QB Jameis Winston, NYG (4 Viewers)

[JuniorNB]

Mariota threw for four with ####. Jameis had weapons and an OL and did nothing.

I get that you say you are "having fun" with this biut if you think JW had weapons (Evans was out) and an OL (probably the worst in the league) then you just aren't paying attention.

I wanted Ali Marpet in a mock draft here for the Jets. Does that suffice? I think your OL is okay; many teams have dealt. Let's not put this on the line, which is pretty good, and one that most teams would take. Mankins?

Seriously, I know Evans is out, but if you can't laugh about four touchdowns vs. Jameis's team you're taking this too seriously. But this thread is...serious.

I know. Jameis will adjust. He's smart. He's awesome. Cannon.

I actually don't doubt it; but c'mon for a day. This came to a head. Yikes.

eta* I mean, how much sense does Marpet make for the Jets and their OL depth? Jeez.

I'm not taking it serious. It's honestly hysterical to me to see the overreaction and lack of general knowledge here. Marpet was a good pick and will be a good player but he's not yet. The line run blocked well but the pass blocking was atrocious. I'm sure the PFF numbers will back that up.

if you don't admit that you're a little bit worried, you're just a liar. No one could have possibly watched that game yesterday and not walked away realizing Tampa made a huge mistake.

Not worried even a little bit. No decisions in the NFL have ever been vindicated in week 1. As many have said, everybody anointed RG3 after his first game too.

Not saying his career has been defined already, but Mariota is 10 times the quarterback already. Plus, Mariota is a character guy and a leader. Just terrible player evaluation on Tampa's part.

 

[lod01]

Pass blocking had nothing to do with the horrific INTs. He was untouched. They were simply mistakes that a bonehead would make. The NFL game is way too fast for him. Of course the so called experts said he was the most pro ready.

at all the comparisons to the all-time greats, Manning, Favre (now) and to an established QB in Andrew Luck. The real comparisons will end up being to Leaf, Russell, etc. (worst 1st round QBs ever)I figure once this guy starts losing week after week, he will go rogue on the play calling and make it up as he goes along trying to show that he's NFL material...which of course will blow up in his face. The last thing this clown should be doing is changing a play at the line of scrimmage. Don't believe the BS hype that he's a student of the game. He's had it easy in college with a superstar team around him and a weak conference. He got his ### owned once he met up with a real college team. He has no clue how hard it is to play QB at the NFL level but he is going to find out and TB is going to need to start looking for a real NFL QB because they blew it bad on this whole debacle. The icing on the cake will be if they trade Glennon and he goes on to become an average or better starter in the league.

 

[Grahamburn]

How bad must it have sucked for everyone in the Tampa Bay organization to see that #1 pick golden boy is a flop, while watching the guy they should have taken throw for 4 touchdowns?

Winston's poor performance was certainly magnified because of who it came against and how Mariota looked. Beautiful execution of the game plan. Precise. Tough to swallow for Bucs' fans.

The Titan's coaching staff did a fantastic job putting Marcus in a position to succeed with their play calling. I don't think he threw a pass more than 10 yards in the air. Granted, he didn't have to. They ran the same read option quick hitter at least 5 times for easy completions. Lovie's archaic defense couldn't make an adjustment.

The game really turned on the 4th and 1 replay review. Winston had started to settle down. The Bucs were running the ball. The Titans went right down and scored again after the first down was overturned and the game was basically over.

Had the Bucs drafted Mariota they would have tried to make him something he's not anyway and the result likely would have been the same. Winston was the right choice because this franchise is still stuck in 2002, and he was the player Lovie didn't need to change for.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Mariota threw for four with ####. Jameis had weapons and an OL and did nothing.

I get that you say you are "having fun" with this biut if you think JW had weapons (Evans was out) and an OL (probably the worst in the league) then you just aren't paying attention.

I wanted Ali Marpet in a mock draft here for the Jets. Does that suffice? I think your OL is okay; many teams have dealt. Let's not put this on the line, which is pretty good, and one that most teams would take. Mankins?

