QB Jameis Winston, NYG (3 Viewers)

[Grahamburn]

I'm not understanding your point.

 

[lod01]

I'm not understanding your point.

Oh, you are saying n Winston is sad. That I agree with.

 

[Grahamburn]

I'm not understanding your point.

Oh, you are saying n Winston is sad. That I agree with.

I thought he looked fantastic. Not sure who you were watching.,

 

[Hybrid]

Nice to see cstu.

It is weird that troll Lod couldn't carve out 7 consecutive hours to be in here posting the laughing smilie this week. Maybe he is out scouting other QBs to be wrong about?

You will meet the same fate as the Tebow lover and the Vince Young lover. They spouted off after an weak victory just like you are. I put both in their place, just like I will do to you. So go ahead and have your weak victory while you can.

Did you actually watch him play? He played extremely well.

 

[gump]

I welcome Lod's comments. He does more for Jameis n this board than anything else possible.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I didn't think Winston looked very good. The Saints had Kenny Phillips off the street starting at safety and he was completely out of position on one of the TDs. Winston missed the mark on several passes, especially an open Evans on one play, had the big fumble, should have had an early pick from a ball batted at the line, etc. really it was a lousy ballgame on both sides. Basically despite a fine performance from the defense Winston kept the Saints in the game.

 

[dhockster]

I didn't think Winston looked very good. The Saints had Kenny Phillips off the street starting at safety and he was completely out of position on one of the TDs. Winston missed the mark on several passes, especially an open Evans on one play, had the big fumble, should have had an early pick from a ball batted at the line, etc. really it was a lousy ballgame on both sides. Basically despite a fine performance from the defense Winston kept the Saints in the game.

Saints, is Rod Ryan the reason the defense is so bad, or do they just not have any talent? I don't get how that guy has kept his job.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Ready for a healthy Evans to help out a good bit.

 

[got_nugs]

I didn't think Winston looked very good. The Saints had Kenny Phillips off the street starting at safety and he was completely out of position on one of the TDs. Winston missed the mark on several passes, especially an open Evans on one play, had the big fumble, should have had an early pick from a ball batted at the line, etc. really it was a lousy ballgame on both sides. Basically despite a fine performance from the defense Winston kept the Saints in the game.

Winston kept the Saints in the game by only having 1 turnover, a fumble that resulted in 0 points? I hope he keeps teams in the game all year if that means a 114 rating with no turnovers and 2 scores.

Also, there's no real reason to add that Kenny Phillips nonsense. He was "on the street" for only 8 days, spending all summer and camp with the Saints.

 

[Capella]

I didn't think Winston looked very good. The Saints had Kenny Phillips off the street starting at safety and he was completely out of position on one of the TDs. Winston missed the mark on several passes, especially an open Evans on one play, had the big fumble, should have had an early pick from a ball batted at the line, etc. really it was a lousy ballgame on both sides. Basically despite a fine performance from the defense Winston kept the Saints in the game.

Lol Winston only threw 1 TD and no DB was stopping it.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I didn't think Winston looked very good. The Saints had Kenny Phillips off the street starting at safety and he was completely out of position on one of the TDs. Winston missed the mark on several passes, especially an open Evans on one play, had the big fumble, should have had an early pick from a ball batted at the line, etc. really it was a lousy ballgame on both sides. Basically despite a fine performance from the defense Winston kept the Saints in the game.

Winston kept the Saints in the game by only having 1 turnover, a fumble that resulted in 0 points? I hope he keeps teams in the game all year if that means a 114 rating with no turnovers and 2 scores.

Also, there's no real reason to add that Kenny Phillips nonsense. He was "on the street" for only 8 days, spending all summer and camp with the Saints.

Phillips played badly, period. The Saints were down to him and Sanford.

The fumble got the Saints back in the game even though Hocker missed the kick. Yes, I thought Winston was largely ineffective.

 

[Capella]

I didn't think Winston looked very good. The Saints had Kenny Phillips off the street starting at safety and he was completely out of position on one of the TDs. Winston missed the mark on several passes, especially an open Evans on one play, had the big fumble, should have had an early pick from a ball batted at the line, etc. really it was a lousy ballgame on both sides. Basically despite a fine performance from the defense Winston kept the Saints in the game.

