
JFS171
Footballguy
Just for kicks...
QB A's Rookie Season (10 games):
-- 53.3 Completion Percentage (201/377)
-- 2267 yards (6.0 YPA)
-- 13 TDs
-- 20 INTs
QB B's Rookie Season (14 games):
-- 55.3 Completion Percentage (210/380)
-- 2642 yards (7.0 YPA)
-- 10 TDs
-- 21 INTs
Second one is obviously Geno since it's his thread. But while Geno has been throwing to Steven Hill, David Nelson, the ghost of Kellen Winslow, Jeremy Kerley for part of the time, and Santonio Holmes for part of the time, QB A was throwing to Kevin Smith, Maurice Morris, Bryant Johnson, Brandon Pettigrew, and some dude named Calvin Johnson.
Geno's getting hammered for the INTs, and he should - he's making way too many mistakes. But he's got NO ONE to throw the ball to... and it's not like they're supporting him with a power run game that he's hiding behind. Stafford threw only 1 less pick than Geno has in 4 fewer games (over the same number of pass attempts - roughly) his rookie season, and there's no doubt his receiving corps was vastly superior. Should also be noted Geno's added nearly 3X the rushing yards Stafford brought to the table.
I think the Jets would be pretty happy if Geno turned out to be Matthew Stafford... way too early to close the book on the kid.
QB A's Rookie Season (10 games):
-- 53.3 Completion Percentage (201/377)
-- 2267 yards (6.0 YPA)
-- 13 TDs
-- 20 INTs
QB B's Rookie Season (14 games):
-- 55.3 Completion Percentage (210/380)
-- 2642 yards (7.0 YPA)
-- 10 TDs
-- 21 INTs
Second one is obviously Geno since it's his thread. But while Geno has been throwing to Steven Hill, David Nelson, the ghost of Kellen Winslow, Jeremy Kerley for part of the time, and Santonio Holmes for part of the time, QB A was throwing to Kevin Smith, Maurice Morris, Bryant Johnson, Brandon Pettigrew, and some dude named Calvin Johnson.
Geno's getting hammered for the INTs, and he should - he's making way too many mistakes. But he's got NO ONE to throw the ball to... and it's not like they're supporting him with a power run game that he's hiding behind. Stafford threw only 1 less pick than Geno has in 4 fewer games (over the same number of pass attempts - roughly) his rookie season, and there's no doubt his receiving corps was vastly superior. Should also be noted Geno's added nearly 3X the rushing yards Stafford brought to the table.
I think the Jets would be pretty happy if Geno turned out to be Matthew Stafford... way too early to close the book on the kid.
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He made some progress last year but he needs to make more this year. Give him the reigns but have a solid backup plan if he regresses. I'm not sure Vick or Schaub would want to go to the Jets as i think they'd want to go someplace where they have a bit better chance to start next year, not to mention their offensive weapons are among the weakest in the league.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Maybe, but Vick has made it clear he wants to start. He may end up with the Jets but only if noone else will give him a better opportunity.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
I'm not giving up on geno yet, he flashed some very good signs the last 4 games...
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
I am not a huge Geno fan (I think he will likely top out around where Sanchez was), but it is tough to judge him when he has nothing to work with. Sanchez tossed 26 TDs in 2011 with Keller, Holmes and Plax (still no great shakes which is why I don't believe the story is done on Sanchez); Smith had Kerley (average at best slot guy) and Stephen Hill (non-developing version of Plax), and Cumberland/Winslow. The pass-catching situation is so bad, it is reminiscent of the days before Jacksonville had Mike Thomas/Blackmon/Shorts. If you did a 12 team FF draft that was 20 rounds, not one Jet pass catcher would be selected.
This is why I think they need to be aggressive in FA and get a WR or two. I really don't care if they pick up two #2s and try to make it work, but they need something in order to fairly judge Smith. Even going WR in the 1st is not enough...they can't afford to wait or else by the time drafted WRs develop, they will have lost the prime of Mangold and Brick.
This is why I think they need to be aggressive in FA and get a WR or two. I really don't care if they pick up two #2s and try to make it work, but they need something in order to fairly judge Smith. Even going WR in the 1st is not enough...they can't afford to wait or else by the time drafted WRs develop, they will have lost the prime of Mangold and Brick.
cstu
Footballguy
With the except of his awful November, Geno wasn't that bad. But November was horrendous:
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Split Value G W L T Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A A/G Y/G Att Yds Y/A TD A/G Y/G Rec Yds Y/R TD R/G Y/G TD PtsMonth September 4 2 2 0 78 136 57.35% 1090 4 8 68.6 8.01 5.96 34.0 272.5 16 85 5.31 1 4.0 21.3 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 1 6 October 4 2 2 0 72 117 61.54% 792 4 5 75.2 6.77 5.53 29.3 198.0 14 69 4.93 1 3.5 17.3 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 1 6 November 3 1 2 0 25 64 39.06% 345 0 5 24.5 5.39 1.88 21.3 115.0 10 24 2.40 1 3.3 8.0 1 13 13.00 0 0.3 4.3 1 6 December 5 3 2 0 72 126 57.14% 819 4 3 77.4 6.50 6.06 25.2 163.8 32 188 5.88 3 6.4 37.6 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 3 18
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PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
JAA
Footballguy
WVU homer here
Geno is so different than Sanchez. Geno will work and work and work. There will be no question about his commitment to getting better. This wont guarantee squat, but he wants to be better.
Will Geno be the QB the JEts need him to be? I think so, but see my opening statement.
Geno is so different than Sanchez. Geno will work and work and work. There will be no question about his commitment to getting better. This wont guarantee squat, but he wants to be better.
Will Geno be the QB the JEts need him to be? I think so, but see my opening statement.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
In college he ran a lot of safe slants, shovel passes and bubble screens like Gabbert did. As a rookie his AY/A was 5.3. I don't see how he becomes a verticle threat, dissecting def downfield all of a sudden.
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