Seriously, I know Evans is out, but if you can't laugh about four touchdowns vs. Jameis's team you're taking this too seriously. But this thread is...serious.

I know. Jameis will adjust. He's smart. He's awesome. Cannon.

I actually don't doubt it; but c'mon for a day. This came to a head. Yikes.

eta* I mean, how much sense does Marpet make for the Jets and their OL depth? Jeez.

I'm not taking it serious. It's honestly hysterical to me to see the overreaction and lack of general knowledge here. Marpet was a good pick and will be a good player but he's not yet. The line run blocked well but the pass blocking was atrocious. I'm sure the PFF numbers will back that up.

if you don't admit that you're a little bit worried, you're just a liar. No one could have possibly watched that game yesterday and not walked away realizing Tampa made a huge mistake.

A liar? Really? I am a Winston owner and I'm not worried at all. Anyone who has followed the NFL for any length of time understands that a player is not defined by their performance in their first regular season game of their career - most especially QBs.

What does it say about the acumen of a poster who thinks an entire career is predicated on one game?

It's interesting seeing so many people so personally invested in seeing this guy fail. Actually, interesting probably isn't the right word. Disturbing is probably more apt.

 

[JuniorNB]

Mariota threw for four with ####. Jameis had weapons and an OL and did nothing.

I get that you say you are "having fun" with this biut if you think JW had weapons (Evans was out) and an OL (probably the worst in the league) then you just aren't paying attention.

I wanted Ali Marpet in a mock draft here for the Jets. Does that suffice? I think your OL is okay; many teams have dealt. Let's not put this on the line, which is pretty good, and one that most teams would take. Mankins?

Seriously, I know Evans is out, but if you can't laugh about four touchdowns vs. Jameis's team you're taking this too seriously. But this thread is...serious.

I know. Jameis will adjust. He's smart. He's awesome. Cannon.

I actually don't doubt it; but c'mon for a day. This came to a head. Yikes.

eta* I mean, how much sense does Marpet make for the Jets and their OL depth? Jeez.

I'm not taking it serious. It's honestly hysterical to me to see the overreaction and lack of general knowledge here.Marpet was a good pick and will be a good player but he's not yet. The line run blocked well but the pass blocking was atrocious. I'm sure the PFF numbers will back that up.

if you don't admit that you're a little bit worried, you're just a liar. No one could have possibly watched that game yesterday and not walked away realizing Tampa made a huge mistake.

A liar? Really? I am a Winston owner and I'm not worried at all. Anyone who has followed the NFL for any length of time understands that a player is not defined by their performance in their first regular season game of their career - most especially QBs.

What does it say about the acumen of a poster who thinks an entire career is predicated on one game?

It's interesting seeing so many people so personally invested in seeing this guy fail. Actually, interesting probably isn't the right word. Disturbing is probably more apt.

Why is it disturbing? He's a rapist (alleged) and a thief (proven). It's a bad thing to wish failure on bad people?

 

[Capella]

It's hard to appreciate just how high a horse somebody is on (and how perfect they must be) to call somebody a bad person because they stole 30 bucks worth of crab legs as a 20-year-old.

And he didn't rape the girl. Save the FSU PD argument the rape kit came back as inconclusive as well.

Ps, that's also why people are saying the hate in here is odd and disturbing. It really is fascinating to watch. Like a Petri dish of Internet hatred all right here in this thread. It's kind of unhealthy but extremely fascinating to see people hate somebody they've never even met this much.

 

[mr roboto]

^^^ Is it 'hate' to say you think he's got questionable character and may not be a good NFL QB? I know the kids these days use 'hate' very flippantly. Just trying to understand here.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Mariota threw for four with ####. Jameis had weapons and an OL and did nothing.

I get that you say you are "having fun" with this biut if you think JW had weapons (Evans was out) and an OL (probably the worst in the league) then you just aren't paying attention.

I wanted Ali Marpet in a mock draft here for the Jets. Does that suffice? I think your OL is okay; many teams have dealt. Let's not put this on the line, which is pretty good, and one that most teams would take. Mankins?