Winston kept the Saints in the game by only having 1 turnover, a fumble that resulted in 0 points? I hope he keeps teams in the game all year if that means a 114 rating with no turnovers and 2 scores.Also, there's no real reason to add that Kenny Phillips nonsense. He was "on the street" for only 8 days, spending all summer and camp with the Saints.

Phillips played badly, period. The Saints were down to him and Sanford.

The fumble got the Saints back in the game even though Hocker missed the kick. Yes, I thought Winston was largely ineffective.

Pro Football Focus gave Jameis a +3.8 which is extremely good. So, you're wrong.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I didn't think Winston looked very good. The Saints had Kenny Phillips off the street starting at safety and he was completely out of position on one of the TDs. Winston missed the mark on several passes, especially an open Evans on one play, had the big fumble, should have had an early pick from a ball batted at the line, etc. really it was a lousy ballgame on both sides. Basically despite a fine performance from the defense Winston kept the Saints in the game.

Saints, is Rod Ryan the reason the defense is so bad, or do they just not have any talent? I don't get how that guy has kept his job.

He may be, Payton and him have frequent disagreements on the sideline. It's the confusion in-game that is astounding, players running around with their heads cut off pre-snap, it's ridiculous. The front office pored almost the full last two drafts into the defense, he's gotten whatever's he's asked for. For a team with a HOF QB it's a mystery to me why they keep handing the keys to him. I will say the D attacked the ball at the end of the game and got two turnovers in a row but they start slowly every time, don't get pressure consistently and can't make key stops. Dennis Allen waits in the wings.

 

[Capella]

I welcome Lod's comments. He does more for Jameis n this board than anything else possible.

Seriously.

My favorite is how he compared him to Tebow and Young. Couldn't pick a more different qb if he tried. Must be that extensive scouting background of his.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I didn't think Winston looked very good. The Saints had Kenny Phillips off the street starting at safety and he was completely out of position on one of the TDs. Winston missed the mark on several passes, especially an open Evans on one play, had the big fumble, should have had an early pick from a ball batted at the line, etc. really it was a lousy ballgame on both sides. Basically despite a fine performance from the defense Winston kept the Saints in the game.

Winston kept the Saints in the game by only having 1 turnover, a fumble that resulted in 0 points? I hope he keeps teams in the game all year if that means a 114 rating with no turnovers and 2 scores.Also, there's no real reason to add that Kenny Phillips nonsense. He was "on the street" for only 8 days, spending all summer and camp with the Saints.

Phillips played badly, period. The Saints were down to him and Sanford.

The fumble got the Saints back in the game even though Hocker missed the kick. Yes, I thought Winston was largely ineffective.

Pro Football Focus gave Jameis a +3.8 which is extremely good. So, you're wrong.

Ok. I watched the game, I was there, that was my impression. Happy to be wrong (am all the time) but the Saints were more screwed up Sunday than Winston was right. Await a game against a team that has its head on straight to cast your judgements, IMO.

 

[Capella]

I didn't think Winston looked very good. The Saints had Kenny Phillips off the street starting at safety and he was completely out of position on one of the TDs. Winston missed the mark on several passes, especially an open Evans on one play, had the big fumble, should have had an early pick from a ball batted at the line, etc. really it was a lousy ballgame on both sides. Basically despite a fine performance from the defense Winston kept the Saints in the game.

Winston kept the Saints in the game by only having 1 turnover, a fumble that resulted in 0 points? I hope he keeps teams in the game all year if that means a 114 rating with no turnovers and 2 scores.Also, there's no real reason to add that Kenny Phillips nonsense. He was "on the street" for only 8 days, spending all summer and camp with the Saints.

Phillips played badly, period. The Saints were down to him and Sanford.

The fumble got the Saints back in the game even though Hocker missed the kick. Yes, I thought Winston was largely ineffective.

Pro Football Focus gave Jameis a +3.8 which is extremely good. So, you're wrong.

Ok. I watched the game, I was there, that was my impression. Happy to be wrong (am all the time) but the Saints were more screwed up Sunday than Winston was right. Await a game against a team that has its head on straight to cast your judgements, IMO.

I expect Winston to have plenty of clunkers this year for sure.

Beating up on a bad D is what a good qb does though.

 

[Grahamburn]

Conservative play calling in the second half kept the game closer. They'll take the training wheels off eventually.

 

[Quez]

If ASj held onto that ball & Mike Evans got in bounds his stat line looks much better.