Seriously, I know Evans is out, but if you can't laugh about four touchdowns vs. Jameis's team you're taking this too seriously. But this thread is...serious.

I know. Jameis will adjust. He's smart. He's awesome. Cannon.

I actually don't doubt it; but c'mon for a day. This came to a head. Yikes.

eta* I mean, how much sense does Marpet make for the Jets and their OL depth? Jeez.

I'm not taking it serious. It's honestly hysterical to me to see the overreaction and lack of general knowledge here.Marpet was a good pick and will be a good player but he's not yet. The line run blocked well but the pass blocking was atrocious. I'm sure the PFF numbers will back that up.

if you don't admit that you're a little bit worried, you're just a liar. No one could have possibly watched that game yesterday and not walked away realizing Tampa made a huge mistake.

A liar? Really? I am a Winston owner and I'm not worried at all. Anyone who has followed the NFL for any length of time understands that a player is not defined by their performance in their first regular season game of their career - most especially QBs.What does it say about the acumen of a poster who thinks an entire career is predicated on one game?

It's interesting seeing so many people so personally invested in seeing this guy fail. Actually, interesting probably isn't the right word. Disturbing is probably more apt.

Why is it disturbing? He's a rapist (alleged) and a thief (proven). It's a bad thing to wish failure on bad people?

An alleged rape and taking some crab legs? Okay, thanks Javert.

I sincerely hope no one is judging your life and wishing you complete failure based upon the standards you have for others.

 

[Grahamburn]

^^^ Is it 'hate' to say you think he's got questionable character and may not be a good NFL QB? I know the kids these days use 'hate' very flippantly. Just trying to understand here.

It isn't, but to come in and gloat like this while also actively rooting for someone to fail is odd.

 

[The Duff Man]

^^^ Is it 'hate' to say you think he's got questionable character and may not be a good NFL QB? I know the kids these days use 'hate' very flippantly. Just trying to understand here.

It isn't, but to come in and gloat like this while also actively rooting for someone to fail is odd.

Thats the internet. But it isnt new....enjoying watching people fall is a part of the human condition.

 

[bigmarc27]

Banana boy is already starting to blame the coach instead. I love it.

The coach is 2-15 here and the defense he runs gave up 35 in 3 quarters.

Are you people for real? This is kind of fascinating really.

So the staff sucks and the GM has brought in terrible talent... Except at QB? That's your reasoning? They just happened to have done almost everything wrong except Jameis where they caught lightning in a bottle?

 

[Grahamburn]

Banana boy is already starting to blame the coach instead. I love it.

The coach is 2-15 here and the defense he runs gave up 35 in 3 quarters.

Are you people for real? This is kind of fascinating really.

So the staff sucks and the GM has brought in terrible talent... Except at QB? That's your reasoning? They just happened to have done almost everything wrong except Jameis where they caught lightning in a bottle?

They all suck equally at the moment.

 

[Capella]

Banana boy is already starting to blame the coach instead. I love it.

The coach is 2-15 here and the defense he runs gave up 35 in 3 quarters. Are you people for real? This is kind of fascinating really.

So the staff sucks and the GM has brought in terrible talent... Except at QB? That's your reasoning? They just happened to have done almost everything wrong except Jameis where they caught lightning in a bottle?

I have no idea how you took that from anything I wrote.

 

[bigmarc27]

Banana boy is already starting to blame the coach instead. I love it.

The coach is 2-15 here and the defense he runs gave up 35 in 3 quarters. Are you people for real? This is kind of fascinating really.

So the staff sucks and the GM has brought in terrible talent... Except at QB? That's your reasoning? They just happened to have done almost everything wrong except Jameis where they caught lightning in a bottle?

I have no idea how you took that from anything I wrote.

A culmination of many posts, I just quoted the one...

Do you think Lovie has done a good job?

Has the GM done a good job?

 

[Bronco Billy]

^^^ Is it 'hate' to say you think he's got questionable character and may not be a good NFL QB? I know the kids these days use 'hate' very flippantly. Just trying to understand here.

It isn't, but to come in and gloat like this while also actively rooting for someone to fail is odd.

Thats the internet. But it isnt new....enjoying watching people fall is a part of the human condition.

Now there's an interesting position. I see a fundamental part of the human equation to be that we have the free will and conscience to overcome our more base desires.

 

[jabarony]

It's hard to appreciate just how high a horse somebody is on (and how perfect they must be) to call somebody a bad person because they stole 30 bucks worth of crab legs as a 20-year-old.

And he didn't rape the girl. Save the FSU PD argument the rape kit came back as inconclusive as well.

Ps, that's also why people are saying the hate in here is odd and disturbing. It really is fascinating to watch. Like a Petri dish of Internet hatred all right here in this thread. It's kind of unhealthy but extremely fascinating to see people hate somebody they've never even met this much.

I don't understand how stealing $30 worth of merchandise is not a big deal. I'm sure the store wasn't pleased. Would you be ok with random 20 year olds stealing $30 from you because it's"only" $30? And you wrote it yourself, like it's an excuse - he's 20. Not 5, not 8 - he's a full grown adult who is either a complete imbecile because he doesn't reallyknow theft=bad. Or, he does realize it is wrong/criminal but is just a bad guy.

 

[jabarony]

^^^ Is it 'hate' to say you think he's got questionable character and may not be a good NFL QB? I know the kids these days use 'hate' very flippantly. Just trying to understand here.

It isn't, but to come in and gloat like this while also actively rooting for someone to fail is odd.

Thats the internet. But it isnt new....enjoying watching people fall is a part of the human condition.

Now there's an interesting position. I see a fundamental part of the human equation to be that we have the free will and conscience to overcome our more base desires.

Like not taking crab legs that don't belong to you?

 

[Bronco Billy]

^^^ Is it 'hate' to say you think he's got questionable character and may not be a good NFL QB? I know the kids these days use 'hate' very flippantly. Just trying to understand here.

It isn't, but to come in and gloat like this while also actively rooting for someone to fail is odd.

Thats the internet. But it isnt new....enjoying watching people fall is a part of the human condition.

Now there's an interesting position. I see a fundamental part of the human equation to be that we have the free will and conscience to overcome our more base desires.

Like not taking crab legs that don't belong to you?

Yes. Like that.

However, I don't condemn all people to wishes of abject failure in the careers over a couple of stupid acts in their youth. If so, I'd pretty much be wishing failure on everyone. Is that what you do? Root for everyone around you to fail?

 

[Capella]

Banana boy is already starting to blame the coach instead. I love it.

The coach is 2-15 here and the defense he runs gave up 35 in 3 quarters. Are you people for real? This is kind of fascinating really.

So the staff sucks and the GM has brought in terrible talent... Except at QB? That's your reasoning? They just happened to have done almost everything wrong except Jameis where they caught lightning in a bottle?

I have no idea how you took that from anything I wrote.

A culmination of many posts, I just quoted the one...Do you think Lovie has done a good job?

Has the GM done a good job?

Definitely not.

Too early to tell. I think he has drafted well.

 

[jabarony]

^^^ Is it 'hate' to say you think he's got questionable character and may not be a good NFL QB? I know the kids these days use 'hate' very flippantly. Just trying to understand here.

It isn't, but to come in and gloat like this while also actively rooting for someone to fail is odd.

Thats the internet. But it isnt new....enjoying watching people fall is a part of the human condition.

Now there's an interesting position. I see a fundamental part of the human equation to be that we have the free will and conscience to overcome our more base desires.

Like not taking crab legs that don't belong to you?

Yes. Like that. However, I don't condemn all people to wishes of abject failure in the careers over a couple of stupid acts in their youth. If so, I'd pretty much be wishing failure on everyone. Is that what you do? Root for everyone around you to fail?

20+ years old isn't really youth. He's an adult. And the only failure I wish on him is that he keeps throwing picks to my ff defenses. I hope he becomes a productive member of society long term. His choices til now make me wary ofthat. And the next 3 years will serve TB right for drafting a poor decision maker (on and off field).