However, Jameis missed the Vjax TD. Lead him just a little too much.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Conservative play calling in the second half kept the game closer. They'll take the training wheels off eventually.

Not punching holes, just giving observations, promise.

Murphy ran free the whole game. One TD, the rushing TD, came from the 1 after Murphy broke free down the sideline on a bomb. Browner was called for the PI on a hand-guard, he was wildly out of position and (again) I am guessing he expected safety help deep.

The best drive was the answer after the Saints took the lead 7-3. Again the safety was out of position on the TD and there was help on a roughing (I think Vacarro grabbed his ankle) but it was a good drive. Otherwise you're looking at 4 FGs (and Brindz was great btw). IMO.

I agree with the point about the conservative gameplan though, the Bucs were up 23-7.

 

[Henry Ford]

I didn't think Winston looked very good. The Saints had Kenny Phillips off the street starting at safety and he was completely out of position on one of the TDs. Winston missed the mark on several passes, especially an open Evans on one play, had the big fumble, should have had an early pick from a ball batted at the line, etc. really it was a lousy ballgame on both sides. Basically despite a fine performance from the defense Winston kept the Saints in the game.

Saints, is Rod Ryan the reason the defense is so bad, or do they just not have any talent? I don't get how that guy has kept his job.

He may be, Payton and him have frequent disagreements on the sideline. It's the confusion in-game that is astounding, players running around with their heads cut off pre-snap, it's ridiculous. The front office pored almost the full last two drafts into the defense, he's gotten whatever's he's asked for. For a team with a HOF QB it's a mystery to me why they keep handing the keys to him. I will say the D attacked the ball at the end of the game and got two turnovers in a row but they start slowly every time, don't get pressure consistently and can't make key stops. Dennis Allen waits in the wings.

Yeah, you can almost see them thinking too much. A lot like the offense when it starts slowly. It's a whole team problem - I don't know what it is.

 

[Henry Ford]

If you're a Jameis fan, and I am, it's pretty easy to find vindication today because he looked good. He also looked horrible last week. The difference is those who thought he looked good today are seeing it as a good sign and not proclaiming HOF status, while those who saw the bad last week were claiming he'd be out of the league in 2 years.

There were plenty pro-Jameis guys saying he looked horrible last week. Other than cstu none of the anti-Jameis guys have posted this week.

Also oh man i'm really drunk but I have a point i'm just not sure I'm getting there.

I've posted this week. I think Jameis will ultimately be a monumental bust. But he had a decent game, definitely.

 

[Grahamburn]

Conservative play calling in the second half kept the game closer. They'll take the training wheels off eventually.

Not punching holes, just giving observations, promise.

Murphy ran free the whole game. One TD, the rushing TD, came from the 1 after Murphy broke free down the sideline on a bomb. Browner was called for the PI on a hand-guard, he was wildly out of position and (again) I am guessing he expected safety help deep.

The best drive was the answer after the Saints took the lead 7-3. Again the safety was out of position on the TD and there was help on a roughing (I think Vacarro grabbed his ankle) but it was a good drive. Otherwise you're looking at 4 FGs (and Brindz was great btw). IMO.

I agree with the point about the conservative gameplan though, the Bucs were up 23-7.

There were definitely some Bucs running wide open in the secondary. ASJ on the drop. Murphy on the end zone PI. Murphy again down the right sideline. Great throw on the run by Jameis on that play though. Other times guys were open and Jameis tucked it. I think they specifically told him not to take any chances. They knew Brees was hurt and he couldn't really push the ball down the field so they did their best to sit on the lead.

The TD throw at the end of the half was a thing of beauty. The coverage did not matter on that play. It was perfectly thrown. The best safety in the game gets beat on that play.

The officiating is bonkers. There's a flag practically every snap, and more than half of them are questionable. You can't even celebrate anymore because there's almost always a flag negating big plays.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Conservative play calling in the second half kept the game closer. They'll take the training wheels off eventually.

Not punching holes, just giving observations, promise.

Murphy ran free the whole game. One TD, the rushing TD, came from the 1 after Murphy broke free down the sideline on a bomb. Browner was called for the PI on a hand-guard, he was wildly out of position and (again) I am guessing he expected safety help deep.

The best drive was the answer after the Saints took the lead 7-3. Again the safety was out of position on the TD and there was help on a roughing (I think Vacarro grabbed his ankle) but it was a good drive. Otherwise you're looking at 4 FGs (and Brindz was great btw). IMO.