 

[JuniorNB]

Mariota threw for four with ####. Jameis had weapons and an OL and did nothing.

I get that you say you are "having fun" with this biut if you think JW had weapons (Evans was out) and an OL (probably the worst in the league) then you just aren't paying attention.

I wanted Ali Marpet in a mock draft here for the Jets. Does that suffice? I think your OL is okay; many teams have dealt. Let's not put this on the line, which is pretty good, and one that most teams would take. Mankins?

Seriously, I know Evans is out, but if you can't laugh about four touchdowns vs. Jameis's team you're taking this too seriously. But this thread is...serious.

I know. Jameis will adjust. He's smart. He's awesome. Cannon.

I actually don't doubt it; but c'mon for a day. This came to a head. Yikes.

eta* I mean, how much sense does Marpet make for the Jets and their OL depth? Jeez.

I'm not taking it serious. It's honestly hysterical to me to see the overreaction and lack of general knowledge here.Marpet was a good pick and will be a good player but he's not yet. The line run blocked well but the pass blocking was atrocious. I'm sure the PFF numbers will back that up.

if you don't admit that you're a little bit worried, you're just a liar. No one could have possibly watched that game yesterday and not walked away realizing Tampa made a huge mistake.

A liar? Really? I am a Winston owner and I'm not worried at all. Anyone who has followed the NFL for any length of time understands that a player is not defined by their performance in their first regular season game of their career - most especially QBs.What does it say about the acumen of a poster who thinks an entire career is predicated on one game?

It's interesting seeing so many people so personally invested in seeing this guy fail. Actually, interesting probably isn't the right word. Disturbing is probably more apt.

Why is it disturbing? He's a rapist (alleged) and a thief (proven). It's a bad thing to wish failure on bad people?

An alleged rape and taking some crab legs? Okay, thanks Javert.

I sincerely hope no one is judging your life and wishing you complete failure based upon the standards you have for others.

He was also handcuffed in 2012 for shooting squirrels with a BB gun. Suspended a game for standing on a lunchroom table and shouting obscenities. I'll add to that the fact that he posted an Instagram picture of himself eating crab legs when he got drafted. Which shows you how sorry he was for his shoplifting. The guy is just a mental midget. His failing in the pros will be just as satisfying, and surprising, as when Ryan Leaf nosedived and was out of football in a few years.

 

[Grahamburn]

Can we stop rehashing the same stuff? What's the point? It's irrelevant.

How he, and the team in general, played yesterday is the only thing worth talking about. Poorly. Next week can't get here fast enough.

 

[jabarony]

Can we stop rehashing the same stuff? What's the point? It's irrelevant.

How he, and the team in general, played yesterday is the only thing worth talking about. Poorly. Next week can't get here fast enough.

You got the Saints defense?

 

[lod01]

Can we stop rehashing the same stuff? What's the point? It's irrelevant.

How he, and the team in general, played yesterday is the only thing worth talking about. Poorly. Next week can't get here fast enough.

You got the Saints defense?

Plus Rep times infinity for that one.

All the off the filed BS aside, I focus on the skills and they are not there at the Pro level where everyone you play against is as big and as fast as everyone else. It's not the weak ### schedule of the college level. He's slow. He's clumsy, as we saw against Oregon and saw this week. He's totally clueless out there. He has a poor baseball like delivery. That's pro ready???? His INTs had no pressure on him at all. He just flat out fed it to the other team. Wait until he actually plays a good D.

About the only thing he has when compared to Brett Favre, other than the 1st pass being an INT for a TD, is that he looks at a playbook and shakes his head yes when he knows damn well that he has no idea what it says.... He's fooling those that say he's a film room guy. He's watching the video. He just doesn't know what he's looking at. Favre admitted that early in his career that he had no clue what the hell coaches were telling him.

 

[cstu]

How bad must it have sucked for everyone in the Tampa Bay organization to see that #1 pick golden boy is a flop, while watching the guy they should have taken throw for 4 touchdowns?

Winston's poor performance was certainly magnified because of who it came against and how Mariota looked. Beautiful execution of the game plan. Precise. Tough to swallow for Bucs' fans.

The Titan's coaching staff did a fantastic job putting Marcus in a position to succeed with their play calling. I don't think he threw a pass more than 10 yards in the air. Granted, he didn't have to. They ran the same read option quick hitter at least 5 times for easy completions. Lovie's archaic defense couldn't make an adjustment.

The game really turned on the 4th and 1 replay review. Winston had started to settle down. The Bucs were running the ball. The Titans went right down and scored again after the first down was overturned and the game was basically over.

Had the Bucs drafted Mariota they would have tried to make him something he's not anyway and the result likely would have been the same. Winston was the right choice because this franchise is still stuck in 2002, and he was the player Lovie didn't need to change for.

Bucs would have won the game with Mariota.

 

[mr roboto]

It is telling re:human nature that this thread is considerably more active today that the MM thread. We like a trainwreck more than success apparently.

 

[lod01]

How bad must it have sucked for everyone in the Tampa Bay organization to see that #1 pick golden boy is a flop, while watching the guy they should have taken throw for 4 touchdowns?

Winston's poor performance was certainly magnified because of who it came against and how Mariota looked. Beautiful execution of the game plan. Precise. Tough to swallow for Bucs' fans.

The Titan's coaching staff did a fantastic job putting Marcus in a position to succeed with their play calling. I don't think he threw a pass more than 10 yards in the air. Granted, he didn't have to. They ran the same read option quick hitter at least 5 times for easy completions. Lovie's archaic defense couldn't make an adjustment.

The game really turned on the 4th and 1 replay review. Winston had started to settle down. The Bucs were running the ball. The Titans went right down and scored again after the first down was overturned and the game was basically over.

Had the Bucs drafted Mariota they would have tried to make him something he's not anyway and the result likely would have been the same. Winston was the right choice because this franchise is still stuck in 2002, and he was the player Lovie didn't need to change for.

Bucs would have won the game with Mariota.

There is no doubt that if Mariota was the Bucs QB and Winston was the Titans QB, that the Bucs would have won.

 

[Grahamburn]

We'll never know. Trying not to overreact, but I'm sure just about every Buc fan is playing the what if game today.

 

[Bronco Billy]

He was also handcuffed in 2012 for shooting squirrels with a BB gun. Suspended a game for standing on a lunchroom table and shouting obscenities. I'll add to that the fact that he posted an Instagram picture of himself eating crab legs when he got drafted.

Well, now you've convinced me. Lifting $30 worth of crab legs, shooting rodents with a BB gun, AND swearing from a table top?

Holy crap, not only do I hope he fails miserably but I'd advocate for capital punishment.

Great points. Thanks.

 

[lod01]

It is telling re:human nature that this thread is considerably more active today that the MM thread. We like a trainwreck more than success apparently.

This thread is going just like I predicted. it will be just like the Tebow thread and the Vince Young thread.

Capella (Winston) = shnikies (Tebow) and the hairy scotsman (young).

 

[Steve Tasker]

It's interesting seeing so many people so personally invested in seeing this guy fail. Actually, interesting probably isn't the right word. Disturbing is probably more apt.

disturbing a great word for it.

 

[rustycolts]

How bad must it have sucked for everyone in the Tampa Bay organization to see that #1 pick golden boy is a flop, while watching the guy they should have taken throw for 4 touchdowns?

Winston's poor performance was certainly magnified because of who it came against and how Mariota looked. Beautiful execution of the game plan. Precise. Tough to swallow for Bucs' fans.

The Titan's coaching staff did a fantastic job putting Marcus in a position to succeed with their play calling. I don't think he threw a pass more than 10 yards in the air. Granted, he didn't have to. They ran the same read option quick hitter at least 5 times for easy completions. Lovie's archaic defense couldn't make an adjustment.