I agree with the point about the conservative gameplan though, the Bucs were up 23-7.

There were definitely some Bucs running wide open in the secondary. ASJ on the drop. Murphy on the end zone PI. Murphy again down the right sideline. Great throw on the run by Jameis on that play though. Other times guys were open and Jameis tucked it. I think they specifically told him not to take any chances. They knew Brees was hurt and he couldn't really push the ball down the field so they did their best to sit on the lead.

The TD throw at the end of the half was a thing of beauty. The coverage did not matter on that play. It was perfectly thrown. The best safety in the game gets beat on that play.

The officiating is bonkers. There's a flag practically every snap, and more than half of them are questionable. You can't even celebrate anymore because there's almost always a flag negating big plays.

Not contradicting you, just talking football. - Did you see how much space Jackson had before the snap? He looked completely uncovered.

 

[Grahamburn]

Jackson had a free release. The throw is what was indefensible.

 

[cstu]

Adam Schefter
✔@AdamSchefterBucs TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins suffered strained shoulder expected to sideline him 4-6 weeks, per source. Doctor's 2nd opinion coming.

12:59 PM - 22 Sep 2015

If ASJ is out and Evans is still ailing, could be a rough week 3 on the road against the Texans.

 

[Capella]

Yea this is going to be a bad week. That Houston dline might actually kill him.

 

[dhockster]

Yea this is going to be a bad week. That Houston dline might actually kill him.

What are you talking about? Jamais said it was going to be fun playing against JJ Watt.

 

[addicted2ff]

Yea this is going to be a bad week. That Houston dline might actually kill him.

Yeah if he does good against Houston's D then I'll eat crow and adopt a Jameis avatar for a month or something.

 

[Grahamburn]

Yea this is going to be a bad week. That Houston dline might actually kill him.

Yeah if he does good against Houston's D then I'll eat crow and adopt a Jameis avatar for a month or something.

I wouldn't expect him to drop back much against them either. If they aren't willing to throw the ball more than 25 times against the Saints they definitely won't be against the Texans.

 

[Capella]

Yea this is going to be a bad week. That Houston dline might actually kill him.

What are you talking about? Jamais said it was going to be fun playing against JJ Watt.

He gone learn

 

[ryno1980]

Obviously they have Watt, but is the Texans defense looking good? Haven't had a chance to watch them.

 

[CalBear]

Obviously they have Watt, but is the Texans defense looking good? Haven't had a chance to watch them.

They'll look good in week 3.

 

[ryno1980]

Obviously they have Watt, but is the Texans defense looking good? Haven't had a chance to watch them.

They'll look good in week 3.

Ya ok, I'm not really interesting in discussing Winston if you've already made up your mind on him. The numbers show he's off to a decent start. And if Evans starts performing, which I think he will starting this week, Winston could have a few excellent games. I'm sure he's no Josh McCown. Anyway, Houston is no lock to cause him all kinds of problems. If you have some knowledge on them, please discuss. Have one league where I need a Bradford alternative and Winston might be a good solution for this week.

 

[Quez]

All Dirk Koetter has to do is watch what Carolina did against them. They used 7 man fronts since their O-line also blows. Their run D is bad, and the Bucs can run the ball. Houston's offense is playing atrocious, so the D might be in the field quite a bit.

Jameis just needs to play this one safe & not try to be a hero every time the play breaks down. That's great for a 1st down every once & a while, but it leads to turnovers & he is exposing himself to injury.

Whoever wins the turnover battle should win this.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Obviously they have Watt, but is the Texans defense looking good? Haven't had a chance to watch them.

They'll look good in week 3.

Ya ok, I'm not really interesting in discussing Winston if you've already made up your mind on him. The numbers show he's off to a decent start. And if Evans starts performing, which I think he will starting this week, Winston could have a few excellent games. I'm sure he's no Josh McCown. Anyway, Houston is no lock to cause him all kinds of problems. If you have some knowledge on them, please discuss. Have one league where I need a Bradford alternative and Winston might be a good solution for this week.

Starting Winston this week over Bradford in a lesser of two evils move. I don't love Winston this week but healthy Mike Evans (from Houston by the way if that's worth anything) gives Jameis a chance. I saw all of the Eagles/Cowboys game and watched all of Colts/Jets on MNF. I figure at least Jameis should play 4 quarters. With what Philly is doing on offense and NYJ is doing on defense, Bradford might die.