The game really turned on the 4th and 1 replay review. Winston had started to settle down. The Bucs were running the ball. The Titans went right down and scored again after the first down was overturned and the game was basically over.

Had the Bucs drafted Mariota they would have tried to make him something he's not anyway and the result likely would have been the same. Winston was the right choice because this franchise is still stuck in 2002, and he was the player Lovie didn't need to change for.

Bucs would have won the game with Mariota.

Being a Buc fan for many many years I can guarantee that they would have found a way to lose with Mariota unless Tony was coaching.

 

[cobalt_27]

It is telling re:human nature that this thread is considerably more active today that the MM thread. We like a trainwreck more than success apparently.

I don't think it's a matter of liking the train wreck more than success as it is the feeling of vindication of seeing the ##### get punched in the face, embarrassed, fail. Pretty common narrative in and out of sports.

 

[JuniorNB]

He was also handcuffed in 2012 for shooting squirrels with a BB gun. Suspended a game for standing on a lunchroom table and shouting obscenities. I'll add to that the fact that he posted an Instagram picture of himself eating crab legs when he got drafted.

Well, now you've convinced me. Lifting $30 worth of crab legs, shooting rodents with a BB gun, AND swearing from a table top?

Holy crap, not only do I hope he fails miserably but I'd advocate for capital punishment.

Great points. Thanks.

And just gloss over that whole rape thingy. no biggie

 

[cstu]

ESPN First Take ‏@FirstTake 12m12 minutes ago

"I still believe @Jaboowins will PROVE long term to be better than Mariota." - @RealSkipBayless

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Why do people think Dirk Koetter is so brilliant? He never had really good offenses in Jax, and he took Matt Ryan, Julio, Roddy, etc. great personnel in ATL year after year and (thankfully) underperformed expectations. I hate the falcs but if I didn't I'd feel bad for Ryan and what he's put up with there. Anyway, I don't see why Koetter and Winston are such a great fit to begin with.

 

[Bronco Billy]

He was also handcuffed in 2012 for shooting squirrels with a BB gun. Suspended a game for standing on a lunchroom table and shouting obscenities. I'll add to that the fact that he posted an Instagram picture of himself eating crab legs when he got drafted.

Well, now you've convinced me. Lifting $30 worth of crab legs, shooting rodents with a BB gun, AND swearing from a table top?Holy crap, not only do I hope he fails miserably but I'd advocate for capital punishment.

Great points. Thanks.

And just gloss over that whole rape thingy. no biggie

Ask the Duke lacrosse players or the UVA frat about false rape accusations and their consequences to the alleged criminals.

If you're willing to convict him of that without proof, I don't see how you're in a morally superior position to make judgments on his other behaviors.

 

[Wonderllama]

I'm out on Winston. Straight up dropped him. My only hope is he doesn't drag down Mike Evans when he comes back

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

As far as the post of "hung him on ownership's payroll", the NFL has taken that out of the equation. If the Redskins thought RGIII was completely done he is only counting $3.5 million against their payroll. This is no longer the league of Jamarcus Russell taking the few years he is active and the next decade out of the teams sails.

With that being said, it won't be an easy decision for TB. The eye ball test tells me Winston is better and that seems to be a pretty universal thought around here. Comparing Winston/Mariota to Manning/Leaf is unfair to both players. Mariota has a Tim Tebow intangible reputation with a greater repertoire and more speed, while Jamies is a natural pocket passer with great tools. I think Mariota has the better floor and Winston the higher ceiling.

Lovie has always gotten his players to be professionals. I don't want to give undue credit but Chicago is where Brandon Marshall finally got his head screwed on straight. People like to point out the Mariota/Koetter connection but if he preferred the way Matt Ryan ran his offense I see much of the same skill set in Winston.

I anticipate this being a pretty heated debate leading up to the draft. I think it would be nice if both players succeed in their respective styles because they've both been a lot of fun to watch in college.

Winston is talented but I feel like his INT's are being overlooked.

I wasn't able to find a successful QB who had a 3.3% INT rate their final two years in college.

My feeling is that he's going to be a pick machine in the NFL.