 

[Grahamburn]

They'll probably have a very similar game plan to the one they implemented against New Orleans.

 

[Capella]

Looks great today. Long pass called back by a nonsense penalty.

This team sucks though.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Must be doing well. LOD hasn't been in here with his play by play.

 

[gump]

Looks so much more comfortable in the pocket than preseason and 2 weeks ago...even than last week. Has also made some decent throws on the run to his left. Game slowing down for him big time.

 

[Capella]

6 drops today. I thought Evans and VJax were supposed to help him out.

 

[lod01]

Must be doing well. LOD hasn't been in here with his play by play.

Meh. Nothing even resembling the wow factor. Still a low end, clumsy, ham and egger that the Bucs are stuck with until Lovie gets fired.

Looks like they need to draft some WRs though.

 

[gump]

Must be doing well. LOD hasn't been in here with his play by play.

Meh. Nothing even resembling the wow factor. Still a low end, clumsy, ham and egger that the Bucs are stuck with until Lovie gets fired.

The clumsy factor is disappearing week by week, and seemed to almost be gone this week...it's been a quick increase of comfort at this level.

 

[Capella]

Must be doing well. LOD hasn't been in here with his play by play.

Meh. Nothing even resembling the wow factor. Still a low end, clumsy, ham and egger that the Bucs are stuck with until Lovie gets fired.Looks like they need to draft some WRs though.

 

[cstu]

6 drops today. I thought Evans and VJax were supposed to help him out.

I watched the entire game and what you call drops, I call poor ball placement. He was bailed out by receivers multiple times on bad throws. He's got a big arm but he's not very accurate. Still, I like the progress he's making game to game.

Like what I'm seeing in the post-game interviews - seems to be maturing and becoming more serious. Appears he's 'getting it' about how to behave in the NFL but really needs to improve on his accuracy if he's to rise above a Cutler-type level.

 

[Capella]

6 drops today. I thought Evans and VJax were supposed to help him out.

I watched the entire game and what you call drops, I call poor ball placement. He was bailed out by receivers multiple times on bad throws. He's got a big arm but he's not very accurate. Still, I like the progress he's making game to game.

Like what I'm seeing in the post-game interviews - seems to be maturing and becoming more serious. Appears he's 'getting it' about how to behave in the NFL but really needs to improve on his accuracy if he's to rise above a Cutler-type level.

He got a positive score from PFF despite less than a 50% completion percentage so I would say most of those balls were there. If they weren't they would have killed his score.

 

[Grahamburn]

6 drops today. I thought Evans and VJax were supposed to help him out.

I watched the entire game and what you call drops, I call poor ball placement. He was bailed out by receivers multiple times on bad throws. He's got a big arm but he's not very accurate. Still, I like the progress he's making game to game.

Like what I'm seeing in the post-game interviews - seems to be maturing and becoming more serious. Appears he's 'getting it' about how to behave in the NFL but really needs to improve on his accuracy if he's to rise above a Cutler-type level.

Accuracy was lacking yesterday. He had a few 3rd and 6 or 7 throws that should have been easy first downs that he missed on badly. He looks better every week though and made a few great throws. Easy deep ball.

Evans had at least 2 or 3 bad drops.

The protection was great yesterday, but they were keeping TE's and RB's in to help so Jameis didn't have too many options.

Cappy is right though. This team is picking in the top 5 again. They've faced three awful teams and they're 1-2.

 

[Quez]

He seems to be the most inaccurate on short routes to the right. Especially, when he has to lead the WR/TE. He has too much on it.

His deep ball is beautiful & pretty accurate.

 

[dhockster]

I thought he looked decent yesterday. He threw a few erratic balls, and the interception was a terrible decision, but he made some really nice throws downfield. Give Jonathan Joseph some credit, there were two or three balls that would have been long completions but he knocked the ball out of the receivers hands to make them incompletions. Joseph actually was credited with 5 passes defensed. I think the Texans corners (Joseph, Jackson, and Johnson) had their best game this year, and will end up being pretty good, so Jamais did a nice job against a pretty decent secondary.

 

[rustycolts]

Well thats a shame.I am going to keep my Alstott jersey but everything else Bucs goes in the trash. I grew up watching the Dolphins going back home.

Maybe not the best plan I could have come up with.

 

[cstu]

2nd snap of the game and he fumbles it. Pro ready, eh?