ETA: I did 'sort of' find one, the last QB the Bucs took 1st overall - Vinny Testeverde (3.8%).

 

[lod01]

Why do people think Dirk Koetter is so brilliant? He never had really good offenses in Jax, and he took Matt Ryan, Julio, Roddy, etc. great personnel in ATL year after year and (thankfully) underperformed expectations. I hate the falcs but if I didn't I'd feel bad for Ryan and what he's put up with there. Anyway, I don't see why Koetter and Winston are such a great fit to begin with.

Exactly. He's just another recycled loser. He's done nothing to warrant another OC gig but somehow your weak franchises will employ losers like him. A resume of coaching success is not required to be employed in the NFL.

 

[rockaction]

Weirdly, I'm surprised by those who have no hate for him. It must be nice to forget two of the four aims of criminal justice. Personally, I have no interest in seeing this guy fail. I'd like the narrative of an accused rapist and admitted thief gone right. It would be a neat strike for the justice system if his specific deterrence and rehabilitation was indeed deterred and habilitated. Doesn't speak much for retribution, but hell, those cheering for him consider that either retrograde or inapplicable.

Must be nice to be young and with money. This might be our year, all things considering.

 

[rockaction]

It's interesting seeing so many people so personally invested in seeing this guy fail. Actually, interesting probably isn't the right word. Disturbing is probably more apt.

disturbing a great word for it.

Or just wanting justice for a rapist and thief.

But otherwise, yeah, flippancy is cool.

 

[Faust]

From Sept. 10, 2015

Greg Cosell: Jameis Winston "more good than bad"

http://www.bucsnation.com/2015/9/10/9298053/greg-cosell-jameis-winston-more-good-than-bad

 

[Ditka Butkus]

It's interesting seeing so many people so personally invested in seeing this guy fail. Actually, interesting probably isn't the right word. Disturbing is probably more apt.

disturbing a great word for it.

Or just wanting justice for a rapist and thief.

But otherwise, yeah, flippancy is cool.

I wanted him to fail because I thought they should have taken Mariotta...Could not have worked out any better.

 

[ShamrockPride]

There's also this...

Greg Presto @GregPresto

In his first start as a pro, RG3 was 19-26 for 320 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT. So I'm sure we can tell if Winston or Mariota is better right now.

@GregPresto Andrew Luck's first start: 23/45, 1 TD, 3 INT. So.

One week means NOTHING.

 

[Slapdash]

Not a surprising start.

 

[Grahamburn]

There's also this...

Greg Presto @GregPresto

In his first start as a pro, RG3 was 19-26 for 320 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT. So I'm sure we can tell if Winston or Mariota is better right now.

@GregPresto Andrew Luck's first start: 23/45, 1 TD, 3 INT. So.

One week means NOTHING.

It's hard not to blow things out of proportion when they were on the field together and the results were so drastically different.

I agree it means nothing, but it doesn't feel like nothing.

 

[Manster]

It's interesting seeing so many people so personally invested in seeing this guy fail. Actually, interesting probably isn't the right word. Disturbing is probably more apt.

disturbing a great word for it.

Or just wanting justice for a rapist and thief.

But otherwise, yeah, flippancy is cool.

Yea all the off field stuff was hard to ignore. He just kinda seems like that big man on campus D-bag. Especially when the "other" QB in the draft is a guy every father would want his daughter to marry......

 

[addicted2ff]

Man the fanboy love with Winston(casual fans as well as the media) tells me this is going to be a bust of epic proportions.

 

[Slapdash]

There's also this...

Greg Presto @GregPresto

In his first start as a pro, RG3 was 19-26 for 320 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT. So I'm sure we can tell if Winston or Mariota is better right now.

@GregPresto Andrew Luck's first start: 23/45, 1 TD, 3 INT. So.

One week means NOTHING.

It's hard not to blow things out of proportion when they were on the field together and the results were so drastically different.

I agree it means nothing, but it doesn't feel like nothing.

It doesn't mean nothing, but it may mean little.